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serenata
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1400 Posts |
 Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 16:37:05
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Thank you, Anna and Mbay! I am also glad to see you here.
My arm is not yet fully ok, but it's much better after almost 3 months of hospital, rehab (still going on) and relaxing in the village. Next week I'll start working again, but only a few hours a day.
If Jammeh can really cure HIV infections, he should not be afraid to prove it. 'Der Spiegel' wrote that he sent some patients' blood to a lab in Senegal for testing, but only after the treatment. For a real proof, he should have sent the same patients' blood before and after the treatment. If he refuses this, he can't expect to be taken serious.
For me it is no doubt that African traditional medicine can do a lot for the Aids patients' wellbeing, and that this is also the case with Jammeh's treatment. But if someone claims to cure such a severe, deadly illness, he/she should be able to prove it. Otherwise you could even call this person guilty of murder by negligence, because many people could forget about their protection and get infected because they think Aids is curable now.
The German version:
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,470143,00.html
The English version:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,470231,00.html |
Edited by - serenata on 08 Mar 2007 16:49:12 |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 19:35:27
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Yes I agree, I am sure traditional medicines can offer alot for paliative care, but a CURE is something else entirely. We have lots of people in the West making false claims too. My feeling is see a proper doctor for diagnosis and treatment and then see 'alternative' practitioners to help manage your illness. Reflexology, acupunture etc all have a role to play in the well being of patients and this can have a great impact on their recovery.I don't object to African medicine, just to the false hope given by the word CURE. [V |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 19:35:27
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| Yes I agree, I am sure traditional medicines can offer alot for paliative care, but a CURE is something else entirely. We have lots of people in the West making false claims too. My feeling is see a proper doctor for diagnosis and treatment and then see 'alternative' practitioners to help manage your illness. Reflexology, acupunture etc all have a role to play in the well being of patients and this can have a great impact on their recovery.I don't object to African medicine, just to the false hope given by the word CURE.[V |
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sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 19:43:46
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Welcome back Serenata,
Thanks for the link, nice to see how other parts of the world read about Yahya. Does'nt do much for the citizens though.....
Last paragraph was a bit chilling;
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Doing all he can to confirm this impression, the self-styled AIDS healer is now claiming to have discovered his fortune-telling skills. He claims to be able to predict a person's moment of death, after a single look in their eyes.
Wonder how many times that has happened!
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 19:43:46
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Welcome back Serenata,
Thanks for the link, nice to see how other parts of the world read about Yahya. Does'nt do much for the citizens though.....
Last paragraph was a bit chilling;
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Doing all he can to confirm this impression, the self-styled AIDS healer is now claiming to have discovered his fortune-telling skills. He claims to be able to predict a person's moment of death, after a single look in their eyes.
Wonder how many times that has happened!
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2007 : 00:22:13
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Originally posted by serenata
Thank you, Anna and Mbay! I am also glad to see you here.
My arm is not yet fully ok, but it's much better after almost 3 months of hospital, rehab (still going on) and relaxing in the village. Next week I'll start working again, but only a few hours a day.
If Jammeh can really cure HIV infections, he should not be afraid to prove it. 'Der Spiegel' wrote that he sent some patients' blood to a lab in Senegal for testing, but only after the treatment. For a real proof, he should have sent the same patients' blood before and after the treatment. If he refuses this, he can't expect to be taken serious.
For me it is no doubt that African traditional medicine can do a lot for the Aids patients' wellbeing, and that this is also the case with Jammeh's treatment. But if someone claims to cure such a severe, deadly illness, he/she should be able to prove it. Otherwise you could even call this person guilty of murder by negligence, because many people could forget about their protection and get infected because they think Aids is curable now.
The German version:
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,470143,00.html
The English version:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,470231,00.html
Serene,
i like your flower though. good to see your active avatar. Me, too, when i die i wish i could be a flower being turn into circulating air in the heavens as the believers are promised. the same 'serene' itself is a name that all should like. just remember me when reciting the serenity prayer.
with love,
Y
welcome back sister serene. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2007 : 00:22:13
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Originally posted by serenata
Thank you, Anna and Mbay! I am also glad to see you here.
My arm is not yet fully ok, but it's much better after almost 3 months of hospital, rehab (still going on) and relaxing in the village. Next week I'll start working again, but only a few hours a day.
If Jammeh can really cure HIV infections, he should not be afraid to prove it. 'Der Spiegel' wrote that he sent some patients' blood to a lab in Senegal for testing, but only after the treatment. For a real proof, he should have sent the same patients' blood before and after the treatment. If he refuses this, he can't expect to be taken serious.
For me it is no doubt that African traditional medicine can do a lot for the Aids patients' wellbeing, and that this is also the case with Jammeh's treatment. But if someone claims to cure such a severe, deadly illness, he/she should be able to prove it. Otherwise you could even call this person guilty of murder by negligence, because many people could forget about their protection and get infected because they think Aids is curable now.
The German version:
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,470143,00.html
The English version:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,470231,00.html
Serene,
i like your flower though. good to see your active avatar. Me, too, when i die i wish i could be a flower being turn into circulating air in the heavens as the believers are promised. the same 'serene' itself is a name that all should like. just remember me when reciting the serenity prayer.
with love,
Y
welcome back sister serene. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2007 : 09:06:00
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 Bros and sisters, thank you all for your warm welcome! Though I am not yet able to be as productive as before   , it is nice to be back and read your responses. Wish you all a happy and relaxing weekend!
sab, I fear you could be right...
Dalton, thank you, I'll remember you. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2007 : 09:06:00
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Bros and sisters, thank you all for your warm welcome! Though I am not yet able to be as productive as before , it is nice to be back and read your responses. Wish you all a happy and relaxing weekend!
sab, I fear you could be right...
Dalton, thank you, I'll remember you. |
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Momodou
Denmark
11740 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2007 : 16:11:37
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OPINION:
DOUBTS IN THE MINDS OF THE THOUGHTFUL
It is coming to two months now since president Jammeh stood before the whole world and declare that he can cure Asthma in five minutes and HIV/AIDS in three days. He stated that he has been doing it in secret before, because he was not mandated then to do it in the open. He revealed that he is now mandated to conduct the treatment openly, but only on Thursdays and must not exceed ten patients per HIV Clinic. He emphasised that anyone wishing to be enrolled in his treatment course must be tested and have his diagnoses confirmed and must accept publicity.
We know that most, if not all the medicines being used in the treatment of diseases are properties or chemicals derived from either plants or animals. Medicines or cures for diseases became discovered by human beings through experiments or by accidents. For example in an environment conducive for the growth of a certain disease causing micro-organism, certain properties or chemicals derived from a certain plant or animals can be placed to find out whether that organism can continue to grow in its presence (that is chemical derived from the plant or animal). If the organism continues to grow in the presence of the chemical, it shows that the organism is not sensitive to the chemical. That chemical does not have any negative effect on the growth of that organism. You know from there that you cannot use that chemical to fight that organism.
On the other hand, if the organism could not grow in the presence of the chemical, that gives you the idea that the organism is sensitive to that chemical and that the chemical is having a negative impact on the growth of the organism. That chemical can be used to fight that particular organism; and if it is not fatal to introduce or inject that chemical in the body of a person who is sick with that organism, then it is discovered that the chemical is a cure for that disease. Then you can give the chemical a name. If the discovery is made by President Jammeh, he may wish to call the chemical, now a medicine, ‘Jammeh’ or ‘Jammehcin’ or ‘Jammehcillin’. It is that kind of experiment that is done in the laboratories of research institutions. Those research institutions do not declare a chemical or drug a medicine or a cure of a disease until it is safe to be administered to humans which they do by testing it on animals whose anatomy and physiology are similar to that of humans. A medicine or a cure for a disease is discovered by accident also. It can also be discover by making a trial of the chemical on human beings instead of animals as it is done in laboratories. President Jammeh also can discover a cure for HIV and Asthma through that same method. That is possible. But, the manner in which he made his pronouncement that he cures HIV and Asthma is what created doubts in the minds of all scientific and thoughtful people. His claim that he can cure HIV in three days and Asthma in five minutes; that for HIV he was mandated to treat not more than ten patients at a time and only on Thursdays. It is a common knowledge that in science it does not matter which day in a week the treatment is given. What matters is the potency of the treatment or medicines which is not determined by the day. The thought that the treatment is effective only on Thursday is viewed by science as a myth. So it is the mystification of the whole nature of his treatment that arouses doubts in the minds of all those who think intelligently.
The primary concern of the world regarding Jammeh’s claim is whether he can really cure HIV, that is, whether his treatment is capable of eliminating the virus in the body of a confirmed HIV patient. Now the onus lies on him to prove to the world that his treatment is capable of doing that without necessarily revealing the chemicals or medicine involved. That is what he has failed to do so far from the day he made his most obscure declaration.
In my opinion, what Jammeh should have done to prove himself right to the world is to invite scientists from renown international research institutions all over the world, not only media practitioners, to come and confirm for themselves that his claims are genuine. Those scientists should confirm by themselves that the patients he treat really have HIV before the commencement of the treatment by taking their blood specimens and having them tested. And at the end of the treatment the same thing should be done to confirm whether they are still having the virus or not. If it is confirmed by those scientists that the patients are really cured after the treatment, there will be no cause for them to hide that fact. In that case, it is the whole country, The Gambia, which stands to benefit. The benefit can be derived from the discovery of a cure for a disease like HIV by our president which has been and is still a major concern to the whole world. It can be a means for the cancellation of all our foreign debt as well. It provides billions of dollars for the eradication of poverty of our people and the subsequent development of our country. It can even be more beneficial than the oil which he said was discovered in the country some years ago.
As for the treatment of Asthma, not much is needed to be known whether his claim is true or not. The Asthmatic patients who have taken his treatment are the credible witnesses of the truth and falsity of that claim. If it is true as it is claimed by some of them on GRTS immediately after taking the treatment, then those patients should not have Asthmatic attack any more and should not be seen running to the health facilities for nebulisation and other treatments.
After almost two months of the treatment, Jammeh should now come out to clear any doubt in the minds of the thoughtful every where in the world. There should not be any need for quarrelling with any one that, he is the one who invited people and made the claim. Let’s hope that he will not make the world laugh at us.
By Fabakary Trawally
Baddibu Salikenni
Source: Foroyaa Newspaper Burning Issue
Issue No 28/2007, 9th -11th March 2007 |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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Momodou
Denmark
11740 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2007 : 16:11:37
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OPINION:
DOUBTS IN THE MINDS OF THE THOUGHTFUL
It is coming to two months now since president Jammeh stood before the whole world and declare that he can cure Asthma in five minutes and HIV/AIDS in three days. He stated that he has been doing it in secret before, because he was not mandated then to do it in the open. He revealed that he is now mandated to conduct the treatment openly, but only on Thursdays and must not exceed ten patients per HIV Clinic. He emphasised that anyone wishing to be enrolled in his treatment course must be tested and have his diagnoses confirmed and must accept publicity.
We know that most, if not all the medicines being used in the treatment of diseases are properties or chemicals derived from either plants or animals. Medicines or cures for diseases became discovered by human beings through experiments or by accidents. For example in an environment conducive for the growth of a certain disease causing micro-organism, certain properties or chemicals derived from a certain plant or animals can be placed to find out whether that organism can continue to grow in its presence (that is chemical derived from the plant or animal). If the organism continues to grow in the presence of the chemical, it shows that the organism is not sensitive to the chemical. That chemical does not have any negative effect on the growth of that organism. You know from there that you cannot use that chemical to fight that organism.
On the other hand, if the organism could not grow in the presence of the chemical, that gives you the idea that the organism is sensitive to that chemical and that the chemical is having a negative impact on the growth of the organism. That chemical can be used to fight that particular organism; and if it is not fatal to introduce or inject that chemical in the body of a person who is sick with that organism, then it is discovered that the chemical is a cure for that disease. Then you can give the chemical a name. If the discovery is made by President Jammeh, he may wish to call the chemical, now a medicine, ‘Jammeh’ or ‘Jammehcin’ or ‘Jammehcillin’. It is that kind of experiment that is done in the laboratories of research institutions. Those research institutions do not declare a chemical or drug a medicine or a cure of a disease until it is safe to be administered to humans which they do by testing it on animals whose anatomy and physiology are similar to that of humans. A medicine or a cure for a disease is discovered by accident also. It can also be discover by making a trial of the chemical on human beings instead of animals as it is done in laboratories. President Jammeh also can discover a cure for HIV and Asthma through that same method. That is possible. But, the manner in which he made his pronouncement that he cures HIV and Asthma is what created doubts in the minds of all scientific and thoughtful people. His claim that he can cure HIV in three days and Asthma in five minutes; that for HIV he was mandated to treat not more than ten patients at a time and only on Thursdays. It is a common knowledge that in science it does not matter which day in a week the treatment is given. What matters is the potency of the treatment or medicines which is not determined by the day. The thought that the treatment is effective only on Thursday is viewed by science as a myth. So it is the mystification of the whole nature of his treatment that arouses doubts in the minds of all those who think intelligently.
The primary concern of the world regarding Jammeh’s claim is whether he can really cure HIV, that is, whether his treatment is capable of eliminating the virus in the body of a confirmed HIV patient. Now the onus lies on him to prove to the world that his treatment is capable of doing that without necessarily revealing the chemicals or medicine involved. That is what he has failed to do so far from the day he made his most obscure declaration.
In my opinion, what Jammeh should have done to prove himself right to the world is to invite scientists from renown international research institutions all over the world, not only media practitioners, to come and confirm for themselves that his claims are genuine. Those scientists should confirm by themselves that the patients he treat really have HIV before the commencement of the treatment by taking their blood specimens and having them tested. And at the end of the treatment the same thing should be done to confirm whether they are still having the virus or not. If it is confirmed by those scientists that the patients are really cured after the treatment, there will be no cause for them to hide that fact. In that case, it is the whole country, The Gambia, which stands to benefit. The benefit can be derived from the discovery of a cure for a disease like HIV by our president which has been and is still a major concern to the whole world. It can be a means for the cancellation of all our foreign debt as well. It provides billions of dollars for the eradication of poverty of our people and the subsequent development of our country. It can even be more beneficial than the oil which he said was discovered in the country some years ago.
As for the treatment of Asthma, not much is needed to be known whether his claim is true or not. The Asthmatic patients who have taken his treatment are the credible witnesses of the truth and falsity of that claim. If it is true as it is claimed by some of them on GRTS immediately after taking the treatment, then those patients should not have Asthmatic attack any more and should not be seen running to the health facilities for nebulisation and other treatments.
After almost two months of the treatment, Jammeh should now come out to clear any doubt in the minds of the thoughtful every where in the world. There should not be any need for quarrelling with any one that, he is the one who invited people and made the claim. Let’s hope that he will not make the world laugh at us.
By Fabakary Trawally
Baddibu Salikenni
Source: Foroyaa Newspaper Burning Issue
Issue No 28/2007, 9th -11th March 2007 |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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dbaldeh
USA
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dbaldeh
USA
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 17:47:41
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| dbaldeh, there are many who want to make money with dubious HIV medicaments. These people are nothing but unscrupulous. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2007 : 17:47:41
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| dbaldeh, there are many who want to make money with dubious HIV medicaments. These people are nothing but unscrupulous. |
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