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Santanfara
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 Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 11:07:03
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yesterday i was mixing with heavy music lovers from reggae to ndagah to kora ,men gambians can't do without their music.
i spend two hours there and the dj was a lady with a tambedou last name ,she was playing all sorts of music non stop until we prayed zuhr and then she starts again .
there where many people ,from different cities in england ,but one thing was very common is the easy ability for people to start dancing .from men to women .
is naming ceremony suppose to be a party or a day to thank the lord for blessing the parents ? i am not being moral lunatic here but a party can be held for any reason but on a naming ceremony is just an excuse to me. some people undertake this party to gain some present from friends and relatives but i hope people put things in context.party all one like but don't use your baby .
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Sibo
Denmark
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 13:08:29
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Santanfara
I agree with most of your postings but I have to disagree with this one to a point.
Offcourse the naming ceremony shoud be a day of praising the lord for blessing the parents. But I also think it is ok to throw a party, to celebrate your child and welcome your child. I donīt think people do it to get gifts, it is also a part og our gambian culture. People are simply celebrating their blessings, hats the way I see it, I might be wrong but thats my view on the issue |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 11:22:19
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thanks sibo for your view .there is what is call diversity of opinion. even in islamic jurisprudence some scholars accept certain types of music and merry making. i am mostly writing about over the top naming ceremonies where the woman will change dress five times and her freind may be two times etc etc. this i believe create false sense of status. one thing is hatred in islam ,that is to falsify ones status or to bourst .i see this type of things that way.i may be in error .you may be right sibo.accept my salam.in my naming ceremonies ,i do it early in morning and prepare so food for my close friends ,that it . no music or elaborated dress change .certainly no carama kunda or sanyang kunda people dancing . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 13:01:18
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Santanfara,
I agree with you on some points.What will you going to do with us your jalis when we come ? It is a tradition that we play our music. Even the process of the ceremony has a lot of African tradition. In Gambia we have water, salt,rice or millett together with Colanuts which is not an Islamic tradition. Or am I worong? |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 16:52:44
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thanks alhasan ,i always say that the jalis have a big role in our soceity and traditions. i am talking about people who over do things. the collar in water is not islamic you are right. i presided over a naming ceremone in england some time ago and i refuse to allow that to happen but the mother of the man who is wolof stood firm .she said we most have collar in water with meillet and salt. it is a strong tradition ,i don't know the basis of it any way.
do you know a man call bafoday dollar ? this man is apparently a moro living in u.s ,i watch a dvd of jaliba in a friends house who claim that man is a milionare dishing out dollars like a mad man .i said he is just after name ,solo darboe use to dish out real dollars not one dollars.but why should we be throwing money at jalis? .give to them in private or let them organise a show and people pay a ticket to get in .there is no reward in act one does for show off .it is a waste of resources and you make many people uncomfortable. women then make sure they do more at their own ceremonies ,so we cannot eradicate that kind of culture. if i am not well-off ,and i took my wife to a ceremony where the people involve do certain things ,my wife will authomatically want the same at her ceremone ,so poor me will have to lend to do what some one else did.living outside ones mean is a crime . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 03 Sep 2007 : 13:05:09
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Santanfara,
I agree with you sometimes it is done over the mark. I am also for a modrate one. I am against over doing things.
The rice or millet is ment to bring many children to the family, the water for peace and the salt is for the person to get salt as we say in wollof. AS we see even the humanbeing is made up of water, and salt is a neccessary commodity in our part of the world.Sometimes after the naming cerimony, the women folks sell the baby to the mother, but without payment.In my tradition from Cayor, we even do "BOKATAL". This is a typical tradition from the region of Cayor among the "DJORDJOR". During this cerimony, the mother of the child is dressed in some of her worst clothes because some of her unckles children pour souermilk on her. Why , I don't know maybe some body else who knows better can explain. There might be a better explanation. |
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twinkly
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Sep 2007 : 15:31:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Santanfara
.give to them in private or let them organise a show and people pay a ticket to get in .there is no reward in act one does for show off .it is a waste of resources and you make many people uncomfortable. women then make sure they do more at their own ceremonies ,so we cannot eradicate that kind of culture. if i am not well-off ,and i took my wife to a ceremony where the people involve do certain things ,my wife will authomatically want the same at her ceremone ,so poor me will have to lend to do what some one else did.living outside ones mean is a crime .
What a brilliant posting!!
Very true.
I have made the experience that because of this scenario, a husband and wife got in a huge disagreement because the husband could not afford a big ceremony, the wife insisted blah blah blah,
well, he ended up getting a second wife as punishment.
Not very clever, if he can't even afford a naming ceremony for his first wife's children.
Money is the root of all evil..........
Thank God I'm modest
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Santanfara
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Posted - 04 Sep 2007 : 08:42:36
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| alhasan and twinky ,thanks for the comments. we need more financial descipline to escape the cycle of demanding from others. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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