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Dalton1
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 Posted - 13 Feb 2007 : 23:20:38
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MY DOUBTS NOW & FOR EVER.
Fellows,
The truth must be told. Most of us are Muslims or Christians. Most of us come from a society where traditional herbs are used to cure certain diseases. The same society has proclaimed marabous or witch doctors who time and again, used the name of God and the gods in an attempt to heal spiritually. This is nothing new in our society.
For example, believers of true Islam and according to a strong line of narration in the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (Peace & Love of God be upon him) that suratul fathiha (the opening chapter locally known as Bismillahi) is a cure to every disease. Though, this must be accompanied by true belief. The same applies to our Christian brethren. In less than a decade ago, born-again leader managed to gather people at the Buffer zone, Talinding-pretending to have inherited the powers of Esa Ibn Mariam (Jesus-Peace & Love of God be Upon him.) None of those people were healed. It was all false.
In our local tradition, the bitter neem tree has been used for a long time to cure Malaria; Lime leaves and fruits used for curing cold, cough, and so forth and so forth.
No one of us can truly doubt that there is healing power in the books of belief, as well in the trees in the forest. But Jammeh’s recent pronouncement must be condemned. I doubt that such a monstrous fellow would have achieved righteousness within such a short time-after he took innocent lives. The firing of the two journalists at the Daily Observer casts another doubt to our minds-those of us who doubt in what the poor administrator is claiming right now. It is certain that the campaign is coordinated, and they have something to hide. Could it be that he is trying to deflect attention on the atrocities committed by his poor administration-after he clearly witnessed the endings of Sadam, Taylor and others? Could it be that fetish Jammeh is consulting with devils now? “Baatuta” is magic, and has to do with Satan.
Shame on Sajar Taal, Momodou Sanyang, Mam Sait, RVTH’s Director and our health minister. They have proven beyond reasonable doubt that they are mere vehicle passengers, out to dance to the music of the Satan. Until the coordination campaign is shifted from the hands of such selfish Gambians and tested by faithful and honest doctors, I am of the opinion that the guy is suffering from ‘complexity’, ‘power intoxication’ and ‘desire for devil worship.” The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
What, perhaps is most disturbing is the lacking in privacy for these AIDS patients. How about heal them and not expose them openly everywhere? Something is strange in this! That something will be out sooner or later.
Yero, aog
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2007 : 12:55:02
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Dalton, I looked through this one (not now, but a loooong time ago):
http://www.amazon.com/Book-Sufi-Healing-Hakim-Chishti/dp/0892813245
http://www.google.co.uk/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=gd&q=%22Sufi+Healing%22&wxob=0
We all know as Dr. Thomas has pointed out, that neither I nor Yahya Jammeh has a medical degree - (or a license to practice medicine). At this stage his asthma cure which I have enough reason to begin to believe in, could be patented and, Dr. Thomas, with all that wonderful weather, it should be good for tourism.
The African world is a pantheistic one imbued with belief in the supernatural. In some of our pre-Islamic African religions, the living and the dead (ancestors) live in a community of fellowship and communication takes place between our world and the world of the ancestors ( I refer mainly to the Yoruba, and Yoruba notions of reincarnation, abiku, etc).Conversions to Christianity and Islam have not erased some of these traditional beliefs or the culture that sustains them. Although Islam has been successfully driving out shirk and superstition in our parts of Africa, superstition persists its superstition versus science, and superstition versus religion. The dividing line between belief in the unseen and the power and the reputation of the local charismatic Marabouts from Mauritania or Senegal, or the Walis from Mali or the non-Muslim medicine man is not always very clear. Since the believer believes that for the Almighty all things are possible and that the president or Marabout or charismatic Sheikh is an agent of that Almighty who operates within and beyond the laws of nature, of natural law within which scientists can experiment with cause and effect if Gods intervention (miracle) is beyond mans understanding, for both the most primitive man and us, how do you define superstition?
That was only a question and you dont have to answer it or consult a link before you move on with your eyes reading and comprehending is also a miracle, do you agree?
I do not doubt the sincerity of the Gambian presidents faith and good intentions.
You are surely going too far in your condemnation of Mr. President and these words and phrases of yours fetish Jammeh is consulting with devils now? Baatuta is magic, and has to do with Satan./ the Satan. desire for devil worship have no place in describing a Muslim leader, who believes strongly in the Almighty, who has been on Hajj, who believes in the Almighty and did say on Hezbollah TV:
I am not afraid of any power except the power of the Almighty Allah. And as long as I am sincere in what I do, and as long as I believe and put my fate and the destiny of the Gambian people in the hands of the Almighty Allah, I am not afraid of any power in this world.
http://www.memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S1
and by "any power of this world" ; I think that he means
" Satan/Iblis/ the devil" or even what Imam Khomeini (r.a.) used to call "the big and little Shaitan"
An example of Nahjul Balagha influnced logical sequence: Imam Khomeini(r.a ) at one time said " "America is worse than England, England is worse than America and the USSR worse than both".
No bull about an undistributed Middle.....
Speeches of Imam Khomeini
http://www.irib.ir/worldservice/imam/speech/Default.htm
An interesting article (for Gambians and Americans interested in the roots of Iranian ideology and ATTITUDE!
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/DI21Ak01.html
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Edited by - Cornelius on 14 Feb 2007 13:42:40 |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2007 : 12:55:02
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Dalton, I looked through this one (not now, but a loooong time ago):
http://www.amazon.com/Book-Sufi-Healing-Hakim-Chishti/dp/0892813245
http://www.google.co.uk/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=gd&q=%22Sufi+Healing%22&wxob=0
We all know as Dr. Thomas has pointed out, that neither I nor Yahya Jammeh has a medical degree - (or a license to practice medicine). At this stage his asthma cure which I have enough reason to begin to believe in, could be patented and, Dr. Thomas, with all that wonderful weather, it should be good for tourism.
The African world is a pantheistic one imbued with belief in the supernatural. In some of our pre-Islamic African religions, the living and the dead (ancestors) live in a community of fellowship and communication takes place between our world and the world of the ancestors ( I refer mainly to the Yoruba, and Yoruba notions of reincarnation, abiku, etc).Conversions to Christianity and Islam have not erased some of these traditional beliefs or the culture that sustains them. Although Islam has been successfully driving out shirk and superstition in our parts of Africa, superstition persists its superstition versus science, and superstition versus religion. The dividing line between belief in the unseen and the power and the reputation of the local charismatic Marabouts from Mauritania or Senegal, or the Walis from Mali or the non-Muslim medicine man is not always very clear. Since the believer believes that for the Almighty all things are possible and that the president or Marabout or charismatic Sheikh is an agent of that Almighty who operates within and beyond the laws of nature, of natural law within which scientists can experiment with cause and effect if Gods intervention (miracle) is beyond mans understanding, for both the most primitive man and us, how do you define superstition?
That was only a question and you dont have to answer it or consult a link before you move on with your eyes reading and comprehending is also a miracle, do you agree?
I do not doubt the sincerity of the Gambian presidents faith and good intentions.
You are surely going too far in your condemnation of Mr. President and these words and phrases of yours fetish Jammeh is consulting with devils now? Baatuta is magic, and has to do with Satan./ the Satan. desire for devil worship have no place in describing a Muslim leader, who believes strongly in the Almighty, who has been on Hajj, who believes in the Almighty and did say on Hezbollah TV:
I am not afraid of any power except the power of the Almighty Allah. And as long as I am sincere in what I do, and as long as I believe and put my fate and the destiny of the Gambian people in the hands of the Almighty Allah, I am not afraid of any power in this world.
http://www.memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S1
and by "any power of this world" ; I think that he means
" Satan/Iblis/ the devil" or even what Imam Khomeini (r.a.) used to call "the big and little Shaitan"
An example of Nahjul Balagha influnced logical sequence: Imam Khomeini(r.a ) at one time said " "America is worse than England, England is worse than America and the USSR worse than both".
No bull about an undistributed Middle.....
Speeches of Imam Khomeini
http://www.irib.ir/worldservice/imam/speech/Default.htm
An interesting article (for Gambians and Americans interested in the roots of Iranian ideology and ATTITUDE!
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/DI21Ak01.html
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Dalton1
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Posted - 14 Feb 2007 : 13:33:03
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Corne.
i didn't really follow your debate with Dr. Thomos. I don't even know what you are trying to imply with your mention of his name, twice in rejoinders to me. I am afraid you might be thinking too much or going beyond the ordinary contributors can comprehend , like you have always appeared to be in bantaba. Regards to my statement on "Batuta", i surely take responsibility of it, and will rejoin with explanation. The least links in your pieces, the better i can comprehend.
I will have you for lunch later on. Make yourself a good day.
Dalton. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2007 : 13:33:03
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quote:
Originally posted by Cornelius
Dalton, I looked through this one (not now, but a loooong time ago):
http://www.amazon.com/Book-Sufi-Healing-Hakim-Chishti/dp/0892813245
http://www.google.co.uk/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=gd&q=%22Sufi+Healing%22&wxob=0
We all know as Dr. Thomas has pointed out that neither I nor Yahya Jammeh has a medical degree - (or a license to practice medicine). At this stage his asthma cure which I have enough reason to begin to believe in, could be patented and, Dr. Thomas, with all that wonderful weather, should be good for tourism.
The African world is a pantheistic one imbued with belief in the supernatural. In some of our pre-Islamic African religions, the living and the dead (ancestors) live in a community of fellowship and communication takes place between out world and the world of the ancestors ( I refer mainly to the Yoruba, and Yoruba notions of reincarnation, abiku, etc).Conversions to Christianity and Islam have not erased some of these traditional beliefs or the culture that sustains them. Although Islam has been successfully driving out shirk and superstition in our parts of Africa, superstition persists ? it?s superstition versus science, and superstition versus religion. The dividing line between belief in the unseen and the power and the reputation of the local charismatic Marabouts from Mauritania or Senegal, or the Walis from Mali or the non-Muslim medicine man is not always very clear. Since the believer believes that for the Almighty all things are possible and that the president or Marabout or charismatic Sheikh is an agent of that Almighty who operates within and beyond the laws of nature, of natural law within which scientists can experiment with cause and effect ? if God?s intervention (miracle) is beyond man?s understanding, for both the most primitive man and us, how do you define superstition?
That was only a question and you don?t have to answer it or consult a link before you move on with your eyes ? reading and comprehending is also a miracle, do you agree?
I do not doubt the sincerity of the Gambian president?s faith and good intentions.
You are surely going too far in your condemnation of Mr. President and these words and phrases of yours ?fetish Jammeh is consulting with devils now? ?Baatuta? is magic, and has to do with Satan.?/ ?the Satan.? ?desire for devil worship? have no place in describing a Muslim leader, who believes in the Almighty, who has been on Hajj who believes in the Almighty who said on Hezbollah TV:
?I am not afraid of any power except the power of the Almighty Allah. And as long as I am sincere in what I do, and as long as I believe and put my fate and the destiny of the Gambian people in the hands of the Almighty Allah, I am not afraid of any power in this world.?
http://www.memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S1
and by "any power of this world" ; I think that he means
" Satan/Iblis/ the devil" or even what Iama Khomeini (r.a.) used to call "the big and little Shaitan"
An example of Nahjul Balagha influnced logical sequence: Imam Khomeini(r.a ) at one time said " "America is worse than England, England is worse than America and the USSR worse than both".
No bull about an undistributed Middle.....
Speeches of Imam Khomeini
http://www.irib.ir/worldservice/imam/speech/Default.htm
An interesting article (for Gambians and Americans interested in the roots of Iranian ideology and ATTITUDE!?
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/DI21Ak01.html
Corne.
i didn't really follow your debate with Dr. Thomos. I don't even know what you are trying to imply with your mention of his name, twice in rejoinders to me. I am afraid you might be thinking too much or going beyond the ordinary contributors can comprehend , like you have always appeared to be in bantaba. Regards to my statement on "Batuta", i surely take responsibility of it, and will rejoin with explanation. The least links in your pieces, the better i can comprehend.
I will have you for lunch later on. Make yourself a good day.
Dalton. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2007 : 14:46:19
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" Resist the devil and he will flee!"
Dalton,
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geuuVOCdNFygEAE4BXNyoA?p=%22+Resist+the+devil+and+he+will+flee%21%22&ei=UTF-8&x=wrt
BANTABA is a meeting place. If I spoke Mandinka, Wolof, Jola and Fullah, I wonder how Id come across with the same thoughts/ideas dressed up in a foreign language.
I keep a lot of company with Gambians. This evening Ill be meeting some Gambian brothers, Sam, Poe, David, and we get along very well with our sometimes boisterous agreements and disagreements. Today authu bilahi mina Shaitan ni rajim - I will table the subject of Yahya and the CURE.
David would like to send me as the head of the military contingent and commander-in-chief of the Brothers Liberation Organisation (the BLO) to redeem the oppressed victims of Khartoums genocide in Darfur.
Sam is cool and a Sheriff.
Poe is a Mandinka nationalist and thats why president Kabbah is my best friend in Sierra Leone an honourable Mandinka man and if you criticised Kabbah the way you do Jammeh, youd be my enemy and Id declare war on your tail
Demba Conta the most circumspect of any African that I know, admits that there are or may be crooks even among the Mandinka people.
I am not now only talking to you exclusively so please rid yourself of such an idea. In addressing any issue on Bantaba I am aiming a little beyond the immediate recipient of the direct message. I have a friend who looks in from time to time.
One thing that I cannot do except in fiction is to reinvent myself and present views other than my own to you, in words that may most delight you. Our differences may be bridged mostly by me approaching you or you approaching me as there is no clash of civilisations or backgrounds between us. If I am completely at home in Ghana or Nigeria, and I have no doubt of being ditto in the Gambia as I have kept all kinds of company in both , from top to tip, artists, actors, writers, governors, criminals, military and police personnel, crooks, youth corpers, musicians, priest, teachers, politicians, rich, poor & ugly ( laid)
Once again you stand over me in Scrutiny also the name of a now defunct literary Review magazine that Alpha Dumbuya an occasional mentor once introduced me to.
It is not everything that I read that I also comprehend and we have to admit that some (but not all) rubbish is incomprehensible and move on. If a Hindu lecturer poetically thought that the choirs of rainy season frogs sounded like the unambiguous chanting of the Smarta Brahmin priest, then I wonder what he would think of me trying to sound like Jack Mendelson - whose movie A Cantors Tale I saw a few weeks ago.
Von Bradshaw our English master at Prince of Wales school used to write on what was then called a blackboard , a Chinese proverb which says The House of Learning is one house.
It would perhaps profit you to read voraciously, expand your horizons a little over the River Gambia and you could continue your education by investigating this term : DISAMBIGUATION because we have to grow. We cant be kids forever. ****, when I was eighteen I was a big man, keeping the literary company of Andre Gide. Are you going to be bleating Ya-Ya for ever, like that guy in Do the Right Think permanently reminding us with one word, MALCOLM?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation
The on-going discussion about your president and Aids includes inputs by Dr. Thomas and I have dutifully (out of interest not compulsion) followed that debate up to date. It was not entirely a rejoinder to you. I am addressing an issue and you (YOU) are only a tiny part but in the context of Bantaba a significant part of it. I do feel free to think, to mention who and what I like in what I write.
There is much that you dont know Dalton. I know even less. Socrates said The only thing I know is that I dont know anything.
http://gaceta.cicese.mx/gaceta/81/thelieofsocrates.pdf
http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl201/modules/Philosophers/Socrates/socrates02.html
There is no link that says OPEN ME They are merely educational. There is no compulsion in religion or in opening links that I post.
My final advice to you is: skip the links and concentrate on the Qur'an.
I write in my language English which I studied at University and in which I am qualified and not by any means sub-standard. I can change gears to suit my audience in speech or writing.
I can write poetry too although not like you.
I am not responsible for your comprehension or even healing ability or lack of it.
I suggest a remedial reading and writing course for you. I have taught that at a Teacher Training College for one and half years, but how to do it on Bantaba?
Your suggestion pleases Dalton before you choke on Corn-on-the-cob and here is how to prepare your dinner:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Corn-on-the-cob&btnG=Search&meta=
PS: I didn't and haven't had a debate with any Dr. Thomas. |
Edited by - Cornelius on 14 Feb 2007 15:04:47 |
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Cornelius
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1051 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2007 : 14:46:19
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" Resist the devil and he will flee!"
Dalton,
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geuuVOCdNFygEAE4BXNyoA?p=%22+Resist+the+devil+and+he+will+flee%21%22&ei=UTF-8&x=wrt
BANTABA is a meeting place. If I spoke Mandinka, Wolof, Jola and Fullah, I wonder how Id come across with the same thoughts/ideas dressed up in a foreign language.
I keep a lot of company with Gambians. This evening Ill be meeting some Gambian brothers, Sam, Poe, David, and we get along very well with our sometimes boisterous agreements and disagreements. Today authu bilahi mina Shaitan ni rajim - I will table the subject of Yahya and the CURE.
David would like to send me as the head of the military contingent and commander-in-chief of the Brothers Liberation Organisation (the BLO) to redeem the oppressed victims of Khartoums genocide in Darfur.
Sam is cool and a Sheriff.
Poe is a Mandinka nationalist and thats why president Kabbah is my best friend in Sierra Leone an honourable Mandinka man and if you criticised Kabbah the way you do Jammeh, youd be my enemy and Id declare war on your tail
Demba Conta the most circumspect of any African that I know, admits that there are or may be crooks even among the Mandinka people.
I am not now only talking to you exclusively so please rid yourself of such an idea. In addressing any issue on Bantaba I am aiming a little beyond the immediate recipient of the direct message. I have a friend who looks in from time to time.
One thing that I cannot do except in fiction is to reinvent myself and present views other than my own to you, in words that may most delight you. Our differences may be bridged mostly by me approaching you or you approaching me as there is no clash of civilisations or backgrounds between us. If I am completely at home in Ghana or Nigeria, and I have no doubt of being ditto in the Gambia as I have kept all kinds of company in both , from top to tip, artists, actors, writers, governors, criminals, military and police personnel, crooks, youth corpers, musicians, priest, teachers, politicians, rich, poor & ugly ( laid)
Once again you stand over me in Scrutiny also the name of a now defunct literary Review magazine that Alpha Dumbuya an occasional mentor once introduced me to.
It is not everything that I read that I also comprehend and we have to admit that some (but not all) rubbish is incomprehensible and move on. If a Hindu lecturer poetically thought that the choirs of rainy season frogs sounded like the unambiguous chanting of the Smarta Brahmin priest, then I wonder what he would think of me trying to sound like Jack Mendelson - whose movie A Cantors Tale I saw a few weeks ago.
Von Bradshaw our English master at Prince of Wales school used to write on what was then called a blackboard , a Chinese proverb which says The House of Learning is one house.
It would perhaps profit you to read voraciously, expand your horizons a little over the River Gambia and you could continue your education by investigating this term : DISAMBIGUATION because we have to grow. We cant be kids forever. ****, when I was eighteen I was a big man, keeping the literary company of Andre Gide. Are you going to be bleating Ya-Ya for ever, like that guy in Do the Right Think permanently reminding us with one word, MALCOLM?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation
The on-going discussion about your president and Aids includes inputs by Dr. Thomas and I have dutifully (out of interest not compulsion) followed that debate up to date. It was not entirely a rejoinder to you. I am addressing an issue and you (YOU) are only a tiny part but in the context of Bantaba a significant part of it. I do feel free to think, to mention who and what I like in what I write.
There is much that you dont know Dalton. I know even less. Socrates said The only thing I know is that I dont know anything.
http://gaceta.cicese.mx/gaceta/81/thelieofsocrates.pdf
http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl201/modules/Philosophers/Socrates/socrates02.html
There is no link that says OPEN ME They are merely educational. There is no compulsion in religion or in opening links that I post.
My final advice to you is: skip the links and concentrate on the Qur'an.
I write in my language English which I studied at University and in which I am qualified and not by any means sub-standard. I can change gears to suit my audience in speech or writing.
I can write poetry too although not like you.
I am not responsible for your comprehension or even healing ability or lack of it.
I suggest a remedial reading and writing course for you. I have taught that at a Teacher Training College for one and half years, but how to do it on Bantaba?
Your suggestion pleases Dalton before you choke on Corn-on-the-cob and here is how to prepare your dinner:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Corn-on-the-cob&btnG=Search&meta=
PS: I didn't and haven't had a debate with any Dr. Thomas. |
Edited by - Cornelius on 14 Feb 2007 15:04:47 |
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dbaldeh
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Posted - 15 Feb 2007 : 00:56:44
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Cornelius, lot of respect to you and the resources you provide. I think though what brother Dalton is trying to explain is a valid point in the view point of a reader.
I have no doubt the resources/links you provide are informative, but sometimes the list you forward could amount to overload of information at one given point. Time is not a luxury to our present generation. With the type of schedule and tasks people have, they can only read so much at any given time.
Correct me if am wrong, your goal is for readers on the Bantaba to make good use of the resources you provide otherwise you may be wasting your valuable time trying to provide these resouces.
Anyway, to mediate between you and brother Dalton, I think many readers will support his view point that the resources tend to be too much to handle sometimes. Not because people are not interested but simply becuase they don't have ample time in their hands. I am sometimes guilty of writing too much and I know this... More is not always better. Keep up the good work..
Note: I almost think that you are probably in Africa now where people have too much time in their hands to do anything. If that is the case then power to you. Use your brain or lose it and that is a good example... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 15 Feb 2007 : 00:56:44
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Cornelius, lot of respect to you and the resources you provide. I think though what brother Dalton is trying to explain is a valid point in the view point of a reader.
I have no doubt the resources/links you provide are informative, but sometimes the list you forward could amount to overload of information at one given point. Time is not a luxury to our present generation. With the type of schedule and tasks people have, they can only read so much at any given time.
Correct me if am wrong, your goal is for readers on the Bantaba to make good use of the resources you provide otherwise you may be wasting your valuable time trying to provide these resouces.
Anyway, to mediate between you and brother Dalton, I think many readers will support his view point that the resources tend to be too much to handle sometimes. Not because people are not interested but simply becuase they don't have ample time in their hands. I am sometimes guilty of writing too much and I know this... More is not always better. Keep up the good work..
Note: I almost think that you are probably in Africa now where people have too much time in their hands to do anything. If that is the case then power to you. Use your brain or lose it and that is a good example... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 15 Feb 2007 : 01:26:05
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quote:
Originally posted by dbaldeh
Cornelius, lot of respect to you and the resources you provide. I think though what brother Dalton is trying to explain is a valid point in the view point of a reader.
I have no doubt the resources/links you provide are informative, but sometimes the list you forward could amount to overload of information at one given point. Time is not a luxury to our present generation. With the type of schedule and tasks people have, they can only read so much at any given time.
Correct me if am wrong, your goal is for readers on the Bantaba to make good use of the resources you provide otherwise you may be wasting your valuable time trying to provide these resouces.
Anyway, to mediate between you and brother Dalton, I think many readers will support his view point that the resources tend to be too much to handle sometimes. Not because people are not interested but simply becuase they don't have ample time in their hands. I am sometimes guilty of writing too much and I know this... More is not always better. Keep up the good work..
Note: I almost think that you are probably in Africa now where people have too much time in their hands to do anything. If that is the case then power to you. Use your brain or lose it and that is a good example...
Mawdo Demba,
I had cornbread for lunch, so i am completely full right now.
I think our respected corne. is of the old school.
I will engage him by the weekend.
later,
Dalton
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 15 Feb 2007 : 01:26:05
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Mawdo Demba,
I had cornbread for lunch, so i am completely full right now.
I think our respected corne. is of the old school.
I will engage him by the weekend.
later,
Dalton
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 15 Feb 2007 : 01:35:19
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(Courtesy of AllAfrica)
Gambia: President's Aids Cure Raising More Questions Than Answers
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February 12, 2007
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Banjul
An unsubstantiated but well-publicised claim by The Gambia's President Yahya Jammeh that he can cure AIDS risks setting back efforts to stop the virus from spreading in the tiny West Africa nation and the region, campaigners warn.
Speaking to an audience of hospital workers, AIDS activists, and diplomats in mid-January, Jammeh announced that he had "perfected a treatment for the AIDS virus" using herbs.
Patients would be cured within days, he promised.
Gambia's Minister of Health, Tamsir Mbowe has confirmed that the first 10 reportedly HIV-infected patients began receiving the treatment at the end of January.
His department has released several statements saying that the health of patients has improved, that their immune systems are stronger and that in some patients, the virus was no longer detectable.
Patients purportedly healed have appeared regularly on state-run television.
The cure's secret ingredients according to Mbowe are Jammeh's "family knowledge of traditional medicine" and "the teachings of the holy Koran."
Sceptics at home
Jammeh's claim has won admiration from some. "A man in his position of authority wouldn't pretend to treat something that he can't treat," said Ousmane Sanusey, a school teacher in Banjul.
But for Sam Sarr, editor-in-chief of the Foroyaa newspaper in Banjul, the claim is dangerous until it is substantiated.
"A lot of people are sceptical, they have doubts, especially in urban areas," Sarr said. "In a society where a lot of people are fetishists, their lack of knowledge leads them to believe that the president used supernatural powers to find a cure."
An editorial in Foroyaa warned that Jammeh's claim could be a threat to the fight against AIDS in The Gambia, where the HIV/AIDS prevalence rate is estimated at 2.1 percent.
It could also set back campaigns to raise awareness that are funded by the World Bank and the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria.
Domestic criticism muted
Sarr is one of only a handful of prominent Gambians willing to publicly question the president's cure.
Since Jammeh came to power in 1993, human rights groups say that freedom of expression has been increasingly stifled in the tiny West African country, and criticisms of the president are rare.
Asked to give a medical evaluation of the cure, a Gambian doctor refused saying: "In the current political climate, I could lose my business." The doctor requested anonymity and refused to publicly or privately denounce the claim.
For Demba Ali Jawo, former president of the Gambia Press Union, the international community's response is key.
"It is extremely necessary for the World Health Organisation (WHO) and the international community to come to the rescue of the Gambian AIDS patients, who may be given false hopes and made to believe that they had been cured of the infection while they are not," he said in an interview with a local newspaper WHEN.
International community silent
The international community is waiting for proof before it makes a judgement on Jammeh's cure.
"We are working on a coordinated response by the UN system," an official with the United Nations Joint Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS) said, adding that UNAIDS hoped to release a statement in the coming days.
An expert with WHO noted that international organisations were having difficulty obtaining relevant information from Gambian authorities. "We have asked to visit the laboratory to see how the treatment works but have had no response from the department of health," the official, who asked to speak anonymously said.
"We also asked the Gambia Radio and Television Services (GRTS) to provide us with a copy of the broadcast of the treatment being administered to patients but have received no response," said the WHO official.
But regional NGOs have shown less reticence. "His claim is of a divine nature and does not have any scientific basis, so it cannot be taken seriously," said Bede Eziefule, executive director at the Centre for Right to Health in Nigeria.
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Ibrahim Umoro, a peer educator working for an international NGO in Nigeria said the claim is an "insult to the medical profession" and an "insult to Africans".
"The Gambian President and his Minister should not be allowed to spread their ignorance to compound the problem that has defied a solution for so long," Umoro said.
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(Courtesy of AllAfrica)
Gambia: President's Aids Cure Raising More Questions Than Answers
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UN Integrated Regional Information Networks
February 12, 2007
Posted to the web February 12, 2007
Banjul
An unsubstantiated but well-publicised claim by The Gambia's President Yahya Jammeh that he can cure AIDS risks setting back efforts to stop the virus from spreading in the tiny West Africa nation and the region, campaigners warn.
Speaking to an audience of hospital workers, AIDS activists, and diplomats in mid-January, Jammeh announced that he had "perfected a treatment for the AIDS virus" using herbs.
Patients would be cured within days, he promised.
Gambia's Minister of Health, Tamsir Mbowe has confirmed that the first 10 reportedly HIV-infected patients began receiving the treatment at the end of January.
His department has released several statements saying that the health of patients has improved, that their immune systems are stronger and that in some patients, the virus was no longer detectable.
Patients purportedly healed have appeared regularly on state-run television.
The cure's secret ingredients according to Mbowe are Jammeh's "family knowledge of traditional medicine" and "the teachings of the holy Koran."
Sceptics at home
Jammeh's claim has won admiration from some. "A man in his position of authority wouldn't pretend to treat something that he can't treat," said Ousmane Sanusey, a school teacher in Banjul.
But for Sam Sarr, editor-in-chief of the Foroyaa newspaper in Banjul, the claim is dangerous until it is substantiated.
"A lot of people are sceptical, they have doubts, especially in urban areas," Sarr said. "In a society where a lot of people are fetishists, their lack of knowledge leads them to believe that the president used supernatural powers to find a cure."
An editorial in Foroyaa warned that Jammeh's claim could be a threat to the fight against AIDS in The Gambia, where the HIV/AIDS prevalence rate is estimated at 2.1 percent.
It could also set back campaigns to raise awareness that are funded by the World Bank and the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria.
Domestic criticism muted
Sarr is one of only a handful of prominent Gambians willing to publicly question the president's cure.
Since Jammeh came to power in 1993, human rights groups say that freedom of expression has been increasingly stifled in the tiny West African country, and criticisms of the president are rare.
Asked to give a medical evaluation of the cure, a Gambian doctor refused saying: "In the current political climate, I could lose my business." The doctor requested anonymity and refused to publicly or privately denounce the claim.
For Demba Ali Jawo, former president of the Gambia Press Union, the international community's response is key.
"It is extremely necessary for the World Health Organisation (WHO) and the international community to come to the rescue of the Gambian AIDS patients, who may be given false hopes and made to believe that they had been cured of the infection while they are not," he said in an interview with a local newspaper WHEN.
International community silent
The international community is waiting for proof before it makes a judgement on Jammeh's cure.
"We are working on a coordinated response by the UN system," an official with the United Nations Joint Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS) said, adding that UNAIDS hoped to release a statement in the coming days.
An expert with WHO noted that international organisations were having difficulty obtaining relevant information from Gambian authorities. "We have asked to visit the laboratory to see how the treatment works but have had no response from the department of health," the official, who asked to speak anonymously said.
"We also asked the Gambia Radio and Television Services (GRTS) to provide us with a copy of the broadcast of the treatment being administered to patients but have received no response," said the WHO official.
But regional NGOs have shown less reticence. "His claim is of a divine nature and does not have any scientific basis, so it cannot be taken seriously," said Bede Eziefule, executive director at the Centre for Right to Health in Nigeria.
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West Africa
Gambia
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Ibrahim Umoro, a peer educator working for an international NGO in Nigeria said the claim is an "insult to the medical profession" and an "insult to Africans".
"The Gambian President and his Minister should not be allowed to spread their ignorance to compound the problem that has defied a solution for so long," Umoro said.
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Cornelius
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Posted - 15 Feb 2007 : 02:08:04
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BALDEH,
All the points you make are taken in good faith.
You may be speaking on behalf of yourself and a fair number of Bantaba people. However since I chose to support what I have to say with links and I am the one who determines what I want to get across ( and not your editorialising intrusiveness) , I could have said I'm afraid that you will either gently hop over any and all links or simply delete .Next you will teach me how to write an epic poem or novel or play a long, short, nice, wicked , beautiful, angry, lyrical, romantic, jazzy, sembene guitar solo instead of playing it yourself etc etc.
It's true - and it's been observed that Africans tend to write poetry - because of a time factor - and poetry can be telegrammic. The last poets said Be bop or be dead
Feel free. My contemporaries are not here.
AS to your PS in which you "almost think that" I am "probably in Africa now where people have too much time in their hands to do anything" You could be further from the truth than by the couple of thousand miles away to where I am in our study in Bromma, in Stockholm, Sweden
And I have my daily studying to do. And writing, and updating my dairies, and keeping abreast with the great African music - especially guitar music.
Since TORAH STUDY and other devotions are infinitely more satisfying - and rewarding than hanging out here with you, I am hereby now cutting out so dont expect any further posting or postings from me- no matter what you say. I also have more important things to attend to, even books to read, scripts to write, prayers and songs to compose.
It's not a difficult thing for me to go. I should say that I am considerably less attached to your Bantaba and the Gambia than I am to Sierra Leone, considering the life I lived there, the friends that I had and still have there, the people I know there in Sierra Leone & Diaspora - in Ghana and Nigeria - the beaches, hills, mountains, dales, rivers, forests - you know I haven't been in Sierra Leone since between March 27th to 8th of April 1970 and I repeat I am infinitely less attached to Bantaba and will not be missing much - although Ill look in from time to time to see how you are doing.
I follow and occasionally post on the Leonenet
http://www.research.umbc.edu/~leoneadm/
(Sierra Leone Forum). As an honourable YORUBA MAN, I am always welcome to Nigerian Forums (the discussions on Nigerian Sharia law were most interesting some years ago) and as one related to the TAGOES (Ga)- as one who learned much in Ghana, I feel at home with Ghanaians and will be actively participating in Ghanaian Forums. What about Jamaica? You bet that I will be showing up there very soon, and then theres my own blog OUR CHALLENGE to attend to.
(But most importantly, I'll really get into our Israeli Forums seriously and start writing articles, opinions, as best I can quite another understanding and wavelength and of course there, nobody like you, Dalton, etc or a Gambiebev is going to start asking me what is my motive for being in any of those Forums, discussion groups etc.
I have learned a lot at Bantaba and as they say, its time to move on!
To you, I say: Keep on keeping on. And May the Almighty help, guide, protect and bless the people of the Gambia, Amen! |
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Cornelius
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Posted - 15 Feb 2007 : 02:08:04
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BALDEH,
All the points you make are taken in good faith.
You may be speaking on behalf of yourself and a fair number of Bantaba people. However since I chose to support what I have to say with links and I am the one who determines what I want to get across ( and not your editorialising intrusiveness) , I could have said I'm afraid that you will either gently hop over any and all links or simply delete .Next you will teach me how to write an epic poem or novel or play a long, short, nice, wicked , beautiful, angry, lyrical, romantic, jazzy, sembene guitar solo instead of playing it yourself etc etc.
It's true - and it's been observed that Africans tend to write poetry - because of a time factor - and poetry can be telegrammic. The last poets said Be bop or be dead
Feel free. My contemporaries are not here.
AS to your PS in which you "almost think that" I am "probably in Africa now where people have too much time in their hands to do anything" You could be further from the truth than by the couple of thousand miles away to where I am in our study in Bromma, in Stockholm, Sweden
And I have my daily studying to do. And writing, and updating my dairies, and keeping abreast with the great African music - especially guitar music.
Since TORAH STUDY and other devotions are infinitely more satisfying - and rewarding than hanging out here with you, I am hereby now cutting out so dont expect any further posting or postings from me- no matter what you say. I also have more important things to attend to, even books to read, scripts to write, prayers and songs to compose.
It's not a difficult thing for me to go. I should say that I am considerably less attached to your Bantaba and the Gambia than I am to Sierra Leone, considering the life I lived there, the friends that I had and still have there, the people I know there in Sierra Leone & Diaspora - in Ghana and Nigeria - the beaches, hills, mountains, dales, rivers, forests - you know I haven't been in Sierra Leone since between March 27th to 8th of April 1970 and I repeat I am infinitely less attached to Bantaba and will not be missing much - although Ill look in from time to time to see how you are doing.
I follow and occasionally post on the Leonenet
http://www.research.umbc.edu/~leoneadm/
(Sierra Leone Forum). As an honourable YORUBA MAN, I am always welcome to Nigerian Forums (the discussions on Nigerian Sharia law were most interesting some years ago) and as one related to the TAGOES (Ga)- as one who learned much in Ghana, I feel at home with Ghanaians and will be actively participating in Ghanaian Forums. What about Jamaica? You bet that I will be showing up there very soon, and then theres my own blog OUR CHALLENGE to attend to.
(But most importantly, I'll really get into our Israeli Forums seriously and start writing articles, opinions, as best I can quite another understanding and wavelength and of course there, nobody like you, Dalton, etc or a Gambiebev is going to start asking me what is my motive for being in any of those Forums, discussion groups etc.
I have learned a lot at Bantaba and as they say, its time to move on!
To you, I say: Keep on keeping on. And May the Almighty help, guide, protect and bless the people of the Gambia, Amen! |
Edited by - Cornelius on 15 Feb 2007 02:56:24 |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 15 Feb 2007 : 12:51:47
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"(But most importantly, I'll really get into our Israeli Forums ? seriously ? and start writing articles, opinions, as best I can ? quite another understanding and wavelength ? and of course there, nobody like you, Dalton, etc or a Gambiebev is going to start asking me what is my motive for being in any of those Forums, discussion groups etc."-Uncle Corne.
You seem to be in high moods to go. Your motive to stay or leave shouldn't be influenced by anyone of us. We are all just merely contributors or readers just like you-so ordinary that we shouldn't influence your go. You've been a great contributor filling the heads of younger ones with baggage of links, rather important but lenthy.
Regarding the anwer you requested about "Batuta"-i am sure you might have figured out what the word means in our local languages. it means magic, or some devilish thing.
follow links
www.raaki.com, and let me know what you think after you watch the clips on Jammeh's cure of Aids.
I had you for breakfast. Make your self a good day.
Dalton.
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