| Author |
 Topic  |
|
gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
 Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 08:33:11
|
It doesnt matter who discovered the gun, though wouldnt the world be a better place without them?
Gang and gun culture is allowed to flurish when there is a moral vaccum. How as a society can we cure that problem? Remember these people in gangs will go on to reproduce, so with each passing generation the 'family' will become more removed from mainstream society, creating an underclass. Now we have that it is difficult to find a way back for these groups of people.
Sorry to be so pessimistic. I worry for the future of our young people. The gap between 'middle class society', which is carrying on pretty much the same, and the underclass is getting massive. |
 |
|
|
jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 09:42:20
|
for me it is still within the family, no matter where the bad influence came from do not allow inside your house. also i wouldlike to see more support for teachers who have to deal with the children everyday can you believe that some teachers cannot discipline a child because of "his rights" what rights i am not talking a caning, but respect for the teacher comes from the house |
|
|
|
mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 11:06:03
|
Its very cheerless the way lives is up to now days particular our youths and its very plangent to take a action's its a complexly because the speed of light we most go with but is that not at the same time awkward when we said we cant handle our kinds properly ? and this is accurate what is going on behind doors of some families, Parents are keeping themself busy and forgetting the most valuable ones .We should not forget the reason why we decided to bring them up .what can take the things a little easyer is to took them home time to time .i 've three kids 8-15 and i have no regret for doing so ,its a mentors to them the way to get the lives easy and that did not change them at all that they are living in the West but it was good the way they get the differences . and the other one was the community even if it is a small one but its good to show them that we our self are here but we being growing-up in another life style, that the unity is our life guard and that they have to understand to live in this two cultures. We most keep our duty so that they can understand us . one cant make other straight when your self are out of line .
May Allah keep us in straight line. |
|
|
|
kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 18:09:09
|
quote:
Originally posted by mbay
We most keep our duty so that they can understand us . one cant make other straight when your self are out of line .
yOU ARE RIGHT MBAY
Its human nature that we are quick to condemn others and overlook our own shortcomings. Like the mandinka say: KUNU KANTALA BUKA AYA JEH.
Majority of those who take up gang life are the ones who have neen left out by society, never cared for, never educated and because we all say its not my family, they grow up hating every memeber of society who failed them.
We cant give them health insurance education etc but we can feed them and even provide free health care in jail. Is that an irony. Its not because we cant help, but because we choose indifference and unwilling to be each others keeper. For every action there is an opposite reaction.
When society ceases to care for its own, then what should we expect. Some people had to be poor for others to be rich. Its that simple. We all cant be rich.
We talk about science education but some people had to be masons plumbers, carpenters to build the schools which will produce the scientists we need. So we should not look low upon these people.
Even Harvard, Yale, cambridge was built by masons sothat those schools can be what they are today. The culture of elitism is a major contributor to our problems which has discriminated against others and turned to such lives.
|
|
|
|
gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 20:06:52
|
Margaret Thatcher famously said there is no such thing as society.  
Of course, as a sociology student I disagree. Society is what makes us human and humane. It binds us and makes us think beyond individual selfish wants.
If there is no such thing as society (or the village), if there is only the individual, then we are free to do whatever it takes to get rich. But we all pay the price of that. We all suffer a poorer quality of life because of striving for material possessions whatever the social cost.
I judge a country by how it treats its weakest members, not how rich it's richest people are. America has a very harsh welfare system and has extremes of wealth and poverty. That is what the gang culture is born from. |
|
|
|
gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 20:13:02
|
Jambo, in the 50s and 60s family might of had the power to control its teenagers. My parents (2 of them at the time) controlled me, along with my grandparents and the local church and my school teachers. Sometimes it felt too constricting, but it kept me straight.
Now music, tv, internet all has a big influence. Then there are drugs and guns......
To blame individual parents seems very harsh and judgemental. With my daughters I didnt feel I had all the power to lay the law down. The power had shifted slightly. I am easy going as a parent and discuss things with my daughters. I don't hit them or punish them, but I try to express what I think a good life is. I want to keep them close to me, that way I still have some influence.
Being a parent is difficult. It is even more difficult being a lone parent. |
|
|
|
kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 20:13:26
|
quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
Margaret Thatcher famously said there is no such thing as society.
Of course, as a sociology student I disagree. Society is what makes us human and humane. It binds us and makes us think beyond individual selfish wants.
If there is no such thing as society (or the village), if there is only the individual, then we are free to do whatever it takes to get rich. But we all pay the price of that. We all suffer a poorer quality of life because of striving for material possessions whatever the social cost.
I judge a country by how it treats its weakest members, not how rich it's richest people are.
Cant agree more. If there is no society then why did she become Prime Minister. Was she a Prime Minister of societyless Britain. Big suprise indeed. She could only have been Prime Minister for herself not even her family because the family is a social group. So she represented no one but campaigned for the society to vote for her. What a contradiction. |
|
|
|
gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 20:33:16
|
Her philosophy caused alot of problems in the UK, some of which we are still reaping now. We have had a Labour government for ten years, but still we feel the influence of M.T.
Although I don't like Tony Blairs foreign policy, his domestic policy has it's heart in the right place. I do believe he cares and is trying to make things more equal. It isn't easy to over turn the damage done by conservative ideas. |
|
|
|
Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 20:59:10
|
bev and co ,you have made some very wonderful and though provoking comments here .i wish we can put the relevant ideas in a point order .the issues raised here are a reality .the youngsters feel they have no role model .no man to exercise any authority .the mother have firm hand up to a stage ,then this boys become man of the house.
i remember a couple of years ago when i was doing my driven lesson near an estate in london ,a mix race chid just came out holding a raw egg in his hand ,before i knew what was happening the egg landed on the car windsreen .i stop came out to asked him why ?he just walk off .i grab him by his collar ,sudenly a group appeard. then my insructor rush out telling me he is not happy with what i did .i told him ,this is my business ,let me sort it out. the chid later appologise . i told him i am not scared of his friend ,so he should never throw egg at people again. in reality i was nervous .this chid have no emotion ,they look straight into me .so we should all play our part.
the gun issue is mainly black boys but the other rude behaviour is all the teenagers. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
|
|
|
mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 22:33:09
|
She cant and shall not try to press the fact, have she forgotten that it was this very society that bought her in that stage ?
More over some of these people the so called VIP has lost the ground of the realty even though they knew that they cant live without these blotch societies.
bev. you are indeed right with your views in human/humane society's
Its like a tree without a roots or plants without enough watering.
We have no other choice but sticks to it.we are losing so many human nature and that very speeding tempor but we still have a chances holding on to some valuable of it.so lets us keep on trying, our time has past but these youth not and they are growing in a very haggled-piggledy world. the crying is already there, one have to only listing to them and if you cant give them what they want (help)then asks the others who can counsel you all, no body has all the best in this world and the magic word is one hand helps the other.
I am experiencing it with my daily life as a Father of a 15 yrs old girl.
quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
Margaret Thatcher famously said there is no such thing as society.
Of course, as a sociology student I disagree. Society is what makes us human and humane. It binds us and makes us think beyond individual selfish wants.
If there is no such thing as society (or the village), if there is only the individual, then we are free to do whatever it takes to get rich. But we all pay the price of that. We all suffer a poorer quality of life because of striving for material possessions whatever the social cost.
I judge a country by how it treats its weakest members, not how rich it's richest people are. America has a very harsh welfare system and has extremes of wealth and poverty. That is what the gang culture is born from.
|
|
|
|
kassma
334 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 07:15:45
|
quote:
Originally posted by Alhassan
Jambo,
I think it is lack of culture. We do not practice our culture here. The children are not exposed to the Gambian culture. Remember,when we say culture it is not only naming or burrial ceremonies or marriges. We have cultural workers in these countries, but do not engage them. We should make our children familier with the culture. Both the practical and theori. Cultural concumsion is good for all, according to research. It is good for the mind and soul.It is education too. A HEALTHY MIND IN A HEALTHY BODY(A.N.WHITEHEAD). This makes you look back to where you are coming from. Our children do not listen to us because the Hip-hpo and rap culture influense is rough. Children growing up here has no connection with the culture. Over the weekend the Gambian organisation in Stockholm had a session to mark the 42 ind.celiberations. There was a march pass but no culture at all. It is true we do march at home ,but the culture is more important. Most of us listen to Youssou Ndure and some other artists, this is not wrong, but try and bring more Gambians in it. We have good artists that we ourselves must promote otherwise they have no promotion. Those in the Regga and Hiphop or Rapp has a big competition. They want to come to Europe or US where there are thousands of grups in the same grene. My advise to them is to hold on to DUMADJULO and Mbalax. This is whatwe can and we do vvery well. One can then blend it afterwards. We have to bring the culture closer to the children by orginasing different workshops and seminars. This is one of the things I feel that might help.
What do you think?
if the kids don't know their own culture, its the parents fault, it seems that most gambian parents want their kids to anything but gambian so that they can show off (which is so shameful) that their kid is american or british, anything else but gambian. there are a lot of foolish african in the dispora neglecting to truly raise their children because "american la" or "domi america la" or "wa america la", nonsense!! |
|
|
|
jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 09:52:05
|
bev i agree you cannot lay down the law, but i am all for child learning the values of life, you mention how a country treates its weakest, i was brought up to say please and thank you and give my seat to someone older. i know you were taught the same but are these being taught today at home
look at schools i would like more power given to teachers and not the "child have rights element" |
|
|
|
Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
|
|
Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 13:34:11
|
quote:
Originally posted by kassma
if the kids don't know their own culture, its the parents fault, it seems that most gambian parents want their kids to anything but gambian so that they can show off (which is so shameful) that their kid is american or british, anything else but gambian. there are a lot of foolish african in the dispora neglecting to truly raise their children because "american la" or "domi america la" or "wa america la", nonsense!!
Kassma,
You are quite right in your statements. I have encountered the same where Gambians say my children are European or American children. It is sameful that some of the kids dont even speak their mothertoung. When in the Gambia, they cannot communicate with their relatives.I hope we shall engage in trying to make things better. |
|
|
|
mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 16:25:43
|
Not only that but also when you took them home at the first time they will took them as dummy because of the type of the educations they get here.
That's why the applique to those with possibility of taking them some time home or alike.
When one look at them with other kids at home the you can find out the hiatuses between them easly.
quote:
Originally posted by Alhassan
Kassma,
You are quite right in your statements. I have encountered the same where Gambians say my children are European or American children. It is sameful that some of the kids dont even speak their mothertoung. When in the Gambia, they cannot communicate with their relatives.I hope we shall engage in trying to make things better.
|
|
|
|
Topic |
|
Topic Locked
