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Karamba
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 22:43:58
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When living beings die they are laid to rest. When ideas are dead they need being laid to rest. All seasoned Gambians have come to terms that recent HIV /AIDS cure claims by Mr President Jammeh remain nothing but a dead score on dead brains. Only those with dead cells are prepared to take this claim serious. Rest of civilised humanity take it as either a joke or a branded fake. Jammeh wanted attention and he got the wrong one this time round. Because he is never confident about his claims (wrong to be called CURE)he refused flatly his would not be tested in one million years. Let the world now accept this as a dead claim and allow it to lay rest now and forever. Jammeh himself needs a rest. This is not a nice way of dealing with civilised humans in 21st Century information age. Gambians deserve a better person as leader.
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Dalton1
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Posted - 03 Mar 2007 : 01:07:08
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Originally posted by Karamba
When living beings die they are laid to rest. When ideas are dead they need being laid to rest. All seasoned Gambians have come to terms that recent HIV /AIDS cure claims by Mr President Jammeh remain nothing but a dead score on dead brains. Only those with dead cells are prepared to take this claim serious. Rest of civilised humanity take it as either a joke or a branded fake. Jammeh wanted attention and he got the wrong one this time round. Because he is never confident about his claims (wrong to be called CURE)he refused flatly his would not be tested in one million years. Let the world now accept this as a dead claim and allow it to lay rest now and forever. Jammeh himself needs a rest. This is not a nice way of dealing with civilised humans in 21st Century information age. Gambians deserve a better person as leader.
Karamba, welcome back after the short break.
Personally, i think he succeeded in falling himself in a ditch. Frankly speaking, the outside world long since finalized that the guy is mentally inbalance. An article i recently read on Minnesota(USA) startribune described him as "weird". He is at el-d'goreh (dor of no return) now. Well, he cures his patients on two days, and he takes five days to cure himself. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
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Posted - 03 Mar 2007 : 01:07:08
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Originally posted by Karamba
When living beings die they are laid to rest. When ideas are dead they need being laid to rest. All seasoned Gambians have come to terms that recent HIV /AIDS cure claims by Mr President Jammeh remain nothing but a dead score on dead brains. Only those with dead cells are prepared to take this claim serious. Rest of civilised humanity take it as either a joke or a branded fake. Jammeh wanted attention and he got the wrong one this time round. Because he is never confident about his claims (wrong to be called CURE)he refused flatly his would not be tested in one million years. Let the world now accept this as a dead claim and allow it to lay rest now and forever. Jammeh himself needs a rest. This is not a nice way of dealing with civilised humans in 21st Century information age. Gambians deserve a better person as leader.
Karamba, welcome back after the short break.
Personally, i think he succeeded in falling himself in a ditch. Frankly speaking, the outside world long since finalized that the guy is mentally inbalance. An article i recently read on Minnesota(USA) startribune described him as "weird". He is at el-d'goreh (dor of no return) now. Well, he cures his patients on two days, and he takes five days to cure himself. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2007 : 15:02:50
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Thank you Dalton,
Everything written or said about Jammeh's infirmity in this forum and through other outlets was ever seen as words of OPPOSITION. Quite the contrary, serious and concerned Gambians have nothing against Kanilai man-mountain Mr Jemus Jammeh. It is when he began robbing us that he becomes a point of focus. Jammeh is being sheltered by very insincere bunch of persons. They are funny enough to call every genuine view in defiance of Jammeh's flaws as POLITICS. This is our collective livelihood. Their narrow perception and biased opinion of how we prefer our dear country being run cannot deter us.
Often, some Gambians hang on the notion that it takes other powers to undo Jammeh and his brand of sickening rule. There is growing confidence in genuine Gambians that this misrule has only a limit. This site and other information outlets are making significant advances towards mass awareness. You lot are doing quite well and therefore deserve honour and appreciation.
On the issue of Jammeh, let us pick on issues to keep us busier. We are being offended by Jammeh in multiple ways. He is stealing, cheating, killing, and messing around our people and resources. Jammeh likes to divert our attention by breaking in with one episode and then another. By the time we realise it, weeks, months, and years are gone. For now, every seasoned Gambian needs discovering that truth. There on, people decide what to think and do and not letting Jammeh or his likes divert us from our common good road.
It appears like more energy is consumed in people reacting to situations than taking on situations with proactive stance. We can make big difference when we decide by stopping our deceivers play on us. Keep it going. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2007 : 15:02:50
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Thank you Dalton,
Everything written or said about Jammeh's infirmity in this forum and through other outlets was ever seen as words of OPPOSITION. Quite the contrary, serious and concerned Gambians have nothing against Kanilai man-mountain Mr Jemus Jammeh. It is when he began robbing us that he becomes a point of focus. Jammeh is being sheltered by very insincere bunch of persons. They are funny enough to call every genuine view in defiance of Jammeh's flaws as POLITICS. This is our collective livelihood. Their narrow perception and biased opinion of how we prefer our dear country being run cannot deter us.
Often, some Gambians hang on the notion that it takes other powers to undo Jammeh and his brand of sickening rule. There is growing confidence in genuine Gambians that this misrule has only a limit. This site and other information outlets are making significant advances towards mass awareness. You lot are doing quite well and therefore deserve honour and appreciation.
On the issue of Jammeh, let us pick on issues to keep us busier. We are being offended by Jammeh in multiple ways. He is stealing, cheating, killing, and messing around our people and resources. Jammeh likes to divert our attention by breaking in with one episode and then another. By the time we realise it, weeks, months, and years are gone. For now, every seasoned Gambian needs discovering that truth. There on, people decide what to think and do and not letting Jammeh or his likes divert us from our common good road.
It appears like more energy is consumed in people reacting to situations than taking on situations with proactive stance. We can make big difference when we decide by stopping our deceivers play on us. Keep it going. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 03 Mar 2007 : 21:52:52
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Karamba,
You have been mulling over the cure and nursing your grudge(s). It’s great to have you back with the diversity that you usually stimulate. I am also much encouraged by Janyanfara’s strong resistance to the colonial mentality, his understanding and his sympathy for his leader.
If it turns out that he has the cure, won’t all his most vociferous critics be ashamed of themselves?
As Jerry Seinfeld observes, “It’s amazing that the amount of news that happens in the world everyday always just exactly fits the newspaper.”
You observe that “It appears like more energy is consumed in people reacting to situations than taking on situations with proactive stance. We can make big difference when we decide by stopping our deceivers play on us”
So for how long will the AIDS CURE take centre-stage in Gambian politics, when there are equally more pressing national issues?
I can imagine Ahmad Kabbah being blessed with a similar cure, during his last days as president and opening the Kabbah clinic for Asthma and HIV AIDS. It’s possible that would get him a few grateful votes for his SLPP.
You may agree or disagree that we have the leaders that we deserve. If you need or deserve a healer and you’re lucky, you get one, even if you did not vote for one who can cure all your ills.
If a medical licence is required for anyone to practice medicine in the Gambia, then, why is your president an exception?
If the president can cure asthma and aids, then should he not be given a licence? (By whom?)
The Iranian claim, that they have found a herbal remedy has neither been verified by non-Iranian tests, nor disproved by anyone. Yet there is much less of a hue and cry about what remains a claim.
This claim is receiving less media space and the Iranian nation is not being traumatised by this promising piece of news.
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu_Ho2ulFKm8BoDdXNyoA?p=Iran+has+found+herbal+cure+for+HIV-AIDS&ei=UTF-8&x=wrt
On quite another hopeful note on where some more progress can be worked for (and expected) is the CRICKET field.
If Gambians put as much effort in cricket as they do in football, then the Gambia should be making international appearances and taking on Australia, India, Pakistan, and even Taiwan and who knows, the Taiwanese may even get a Gambian coach….)
More power to the people, in everything.
PS. Karamba, political theatre that defies/bypasses/ surprises censorship is also a weapon (ask Soyinka).
I saw "The Island" at Kulturhuset in Stockholm a few years ago. Per Wästberg was there of course, who else? So was Lamin Dieng. I introduced him to John Kani.
The general awareness that would be more desirable could include this kind of effort, not just the braying in newspaper articles, considering that the majority of Gambians don't attend our Bantaba.
Ngugi Wa Thiongo is closest to the idea of indigenous theatre by which to take politics to the masses, in their own tongues,in langauge they can understand. Even some of the dialogues that have taken place here ( want to rumble etc ) are encouraging, since theatre action is very poor, when entirely devoid of " conflict"- you could avoid the use of "crap" as self-denigration, even as a form of modesty ( smile)
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/c432ab36-b2e2-11db-99ca-0000779e2340.html |
Edited by - Cornelius on 03 Mar 2007 23:36:40 |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2007 : 21:52:52
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Karamba,
You have been mulling over the cure and nursing your grudge(s). It’s great to have you back with the diversity that you usually stimulate. I am also much encouraged by Janyanfara’s strong resistance to the colonial mentality, his understanding and his sympathy for his leader.
If it turns out that he has the cure, won’t all his most vociferous critics be ashamed of themselves?
As Jerry Seinfeld observes, “It’s amazing that the amount of news that happens in the world everyday always just exactly fits the newspaper.”
You observe that “It appears like more energy is consumed in people reacting to situations than taking on situations with proactive stance. We can make big difference when we decide by stopping our deceivers play on us”
So for how long will the AIDS CURE take centre-stage in Gambian politics, when there are equally more pressing national issues?
I can imagine Ahmad Kabbah being blessed with a similar cure, during his last days as president and opening the Kabbah clinic for Asthma and HIV AIDS. It’s possible that would get him a few grateful votes for his SLPP.
You may agree or disagree that we have the leaders that we deserve. If you need or deserve a healer and you’re lucky, you get one, even if you did not vote for one who can cure all your ills.
If a medical licence is required for anyone to practice medicine in the Gambia, then, why is your president an exception?
If the president can cure asthma and aids, then should he not be given a licence? (By whom?)
The Iranian claim, that they have found a herbal remedy has neither been verified by non-Iranian tests, nor disproved by anyone. Yet there is much less of a hue and cry about what remains a claim.
This claim is receiving less media space and the Iranian nation is not being traumatised by this promising piece of news.
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu_Ho2ulFKm8BoDdXNyoA?p=Iran+has+found+herbal+cure+for+HIV-AIDS&ei=UTF-8&x=wrt
On quite another hopeful note on where some more progress can be worked for (and expected) is the CRICKET field.
If Gambians put as much effort in cricket as they do in football, then the Gambia should be making international appearances and taking on Australia, India, Pakistan, and even Taiwan and who knows, the Taiwanese may even get a Gambian coach….)
More power to the people, in everything.
PS. Karamba, political theatre that defies/bypasses/ surprises censorship is also a weapon (ask Soyinka).
I saw "The Island" at Kulturhuset in Stockholm a few years ago. Per Wästberg was there of course, who else? So was Lamin Dieng. I introduced him to John Kani.
The general awareness that would be more desirable could include this kind of effort, not just the braying in newspaper articles, considering that the majority of Gambians don't attend our Bantaba.
Ngugi Wa Thiongo is closest to the idea of indigenous theatre by which to take politics to the masses, in their own tongues,in langauge they can understand. Even some of the dialogues that have taken place here ( want to rumble etc ) are encouraging, since theatre action is very poor, when entirely devoid of " conflict"- you could avoid the use of "crap" as self-denigration, even as a form of modesty ( smile)
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/c432ab36-b2e2-11db-99ca-0000779e2340.html |
Edited by - Cornelius on 03 Mar 2007 23:36:40 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 01:46:31
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Cornelius,
Thank you once again for your very rich links. I find lot of juicy food for thought in your links much the same as your own inputs. On this Jammeh cure claims, I am not sure if he refers to therapy as cure. I would not claim CURE if I were him. He was right to call it THERAPY if that is what it is. To call it cure is far ambitious a claim. Perhaps someone needed alerting him on the error. Perhaps too the media was quick at picking the issue up and never allowed Jammeh to rectify his possible errors of both method and claim of cure.
For now, I wish to promote the upkeep of a proactive platform of Gambians for progressive discourse. This is not in any way down-playing current engagements shared by Gambians in this and many other links. Experience has it that Gambians are taken for a ride. Politicians do abnormal things and keep the population to discuss them (politicians) using a good balance of needed social time. I thought the population is able to take the leading seat by engaging the political representatives in serious business. Current representatives are job seekers and five years in office is enough to build economic base for most of them. They have little time to discuss seriously. It is all partisan and more for self gain. That is wrong. Politicians are busy safeguarding their individual economic interest. They keep the population walking and talking about matters of interest to politicians and political parties. That is the unfortunate fact of life not only in Gambia but in several countries around the globe. Gambia needs to change this course of things. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 01:46:31
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Cornelius,
Thank you once again for your very rich links. I find lot of juicy food for thought in your links much the same as your own inputs. On this Jammeh cure claims, I am not sure if he refers to therapy as cure. I would not claim CURE if I were him. He was right to call it THERAPY if that is what it is. To call it cure is far ambitious a claim. Perhaps someone needed alerting him on the error. Perhaps too the media was quick at picking the issue up and never allowed Jammeh to rectify his possible errors of both method and claim of cure.
For now, I wish to promote the upkeep of a proactive platform of Gambians for progressive discourse. This is not in any way down-playing current engagements shared by Gambians in this and many other links. Experience has it that Gambians are taken for a ride. Politicians do abnormal things and keep the population to discuss them (politicians) using a good balance of needed social time. I thought the population is able to take the leading seat by engaging the political representatives in serious business. Current representatives are job seekers and five years in office is enough to build economic base for most of them. They have little time to discuss seriously. It is all partisan and more for self gain. That is wrong. Politicians are busy safeguarding their individual economic interest. They keep the population walking and talking about matters of interest to politicians and political parties. That is the unfortunate fact of life not only in Gambia but in several countries around the globe. Gambia needs to change this course of things. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 02:56:53
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Your first paragraph is riches. The Jammeh people should look at it as closely as the international community will be doing, in the coming days.
You've touched on a very important nerve there: how does the concept or the very word "cure" translate into miracle man's jargon and could it be that the president means recovery/ something that combats the symptoms/ therapy and less of the presidential type command
“ RISE! TAKE UP THY BED AND WALK!”
http://www.google.se/search?sourceid=navclient-menuext&ie=UTF-8&q=%e2%80%9c+RISE%21+TAKE+UP+THY+BED+AND+WALK%21%e2%80%9d
Well, you see what the people of Sierra Leone are suffering, the death in captivity, of Chief Hinga Norman and Kabbah who benefited most by his life, saying again something compounded by medical incongruity if not downright fiction to wit “President Kabbah explained that the hip replacement operation Chief Norman went through was a very risky operation, and several other people like Chief Norman have been unlucky to survive such an operation even in Europe.” That cold. And the Chief was the one who had the courage to stay behind and fight, whilst the Hon Kabbah hopped into the first helicopter to Conakry which is where he and his nearest and dearest to him stayed as VIPs of General Lansana Conte, for ten good months whilst the chief and his Civil defence people protected their areas from the predators of jungle warfare and battled on in the bush, whilst Kabbah (in more luxurious circumstances in Conakary) continued to be annoyed, that the whole Sierra Leone population didn't take to "Civil disobedience" en masse, to bring him back.
Now you catch a glimpse of the kind of man that YOUR president is. Yahya Jammeh not only performs the highly religious obligation of visiting the sick, but spends much of his personal time (working hours) actually trying his uttermost to relieve his dearest Gambian people of sickness and disease.
If you were the comrade –in arms, you’d expect some visits to your cell wouldn’t you? Instead of total abandonment. What hypocrisy.
I have been following most of the responses to the topic “Why NADD broke down” by my dear friend Momodou Sidibeh. I started my homework on why NADD in the first place.
You have been conspicuously absent from the discussions; not that they are less important than charting a course for the future. The opposition should be there to keep Yahya and his government on their toes.
http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html
There are many tricks that e.g. the Sierra Leone government can be up to, to outstay their length of allotted days in “P-ower” – to keep people talking nonsense, or side issues, and as you say and this applies more to Sierra Leone than the Gambia , “divert our attention by breaking in with one episode and then another. By the time we realise it, weeks, months, and years are gone”. There are ten ways of rigging an election: it starts with a census, the allocation of electoral constituencies, and voter registration (that’s 3)
PS. You started the thread with this:
”When living beings die they are laid to rest” ( Karamba)
” In his 1998 book, "The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society," Schlesinger lamented ``identity politics'' which he warned will undermine national unity. ”
( Thought about Obama & Karamba here)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=ajDrR6I8PP2g&refer=us
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Edited by - Cornelius on 04 Mar 2007 03:47:33 |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 02:56:53
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Your first paragraph is riches. The Jammeh people should look at it as closely as the international community will be doing, in the coming days.
You've touched on a very important nerve there: how does the concept or the very word "cure" translate into miracle man's jargon and could it be that the president means recovery/ something that combats the symptoms/ therapy and less of the presidential type command
“ RISE! TAKE UP THY BED AND WALK!”
http://www.google.se/search?sourceid=navclient-menuext&ie=UTF-8&q=%e2%80%9c+RISE%21+TAKE+UP+THY+BED+AND+WALK%21%e2%80%9d
Well, you see what the people of Sierra Leone are suffering, the death in captivity, of Chief Hinga Norman and Kabbah who benefited most by his life, saying again something compounded by medical incongruity if not downright fiction to wit “President Kabbah explained that the hip replacement operation Chief Norman went through was a very risky operation, and several other people like Chief Norman have been unlucky to survive such an operation even in Europe.” That cold. And the Chief was the one who had the courage to stay behind and fight, whilst the Hon Kabbah hopped into the first helicopter to Conakry which is where he and his nearest and dearest to him stayed as VIPs of General Lansana Conte, for ten good months whilst the chief and his Civil defence people protected their areas from the predators of jungle warfare and battled on in the bush, whilst Kabbah (in more luxurious circumstances in Conakary) continued to be annoyed, that the whole Sierra Leone population didn't take to "Civil disobedience" en masse, to bring him back.
Now you catch a glimpse of the kind of man that YOUR president is. Yahya Jammeh not only performs the highly religious obligation of visiting the sick, but spends much of his personal time (working hours) actually trying his uttermost to relieve his dearest Gambian people of sickness and disease.
If you were the comrade –in arms, you’d expect some visits to your cell wouldn’t you? Instead of total abandonment. What hypocrisy.
I have been following most of the responses to the topic “Why NADD broke down” by my dear friend Momodou Sidibeh. I started my homework on why NADD in the first place.
You have been conspicuously absent from the discussions; not that they are less important than charting a course for the future. The opposition should be there to keep Yahya and his government on their toes.
http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html
There are many tricks that e.g. the Sierra Leone government can be up to, to outstay their length of allotted days in “P-ower” – to keep people talking nonsense, or side issues, and as you say and this applies more to Sierra Leone than the Gambia , “divert our attention by breaking in with one episode and then another. By the time we realise it, weeks, months, and years are gone”. There are ten ways of rigging an election: it starts with a census, the allocation of electoral constituencies, and voter registration (that’s 3)
PS. You started the thread with this:
”When living beings die they are laid to rest” ( Karamba)
” In his 1998 book, "The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society," Schlesinger lamented ``identity politics'' which he warned will undermine national unity. ”
( Thought about Obama & Karamba here)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=ajDrR6I8PP2g&refer=us
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Edited by - Cornelius on 04 Mar 2007 03:47:33 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 22:28:41
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Cornelius,
You wondered how it is possible laying living skulls like Jammeh to rest. Here is how this can be done. If a person declines in potential we refer to that as impotence (not only in the sexual malfunction context.) When a man like Jammeh has such heavy load as MR PRESIDENT hanging over his name, that is not just a title. It is a task too. Without completing that task, it is derailing to take another task like WORLD CURER as in his claims having cure for HIV/AIDS. At this point, other people think there is something wrong with Jammeh. It is by such regards safe to let him and such wild claims lay to rest before more people suffer. There are scores of people out somewhere who trust Jammeh and would handle burning flames in his name. He's got to be careful not to mislead his believers. Better he lays to rest. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 22:28:41
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Cornelius,
You wondered how it is possible laying living skulls like Jammeh to rest. Here is how this can be done. If a person declines in potential we refer to that as impotence (not only in the sexual malfunction context.) When a man like Jammeh has such heavy load as MR PRESIDENT hanging over his name, that is not just a title. It is a task too. Without completing that task, it is derailing to take another task like WORLD CURER as in his claims having cure for HIV/AIDS. At this point, other people think there is something wrong with Jammeh. It is by such regards safe to let him and such wild claims lay to rest before more people suffer. There are scores of people out somewhere who trust Jammeh and would handle burning flames in his name. He's got to be careful not to mislead his believers. Better he lays to rest. |
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