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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 23:29:20
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Have you never been stopped by the police in Gambia? My Gambian friends find it very intimidating and usually hand over money to smooth their passage.
How do you suggest we encourage Gambians to speak up and out. They are frightened.
And you think Yaya will stoop low to encourage such? The Police should know better. Also some motorists fail to ensure that their vehicles are road worthy. some policemen would capitalize on the irregularity to get money from you. For most Gambians it is easier to bribe a policeman than go to court for trafic offence. Police corruption is not only common to The Gambia. Have you tried going to Dakar from the Gambia by land? You will be shocked to find out that the number of road blocks quadruples those of The Gambia. Not to mention Ivory Coast, Togo, Guniea Conakry, big brother Nigeria.
GambiaBev, The Gambia has some problems, but most of these are not specific to The Gambia. I hope you are not a victim of some bumsters who lie to tourists just to gain their sympathy and probably gain passage to fortress Europe. I met a brit who visits regularly. I thought his visits would make Gambia better, but to my surprise it was not the case. This gentleman, told me that Edward singhatey is the only educated member of cabinet and that he is the Vice-president. I looked at him in awe, thinking he was joking, but as he went on ,i said to myself are such ignorant people still around? I maybe have been absent from The Gambia but not long ago. I knew Edward , we went to the Sixth Form at the same time. We used to catch the schoolbus under the Boabab tree by the Christian cemetry in Banjul. Edward like his boss is not a graduate. Gambians and friends of The Gambia must wake up!
No matter our desire to see great improvements in terms of good governance, we must not loose sight of the smallbut tangible dvelopment and relative peace and stability we have. |
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Edited by - MADIBA on 26 Feb 2007 23:31:32 |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 23:29:20
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Have you never been stopped by the police in Gambia? My Gambian friends find it very intimidating and usually hand over money to smooth their passage.
How do you suggest we encourage Gambians to speak up and out. They are frightened.
And you think Yaya will stoop low to encourage such? The Police should know better. Also some motorists fail to ensure that their vehicles are road worthy. some policemen would capitalize on the irregularity to get money from you. For most Gambians it is easier to bribe a policeman than go to court for trafic offence. Police corruption is not only common to The Gambia. Have you tried going to Dakar from the Gambia by land? You will be shocked to find out that the number of road blocks quadruples those of The Gambia. Not to mention Ivory Coast, Togo, Guniea Conakry, big brother Nigeria.
GambiaBev, The Gambia has some problems, but most of these are not specific to The Gambia. I hope you are not a victim of some bumsters who lie to tourists just to gain their sympathy and probably gain passage to fortress Europe. I met a brit who visits regularly. I thought his visits would make Gambia better, but to my surprise it was not the case. This gentleman, told me that Edward singhatey is the only educated member of cabinet and that he is the Vice-president. I looked at him in awe, thinking he was joking, but as he went on ,i said to myself are such ignorant people still around? I maybe have been absent from The Gambia but not long ago. I knew Edward , we went to the Sixth Form at the same time. We used to catch the schoolbus under the Boabab tree by the Christian cemetry in Banjul. Edward like his boss is not a graduate. Gambians and friends of The Gambia must wake up!
No matter our desire to see great improvements in terms of good governance, we must not loose sight of the smallbut tangible dvelopment and relative peace and stability we have. |
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Edited by - MADIBA on 26 Feb 2007 23:31:32 |
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toubab
Gambia
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 00:15:58
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Gambiabev it's so easy to take things out of context. I said "Tyrants normally make it their preoccupation to torture and murder people on mass i.e Saddam Hussein was a Tyrant, Pol Pott was a Tyrant, Hilter was a Tyrant, Mussolini was a Tyrant to name 4 which come to mind. Compared to them Jammeh is a Teddy Bear."
On another note you mentioned about people going missing in the night. Can you elaborate on that point. Who exactly has gone missing in the night can you state their name location where they went missing from?
As for Ministers being dismissed I put it to you how many Ministers has Blair replaced in his term of office? The reason why I am asking you this question because I have lost count.
Also on the point of Freedom of Speech and Anti Terror laws many of the fundamental rights, which were once taken for granted in the UK have been eroded. And many minorities in the UK feel intimidated by the police and many Iraqi's and Afganistani's feel intimated by the British army. History will be the final judge of who is and who is not a Tyrant.
I went to Gambia last March and I was there during the attempted coup and I never felt once intimidated by the police or the army. As for freedom of speech if people don't exercise their God given rights then someone will always try to take it away from them.
Peace
Sister Omega
Of course you didn't feel intimidated by the police or army!! You were a tourist here staying at a hotel, they are not going too intimidate you - not good for the tourist industry! I have lived here for 18 months now and have seen and heard things that go on, and yes people do disappear in the night - but you sure as hell do not read about it in your daily tabloids! I pass the Human Rights building everyday on the highway and every day I think what a waste of space! I have had dealings with the police here on behalf of someone, and trust me you dont mess with them!Next time you visit spend a few nights in Kotu police station, I promise you that you will feel intimidated. Wake up and smell the coffee,no, in there it will be urine, faeces and stale sweat, and thats the good bit. |
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toubab
Gambia
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 00:15:58
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Gambiabev it's so easy to take things out of context. I said "Tyrants normally make it their preoccupation to torture and murder people on mass i.e Saddam Hussein was a Tyrant, Pol Pott was a Tyrant, Hilter was a Tyrant, Mussolini was a Tyrant to name 4 which come to mind. Compared to them Jammeh is a Teddy Bear."
On another note you mentioned about people going missing in the night. Can you elaborate on that point. Who exactly has gone missing in the night can you state their name location where they went missing from?
As for Ministers being dismissed I put it to you how many Ministers has Blair replaced in his term of office? The reason why I am asking you this question because I have lost count.
Also on the point of Freedom of Speech and Anti Terror laws many of the fundamental rights, which were once taken for granted in the UK have been eroded. And many minorities in the UK feel intimidated by the police and many Iraqi's and Afganistani's feel intimated by the British army. History will be the final judge of who is and who is not a Tyrant.
I went to Gambia last March and I was there during the attempted coup and I never felt once intimidated by the police or the army. As for freedom of speech if people don't exercise their God given rights then someone will always try to take it away from them.
Peace
Sister Omega
Of course you didn't feel intimidated by the police or army!! You were a tourist here staying at a hotel, they are not going too intimidate you - not good for the tourist industry! I have lived here for 18 months now and have seen and heard things that go on, and yes people do disappear in the night - but you sure as hell do not read about it in your daily tabloids! I pass the Human Rights building everyday on the highway and every day I think what a waste of space! I have had dealings with the police here on behalf of someone, and trust me you dont mess with them!Next time you visit spend a few nights in Kotu police station, I promise you that you will feel intimidated. Wake up and smell the coffee,no, in there it will be urine, faeces and stale sweat, and thats the good bit. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 20:38:04
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Toubab I've never stayed in a hotel in Gambia or anywhere else for that matter. I prefer to stay in the community and yes I've visited Barra police station, and seen a prisoner in a cell. As for the santition facilitates in the police station they are not that hygenic but then alot of the sanitation in Gambia needs to be upgraded.
If the UN can be located in the UN then I can see no reason why a Human Rights Centre cannot be located in Gambia. After all at least Gambia signed up to the UN Human Rights Charter. That's more than I csn say about the US.
As for the police and soliders that I've met they have treated me with respect. Obviously I don't profess that they are all the same. But I suppose Toubab if you were a IC3 male working along the road of the Inner city under the age of 35 then you too may feel intimated when you are stopped and banged up in a cell for no reason.
Peace
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 20:38:04
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Toubab I've never stayed in a hotel in Gambia or anywhere else for that matter. I prefer to stay in the community and yes I've visited Barra police station, and seen a prisoner in a cell. As for the santition facilitates in the police station they are not that hygenic but then alot of the sanitation in Gambia needs to be upgraded.
If the UN can be located in the UN then I can see no reason why a Human Rights Centre cannot be located in Gambia. After all at least Gambia signed up to the UN Human Rights Charter. That's more than I csn say about the US.
As for the police and soliders that I've met they have treated me with respect. Obviously I don't profess that they are all the same. But I suppose Toubab if you were a IC3 male working along the road of the Inner city under the age of 35 then you too may feel intimated when you are stopped and banged up in a cell for no reason.
Peace
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 20:42:19
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Sister there really is no comparison between UK and Gambia with the police. In UK we have a democracy with freedom of speech and the police are accountable.
In Gambia the police whip and beat people, starve them, give them no water....until they make a confession or not. All this sometimes for simply daring to walk on the beach!
UK is not perfect of course, but it is much better than the justice system of Gambia! |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 20:42:19
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Sister there really is no comparison between UK and Gambia with the police. In UK we have a democracy with freedom of speech and the police are accountable.
In Gambia the police whip and beat people, starve them, give them no water....until they make a confession or not. All this sometimes for simply daring to walk on the beach!
UK is not perfect of course, but it is much better than the justice system of Gambia! |
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Jack
Belgium
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 21:04:08
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Toubab,
Tourists are intimidated by the army. Just pass Denton Bridge at night with a rented car and with a white nose. Only 50 % chance you can pass without problems and paying bribery-money. I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. They treathened me to shoot me....for no reason. dd 7 february 2007.
Most of those brainless soldiers give a damn about tourist industry, they don't respect human rights, they don't even respect their own laws. The only law they know is misuse of power (and this is the same for almost everyone with a uniform in da Gambia)
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Jack
Belgium
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 21:04:08
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Toubab,
Tourists are intimidated by the army. Just pass Denton Bridge at night with a rented car and with a white nose. Only 50 % chance you can pass without problems and paying bribery-money. I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. They treathened me to shoot me....for no reason. dd 7 february 2007.
Most of those brainless soldiers give a damn about tourist industry, they don't respect human rights, they don't even respect their own laws. The only law they know is misuse of power (and this is the same for almost everyone with a uniform in da Gambia)
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 21:42:42
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| gambiabev, what the Gambian police are doing openly the british gov't and legislators are doing with their foreign aand immigration policies in camera. The Gambia and UK are indeed different |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 21:42:42
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| gambiabev, what the Gambian police are doing openly the british gov't and legislators are doing with their foreign aand immigration policies in camera. The Gambia and UK are indeed different |
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toubab
Gambia
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 09:52:54
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| This is what is so frustrating about this forum, any comments are always compared to whats going on in Europe, so whatever is happening with the Government, Police and Army here, its fine, because Europe is the same, so end of discussion! |
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