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Santanfara
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 Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 07:57:07
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we in the black communittee in England are at a crossroad .our youngsters are committing endless act of unnecessary acts violence.
i appeal to the african people living in England to participate in helping our youngsters understand their relevance in society .main stream media have already allianate this group of people and even the British prime minister only recommend tougher sentencing for this boys
we can help this boy by talking to them wherever we met them .in buses,train,shops market place,sport centres etc .one word can change a lot in turning one youngster from life of crime into self rehabilition .the wider public have some barrears but we can talk and act .
in this past week many social commentators have chepped in with endless suggestions but they have already forgotten about this people .
the problem of the trouble youngsters are not just specific to one issue but a varreities of issues .the main cause some are saying is single parenting and lack of parental guiding. what is clear is that this boys need help .the other factor that contribute to the lack of descipline is music and it's content .the portrayal of false life style and early sex life .so the areas we can take part is on the spot advice when we see this youngsrets doing things below their age limit ,example drinking,smoking,acts leading to violence, open saw of disrespect for the law and elders ,skepping school,imappropriate sexual display or conduct etc .by showing you care can have an effect on them. to cut a long story short just say some thing nice and polite .thank you
santanfara
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 13:14:46
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You are right, it is a very complex and difficult area to discuss. No quick fixes. But it does seem that for many teenage black and white working class boys, belonging to a gang fills an emotional gap for them. If the gang was modelled on the boy scouts it wouldnt be a problem, but sadly it is modelled on American and Jamacian culture.
'Get rich or die trying!' 'Respect' in the gang is for different things than respect in the community at large.
Why do these working class boys have this emotional gap and lack of guidance that makes the gang seem so attractive? Often it is the lack of decent male role models. If there is no dad, uncle or grandfather to take that role sometimes it used to be a teacher or youth worker, now sadly it seems more and more turn to the older gang members.
What life chances do these boys have? What opportunities do they have? If they get a good education then they can rise out of the situation, but often their schooling is poor and they are disaffected. It is very complex. If you don't believe you can achieve through the education route and get a good job then what is the alternative? The gang must look very attractive. An easy route to money and infamy.
They need to have good strong male role models. They need real good quality education opportunities and they need good job opportunities.
They need to be loved by a family, whether it is their own family or a foster or adopted family. Every child needs love. Love, time, to be respected and listened to and real life opportunities.
If we dont work this out, more kids will turn to gangs and drugs to fill the gap left by disintegrating families and poor education.
The time to start isnot when they are 14 or 15. Sadly then most peoples attitudes are formed. They time to start is when they a 3 or 4. They should learn to respect their parents and value their education. They should feel loved.
As the labour party policy says: 'every child matters'. We as a society need to REALLY mean that! |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 14:23:02
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i agree that past killings have shown a lack of respect for life, but i ask does it not start at home, some of the children do not have a sense of manners, it is not about money, the have phones, cd,ipods, latest trainers but no aim.
it is nto all about the films but a sense of self, home is were it starts |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 15:38:06
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It all revolves around history ,politics and misguided government interferrence of about 50 years ago,when the indiginious population of the UK didnt want to do what they considered low paid work, railways,Buses all wanted workers but were unwilling to pay proper wages so,lets go to Jamacia get some people there they want jobs and will work for low wages,no minium wages then! and so it came to pass,these workers who came were lovely people hard working and full of family values,and respect for law and order ,there is little doubt though that they were treated as second class citizens and not paid correctly,the second generation then grew up,but times had changed and values slipped,single mothers were encouraged to apply for council flats ( you remember those giant council complexes of the 60's?) the politicians of the day realised that this was a great way to have block votes for themselves,wouldn't you vote for the political party that gave you a flat for nothing because you were a single mum, of course you would,young men moved from flat to flat girl to girl,(yes more babies) but by this time jobs were getting harder and harder to find,the good family unit of the past had disappeared,the politicians gave out money as if there was no tomorrow to further their ends and the "baby father" had no feeling of resposibility for his babysomeone else was paying, I could go on,but I am going to put my protective clothing on now and keep my head down waiting for the "stuff" to hit the fan!!!!!! Opps...... here comes some now!!!!
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 15:49:56
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Originally posted by jambo
i agree that past killings have shown a lack of respect for life, but i ask does it not start at home, some of the children do not have a sense of manners, it is not about money, the have phones, cd,ipods, latest trainers but no aim.
it is nto all about the films but a sense of self, home is were it starts
Jambo,
I think it is lack of culture. We do not practice our culture here. The children are not exposed to the Gambian culture. Remember,when we say culture it is not only naming or burrial ceremonies or marriges. We have cultural workers in these countries, but do not engage them. We should make our children familier with the culture. Both the practical and theori. Cultural concumsion is good for all, according to research. It is good for the mind and soul.It is education too. A HEALTHY MIND IN A HEALTHY BODY(A.N.WHITEHEAD). This makes you look back to where you are coming from. Our children do not listen to us because the Hip-hpo and rap culture influense is rough. Children growing up here has no connection with the culture. Over the weekend the Gambian organisation in Stockholm had a session to mark the 42 ind.celiberations. There was a march pass but no culture at all. It is true we do march at home ,but the culture is more important. Most of us listen to Youssou Ndure and some other artists, this is not wrong, but try and bring more Gambians in it. We have good artists that we ourselves must promote otherwise they have no promotion. Those in the Regga and Hiphop or Rapp has a big competition. They want to come to Europe or US where there are thousands of grups in the same grene. My advise to them is to hold on to DUMADJULO and Mbalax. This is whatwe can and we do vvery well. One can then blend it afterwards. We have to bring the culture closer to the children by orginasing different workshops and seminars. This is one of the things I feel that might help.
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Edited by - Alhassan on 20 Feb 2007 15:56:26 |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 16:25:09
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| Alhassan, for some reason i don't think that Santanfara was thinking of MUSIC as a solution to the problem he was speaking of (and it is a widespread problem indeed, i see the consequences every day at work and/or in my neighbourhood, in either Moroccan, Turkish or Antillian groups). |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 16:38:35
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Originally posted by anna
Alhassan, for some reason i don't think that Santanfara was thinking of MUSIC as a solution to the problem he was speaking of (and it is a widespread problem indeed, i see the consequences every day at work and/or in my neighbourhood, in either Moroccan, Turkish or Antillian groups).
Anna,
It is important to be cultured. Culture is not only music. Don't you agree? I just mentioned it as an example. You red only the music side why not the interlectual side too. This is what I mean. Cultural consumsion does not apply to music only. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 17:46:54
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quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
You are right, it is a very complex and difficult area to discuss. No quick fixes. But it does seem that for many teenage black and white working class boys, belonging to a gang fills an emotional gap for them. If the gang was modelled on the boy scouts it wouldnt be a problem, but sadly it is modelled on American and Jamacian culture.'Get rich or die trying!' 'Respect' in the gang is for different things than respect in the community at large.
I think you should withdraw the statement highlighted above. Its discriminatory in singling them as the bad culture. |
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sankahjang
USA
78 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 18:14:08
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"IT TAKE A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD". This was the way it used to be. and during those days when the "villages" raise children, thing were not as bad as they are today. unfortunately, the intervention of the so called libral mindedness got rid of the "villages" that knows better how to raise a child. if parents are not allowed to desipline their children in their home, how would you expect them to do it outside?
However, the parents need to do more and be there for these young ones as early in thier lives as possible and help them to make right choices. this problem is in every culture, not only american and jamiacan. elders have to take stance and help us. |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 18:17:47
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Alhassan, i read your posting and all the other ones with interest, don't worry. I know this is a serious problem and all kinds of special programs seem to fail again and again!
To tell you the truth, i was just making this remark about your suggestion for African music because i suddenly remembered Santanfara stating on another forum that he never listened to music! |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 18:19:26
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i agree the "villages" use to mean community but with the dispersal of the community goes values.
when i grew up grandparetns were in reaching point of their children, but now it is different.
i also think the children are not stimulated, at school, there were school games, social clubs, youth centres, i did not grow up rich but grew up with a sense of value and belonging.
as for jamican and american culture    , blame the 
you fill in the blanks.
i do not agree. |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 18:21:47
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| Kondorong, i am sure Gambiabev didn't mean to insult any group - just as i didn't mean to stigmatise the Moroccan, Turkish or Antillian boys. It is just that in these groups the children often are most confused, 'hanging' as it were between two cultures and sometimes not feeling at home in either of them. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 19:57:59
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Sorry Jambo 'blame the...' I dont know what the blanks are? can you spell it out?
I won't withdraw my comments about American gang culture. The culture of guns and drugs are terrible. It has been IMPORTED to the UK via TV and music. I see signs of it starting to have influence in the Gambia: clothes, drugs, music, hanging on the streets. Guns are not a natural part of UK culture, but it is becoming that way for the youths in gangs. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 20:10:47
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Sorry Jambo 'blame the...' I dont know what the blanks are? can you spell it out?
I won't withdraw my comments about American gang culture. The culture of guns and drugs are terrible. It has been IMPORTED to the UK via TV and music. I see signs of it starting to have influence in the Gambia: clothes, drugs, music, hanging on the streets. Guns are not a natural part of UK culture, but it is becoming that way for the youths in gangs.
gambiabev,
I think I have a clue of what you are explaining here. The influence is not a possitive one as experience has shown. Even in Sweden here there are similar problems. When it comes to our own community, it is the concept og too much materia. Our children grow up with some very bad examples from home, who has no sense of life. They give false impression on the kids both at home and the diaspora.
The children live with these people sometimes and see the wrong way.
We have some job to do at our backyard I surpose. |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 20:30:57
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bev you do not have to know the blanks but you have picked to types of cultures that are black influenced. if i am mistaken so bit, but that is how i read it.
NO MATTER WHO INFLUENCES THEM IT IS OUR SOCIETY THAT ALLOWS IT. IT IS EASY TO BLAME OTHERS BUT WE CAN DO MORE.
RESPONSIBILITY STARTS AT HOME. IF THEY ARE BEING INFLUENCED BY THESE CULTURES THEN IT SHOULD BE TALKED ABOUT AND DEALT |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 21:06:20
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quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
Sorry Jambo 'blame the...' I dont know what the blanks are? can you spell it out?
I won't withdraw my comments about American gang culture. The culture of guns and drugs are terrible. It has been IMPORTED to the UK via TV and music. I see signs of it starting to have influence in the Gambia: clothes, drugs, music, hanging on the streets. Guns are not a natural part of UK culture, but it is becoming that way for the youths in gangs.
Sorry Bev
The gun was discovered by a Brit and to be more specif a Scot. You know what i mean since Britons dont agree on who is a British. |
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