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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
 Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 01:07:47
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I was too young to know Kukoi in 1981. I was in kindergarteen by then. But he led to the awakeing of Gambians. The desire to live better serously started in 1981. People began asking questions and comparing themselves with other countries.
But it was the start of intolerance in the Gambia. So i heard that he used the name Dr. Manneh. The taxi Drivers were very unlucky that they could not form a government in 1981. That was the time when state house in banjul was a thorough fare for market women from marina parade through the gates.
F661 Simo talibo Sanneh
Apai sonko
F686 Jerry Kolley
an others. You are taking me down memory lane
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 09:34:17
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kondorong,
After reading your posting, I just busted into laughter because of some of the different points of view. You were not in Banjul at the time of these acts, but all those who were affected can fully remember. I never calimed that TERI KAFO were politicians. They were rutten and corrupt people. I tasted their medicine that is why I say so. I was put aside many a times because of my fathers political views. This I think still exist back in the Gambia. You mentioned the journalist Rice, but forgot to mention why he could not enter Gambia again. Why did the Gambian Embassey in London buy copies that they burnet? I suspect you have been working at the Embasey at the said time. Why and who started the PPP?
In regards to why PS Njie was at logga heads with the Crown I do not know. I remembered some of the meetings with some Senegalese politicians at our house in Banjul.It is very very, true that the PPP campange when they were formed was tribal with a lots of dirty language and fighting withn families.
I remembered all the insults until today. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 12:41:34
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Alhassan
Thanks
I know about 80% of the U.R.D supported UP and PS Njie.
It is interesting that you do not know why PS Njie “logga heads with the Crown”, even though you remember some of the meetings held in/at your house in Banjul, by UP at the time. Yet you remember the PPP “tribalism motivated” campaign and the dirty language.
Do you remember if the UP (PS Njie) had any tribal tendencies or had at any time during the very campaign you refer to appealed to tribal sentiments, by language or any other means?
Thanks for your time
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 14:40:21
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Janko,
Ofcause there was. AS you know , when you insult a Gambian's mother what does he /she do? This was the begginning of the dirty campange that exists in the Gambia now. Even Between the Muslim Congress and the UP, there were words or songs which were ment to ridickle eachother's candidate. I think it was only Rev. J:C:Fye and St.Clear Joof who were atleast modest in their personal critisims to individual politicians at that time.Remember, before the PPP elections were only restricted to Banjul and Kombo St.Mary why, I cannot explain maybe kondorong knows. There was a certain division between the different regions,why I cannot explain. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 18:40:26
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Alhassan
As to who started PPP, i have said it came into existence from an association called LILAHI WARASULI pioneered by Sanjally Bojang. Ask the Bidibunka old people in Banjul Tobacco Road what is BABA NATA evident of the harsh welcome they received while trying eek a living along the silk cotton trees on Wellington Street. Those silk cotton trees are no longer there.
I will tell you what that BABA NATA was and for what reason later if the situation requires it. I will speak at the right moment.
PS Njie had no logger head with the Crown. He acted in a manner unbecoming of the ethical principles of his profession according to what i read. It had to do with money. In fact, from what i have read, he should have gone to jail, but the British never wanted to put the country's first chief Minister in prison. A compromise had to be arrived given his popularity then and squash off his sentence in the interest of peace and stability. Let’s leave it at this point for now. Whilst the campaigns were going on, he was on trial and the verdict came just before he was to be sworn in as Chief Minister.
He did have tribal tendencies as evident in the quotes from Rice Berkley. Like i said before, more than half the members of parliament in 1965 have some criminal record of some sort ranging form corruption to jail time. That is reason why Gambia never enacted a bankruptcy legislation from 1965 up to now because it would have sent the majority of MPs packing effectively rendering the legislature grind to a halt. There were no other educated Gambians to replace them.
Rice Berkley's book was banned because of some of the comments in the book which did not help in reconciliation nor respected our will be a free people. The title alone is a source of anger. ".....An Improbable Nation"
He was right in my believe that we were an improbable nation. Even President Roosevelt complained to Churchill about the level of abject poverty he saw in the Gambia in 1945 when he stopped over on his way to Casablanca to attend the allied forces meeting and why he thought colonialism should stop. But Roosevelt also was standing on quick sand especially with civil rights issues in his country. It was like a pot calling a kettle black
In fact, the idea of free Gambia was more re-enforced by President Roosevelt at the Casablanca conference unbeknown to Gambians. Churchill responded not kindly in return. By 1965, going to Gambia was like going through prehistoric times where time stood still, and civilization was merely a shadowy dream.
I don’t know if was at the Embassy in London but I sure do know a bit of who we are as a people and how we evolved.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 19:54:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Alhassan
Janko,
Ofcause there was. AS you know , when you insult a Gambian's mother what does he /she do? This was the begginning of the dirty campange that exists in the Gambia now. Even Between the Muslim Congress and the UP, there were words or songs which were ment to ridickle eachother's candidate. I think it was only Rev. J:C:Fye and St.Clear Joof who were atleast modest in their personal critisims to individual politicians at that time.Remember, before the PPP elections were only restricted to Banjul and Kombo St.Mary why, I cannot explain maybe kondorong knows. There was a certain division between the different regions,why I cannot explain.
Elections were restricted in the protectorate because by law they were under indirect rule and not part of the colony. Eventually, the colony extended right through to the rest of the country. As protected people, the chiefs held a lot of adminstrative power. Thats why you did not have a chief in Banjul but Governor. Their power was promised by PS Njie and thats why most chiefs were in the UP whilst with a a Republican Government, PPP was to curtail their power. This loss of power is what led to a tug of war between sheriff and the chiefs.
This is why by 1825, Georgetown was a protected land and not a colony. These restrictions gave rise to the Protectorate People's Party to represent the interest of people of that area from Lamin Bridge to Koina. It was not a Mandinka Party. Simple. People need to research their history well. SANKOFA
Infact key positions were held indegenes of Fulladu. ( By Fukladu i mean from SOFA NYAMA Bridge to Basse Angal Fouta) |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2008 : 21:28:09
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thanks buba for opening an extra topic. editor sankareh buggling under pressure. he and his friend now wish to reply to me. he is going the personal route. whatever they bring i am ready.
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 08:53:58
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kondorong,
The PPP was a tribal party. The voting by tribal belonging was brought to the Gambia by them because of the manar they had their campange. They said the Mandinkas form the majority of the Gambia and all Mandinkas should vote for them. I remembered the Old chiefs were for UP because they did not want what happened later to the country to happen. The results we see today. Some of us here even accuse the present president for bieng tribal. He saw how his people were victimised and segrigated. Today many say the military is consisting of many Jolas and Mandiak. |
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buba
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Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 10:05:32
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Hi Alhassan,
One reason i entered into this debate is to contribute my little quota of what i believed will be a constructive discussion. What i am beginning to read, especially from you is deviating from that.
True colours are showing up! Perhaps we should re-write our political history so that part of which shall read: 'PPP started as a tribal party, lived as a tribal party and since multi party politics commenced, it was the only party anywhere in the world to consist of a single tribe'. I think this will satisfy some people.
But i have to remind you brother that the PPP that was deposed in July was very much a Rainbow party. Opinions will always be opinions, but they should not be superimposed on facts for that can only lead to the distortion of history and erosion of our cherished and eviable uniqueness throghout Africa...respect bro. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 18:29:11
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Buaba
I suspect the same trend and i will take my exit after this posting. PPP national president (kelepha samba) was not mandinka, the National Women Mobiliser, Aja Fatou sallah was no mandinka either. I list it on and on. Jawara married outside his tribe twice before marrying a mandinka from Dankunku.
Key civil service positions like Auditor General, Accountant General, Inspector General of Police, Secretary General were never held by a mandinka in the 30 years of PPP. I am not sure if Jarjussey was a Secretary General. I think he was a PS.
But if we are not debating this issue with common sense, then it defeats its purpose. However, i do know that common sense is not common after all.
I beg to take leave of this topic. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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buba
57 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 19:00:49
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Kondonrong,
You are right, and i equally think it is sensible to move on and forget about this topic. It takes two or more independent and impartial minds to discuss issues of such significance. But it becomes virtually useless to debate with someone with a closed mindset.
The more sense you try to pump into his head, the more arrogant he becomes; and when the going gets tough for him, sooner or later you will hear him say: 'it's my human right to talk, and say what i want'. Whenever you come across that, simply back-off for whatever comes next will only be nonsensical and probably insulting. I'm out, thanks bro.
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2008 : 21:33:16
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quote:
Originally posted by Alhassan
Janko,
Ofcause there was. AS you know , when you insult a Gambian's mother what does he /she do? This was the begginning of the dirty campange that exists in the Gambia now. Even Between the Muslim Congress and the UP, there were words or songs which were ment to ridickle eachother's candidate. I think it was only Rev. J:C:Fye and St.Clear Joof who were atleast modest in their personal critisims to individual politicians at that time.Remember, before the PPP elections were only restricted to Banjul and Kombo St.Mary why, I cannot explain maybe kondorong knows. There was a certain division between the different regions,why I cannot explain.
Political campaigns all over the world are rigid, tensed and dirty.
It is clear that the atmosphere/mode created by a “Political campaign” is different from the real mode of a country, before and after elections. However, to use political-campaign-mode(s), rigidity, as a yardstick to measure ethnic relations in a country is not to only agitate the forces of indifference but also a modification of reality (revisionism).
Let us be mindful of this behaviour of modifying reality to suit whatever self-esteem we may have or want to exhibit, because it creates ethnic-indifference where it does not exist. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2008 : 08:31:05
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quote:
Originally posted by kondorong
Buaba
I suspect the same trend and i will take my exit after this posting. PPP national president (kelepha samba) was not mandinka, the National Women Mobiliser, Aja Fatou sallah was no mandinka either. I list it on and on. Jawara married outside his tribe twice before marrying a mandinka from Dankunku.
Key civil service positions like Auditor General, Accountant General, Inspector General of Police, Secretary General were never held by a mandinka in the 30 years of PPP. I am not sure if Jarjussey was a Secretary General. I think he was a PS.
But if we are not debating this issue with common sense, then it defeats its purpose. However, i do know that common sense is not common after all.
I beg to take leave of this topic.
Kondorong,
Now I see that you came to know the PPP after some years in power. The people you mention here as propaganda sec. came a long time after all cross carpets. What I am talking about happened dueing the early years of the PPP. An exampel of this is the area in Banjul we call TATTAGI. There was a slogan in Banjul "TATTAGI TASNA" Can you remember this? Why did we say so? |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2008 : 18:20:42
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TATTAGI TASNA means the "fortress has collapsed" in wolof. TATA unfortunately is a mandinka word for fortress. Do you know the history of TATA, how its constructed etc.
I sure know those times. Well there cannot be any early years of PPP than LILAHI WARASULI which gave rise to the party. So i am not talking about recent things. can you read again. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2008 : 23:10:34
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Alhassan,
From what Kondorong stated earlier, it worked out that Jawara refrained from playing tribalism to an extent that all the key positions of government admin were dished on the plate of non-Mandingo persons. Going by that fact of matters, it appears very unfair to blame the PPP government for a crime they calculated not to commit. Because you seem to know much about this tribal game help us with facts and figures and not mere historical distortions. Where it turns out that your claims pass the test of factual scrutiny I will buy all your eggs in one basket and speed off before Kondorong wakes to trace my foot prints. For now yours seem to build on creative reconstruction of history that never was perhaps. Correct me if I am wrong. These texts are valuable historical expositions and all of us will be accountable for facts, figures, and errors where they become visible on our part. Your interest is both amazing and prone to curious scrutiny. |
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