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Formby
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 13:44:13
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| I know. Makes me laugh when people think they can counter racism with racism. Still, if they want to go on about the 'helpless black' and the 'evil white', let them. Just let them not expect to be agents of change. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 14:02:48
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Originally posted by moongarden
Hi Babylon,
do not forget that Sweden, like the UK, has a low rate of unemployment - please recognise this as an advantage for those who live there and be thankful that you are lucky to live in such a country.
Just had to say that itīs not true that Sweden has a low rate of unemployment.
But thatīs another (uninteresting) topic.
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twinkly
United Kingdom
190 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 14:18:35
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Originally posted by Babylon
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Originally posted by kassma
its easy to talk about dignity when you have a nice warm house and a fridge full of food.
Yes thatīs right, I do have a nice warm house and a fridge sometimes full of food... specially round x-mas.
And I worked my azz off to get it. And I donīt mean as a street hooker.
And millions if not billions of African work their backside off to try and bring a meal on the table each and every day.
Their backside works ten times harder than yours.And what do they reep at the end?
Please think Babylon.....
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 14:24:19
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Thatīs right, they do work hard. And most do not do it on their backside, but earn their living in a decent way. That is my whole point!
Or are you too saying that all poor people have no choise but prostitution?
I know many people in Africa who would never sink that low. |
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moongarden
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 14:32:44
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Hi Babylon, i cannot find any statistics for 2006 however i find that at any point in 2005 there was not more than 6 percent of the workforce unemployed.
for reference this is the website where i researched this: http://www.scb.se/templates/tableOrChart____23325.asp
anything less than 10 percent is classed as low from what i can remember. it means to me that if you have 10 adults in a family and one of them has no work then the others can easily support them and i believe the same applies to a country as a family.
to refer this back to the original topic - rates of employment show the number of people who have no job. those people still need money to live which in europe usually comes from the welfare state. therefore if the economy was growing and there were alternative jobs then these people who sell themselves would have some choice.
so perhaps the solution is many things:
education to stop the problems from increasing with HIV/AIDS
grow the economy to create more jobs (nobody said the solutions were easy!)
laws or fines to discourage this behaviour
how about sending any tourists who are doing this straight home on the next plane - but i am not sure how this could work
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moongarden
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 14:44:37
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Hi Babylon, no-one is saying all poor people have no choice but prostitution - this is not a sensible suggestion. of course your point that most people would not sink that low is correct, however some people clearly do allow themselves to do this. therefore this problem does exist.
to summarise this discussion so far:
1)i think we are all agreed that this problem does exist.
2)i also think that perhaps we are all agreed that the big difference in financial status between the tourists and the people who are selling themselves is the biggest reason for this.
does anyone disagree with either of these two points? |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
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moongarden
United Kingdom
38 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 14:47:45
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| Hi Babylon, my main aim in pointing out the unemployment rate in Sweden was to make clear the difference between Sweden and the Gambia. |
Edited by - moongarden on 21 Mar 2006 14:50:58 |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 14:55:22
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| OF COURSE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE! WHY DO YOU INVOLVE SWEDEN ANYWAY, THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN COMPARE SWEDEN WITH THE GAMBIA. |
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moongarden
United Kingdom
38 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 14:57:11
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:) i just read this article and it is possible- we all know that politicians lie.
as the saying goes "there are lies, damn lies and statistics" meaning that the numbers can always be manipulated in any direction you like.
another saying i know is "stand before a politician who does not lie and i will show you a fool (the person standing in front of the politicial)"
but surely you have to agree that the employment situation is better in Sweden than in the Gambia. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 15:03:35
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| Yapp, I know the employment situation is better here than in the Gambia. |
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moongarden
United Kingdom
38 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 15:04:32
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please do not shout.
i stated earlier that there is a direct and proven link between poverty and prostitution. for example you do not see many rich people choose to start being a prostitute.
i am sure you have many useful and positive thoughts to add to this discussion so please do not let us argue over such a side issue. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 15:17:57
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Iīm not shouting, just forgot to press down the caps lock...
No harm meant. |
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moongarden
United Kingdom
38 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 15:32:37
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no harm done then :)
a bit of healthy debate is a good thing sometimes to keep the mind active :) and to learn that there are other points of view than your own. |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 15:49:49
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From an economical view, it is nonsense to say that prostitution 'supply' generates demand. Prostitution can be compared with drug traffick, and like in this case, demand is generating supply.
After the German reunion, when unemployment began to rise, we had TV programs who openly and shamelessly advertised prostitution as a 'normal' profession. So, if this is possible in a rich, western country, who is there to blame Gambians who try to sell sex?
For Gambians it is harder every day to earn the living. At the same time they are fed with unrealistic lifestyle images in European, Nigerian, Asian, or US films (as we all are), where everybody seems to be rich and lives in abundance. But if you know that there are still people in Gambia who take a fiction movie as documentary (believe me, I met them!), you may know where this could lead to. Let us be true - most of us, Africans as well as Europeans, have this 'me too'-attitude...
When I visited Gambia recently, I saw that meanwhile the armada of female sex tourists is reinforced by lots of old white men. I saw almost lapsed 70-somethings with girls under 18; a sight that, sorry, can make you vomit.
To the ladies who complain that they are being harassed during their holidays: I NEVER found this outside the tourist areas, and even in these areas, I reduced it to a minimum by wearing Gambian clothes. They are more than nice, they are not expensive, and they are the best for the Gambian climate (after all, I even wear them in summer in Germany, and they look great on me). |
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