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mansasulu
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 Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 17:16:30
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I saw this on the DO and couldn't resist putting it on here.
Written by Sanna Jawara
Alhaji Abdoulie Fatty, the Imam of State House Mosque has rebuted claims published on 1st June edition of the Daily observer, entitled “Female Genital Cutting Unislamic” as utter rubbish.
In an interview with the Daily Observer, Imam Fatty said “as far as Islam is concerned “we do observe circumcision not mutilation”.
He then noted that the tradition has been in existence hundreds of years ago, well before the advent of the modern civilisation.
According to him, “in the Muslim ummah nobody can tell us what is good or not good for our tradition. Before anyone tells us about our tradition, you must convince us that you have a degree or degrees in Islamic studies”
He did not hesitate to describe the publication as a big insult to the Muslim ummah and then urged the perpetrators to desist from such in the interest of religious tolerance and world peace.
According to Imam Fatty, a person who has never experienced Muslim circumcision cannot say anything genuine about it. “If the individual has undergone through the process, and as a result, contracted HIV/AIDS, and died at delivery process or the child died, this can then serve as an evidence of the dangers associated with the practice,” he added.
Imam Fatty further stated that as far as Islam is concerned, Prophet Muhammad (PBU), and his disciples, Islamic Schools of thoughts and Haddish, have all spoken well of the circumcision. He then quoted verse 36, which states that ‘Those who disbelieve and spend their wealth to hinder ‘men’ from the part of Allah, so will they continue to spend it. But in the end it will become an anguish for them. They will be overcome and those who disbelieve will be gathered unto hell”.
The Imam made several quotations from Dr Jack Faal, a renown Gynaecologist, who conducted extensive research on female circumcision, saying “despite all that has been said about it, the surgery in Female Circumcision is simple. What happens is a cutting of the skin, a piece of skin, no bone is involved in it. It amazed people who say you bleed to death in circumcision”.
The State House Imam urged religious leaders to desist from being used by other people for their selfish interest.
He clearly stated that, “there is nothing horrible and sympathetic than those who drills their nose, lips, breast tips, eyes brows, biblical cords, etc, and put in irons there, all in the name so-called fashion” .
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 06 Jun 2007 17:20:37 |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 18:17:56
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I presume Iman Fatty has never experienced fgm, being a bloke!  SO perhaps he isnt qualified to speak about it either?!
JUST because something is a tradition it doesnt mean it is a good thing! In UK we used to hang people and put their heads on poles. Now that is considered barbaric, then it was 'tradition.' |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 18:52:52
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| Mansasula, sorry for asking - but what is a 'biblical cord'? Must admit that i cannot understand people who are mutulating themselves for reasons of 'fashion' either (although i had my earlobes pierced at the age of 18). We talked about FGM at great length already. It is still not clear to me if the practice is prohibited by Gambian law. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 19:15:00
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Originally posted by anna
Mansasula, sorry for asking - but what is a 'biblical cord'? Must admit that i cannot understand people who are mutulating themselves for reasons of 'fashion' either (although i had my earlobes pierced at the age of 18). We talked about FGM at great length already. It is still not clear to me if the practice is prohibited by Gambian law.
There is no Gambian law that forbids the practice. |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 19:16:29
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Originally posted by anna
Mansasula, sorry for asking - but what is a 'biblical cord'? Must admit that i cannot understand people who are mutulating themselves for reasons of 'fashion' either (although i had my earlobes pierced at the age of 18). We talked about FGM at great length already. It is still not clear to me if the practice is prohibited by Gambian law.
I think the writer is trying to say "navel or belly button piercing." Female circumcision is not outlawed by Gambian law. However, I do not know if genital mutilation is outlawed in Gambia. You see, there are people who confuse the two as meaning the same when they are in fact different. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 19:29:17
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Originally posted by mansasulu
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Originally posted by anna
Mansasula, sorry for asking - but what is a 'biblical cord'? Must admit that i cannot understand people who are mutulating themselves for reasons of 'fashion' either (although i had my earlobes pierced at the age of 18). We talked about FGM at great length already. It is still not clear to me if the practice is prohibited by Gambian law.
Female circumcision is not outlawed by Gambian law. However, I do not know if genital mutilation is outlawed in Gambia.
You are speaking in riddles |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 20:04:52
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| You wann tell me that circumcision and mutilation are the same? |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 20:20:25
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| Mansasula, i know you are asking Kondonrong. Don't know what his answer will be, but to me: yes, they are the same. I don't know if you quoted the Imam literally, but is he calls the umbilical cord 'biblical cord', i'm getting suspicious. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 21:56:31
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| Anna, the imam does not do his sermons in English. The reporter wrote the wrong thing. The Imam was referring to naval piercing. I wonder how one can pierce the "umbilical cord"? Anna, if circumcision and mutilation are the same, why not apply the same standards to male circumcision and seek to outlaw it as well? |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 22:42:56
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Because men do no have to deliver babies, because circumcised males enjoy sex in the same way as uncircumcised men do (or even better) and because it is functional in the way that it is more hygienic and safer when it comes to transmitting sexual diseases.
Don't forget: the main reason to circumcise women is to deny them the pleasure of sexuality. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 22:47:32
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| Exactly ANNA! |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 07 Jun 2007 : 12:03:32
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Originally posted by kondorong
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Originally posted by mansasulu
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Originally posted by anna
Mansasula, sorry for asking - but what is a 'biblical cord'? Must admit that i cannot understand people who are mutulating themselves for reasons of 'fashion' either (although i had my earlobes pierced at the age of 18). We talked about FGM at great length already. It is still not clear to me if the practice is prohibited by Gambian law.
Female circumcision is not outlawed by Gambian law. However, I do not know if genital mutilation is outlawed in Gambia.
You are speaking in riddles
Kondorong,
Not long ago it was published in the observer. You can search in their old postings. Otherwise this is not the first time this silly Iman Fatty goes out in the manar. FMG is not Islamic and it is a viaolation of the womens rights period. God will not punish thoes who refuse to pratice it. This is my belife. Those who belive otherwise can stick to theirs and I stick to mine. No body knows who is a good muslim expect God. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Jun 2007 : 14:32:16
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Originally posted by anna
Because men do no have to deliver babies, because circumcised males enjoy sex in the same way as uncircumcised men do (or even better) and because it is functional in the way that it is more hygienic and safer when it comes to transmitting sexual diseases.
Don't forget: the main reason to circumcise women is to deny them the pleasure of sexuality.
To further qualify on "deny them pleasure of sexuality"??. I think its a traditional deterrent for women to have the will power on abstenance and wait until marriage to fully enjoy sex. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Jun 2007 : 14:38:48
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Originally posted by gambiabev
I presume Iman Fatty has never experienced fgm, being a bloke! SO perhaps he isnt qualified to speak about it either?!
JUST because something is a tradition it doesnt mean it is a good thing! In UK we used to hang people and put their heads on poles. Now that is considered barbaric, then it was 'tradition.'
Here Bev! your approach of mockery and caricature is not helpful to address issues. The critical issue is about "Mutilation" which appears to be harmful as the word sounds. But in practice the operation is a neat cut of a piece of the skin or a small flesh from a very remote area, which is not harmful when its efficient and properly cut . The Imam is questioning any medical proof as its already researched by a Doctor (Jack Faal) that he mentioned under the report.
The religious reasons are beyond my knowledge but primarily could have the effect of disciplining women to wait for sex until mariage. |
Edited by - kobo on 07 Jun 2007 14:41:34 |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2007 : 14:54:20
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| DISCIPLINING women? DETERRENT? |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Jun 2007 : 15:13:47
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I am speechless!!!!!    |
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