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kobo
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 00:22:57
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Originally posted by gambiabev
This topic isnt about sex, but about FGM. I think it is VERY important and Kobo telling me to do whatever doesnt alter that.
I am NOT asking for any DETAILS of anyones private sex life, just wanting to know if women who have experienced FGM can orgasm.
Perhaps there is a doctor online who can answser this if individual Gambian women dont want to write about their experience.
Kobo are you saying it doesnt matter? Or isnt important? Or just that you dont want it discussed?!
This topic is NOTHING to do with me and sex. I have not experienced FGM. I am complete.
I dont discuss my sex life with anyone in any detail. I discuss RELATIONSHIPS..but it is two different things. I am a very private person and what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom. Kobo you seem to have a strange impression of me.
All is SEX! You are going round and round when you started to reacitivate discussion on this topic as follows:
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Rather than discuss all the disadvantages of FGM from a western womens point of view, I would rather ask:
WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES TO THE WOMEN OF BEING CURCUMCISED?
AFTER CURCUMSICSION ARE YOU ABLE TO ENJOY SEX?
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Surely it is an important factor to know if a woman can still enjoy sex?
If you had a daughter and were considering this would you still do it if the answer from older women was that they couldnt enjoy sex?
3) Extracts above; quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
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I am NOT asking for any DETAILS of anyones private sex life, just wanting to know if women who have experienced FGM can orgasm.
Perhaps there is a doctor online who can answser this if individual Gambian women dont want to write about their experience.
Kobo are you saying it doesnt matter? Or isnt important? Or just that you dont want it discussed?!
I am a very private person and what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom. .............
Don't intrude into PRIVACY OF OTHERS as you said "what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom.... Am saying it doesn't matter, its too remote & very private questions or experiences that cannot be discussed openly (i.e SEX) under this forum for ethical reasons or against the norms of Gambian community. |
Edited by - kobo on 02 Nov 2007 00:36:20 |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 01:08:49
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So you are saying it cant be discussed openly on this forum or in Gambian society.
That is fine and I accept that. But then equally that means NO MAN can speak for Gambian women and say FGM is NO BIG DEAL and doesnt affect their pleasure in sex. Because if it isnot talked about how can he possibly know?!!!   |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 01:49:38
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Originally posted by gambiabev
So you are saying it cant be discussed openly on this forum or in Gambian society.
That is fine and I accept that. But then equally that means NO MAN can speak for Gambian women and say FGM is NO BIG DEAL and doesnt affect their pleasure in sex. Because if it isnot talked about how can he possibly know?!!!
"...pleasure in sex" and you said as quoted; ""what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom...! and still not discussing SEX as quoted; ("This topic isnt about sex, but about FGM."
Goodnight and enjoy yourself Bev!  |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 11:23:12
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FGM or female circumcision, however you call it, is in the main cutting of the clitoris and in some severe cases removing parts of the labia minora. The purpose apparently is to tame the sexual urges of the woman. This is what makes FGM a ridiculous practice in modern society.
The clitoris is the main organ of female sexual excitement, so it is reasonable to understand that its removal naturally will damage the possibility of sexual excitement (orgasm) in the woman. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 13:45:12
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| If you dont understand a subject it is better you leave it to those who understand it. So much for the saying...if you listen, you will learn! |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 17:05:17
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| mansasulu, what do you mean? kayjatta's statement is absolutely correct. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 17:44:40
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| There is nothing complicated in what I wrote. It is plain and simple english. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 17:50:43
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| You know what I mean. I think you are not the one to question the competence of kayjatta's statement. Sorry, not you. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 18:05:20
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| When did you becomes someone else's mouth piece? I guess I did not receive the memo... |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 22:37:42
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| THEN SEEK IT YOU WILL FIND IT |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 03 Nov 2007 : 04:05:26
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| where...? did you send one? |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2007 : 12:32:25
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If a man was castrated would he experience ejaculation? I think the answer to this question is the same as the one for FGM don't you?
Also I am waiting for Imam Fatty to produce a surah in the Q'uran that advocates FGM.
Peace
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Peace
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2007 : 20:45:48
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| Sister Omega, although I concur with you, your analogy is severely wrong. I will explain this when I come back later this evening, for now I have to take my daughter out. See you all. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 05 Nov 2007 : 07:45:18
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
If a man was castrated would he experience ejaculation? I think the answer to this question is the same as the one for FGM don't you?
Also I am waiting for Imam Fatty to produce a surah in the Q'uran that advocates FGM.
Peace
Sister Omega
No, a castrated man would not experience ejaculation. Therefore, you are right in that aspect. You are also right to mention that a "genitally mutilated" (FGM) woman may not experience orgasm.
The problem I have with your analogy has to do with the comparison of castration and FGM itself.
I generally agree with you, but I have some concerns I have to raise. Hence my use of the word 'concur'. It means (atleast in a legal sense) that I agree with you but for different reasons:
Castration arguably has a far reaching physiological consequence on the body than FGM although FGM can be quite devastating and often unnecessary.
1. Castration makes the male completely infertle while FGM does not make the female infertle.
2. castration induces the loss of masculinity (deep voice, aggressiveness,muscularity, genital size, etc) while FGM does not induce the loss of feminity.This is because the testicles in males does not only produce spermatozoa but also the male hormone testosterone.
3. Castration also induces symptoms similar to those in menopausal women, such as hot flashes, loss of bone density (osteoporosis),weight gain, and sometimes depression.
4. The organ that is removed in FGM (clitoris)is not the equivalent of the male testicles. The male equivalent of the clitoris is the penis itself.
Therefore, by direct analogy, one might consider the actual cutting of parts of the penis as the comparison to what happens in FGM. This sounds brutal looking at it this way, but that is what happens to our womenfolk.
Therefore, Sister Omega, I concur with you. Thank you , and enjoy the Smiling Coast. |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 05 Nov 2007 : 14:25:36
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4. The organ that is removed in FGM (clitoris)is not the equivalent of the male testicles. The male equivalent of the clitoris is the penis itself.
Therefore, by direct analogy, one might consider the actual cutting of parts of the penis as the comparison to what happens in FGM. This sounds brutal looking at it this way, but that is what happens to our womenfolk.
I think you have done a brilliant job in removing the confusion surrounding Sis. Omega's understanding of female circumcision. However, what you failed to show is how comes male circumcision is not mutilation in itself since you stated that The male equivalent of the clitoris is the penis itself. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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