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Karamba
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 19 Dec 2006 : 19:59:49
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Fear of being done to them what they've done to others is good reason why dictators cling to power. In the case of President Jammeh it is far more difficult for him to reconcile his many wrongs. Now it is up to Gambians to consider if a man who committed so much against them since July 1994 coup to today is someone to be pardoned and be given a safe exit out of the national bureau of political power. Jammeh to be given a safe exit, a matter of public interest, what do you think of this?
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 19 Dec 2006 : 21:02:01
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For me it will be easier to pardon if he tells us why he is seeking a pardon in the first place. Even in south africa or in Rwanda, people are only forgiven if they came forward.
Gambians are very forgiving and i will not be suprised if they easily let go. We owe it to history to record what happened. |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 00:05:18
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Brother Karamba and Professor Kon, Jammeh has everything to gain by leaving office honorably. He might have done terrible things to Gambians, but considering the level of interest the people have in his government going by the last elections, he still can exit without much feud in the society.
Take an example of Sanna Sabally, many people thought when he gets out of Prison, people will attach him physically because of his aggressiveness while in office. He was free and nothing happen to him. The people understand the power associated with authority and once one loses that authority then in many instances one is harmless.
From another historic lesson, look at Nigerian President Obasanjo and now newly nominated opposition candidate and ex military leader General Buhari. Buhari committed several attrocities during his rule including executing opponents. Today, it looks like Nigerians are willing to give him another opportunity.
The point is that, our people still look at being a President as an extraordinary power that God gives to only few individuals. Once these people become President, they are respected for life in our society regardless of what crimes they committed. So when Jammeh leaves office today and decide to contest elections in the next 10 years, I bet you, he will not only have lot of support but also be a historic icon who tested power and left voluntarily. The crimes he committed will be history.
Besides, many citizens are blinded by governments power to enforce rules as oppose to all the abuse the metted against the people. Many of our people still think you and I are just natural opposition and the government is always never right in our eyes. This is an important perception we need to overcome in our society.
So on balance, Jammeh has more to gain by leaving office voluntarily sooner than he anticipates. It would be hard for me personally to forgive him, since I can't still forgive Jawara for his meager economic crimes anyway. However, not forgiven him is different from hunting him around and bringing him to justice. For the interest of peace and reconciliation, I would prefer to look for a better future than look back at the sad history we have had with these people. Am sure Gambia and Gambians can do better than what we have had. Interesting debate... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 02:05:33
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Brother Baldeh,
This looks an opportunity I would have embraced if I was President Jammeh. Who knows, your message will reach him. As a normal human being, it is reasonable that President Jammeh takes advantage of this generous offer by angry citizens who are prepapred to give him safe exit. This will be a new epoch in history. By deciding to step down at this moment in time will add to Jammeh's credentials. He'll be seen as true hero. That is something to earn. What he holds now is the flattery from sycophants who like him to stay so they continue to dig for his downfall. Jammeh, if you read this, think about it. There are good people who will help you through the smooth transition after you step down. If you don't do so, what happened to Jawara could happen to you at a bad time. Go by the fact of situations and take this safe exit for the best benefit of you, your darling wife and little Mariam Jammeh. If you fall out of power instead of taking a majestic walk through the corridors, life becomes different. The laws are already in place for you to enjoy the fat benefits of being Ex-President, a previlege opened to just you and Jawara so far. Have a nice retirement. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 04:50:05
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Bro. Karamba,
As you said you are new, so welcome like anyone else was welcomed previously, one time. The same welcome is extended to all those that claim they are new.
I followed up your threads over the past weeks with keen interest. I share a lot of your sentiments, however, "you" and "I" will remain day-dreamers in a forum, cos the man is intoxicated with power. This guy reached a level where he cannot differentiate his left hand from the right. He is in a different world. He sees, hears, tastes,feels, and smells things that the ordinary is unable to sense.[A SOLDIER WITHOUT POLITICAL EDUCATION IS VIRTUALLY A CRIMINAL-THE LATE CAPTAIN THOMOS SANKARA]. Think of the *****s surrounding this guy with the degree of selfishness, lacking in education and morale, and tendency to be boy-boy turned "greenboys" aka "chiakas".
For him to ask for forgiveness, he must be questioned for the crime committed. But why do we ask when the writing is on the board. These are facts. Some of us are boring in naming the long list. I think a "rescue operation" will do us all good. This must be true redemtion. Demba's new thread will kick us to another level as to whether Gambians are cowards, or are they selfish-may be one or the other, or both.
Keep up the good threading. No doubt night will break into day (coutesy of SMO Aka, Nigerian professor and writer).
Until then, "For the Gambia our homeland;.........For the Gambia ever true."
Best regards and happy stay and interaction underneath the bantang-yiro.
Dalton.
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 04:50:05
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Bro. Karamba,
As you said you are new, so welcome like anyone else was welcomed previously, one time. The same welcome is extended to all those that claim they are new.
I followed up your threads over the past weeks with keen interest. I share a lot of your sentiments, however, "you" and "I" will remain day-dreamers in a forum, cos the man is intoxicated with power. This guy reached a level where he cannot differentiate his left hand from the right. He is in a different world. He sees, hears, tastes,feels, and smells things that the ordinary is unable to sense.[A SOLDIER WITHOUT POLITICAL EDUCATION IS VIRTUALLY A CRIMINAL-THE LATE CAPTAIN THOMOS SANKARA]. Think of the *****s surrounding this guy with the degree of selfishness, lacking in education and morale, and tendency to be boy-boy turned "greenboys" aka "chiakas".
For him to ask for forgiveness, he must be questioned for the crime committed. But why do we ask when the writing is on the board. These are facts. Some of us are boring in naming the long list. I think a "rescue operation" will do us all good. This must be true redemtion. Demba's new thread will kick us to another level as to whether Gambians are cowards, or are they selfish-may be one or the other, or both.
Keep up the good threading. No doubt night will break into day (coutesy of SMO Aka, Nigerian professor and writer).
Until then, "For the Gambia our homeland;.........For the Gambia ever true."
Best regards and happy stay and interaction underneath the bantang-yiro.
Dalton.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 11:34:50
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Dalton1
Maybe new by name, but Karamba has been with Bantaba too long enough, have read every dot of line running over the cyberspace of this very educating forum. It has reached a point in time, we have to take on the task beyond the simple BANTABA KATCHA and see it a chamber of ideas, views, and solutions. You guys have been doing quite well and this is one influence why Karamba and others have to join you in the crusade. We may not have put our mouths and hands but our ears and eyes have stayed open to what has been going on at Bantaba.
Coming to the point of what all of us can do. We don't have to leave things to be dictated by selfish sentiments of others. If Jammeh and his lot continue doing what they do, it is because the ground is steady for them. At this point, not only do we have to expose them, but we can shake up their roots. Let them carry on and we too must continue to challenge them. They are no more interested persons than you, me, and other good members of society over the affairs of our dear nation Gambia. Not because Jammeh wants to stay that he has to stay. Conditions have to permit his stay and when conditions don't favour him, he could not help that. You have the power and the means to change those coniditions. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 11:34:50
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Dalton1
Maybe new by name, but Karamba has been with Bantaba too long enough, have read every dot of line running over the cyberspace of this very educating forum. It has reached a point in time, we have to take on the task beyond the simple BANTABA KATCHA and see it a chamber of ideas, views, and solutions. You guys have been doing quite well and this is one influence why Karamba and others have to join you in the crusade. We may not have put our mouths and hands but our ears and eyes have stayed open to what has been going on at Bantaba.
Coming to the point of what all of us can do. We don't have to leave things to be dictated by selfish sentiments of others. If Jammeh and his lot continue doing what they do, it is because the ground is steady for them. At this point, not only do we have to expose them, but we can shake up their roots. Let them carry on and we too must continue to challenge them. They are no more interested persons than you, me, and other good members of society over the affairs of our dear nation Gambia. Not because Jammeh wants to stay that he has to stay. Conditions have to permit his stay and when conditions don't favour him, he could not help that. You have the power and the means to change those coniditions. |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 16:33:54
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| We the Gambians that voted for him have forgiven him if he had done anything to us, which I doubt he did. July 94 was a turning point for The Gambians. Remember when Jawara arrested and detain 32 Gambians from Brikama because they demonstrated against buying water. If you were there you will appreciate the army´s intervention. |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 16:33:54
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| We the Gambians that voted for him have forgiven him if he had done anything to us, which I doubt he did. July 94 was a turning point for The Gambians. Remember when Jawara arrested and detain 32 Gambians from Brikama because they demonstrated against buying water. If you were there you will appreciate the army´s intervention. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 16:53:57
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bread man,
That Jawara was corrupt did not warrant Jammeh or anyone on earth to seek changes by force of arms. That is not just civilised. If Jammeh was decent enough to deserve being president of Gambia, why would he not form a political party and campaign like other decent people like Halifa, Sidia, Gomez, Darbo, Juwara and their likes. Cheyassin formed a political party he called National Liberation Party before July 1981. He was later implicated in the July 1981 abortive coup that landed him in Mile Two Prisons. Coups are never civilised options to change government.
It is a misconception to count Jawara's wrongs as justification to qualify Jammeh's wrongs. A wrong by devils or angels can only be wrong. No wrong can ever make right. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 16:53:57
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bread man,
That Jawara was corrupt did not warrant Jammeh or anyone on earth to seek changes by force of arms. That is not just civilised. If Jammeh was decent enough to deserve being president of Gambia, why would he not form a political party and campaign like other decent people like Halifa, Sidia, Gomez, Darbo, Juwara and their likes. Cheyassin formed a political party he called National Liberation Party before July 1981. He was later implicated in the July 1981 abortive coup that landed him in Mile Two Prisons. Coups are never civilised options to change government.
It is a misconception to count Jawara's wrongs as justification to qualify Jammeh's wrongs. A wrong by devils or angels can only be wrong. No wrong can ever make right. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 17:48:36
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100% correct
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100% support for the ballot and no to the bullet as an alternative
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that was very much the era of coups wasn't it and Muhammad Buhari's coup was welcomed by many - not that anybody likes coups..... it was as some UK media pundit put it(about Nigeria) "The Changing of the Guards"
And now you agree that Mr. Jammeh having just bagged 67.3% of the votes, there are no extenuating circumstances that should either justify or necessitate a coup to unseat him....
That's fine. By all means do go ahead and Suggest all the improvements that he can be heir to, please do that, sytematically..... |
Edited by - Cornelius on 20 Dec 2006 17:49:39 |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 17:48:36
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100% correct
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100% support for the ballot and no to the bullet as an alternative
but
that was very much the era of coups wasn't it and Muhammad Buhari's coup was welcomed by many - not that anybody likes coups..... it was as some UK media pundit put it(about Nigeria) "The Changing of the Guards"
And now you agree that Mr. Jammeh having just bagged 67.3% of the votes, there are no extenuating circumstances that should either justify or necessitate a coup to unseat him....
That's fine. By all means do go ahead and Suggest all the improvements that he can be heir to, please do that, sytematically..... |
Edited by - Cornelius on 20 Dec 2006 17:49:39 |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 18:12:32
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quote:
Originally posted by bread man
We the Gambians that voted for him have forgiven him if he had done anything to us, which I doubt he did. July 94 was a turning point for The Gambians. Remember when Jawara arrested and detain 32 Gambians from Brikama because they demonstrated against buying water. If you were there you will appreciate the army´s intervention.
Breadman, I am saddened to read your comment above. However, I can understand your plight and sense of accomplishment in Jammeh. In the kindom of blind men, the one eye man is the king. If you don't know to live any better than what Jawara and Jammeh have to offer, you have all the right to be happy with what you get.
The fact of the matter is you and your family can have better access to quality of life than you have right now. Your dignity and respect can and should never be compromise for anything. If you think this is as good as life can be for you and your family, then we can only pray for your continuous happiness.
We are with the opinion that your children can go to better schools. Have better medical care and access to medical facilities. You should not be spending D900 on a bag of sugar and your salary should not be barely enought to buy you a bag of rice.
Sir, this is not about Jammeh or Jawara or John. This is about us, our children and their future. How many of our young sisters, daughters die from premature birth due to simple complications at birth? How many of those babies die simply because there are no incubators to sustain their lives? How many people die or are maimed from malaria and simple diseases that are preventable? Worst of all sir, how many of our fellow citizens scarvenge at the Bakoteh dumpsite searching for rotten food just to live for another day? If these things are not appaling to you, then I don't know what will. Think about this sir breadman and join your brothers in tears |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 18:12:32
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quote:
Originally posted by bread man
We the Gambians that voted for him have forgiven him if he had done anything to us, which I doubt he did. July 94 was a turning point for The Gambians. Remember when Jawara arrested and detain 32 Gambians from Brikama because they demonstrated against buying water. If you were there you will appreciate the army´s intervention.
Breadman, I am saddened to read your comment above. However, I can understand your plight and sense of accomplishment in Jammeh. In the kindom of blind men, the one eye man is the king. If you don't know to live any better than what Jawara and Jammeh have to offer, you have all the right to be happy with what you get.
The fact of the matter is you and your family can have better access to quality of life than you have right now. Your dignity and respect can and should never be compromise for anything. If you think this is as good as life can be for you and your family, then we can only pray for your continuous happiness.
We are with the opinion that your children can go to better schools. Have better medical care and access to medical facilities. You should not be spending D900 on a bag of sugar and your salary should not be barely enought to buy you a bag of rice.
Sir, this is not about Jammeh or Jawara or John. This is about us, our children and their future. How many of our young sisters, daughters die from premature birth due to simple complications at birth? How many of those babies die simply because there are no incubators to sustain their lives? How many people die or are maimed from malaria and simple diseases that are preventable? Worst of all sir, how many of our fellow citizens scarvenge at the Bakoteh dumpsite searching for rotten food just to live for another day? If these things are not appaling to you, then I don't know what will. Think about this sir breadman and join your brothers in tears |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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