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Cornelius
Sweden
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 Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 01:05:30
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Lab test proves HIV cure: Dr. Coumba Touré-Kane guilty of professional dishonesty
http://www.observer.gm/enews/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7399&Itemid=33
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Hiv/Aids patients respond to treatment
http://www.observer.gm/enews/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7102&Itemid=33
MY own cautious response to the above is as follows:
The whole world knows that aids is an issue.
People in distress cry to God, for help. Some respond to the cry for help with prayers of their own, or donations to research or sadaqa to the cause of orphans. Others cannot respond because they do not have the means of doing so.
So, it's reassuring to read that the patients are responding positively to treatment and a general improvement in their conditions is being observed, and that they are all on the way to fuller recovery which could be termed the CURE that the whole world of hopefuls are looking forward to. Both those who pray for a cure and the sceptics can both be convinced by the same results. Once convinced Dr. Jammeh will have to share his secrets no matter how expensive – and that's what they (Dr. Thomas & medical colleagues) want to know, the HOW.
Of course those afflicted even within the medical establishment would prefer to be cured first and get the medical explanations of process later - even if the miracle could be beyond their comprehension, like that peace " that passeth all understanding"
Quite different from the suspicious cowboys whose motto is “Shoot first, ask questions later.”
In both cases it’s life versus death.
To be extra sure I looked up the meaning of the word cure:
http://www.answers.com/topic/curing
Now all that remains to be seen by those who were ill, is to compare their condition before and after treatment.
Still, ultimately we are praying for a full and not just a partial cure or recovery, and one piece of sound advice to those who are feeling much better or cured is to live discretely and not to contract the diseases again by imprudent living.
The rich will be the first to seek out the African doctor, if it indeed works, and that African Herb plantation, may it prosper for ever.
Amen.
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Cornelius
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Lily
United Kingdom
422 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 21:13:48
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| But the virus already has to be in the blood. Catch 22 if you have aids and/or malaria it seems. |
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Lily
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 21:13:48
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| But the virus already has to be in the blood. Catch 22 if you have aids and/or malaria it seems. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Cornelius
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 10:46:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Cornelius
Lab test proves HIV cure: Dr. Coumba Touré-Kane guilty of professional dishonesty
http://www.observer.gm/enews/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7399&Itemid=33
and
]Hiv/Aids patients respond to treatment
http://www.observer.gm/enews/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7102&Itemid=33
MY own cautious response to the above is as follows:
The whole world knows that aids is an issue.
People in distress cry to God, for help. Some respond to the cry for help with prayers of their own, or donations to research or sadaqa to the cause of orphans. Others cannot respond because they do not have the means of doing so.
So, it's reassuring to read that the patients are responding positively to treatment and a general improvement in their conditions is being observed, and that they are all on the way to fuller recovery which could be termed the CURE that the whole world of hopefuls are looking forward to. Both those who pray for a cure and the sceptics can both be convinced by the same results. Once convinced Dr. Jammeh will have to share his secrets no matter how expensive – and that's what they (Dr. Thomas & medical colleagues) want to know, the HOW.
Of course those afflicted even within the medical establishment would prefer to be cured first and get the medical explanations of process later - even if the miracle could be beyond their comprehension, like that peace " that passeth all understanding"
Quite different from the suspicious cowboys whose motto is “Shoot first, ask questions later.”
In both cases it’s life versus death.
To be extra sure I looked up the meaning of the word cure:
http://www.answers.com/topic/curing
Now all that remains to be seen by those who were ill, is to compare their condition before and after treatment.
Still, ultimately we are praying for a full and not just a partial cure or recovery, and one piece of sound advice to those who are feeling much better or cured is to live discretely and not to contract the diseases again by imprudent living.
The rich will be the first to seek out the African doctor, if it indeed works, and that African Herb plantation, may it prosper for ever.
Amen.
Hi bro,
This time around I want to share your sentiments.I do belief that many Gambians arguing or disputing president Jammeh's ability to cure aids or ashma would have readily jump sky high with belief if the cure had been claimed by an American doctor or European one.This sickness of Africans against Africans has been more of a killer disease than AIDS.
I am not in anyway claiming that President Jammeh can indeed cure these diseases,simply am not ruling it out than nothing is impossible.He said he has a cure,why not try to proof him wrong before shouting out loud with denials.
Africans were and still are blessed with medicine men/women who would use roots and leaves to cure complicated diseases[Those who knew my uncle and other non western educated doctors,would ascertain to that]We know these well African tallented doctors have lived and still continue to use their knowledge not from the classroom but gifted knowledge or one learnt from Dad,uncle or mum ,aunt to cured diseases from both black/white men and women.
Well before and even present western chemicalised tablets we use today,our men and women had been cared,cured and treated by those very doctors who never had western education and yet their patients lived longer years than us with all our technology.
We have seen African doctors fixed broken bones without concreting it[anyone born in the Gambia between 1800 to 1990 would not dispute kanilai fixing broken bones],we have seen African doctors cure diseases which some western doctors find had to even trace.Africa had and is still blessed with doctors who have never sat in a western educating classroom.How about our grest midwives who teach them how to deliver us or cut the umblical cord? Why not dispute their knowledge?There are still in some hospitals accross Africa where tallented African doctors would be called upon by our well educated westernised doctors where their knowledges would be tapped.Who would dispute some Africans using fire to resture the intestine that sprout out of the belly?fellows proof before you just argue.
I think we should be asking ourselves what went wrong
Africans are full inside with this illussion of west best, Africa hopeless with everything and yet we fail to blame ourselves as contributors to that hopelessness.Today Africa is full of brothers against brothers with hatred,envy,goshipping,backbiting,lying so that the other brother would get into trouble,or try to see hius/her downfall by all means.Instead of striving to fight together,we are separating and fighting amongst ourselves and thus creating enemity within.
SHAME ON US ALL
If the very patients who claimed to have had AIDS and are medically tested would claim to have been cured,who are we to say no you still have AIDS because the one who claimed to have cured you, is not medically trained?,AIDS cure in the Gambia mark you could be true.Lets wait and see.I cannot rule out anything until proven otherwise. |
Edited by - Janyanfara on 02 Mar 2007 11:21:19 |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 10:46:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Cornelius
Lab test proves HIV cure: Dr. Coumba Touré-Kane guilty of professional dishonesty
http://www.observer.gm/enews/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7399&Itemid=33
and
]Hiv/Aids patients respond to treatment
http://www.observer.gm/enews/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7102&Itemid=33
MY own cautious response to the above is as follows:
The whole world knows that aids is an issue.
People in distress cry to God, for help. Some respond to the cry for help with prayers of their own, or donations to research or sadaqa to the cause of orphans. Others cannot respond because they do not have the means of doing so.
So, it's reassuring to read that the patients are responding positively to treatment and a general improvement in their conditions is being observed, and that they are all on the way to fuller recovery which could be termed the CURE that the whole world of hopefuls are looking forward to. Both those who pray for a cure and the sceptics can both be convinced by the same results. Once convinced Dr. Jammeh will have to share his secrets no matter how expensive – and that's what they (Dr. Thomas & medical colleagues) want to know, the HOW.
Of course those afflicted even within the medical establishment would prefer to be cured first and get the medical explanations of process later - even if the miracle could be beyond their comprehension, like that peace " that passeth all understanding"
Quite different from the suspicious cowboys whose motto is “Shoot first, ask questions later.”
In both cases it’s life versus death.
To be extra sure I looked up the meaning of the word cure:
http://www.answers.com/topic/curing
Now all that remains to be seen by those who were ill, is to compare their condition before and after treatment.
Still, ultimately we are praying for a full and not just a partial cure or recovery, and one piece of sound advice to those who are feeling much better or cured is to live discretely and not to contract the diseases again by imprudent living.
The rich will be the first to seek out the African doctor, if it indeed works, and that African Herb plantation, may it prosper for ever.
Amen.
Hi bro,
This time around I want to share your sentiments.I do belief that many Gambians arguing or disputing president Jammeh's ability to cure aids or ashma would have readily jump sky high with belief if the cure had been claimed by an American doctor or European one.This sickness of Africans against Africans has been more of a killer disease than AIDS.
I am not in anyway claiming that President Jammeh can indeed cure these diseases,simply am not ruling it out than nothing is impossible.He said he has a cure,why not try to proof him wrong before shouting out loud with denials.
Africans were and still are blessed with medicine men/women who would use roots and leaves to cure complicated diseases[Those who knew my uncle and other non western educated doctors,would ascertain to that]We know these well African tallented doctors have lived and still continue to use their knowledge not from the classroom but gifted knowledge or one learnt from Dad,uncle or mum ,aunt to cured diseases from both black/white men and women.
Well before and even present western chemicalised tablets we use today,our men and women had been cared,cured and treated by those very doctors who never had western education and yet their patients lived longer years than us with all our technology.
We have seen African doctors fixed broken bones without concreting it[anyone born in the Gambia between 1800 to 1990 would not dispute kanilai fixing broken bones],we have seen African doctors cure diseases which some western doctors find had to even trace.Africa had and is still blessed with doctors who have never sat in a western educating classroom.How about our grest midwives who teach them how to deliver us or cut the umblical cord? Why not dispute their knowledge?There are still in some hospitals accross Africa where tallented African doctors would be called upon by our well educated westernised doctors where their knowledges would be tapped.Who would dispute some Africans using fire to resture the intestine that sprout out of the belly?fellows proof before you just argue.
I think we should be asking ourselves what went wrong
Africans are full inside with this illussion of west best, Africa hopeless with everything and yet we fail to blame ourselves as contributors to that hopelessness.Today Africa is full of brothers against brothers with hatred,envy,goshipping,backbiting,lying so that the other brother would get into trouble,or try to see hius/her downfall by all means.Instead of striving to fight together,we are separating and fighting amongst ourselves and thus creating enemity within.
SHAME ON US ALL
If the very patients who claimed to have had AIDS and are medically tested would claim to have been cured,who are we to say no you still have AIDS because the one who claimed to have cured you, is not medically trained?,AIDS cure in the Gambia mark you could be true.Lets wait and see.I cannot rule out anything until proven otherwise. |
Edited by - Janyanfara on 02 Mar 2007 11:21:19 |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 14:19:33
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Brother,
I would belive that he has cured an Hiv-possitiv person , only if the said person is neutral. The proof of the pudding lies in the eating. Let him get somebody unknown to him and test the person before and after, then I shall take the results as they show. We have problems with diagnoses of the sick in the Gambia. Many a times comes somebody from Gambia who has been treated with eg. high blood pressure and after all neccessary test here it shows that the said person is not suffering from the said deasese. This is why I have my full doubts when it comes in curing Hiv/Aids.
Astma is another story. But Hiv/Aids is not a joke. How many lives from Africa South of the Sahara die every minute from Hiv/Aids?
If Jammeh will make his treatment true and belivable, let somebody neutral come forward to be treated.
This propaganda in Gambia can be a fake. Maybe the said persons never had Hiv/Aids. It could be a bargin between them. Who knows?
Lastly, this is not about Africans disbelivig Africans. I know a herbalist called Ndiayé Low. He cures some ailments and have even patients in Stockholm who are not Africans. The herbs have been effective, but not HIV/AIDS. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 14:19:33
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Brother,
I would belive that he has cured an Hiv-possitiv person , only if the said person is neutral. The proof of the pudding lies in the eating. Let him get somebody unknown to him and test the person before and after, then I shall take the results as they show. We have problems with diagnoses of the sick in the Gambia. Many a times comes somebody from Gambia who has been treated with eg. high blood pressure and after all neccessary test here it shows that the said person is not suffering from the said deasese. This is why I have my full doubts when it comes in curing Hiv/Aids.
Astma is another story. But Hiv/Aids is not a joke. How many lives from Africa South of the Sahara die every minute from Hiv/Aids?
If Jammeh will make his treatment true and belivable, let somebody neutral come forward to be treated.
This propaganda in Gambia can be a fake. Maybe the said persons never had Hiv/Aids. It could be a bargin between them. Who knows?
Lastly, this is not about Africans disbelivig Africans. I know a herbalist called Ndiayé Low. He cures some ailments and have even patients in Stockholm who are not Africans. The herbs have been effective, but not HIV/AIDS. |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 23:56:17
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Janyanfara, I am deeply saddened with the Jammeh claim for a cure of HIV/AIDS. What saddened me is the implication of the claim on the lives of thousands of innocent children and their devasted single parents not to talk about the people he is claiming to cure. He made them stop taking the expensive anti viral medication they are taking. These medications are given free of charge through the sponsorship of UNDP and thousands of others in the Gambia are benefiting from this project through medications, food supplies, shelter and many other basic necessities of life that the government cannot provide.
Can you imagine the impact of this project if UNDP is to stop providing the sponsorship. How many will die or simply starve to death? If patients stop taking their medications, the project will not be justified anymore...
Another disturbing scenario is that HIV/AIDS is not an ordinary disease. When one is infected by the virus, one faces a losing battle. Many infected people does not only face the challenge of fighting the disease but every other challenge in society. They think about their mortality every single day. They are rejected by their own family members because of the disease.
Now let me ask you, how many children, babies as young as one wake up everyday without any hope of making it through life? How many young mothers and children are abandoned with their young infants because they suffer from the disease? How many of these people wake up every morning without hope of making it to through another day?
Did you see the implications of giving these poor people a false hope of finding a cure for this deadly disease? Can you relate to what it means to loose hope completely because one does not see the need to go to school, go outside of the house to play with other kids, or even eat a meal and go to sleep peacefully? My brothers and sisters, we are taking this HIV issue lightly but we shouldn't because it impacts peoples' lives everyday.
Does President Jammeh think about the effort groups like Santa Yalla are doing to educate Gambians of the danger of spreading this disease? What impact does his promise have on those exposing themselves everyday just to save one more child and mother from getting the virus? Can he walk to Santa Yalla support society house with over 500 infected people including infants, look them in the eye and promise them not only a cure, but moral support in their daily lives? My friends this issue has gone beyond politics. Peoples' entire lives are at stake? This is not about African against African, it is about the impact and the danger of giving false hope. |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 23:56:17
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Janyanfara, I am deeply saddened with the Jammeh claim for a cure of HIV/AIDS. What saddened me is the implication of the claim on the lives of thousands of innocent children and their devasted single parents not to talk about the people he is claiming to cure. He made them stop taking the expensive anti viral medication they are taking. These medications are given free of charge through the sponsorship of UNDP and thousands of others in the Gambia are benefiting from this project through medications, food supplies, shelter and many other basic necessities of life that the government cannot provide.
Can you imagine the impact of this project if UNDP is to stop providing the sponsorship. How many will die or simply starve to death? If patients stop taking their medications, the project will not be justified anymore...
Another disturbing scenario is that HIV/AIDS is not an ordinary disease. When one is infected by the virus, one faces a losing battle. Many infected people does not only face the challenge of fighting the disease but every other challenge in society. They think about their mortality every single day. They are rejected by their own family members because of the disease.
Now let me ask you, how many children, babies as young as one wake up everyday without any hope of making it through life? How many young mothers and children are abandoned with their young infants because they suffer from the disease? How many of these people wake up every morning without hope of making it to through another day?
Did you see the implications of giving these poor people a false hope of finding a cure for this deadly disease? Can you relate to what it means to loose hope completely because one does not see the need to go to school, go outside of the house to play with other kids, or even eat a meal and go to sleep peacefully? My brothers and sisters, we are taking this HIV issue lightly but we shouldn't because it impacts peoples' lives everyday.
Does President Jammeh think about the effort groups like Santa Yalla are doing to educate Gambians of the danger of spreading this disease? What impact does his promise have on those exposing themselves everyday just to save one more child and mother from getting the virus? Can he walk to Santa Yalla support society house with over 500 infected people including infants, look them in the eye and promise them not only a cure, but moral support in their daily lives? My friends this issue has gone beyond politics. Peoples' entire lives are at stake? This is not about African against African, it is about the impact and the danger of giving false hope. |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2007 : 14:54:33
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My brother nagativity begets negativity.If we ask of independant AIDS patients to be attended by the president so as to ascertain his claim well fair enough let anyone with AIDS come from any country to be treated by him so that you I, and many other would then come to a conclussion.
If AIDS can be cured, what use would we have of Santa yala and the likes?
What use would we have for any AIDS sensitisation?
I belief loads of fundings in to these socalled AIDS sensitisation campaigns could be utilised in other sectors of our economic recovery programmes.
I tell you my dear brother its rather unfortunate that we as Africans would tend to be more frustrating to efforts by our own brothers and sisters espacially when those efforts are being questioned by the west.
Who in his right sense would not belief in human conception?
Don't you know when you go to a doctor with an illness,there is this tendency that if you belief once you are injected,you'll be cure even if you're injected with desilt water, you are curred? Ask the medical practitioners they will tell you.
You are quite right this is not a political issue rather a very serious one.AIDS is vertually affecting our own people and if nothing is done about it now now now it might be too late.
I now ask you my brother what effect does taking the expensive anti viral medication does to these infecteds?
Does it cure them?[Think about my this question very carefully if you do care about our Brothers and sisters who are affected]?
Put your self to their position, imagine a disease without a known cure.I belief anti viral drugs helps you to die peacefully but gradually anyway!
What about if there is a cure?what would the affecteds prefer?
Can you imagine the impact of this project if UNDP is to stop providing the sponsorship.[your question]
well if the UNDP is seriously interested in helping our people,they will make their own investigations and if Jammeh's claims prouves to be true, help sponsor it if on the other it prouves to be untrue then let him stop.I think Jammeh's intention is surely to help his people and not otherwise if wrong beyond all doubts, then I think he will stop. I am not in any way claiming that Jammeh can indeed cure AIDS for I don't know I am only saying no one can rule it out based on his non medical training.If he claims to have found a cure and his patients who were tested and found to have the virus claim after his treatment to have been cured,I belief in the patients for I don't think our medical and health would lie to the people.
God help the Gambia
peace Janyanfara |
Edited by - Janyanfara on 06 Mar 2007 14:58:23 |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2007 : 14:54:33
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My brother nagativity begets negativity.If we ask of independant AIDS patients to be attended by the president so as to ascertain his claim well fair enough let anyone with AIDS come from any country to be treated by him so that you I, and many other would then come to a conclussion.
If AIDS can be cured, what use would we have of Santa yala and the likes?
What use would we have for any AIDS sensitisation?
I belief loads of fundings in to these socalled AIDS sensitisation campaigns could be utilised in other sectors of our economic recovery programmes.
I tell you my dear brother its rather unfortunate that we as Africans would tend to be more frustrating to efforts by our own brothers and sisters espacially when those efforts are being questioned by the west.
Who in his right sense would not belief in human conception?
Don't you know when you go to a doctor with an illness,there is this tendency that if you belief once you are injected,you'll be cure even if you're injected with desilt water, you are curred? Ask the medical practitioners they will tell you.
You are quite right this is not a political issue rather a very serious one.AIDS is vertually affecting our own people and if nothing is done about it now now now it might be too late.
I now ask you my brother what effect does taking the expensive anti viral medication does to these infecteds?
Does it cure them?[Think about my this question very carefully if you do care about our Brothers and sisters who are affected]?
Put your self to their position, imagine a disease without a known cure.I belief anti viral drugs helps you to die peacefully but gradually anyway!
What about if there is a cure?what would the affecteds prefer?
Can you imagine the impact of this project if UNDP is to stop providing the sponsorship.[your question]
well if the UNDP is seriously interested in helping our people,they will make their own investigations and if Jammeh's claims prouves to be true, help sponsor it if on the other it prouves to be untrue then let him stop.I think Jammeh's intention is surely to help his people and not otherwise if wrong beyond all doubts, then I think he will stop. I am not in any way claiming that Jammeh can indeed cure AIDS for I don't know I am only saying no one can rule it out based on his non medical training.If he claims to have found a cure and his patients who were tested and found to have the virus claim after his treatment to have been cured,I belief in the patients for I don't think our medical and health would lie to the people.
God help the Gambia
peace Janyanfara |
Edited by - Janyanfara on 06 Mar 2007 14:58:23 |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 06 Mar 2007 : 23:37:02
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| JANYANFARA , PLS DON'T GIVE CONI ANY MORAL SUPPORT HERE. IN AS MUCH AS WE WILL ALL JUMP UP DOWN IF SOME BODY FIND THE CURE FOR AIDS ,we need to be realistic about yaya the mad here. he cannot even cure swearing let alone a killer illness. |
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