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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 15:09:31
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There seems to be a wind of change blowing through the NIA since the arrival of the veteran intelligence chief Pa Jallow. Weeks ago some operatives were sacked, directorates dissolved and now this:http://www.observer.gm/enews/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6770&Itemid=33
I hope this wind of change not only blows clean the soiled NIA but the entire Gov't apparatus. A change for the better. Characterised by a TRUTH and RECONCILIATION COMMISSION, a commission that would look into among other things, the deaths of Koro Ceesay, Deyda Hydara, School children, shooting of Lawyer Sillah, the sacking of many many civil servants etc etc
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bread man
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 15:55:53
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| your hope of the wind of change sweeping the entire govīt apparatus does not represent the more than 60% that resently voted this govīt into office. We have seen what we are satisfied with, thatīs why we voted them in. It is of course within your democratic right to oppose, but it will also be right to crisize objectively. There is no evidence to this murder allegation. This people you mentioned were good servants of the nation and their untimely deaths is a regret to all of us. The sacked civil servants were employed to serve the nation and if they fail to do so they are to be replaced. What ever it takes to get the job done shall be done even if it mean sacking some senior civil servants. Who is talking about our new roads, hospitals, schools, electric power generators etc. The building of a nation starts with educated and healthy population, with the power to move from place to place. You no doubt understand that energy is also a basic foundation of development and the govīt is working very hard on that. |
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bread man
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 15:55:53
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| your hope of the wind of change sweeping the entire govīt apparatus does not represent the more than 60% that resently voted this govīt into office. We have seen what we are satisfied with, thatīs why we voted them in. It is of course within your democratic right to oppose, but it will also be right to crisize objectively. There is no evidence to this murder allegation. This people you mentioned were good servants of the nation and their untimely deaths is a regret to all of us. The sacked civil servants were employed to serve the nation and if they fail to do so they are to be replaced. What ever it takes to get the job done shall be done even if it mean sacking some senior civil servants. Who is talking about our new roads, hospitals, schools, electric power generators etc. The building of a nation starts with educated and healthy population, with the power to move from place to place. You no doubt understand that energy is also a basic foundation of development and the govīt is working very hard on that. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 17:27:20
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Originally posted by bread man
your hope of the wind of change sweeping the entire govīt apparatus does not represent the more than 60% that resently voted this govīt into office. We have seen what we are satisfied with, thatīs why we voted them in. It is of course within your democratic right to oppose, but it will also be right to crisize objectively. There is no evidence to this murder allegation. This people you mentioned were good servants of the nation and their untimely deaths is a regret to all of us. The sacked civil servants were employed to serve the nation and if they fail to do so they are to be replaced. What ever it takes to get the job done shall be done even if it mean sacking some senior civil servants. Who is talking about our new roads, hospitals, schools, electric power generators etc. The building of a nation starts with educated and healthy population, with the power to move from place to place. You no doubt understand that energy is also a basic foundation of development and the govīt is working very hard on that.
BREADMAN,
Hold it a minute! Don't think that i have missed the country for so long. I have been priviledged to have worked with both the Jawara and Jammeh gov'ts in many capacities. I have a very clear conscience that i have contributed my quota to the development of the motherland. I have posted articles in the past here in which i acknowledge the positives both Jawara and Jammeh had made, notwithstanding they have also made monumental mistakes. Jammeh and Jawara are, human, mere mortals, Gambians, public servants therefore they are not above criticism. Many a Gambian like myself have no other place to call home except The Gambia, even if am a British Passport Holder or an American Passport Holder.
The wind of change am talking about means, bringing in positive chnages. even Jammeh would agree with me that it is not all not rosy with The Gambia and his gov't. The deaths of Koro, Sadibu, school children etc are torns in the flesh of Jammeh and the APRC gov't. So to sweep these under the carpet does not augur well for the CEO of the APRC President Jammeh. To give his gov't more credility , it is in his interest that more light is shed on these deaths. If the gov't has nothing to hide, and means well for the Gambia and Jammeh means TO FORGIVE AND BE FORGIVEN then a TRUTH AND RECONCILAITION COMMISSION is the BEDROCK as has happened in South Africa and Ghana.
Jammeh's gov't has done wonders in Education, Health, Communication(road networks)but has registered BIG FAILURES in the following; AGRICULTURE, ENERGY, GOVERNANCE and PRESS freedom. Jammeh alone is not responsible for these failures but since he is the Captain of the Ship of State we all look to him for answers.
BREAD, my brother i mean well for the Gambia. I am Gambian like you , i habour no personal grudges againast Jammeh or any body in particular all am interested in is the Gambia to be amongst the best in the world. I stop here for a while. THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 17:27:20
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Originally posted by bread man
your hope of the wind of change sweeping the entire govīt apparatus does not represent the more than 60% that resently voted this govīt into office. We have seen what we are satisfied with, thatīs why we voted them in. It is of course within your democratic right to oppose, but it will also be right to crisize objectively. There is no evidence to this murder allegation. This people you mentioned were good servants of the nation and their untimely deaths is a regret to all of us. The sacked civil servants were employed to serve the nation and if they fail to do so they are to be replaced. What ever it takes to get the job done shall be done even if it mean sacking some senior civil servants. Who is talking about our new roads, hospitals, schools, electric power generators etc. The building of a nation starts with educated and healthy population, with the power to move from place to place. You no doubt understand that energy is also a basic foundation of development and the govīt is working very hard on that.
BREADMAN,
Hold it a minute! Don't think that i have missed the country for so long. I have been priviledged to have worked with both the Jawara and Jammeh gov'ts in many capacities. I have a very clear conscience that i have contributed my quota to the development of the motherland. I have posted articles in the past here in which i acknowledge the positives both Jawara and Jammeh had made, notwithstanding they have also made monumental mistakes. Jammeh and Jawara are, human, mere mortals, Gambians, public servants therefore they are not above criticism. Many a Gambian like myself have no other place to call home except The Gambia, even if am a British Passport Holder or an American Passport Holder.
The wind of change am talking about means, bringing in positive chnages. even Jammeh would agree with me that it is not all not rosy with The Gambia and his gov't. The deaths of Koro, Sadibu, school children etc are torns in the flesh of Jammeh and the APRC gov't. So to sweep these under the carpet does not augur well for the CEO of the APRC President Jammeh. To give his gov't more credility , it is in his interest that more light is shed on these deaths. If the gov't has nothing to hide, and means well for the Gambia and Jammeh means TO FORGIVE AND BE FORGIVEN then a TRUTH AND RECONCILAITION COMMISSION is the BEDROCK as has happened in South Africa and Ghana.
Jammeh's gov't has done wonders in Education, Health, Communication(road networks)but has registered BIG FAILURES in the following; AGRICULTURE, ENERGY, GOVERNANCE and PRESS freedom. Jammeh alone is not responsible for these failures but since he is the Captain of the Ship of State we all look to him for answers.
BREAD, my brother i mean well for the Gambia. I am Gambian like you , i habour no personal grudges againast Jammeh or any body in particular all am interested in is the Gambia to be amongst the best in the world. I stop here for a while. THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 20:26:49
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Madiba and bread man,
The temptation to respond is higher than any resistance to ignor your exchange. As usual no offence, no sides. To start with bread man. The 60% of votes you and others take reference of is most misleading. That is not representting the total registered voters. some dull games would have been played to bar several voters from casting at all. I would prefer if we scale down the amount of emphasis laid on this dubious 60+%. It is not true that even 50 percent of Gambia's enlightened voters ever cast for Jammeh. His intention and sole ambition was/is to generate figures. He's got it and that's all.
Madis, the sector where Jammeh fails most miserable is Education. Do not be carried by the volume of school classrooms but rather by the value and standard of education generated. If the last exams results can be anything to go by, the Jammeh regime achieved great failure. You can use that barameter to measure others sectors. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 20:26:49
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Madiba and bread man,
The temptation to respond is higher than any resistance to ignor your exchange. As usual no offence, no sides. To start with bread man. The 60% of votes you and others take reference of is most misleading. That is not representting the total registered voters. some dull games would have been played to bar several voters from casting at all. I would prefer if we scale down the amount of emphasis laid on this dubious 60+%. It is not true that even 50 percent of Gambia's enlightened voters ever cast for Jammeh. His intention and sole ambition was/is to generate figures. He's got it and that's all.
Madis, the sector where Jammeh fails most miserable is Education. Do not be carried by the volume of school classrooms but rather by the value and standard of education generated. If the last exams results can be anything to go by, the Jammeh regime achieved great failure. You can use that barameter to measure others sectors. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 20:48:11
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Originally posted by Karamba
Madiba and bread man,
The temptation to respond is higher than any resistance to ignor your exchange. As usual no offence, no sides. To start with bread man. The 60% of votes you and others take reference of is most misleading. That is not representting the total registered voters. some dull games would have been played to bar several voters from casting at all. I would prefer if we scale down the amount of emphasis laid on this dubious 60+%. It is not true that even 50 percent of Gambia's enlightened voters ever cast for Jammeh. His intention and sole ambition was/is to generate figures. He's got it and that's all.
Madis, the sector where Jammeh fails most miserable is Education. Do not be carried by the volume of school classrooms but rather by the value and standard of education generated. If the last exams results can be anything to go by, the Jammeh regime achieved great failure. You can use that barameter to measure others sectors.
Karamba, thanks for the intervention. I have been reading you and impressed often by what i read. You have opened up a new chapter which i invite all to kindly contribute, that's poor performances at WASSCE or local exams. My observation is that if my memeory serves me right, the 1988 new education policy was tasked to provide provide a RELEVANT and ACCESSIBLE Education for All. Amongst the ingredients to achieve that, it was necessary to put in the basic infrastrcuture, which is building schools facilitated by loans from the world bank, African Dev bank. Besides the infrastructure there was and is still capacity building components such as increased number of intakes at the gambia college on teacher training and university training for DoSE staff across the sectors. Gov't has done their bit , the other chunk is for us Gambians to come in. Nowadays hardly you see some one in lower school aspiring to be a teacher. Its is looked low upon these days. So it is often a last resort. When there is nothing else left on offer , i take it. So the quality of trainee teachers that get into the college is low, so when they come out of college they are most often low quality teachers. These low quality teachers get into the system and deliver the little they know conseqently our children couple wit other distractions such as video clubs, sunday beach parties, nerves syndrome etc fail their exams miserably. I STOP HERE FOR NOW. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 20:48:11
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Originally posted by Karamba
Madiba and bread man,
The temptation to respond is higher than any resistance to ignor your exchange. As usual no offence, no sides. To start with bread man. The 60% of votes you and others take reference of is most misleading. That is not representting the total registered voters. some dull games would have been played to bar several voters from casting at all. I would prefer if we scale down the amount of emphasis laid on this dubious 60+%. It is not true that even 50 percent of Gambia's enlightened voters ever cast for Jammeh. His intention and sole ambition was/is to generate figures. He's got it and that's all.
Madis, the sector where Jammeh fails most miserable is Education. Do not be carried by the volume of school classrooms but rather by the value and standard of education generated. If the last exams results can be anything to go by, the Jammeh regime achieved great failure. You can use that barameter to measure others sectors.
Karamba, thanks for the intervention. I have been reading you and impressed often by what i read. You have opened up a new chapter which i invite all to kindly contribute, that's poor performances at WASSCE or local exams. My observation is that if my memeory serves me right, the 1988 new education policy was tasked to provide provide a RELEVANT and ACCESSIBLE Education for All. Amongst the ingredients to achieve that, it was necessary to put in the basic infrastrcuture, which is building schools facilitated by loans from the world bank, African Dev bank. Besides the infrastructure there was and is still capacity building components such as increased number of intakes at the gambia college on teacher training and university training for DoSE staff across the sectors. Gov't has done their bit , the other chunk is for us Gambians to come in. Nowadays hardly you see some one in lower school aspiring to be a teacher. Its is looked low upon these days. So it is often a last resort. When there is nothing else left on offer , i take it. So the quality of trainee teachers that get into the college is low, so when they come out of college they are most often low quality teachers. These low quality teachers get into the system and deliver the little they know conseqently our children couple wit other distractions such as video clubs, sunday beach parties, nerves syndrome etc fail their exams miserably. I STOP HERE FOR NOW. |
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kondorong
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4380 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 21:33:46
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Madiba
You are right. I was a teacher myself. Perhaps it should be attractive to be a teacher. Some problems with teaching are: low pay; remoteness and few incentives for further training beyond summer school in Kanifing; most teachers hardly benefit from any government incentives like land allocation because way down in Yoro Bawol, the news never arrives; very resources like text books, poor libraries or in most schools no library at all; lack of specimens in science labs.
You will be surprised that most science students dont even have specimens to prepare for exams. Thats why science is poor. At high School (sixth form) we had no literature books we need for our exams, the school could not order it and no book store would. I had to give up literature for economics because the books on the syllabus were not available. These affect out put and consequently low performance in the exams.
I also stop here.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 21:33:46
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Madiba
You are right. I was a teacher myself. Perhaps it should be attractive to be a teacher. Some problems with teaching are: low pay; remoteness and few incentives for further training beyond summer school in Kanifing; most teachers hardly benefit from any government incentives like land allocation because way down in Yoro Bawol, the news never arrives; very resources like text books, poor libraries or in most schools no library at all; lack of specimens in science labs.
You will be surprised that most science students dont even have specimens to prepare for exams. Thats why science is poor. At high School (sixth form) we had no literature books we need for our exams, the school could not order it and no book store would. I had to give up literature for economics because the books on the syllabus were not available. These affect out put and consequently low performance in the exams.
I also stop here.
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 01:43:48
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| Please Konds do not stop there or do you say don't stand there at night school in welligara ? We want more insights from your experience as a village teacher in rural Gambia.And how many yrs ago was that? WHERE IS MY BROTHER BREADMAN? PLS LETS CONTINUE THE DEBATE. ARE YOU THERE? |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 01:43:48
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| Please Konds do not stop there or do you say don't stand there at night school in welligara ? We want more insights from your experience as a village teacher in rural Gambia.And how many yrs ago was that? WHERE IS MY BROTHER BREADMAN? PLS LETS CONTINUE THE DEBATE. ARE YOU THERE? |
madiss |
Edited by - MADIBA on 23 Dec 2006 01:45:00 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 02:22:30
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Madiss, Konds, and bread man, let's go.
Lower quality of standards in education can some times be more global than regional or being peculiar to little Gambia. Take any university in UK, US and other developed countries. On the point of what Madiss referred to as the calibre of teachers, this is also found in even universities. One problem many universities howl and bark on students is about PLAGIARISM. "Don't plagiarise" they say, "but ensure that you quote the author whenever you tap from sources."
By the efficiency of the Internet, whole chunks of relevant information is lifted from distance sources on cut and paste processes. What this encourages is that students are not bothered to learn even basic writing skills. It is easier for students of non-English speaking background to emerge with very high scores in their assignments leaving behind native English speakers and those whose official language is English. The lecturers who warn you not to plagiarise themselves get their lecture notes from either the Internet or by a centralised university portals.
This can be a handicap to educational processes. Who will stand the way of a graduate teacher after cutting and pasting information in his final assidnment? Don't be surprised that some village teachers are better at teaching basic writing skills than a graduate teacher who himself has not been taught so. This is a wider area as Madiss observed. In passing, we can only add that everyone need to keep reading, reading, reading, writing, writing, and writing, again and again till end of time. That way we can all learn to improve rather than waiting to be taught. What do you think of that. Let us get it clear that mastery of one written language is a previlege not enjoyed by only the native speakers of that language. That is why some Senegalese can write better English than native British English and Gambians whose official language is that English we boast about.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 02:22:30
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Madiss, Konds, and bread man, let's go.
Lower quality of standards in education can some times be more global than regional or being peculiar to little Gambia. Take any university in UK, US and other developed countries. On the point of what Madiss referred to as the calibre of teachers, this is also found in even universities. One problem many universities howl and bark on students is about PLAGIARISM. "Don't plagiarise" they say, "but ensure that you quote the author whenever you tap from sources."
By the efficiency of the Internet, whole chunks of relevant information is lifted from distance sources on cut and paste processes. What this encourages is that students are not bothered to learn even basic writing skills. It is easier for students of non-English speaking background to emerge with very high scores in their assignments leaving behind native English speakers and those whose official language is English. The lecturers who warn you not to plagiarise themselves get their lecture notes from either the Internet or by a centralised university portals.
This can be a handicap to educational processes. Who will stand the way of a graduate teacher after cutting and pasting information in his final assidnment? Don't be surprised that some village teachers are better at teaching basic writing skills than a graduate teacher who himself has not been taught so. This is a wider area as Madiss observed. In passing, we can only add that everyone need to keep reading, reading, reading, writing, writing, and writing, again and again till end of time. That way we can all learn to improve rather than waiting to be taught. What do you think of that. Let us get it clear that mastery of one written language is a previlege not enjoyed by only the native speakers of that language. That is why some Senegalese can write better English than native British English and Gambians whose official language is that English we boast about.
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dbaldeh
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Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 10:51:09
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I cannot help it but join breadman, kon (teacher), Madis, and Kon. Hopefully, this debate will allow brother breadman to put things into perspective.
We don't only look at the physical structures built by the Jammeh regime. We must look at the source of the funds and whether they are being invested in a sustainable manner. Development is not only about roads, school buildings, hospitals etc. It is about the Quality as Madis mentioned.
The government can build all the roads and schools, hospitals etc, but if they cannot find quality teachers, doctors, nurses, engineers and honest people to manage the budgets, it would just be a matter of time before those things depreciate and collapse. How many hungery kids can go to school and learn attentively? How many young moms can enter the work force if they cannot maintain good health due to poor medical facilities?
Additionally, sir breadman, where are the funds coming from that are being used to build the roads? Do we really care if we are paying half of our national budget towards serving loans? How long can we sustain paying for those loans?
Yes, I agree the President may have good intentions for developing the country, but I must point out that he has no clue what his priorities really are? It is one thing to initiate a project and another thing to sustain it.
Who dear call our educational system successful despite all the schools? How about respect for the constitutional right of citizens? Can we even talk about press freedom or right to personal property? Mr. Breadman, I guarantee, you and your family have not been touched yet, the ones crying have tasted the sword from Jammeh, it may be your turn sir... watch your back. "if they come for me at nigh, they will come for you in day light" Kondorong.
Development is about priorities, it is about sustainability, it is about utilizing resources in the best way possible. It is not about being flashy for AU summit by building Villas. It is about quality of life of citizens. Breadman, for now we have our priorities backward. Go figure.. if you really need electricity while you cannot affort a bag of rice for your family. It is a matter of survival in Gambia and you know it. Keep the debate alive though. |
Baldeh,
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