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Santanfara
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 Posted - 23 Mar 2007 : 20:37:59
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the poetry of Jalang Demba and Butay boye .some one told me this two traditional mandinka musicians that use words to entartain are poets not musicains.
i follow a link fowarded to me by the said person to listin to there words but its sounds like music. they use a lot of proverbs but it accompany with drums.
kondo can you shed some light here .i never listin to them when they were alive so i don't know them. the guy insisted they are poets.
you can listins to them on www.onegambia.com . i heard that butay boy was beaten by aprc thugs during the 1996 election at dention bridge because he was accompanying a udp convoy.he died from the wounds sustained.
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Mar 2007 : 21:01:28
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| Santa, To begin with who is a poet in our local languages? This question may open the way to finding an answer to your question. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 23 Mar 2007 : 22:44:47
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| I will answer your question next week. For now i am really tied up. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Mar 2007 : 01:26:17
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Konds tied up wit wat? NAA DURANNGO AT yero Bawol |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 24 Mar 2007 : 10:36:43
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Originally posted by MADIBA
Santa, To begin with who is a poet in our local languages? This question may open the way to finding an answer to your question.
madiba , you are right. may be dalton can chep-in here . i believe that poetry is a talent of using words to make emotion. it goes in a different style to music. like mutabaruka use to do. the speech is in style and manner.i use to like mutabaruka. there a lot of muslim poets are listin to .singing is different. like among the sarahules ,a konting musicians is like a poet. he use words not songs to talk about the past. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Dalton1
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Posted - 24 Mar 2007 : 14:52:39
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Uncle Santa;
have you heard of the 'trinity' in christianity?-the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. It's not three gods, but One God.
separating poetry from singing is like saying whether the meat is the food or the bones are the food. It's all food, and you know bone marrow taste good, so is poetry. Poetry has to do with eloquence expression of lyrics, possibly to do with style. Singing also the same. More to do with imagination.Poetry is singing, and songs are poems.
In verses from the scriptures we don't use the word poetry. Of course the words of Almighty are always true, and unchallenged.So when people recite/read the Quran, we don't say they are 'singing'.
I am sure you can tell us more about that.
Have a good saturday.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Santanfara
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Posted - 25 Mar 2007 : 15:28:41
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mowdo yero , i still thinks that poetry is different from singing.
there are singers and poets and this two have differnt styles.peotry is imigination whilst music in singing form is not usually compose by the singer but some body else .secondly singers most do certain mannerism that poets don't necessaryly do .the clothing ,movements etc are associated with music not poetry. a good poet that i once listin to is a man call harold pinter .he is protest poet. this are serious words .no drums ,giter,or any thing just words ,but powerful words. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Dalton1
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Posted - 25 Mar 2007 : 18:11:20
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Uncle santa;
u won. at least a poet is not a singer sometimes, larger percentage, but true he writes the songs. then the singer lubricates his/her throat to sing the song.
thks for expanding the debate.
y |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Mar 2007 : 01:24:37
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Santa, I tend to concur. I think they are different. In wolof atleast it is distinguished, Singing is WOOYY and Poetry is TAALIFF.
Singer = WOYYKAT and Poet = TAALIFFKAT,
Don't ask me the Pularr equivalent |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 26 Mar 2007 : 07:02:22
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YES MADI YOU GOT IT SPOT ON . i would like to know the fula equivalent though. i am familiar with poets in sarahule communittee ,they usually comes from bundu or mali. some of them even practice certain magical tricks .they talk in a slow tone .this poets make many rich sarahules express their wealth in many ways ,just like jaliba does to some gambians .you are this and that ,wow comes the money dripping .
i am sure camaraconta will not drip dalasis for jaliba |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kondorong
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Posted - 26 Mar 2007 : 17:42:50
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Originally posted by SANTANFARA
YES MADI YOU GOT IT SPOT ON . i would like to know the fula equivalent though. i am familiar with poets in sarahule communittee ,they usually comes from bundu or mali. some of them even practice certain magical tricks .they talk in a slow tone .this poets make many rich sarahules express their wealth in many ways ,just like jaliba does to some gambians .you are this and that ,wow comes the money dripping .
i am sure camaraconta will not drip dalasis for jaliba
Camaraconta
Conta is the same as Camara. The story goes that there were Camara families travelling and hiding from enemies. When the last family managed to arrive they were asked how they managed it on the way. He replied: NGA KONTAMA( That is we walked like the monkesy do(direct translation). In more propere translation, it means they were very careful and suspicious like monkeys do when they are on the ground. Very sensitive.
Dalton
Poetry and singing are very fluid and difficult to draw lines between them. Poets generally seek the soul of the audience whilst singers generally seek the mind of their audience. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 26 Mar 2007 : 19:22:39
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kondo , i knew you will differenciate the two. yero seems to have modul the two may be he trying to pull my legs.
the story of the camaras is interesting though. i hope momodou send some present for the alkaliba |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Dalton1
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Posted - 27 Mar 2007 : 03:31:28
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Kons. & Uncle Santa,
i long since agreed. i checked the lexicon, no big of a difference. My uncle Santa. must have calculated the difference before posing the question, so ??
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Mar 2007 : 22:30:42
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Poetry is a kin to music, many verses are derrive from music. Many poems can be made into songs. I agree that not all Poets can sing. But most poems have rhythmns underpinning them. As a poet I hear a melody and then the words follow with the tune of a melody. A Musician can interprete the melody and builds upon it with instruments. To say music is a haram clearly goes against nature for in nature we hear the rhythms of the breeze, the crashing or the waves, singing of birds, rain drops on our roofs, the howling of the wind. The call to prayer to the mosque resonnants in a melody, the church choirs, drumbeats mimic the first music we all hear that is the sound of our mother's heart beat. The greatest musician is our Creator who created nature and many of us choose to sing praises unto him.
Peace
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 27 Mar 2007 22:31:55 |
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