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Biraago
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 Posted - 18 Mar 2006 : 17:34:28
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Kondorong
You may be mistaken regarding Sheikh Ibra Fall.
The one who followed Ahmadou Bamba was a member of the royal family of Jolof.
He relinquished all his heretage to follow Bamba.
But there are other called Sheikh Ibra Fall even among the followers of Sheikh Ibrihima Niasse. One of the biggests intelectuals and foremost leutenats was also called Sheikh Ibra Fall.
Infact Sheikh Ahmadou Bamba's family is originally from Fuuta Jallon. They came to Fuuta Tooro along with the Deniyankes under the leadership of the brothers Koli Tengela nad Labba Tengela. His real surname is Bah. It is his uncle whose name is Mbacké.
You have lots of small details that many people don't see as being significant in history. They only see the leaders and not the people in general and how their enter-relationship plays a significant role in the sustainant of their leadership.
In order to democratise our countries, we need to re-examin how our people reason because most of them are still sintimental when it comes to family and community relations.
Keep the information coming.
By the way, is it Yonna near Bansang, where the Contas come from? |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 18:43:40
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Like i said before,the only thing consistent about oral history is its inconsistencies. Written records are rare and stories get corrupted.
This is why there is a saying that when an old man dies in Africa, it is like burning a library.
In 1991, when i was travelling to the provinces, there were two people arguing where Hamed Kebbeh was born. Naturally you cannot be born in two places. This is a recent history and he is still alive and oral history has made it very difficult to arrive at definite conclusions.
I hope the discussions will add to our knowledge and that we are open to other views. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
Edited by - kondorong on 10 Aug 2006 01:42:16 |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 23:48:56
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 23:58:51
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| Kebbeh was a prosperous business man who provided the cheapest means of travel in the gambia. Infact he had free buses to the provinces every week but it was never announced. i happen to be in one of those buses and i guess people were very excited about the favour. Oral history is a challenge. imagine what it would have beeen 150 years from now. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 25 Mar 2006 : 03:15:53
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Amadou Bamba,
He was indeed Fula and surname Bah.I have been to Touba many times to the grand Magal.According to what I heard from as many historical narrators saying how his Father seick Anta sally Bah once asked his wife Mam Jarra Bouso to help him hold a part of their fallen fence while He(Seick Anta Sally) was mending the fence after a rain storm.While the wife(Man jarra) was holding the fence the seick want to the house to either collect something or pick a log.He sat on his big swing and fell asleep.Mam Jarra thinking her husband was comming back kept hold of the fallen fence as she was told.Seick Anta Sally forgot all about her and she kept the fence till the next moorning.When her husband wake up for the early morning prayers and called his wife for water to perform the cleaning to prepare 4 prayers.The wife answered in the back yard.Then seick Anta Sally asked her what she was doing there?She replied thet he had asked her to keep hold of the fence until he comes back since the previous day.
Then Seick Anta Sally became so proud of the wife God had given him that he prayed for her to have a Child that will be respected loved and honoured as she has honoured him.The he said to her Mbake and called her that ever since.When Bamba was born,Mam Jarra kept calling him Ahmadou Bamba Mbake.(His name was Ahmadou Bah mbake)
thus some people latter called him Ba mba instead of Bah mbake.
Mankajang...used to be a great mourid.
Mankajang Janyanfara
According to narrators that name stucked |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 01:43:44
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| So what happened to bamba when he was taken by the French to Gabon i think? |
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Newfy
Western Samoa
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 01:53:26
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I think Sheikh Amadou Bamba was tried in Gabon and possibly died there.. its been awhile since I read his story.
Hey but I found this interesting website with glass paintings of Lampe Faal and Sheikh Amadou Bamba..
http://www.aodl.org/passport.php |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 09:13:48
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Originally posted by Newfy
I think Sheikh Amadou Bamba was tried in Gabon and possibly died there.. its been awhile since I read his story.
Hey but I found this interesting website with glass paintings of Lampe Faal and Sheikh Amadou Bamba..
http://www.aodl.org/passport.php
No No No. Newfty. he was tried and detained in Senegal. later he was deported to Gabon for about 8 yrs but later brought back to senegal. Infact during the first world War he help encourage people to to join the colonial army and fight for France!
he died in Senegal in 1927.
i think you have mistaken him for Almami Samori Touray who was also deported to Gabon where he died.
it was normal to exile/deport local resistance to colonial rule. in The Gambia Musa Molloh was deported to Sierra Leone in a similar fashion. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 14:24:38
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Originally posted by Janyanfara
Amadou Bamba,
He was indeed Fula and surname Bah.I have been to Touba many times to the grand Magal.According to what I heard from as many historical narrators saying how his Father seick Anta sally Bah once asked his wife Mam Jarra Bouso to help him hold a part of their fallen fence while He(Seick Anta Sally) was mending the fence after a rain storm.While the wife(Man jarra) was holding the fence the seick want to the house to either collect something or pick a log.He sat on his big swing and fell asleep.Mam Jarra thinking her husband was comming back kept hold of the fallen fence as she was told.Seick Anta Sally forgot all about her and she kept the fence till the next moorning.When her husband wake up for the early morning prayers and called his wife for water to perform the cleaning to prepare 4 prayers.The wife answered in the back yard.Then seick Anta Sally asked her what she was doing there?She replied thet he had asked her to keep hold of the fence until he comes back since the previous day.
Then Seick Anta Sally became so proud of the wife God had given him that he prayed for her to have a Child that will be respected loved and honoured as she has honoured him.The he said to her Mbake and called her that ever since.When Bamba was born,Mam Jarra kept calling him Ahmadou Bamba Mbake.(His name was Ahmadou Bah mbake)
thus some people latter called him Ba mba instead of Bah mbake.
Mankajang...used to be a great mourid.
Mankajang Janyanfara
According to narrators that name stucked
Brothers and sisters,
What is a mourid? Who is a Murid? I am a decendant of Samba Lawbeh Ndiayé who joined Bamba to the mountains in Gabon. I have also visited Gabon and some of the places said to have connections with him there. My grand father originally from the region of Djurbel where Bamba is from. Now my question is who is more important as we have red in the qu-ran Bamba or the profeth(saws).
People who belive in too much of their marabuts seens to forget that it is by the will nad wish of God. Not Bamba or any other marabou. I always tell the BYEFALL that they are not to be called muslims so long they do not pray. Most of the things concerned with such SIRK and BIDDAH are sins. Has God mentioned Bamba or any other marabout in the Qu-ran? the answer is no. This is where we should know that people with knoledge should not be measured with the powers of God.
Most of the guys who have their maarabouts at home spend a lot to comfort them instead of giving it to their parents. Most of the senior and junior civil servants for the past 100 years depend on marabouts for their success. This is a sad mistake ans SIRK.
Looking back to FAFA, he depended on manny, manny marabouts likewise his ministers and senior servants. Where are they all today?
Looking at the present situation, people are still sleeping and looking for marabouts to match God. This is a big sin as a muslim.
I belive in the peaceful and tolerant theories of BAMBA. The Nonviolence heresistance he put up with the French was excellent and proved that he was on the right path. I belive in the path he took ie the five daly prayers, and the seeking of knowledge in Islam. This is what we are surposed to do.Seek knowledge in Islam and follow the instructions as Bamba followed them so as to acheav what he did. Most of the foolish followers just shout for nothing. They are blind followers.Some are so ignorant that they say they do not need to pray, because they are BYE Faal. TRhe reason why BYFAAL was excused for prayers is becaues he was insane. Many SeneGambians do not seek knowledge in the sekt they belong. It ias better to work like Bamba instead of working for Bamba and forgetting your parents.
OPrayers from parents are more powerful than that of the marabout. The marabout himself depends on God. That is why iI do not belong to any sekt. I am a muslim, observe my five daly prayers , give alms and so on. All that is not in the Qu-ran or HADDITH is not to be observed. You have no sins if you do not do the WIRD of the TIJANEES.
We have been packed with much nonsense practise that we are confused.
Pray directly to God and he will answer your prayers. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 15:08:49
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Originally posted by Nyancho
But Makang,is Dawda, Jawaras given name at birth?Was Sheikou not the name he was christened with?Am just being curious:I understood that during the colonial era,only christians were allowed in certain schools and or the children/relatives(mostly male) of Chiefs,could that have also probably influence Jawaras decisions at the time to embrace christianity?
Brother,
My father went to school long before Jawara. I have not heard of any such thing as muslims not allowed in christian schools. During the colonial era you had to sit the Fathers Exam if you wanted to attend St. Augustines High School. Armitage High was firsT in the provences to admit the decendants of the kings and Chiefs. It was changed later so as to admit all. I have never heard of the story where muslim children could not attend christian schools. Remember most of our former leaders attended mission School including my father. What I heard of my mother and sisters is that people used to say girls should stay at home and help their mothers. That is why most of the older generation women did not go to school. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 19:01:33
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You are right Alhassan. Christian schools were open to all gambians. infact it was used to convert non christians and proof that Christians are kind. It is in recognition of the role of mission schools that Government enacted the UNIFIED TEACHING SERVICES ACT of 1970 to allow a lateral transfer of teachers from Mission to Government and also the reverse.
Services in either employments were pensionable and honored by the other party. As far as i know that law still stands but unfortunately it has not been enforced in so far as the requirements for appointments and promotions. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 04:30:14
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| IM LEARNING MANY STUFF FROM YOU GUYS KEEP IT UP. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 10:08:00
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The Golden Mosque in Touba is a beautiful and peaceful place to visit and now I've read the story of Amadou Bamba I appreciated my visit to it ten years ago even more.
Peace
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