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Cornelius
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 Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 13:02:51
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You’re welcome!
Sorry I'm in a great hurry.....Good to know:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22+the+Marginal+Man%22&meta=
Cross cultural perspective yes and the marginal man too. Unfortunately I have travelled very little, compared to most people that I know – for instance I haven’t been to the Gambia, but my relationship with the Gambia is more than 41 years old. I remember Mary Baldeh (who was not my girl friend) when she was at MMTC – a very charming young Gambian lady and the epitome of what S.E. Rogers in his “Advice to Schoolgirls” calls, “Good breeding.”
Rich in experience yes, and I’d say that I’m very observant and have a retentive memory – but not half as experienced or psychologically as masterful as my Gambian best friend.
I wish that we told more stories and chatted more on Bantaba – but like most African Forums, it’s mostly politics and more politics. It seems that politics is the lifeblood of West Africans…
I give in to the impulse to tell stories - and if in the first person, always true stories. I belong to the oral tradition really, and must have got it from my maternal grandmother who was a great story teller and also a Hafiz of the Psalms of David.
As I have said before Krio, Fullah and English were my first languages before I was six –
At the Bantaba outside of cyberspace, in the Gambia, I do suppose that there is a lot of story telling, proverbial wisdom exchange – at least Demba Conta has regaled me with many, many memorable tales – he is a real story teller, and some of the stories, e.g. the one about some guy who had been cuckolding an elder has its denouement at the Bantaba/ village square, the place where he starts sharpening his machete in front of the assembled bantabahs, whilst muttering under his breath “ I will show the Mo-fo that I mean business when I cut off his head!" Of course the guilty one bolts off and he follows in hot pursuit.
The Greatest story teller that I know is undoubtedly Schalom Haddad- I’ve listened to him for many hours, over many years and I have listened to many others too.
Unfortunately in our Bantaba it’s still the written word (I find myself writing as I speak) and all that time lapse and those long delays – if only we could hook up by telephone. We could have real meetings, discussions. But even that, as Mr. Soyinka calls it is only “hide and speak” (telephone) - but that was the day of “Telephone Conversation." Today there is the web camera isn’t there?
Certainly riddles, morals, a different perspective and rich experience plus the speaking voice is what we have in that famous po-em:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=+Soyinka%3A+%22Telephone+Conversation%22&meta=
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 20:03:40
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quote:
Originally posted by Cornelius
You’re welcome!
Sorry I'm in a great hurry.....Good to know:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22+the+Marginal+Man%22&meta=
Cross cultural perspective yes and the marginal man too. Unfortunately I have travelled very little, compared to most people that I know – for instance I haven’t been to the Gambia, but my relationship with the Gambia is more than 41 years old. I remember Mary Baldeh (who was not my girl friend) when she was at MMTC – a very charming young Gambian lady and the epitome of what S.E. Rogers in his “Advice to Schoolgirls” calls, “Good breeding.”
Rich in experience yes, and I’d say that I’m very observant and have a retentive memory – but not half as experienced or psychologically as masterful as my Gambian best friend.
I wish that we told more stories and chatted more on Bantaba – but like most African Forums, it’s mostly politics and more politics. It seems that politics is the lifeblood of West Africans…
I think the internet provides an avenue to discuss politics that many west africans do not enjoy in their countries. We thank Bill gates for the computer.
West africa as you know, is the sandhurst of Africa where military rule has become the only major form of government since independence. Nigeria is amusely referred to as "Changing of Guards" as though the country was a barracks. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 22:30:30
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ANOTHER SAD NEWS I HEARD IS : that many gambians in denmark and norway break the glass (drink alkahol regularly) is this true ? it is not my personal business but considerng our religious heritage it is a sad omen if it is true as many are saying.
i have never been to denmark or norway but some gambian's in u.k who visited family and friends are appalled at the constant drinking habit of our brothers and sisters.
can some body living in this countries shed some light.
in islam alkahol is the mother of all sins.
i asked again ,do gambian muslim's living in norway regularly engage in alkahol consumption ? i know this is an awkward question but i am just worried about the impact on their social life. a friend of mine went to somebodies child naming ceremony in denmark and he said approstimately every body was drinkin in the party.this is rather a suprise. may allah guide us aright.amen. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 23:33:10
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quote:
Originally posted by SANTANFARA
ANOTHER SAD NEWS I HEARD IS : that many gambians in denmark and norway break the glass (drink alkahol regularly) is this true ? it is not my personal business but considerng our religious heritage it is a sad omen if it is true as many are saying.
i have never been to denmark or norway but some gambian's in u.k who visited family and friends are appalled at the constant drinking habit of our brothers and sisters.
can some body living in this countries shed some light.
in islam alkahol is the mother of all sins.
The greatest sin is associating a partner with God and not alcohol. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 00:21:21
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quote:
Originally posted by kondorong
quote:
Originally posted by SANTANFARA
ANOTHER SAD NEWS I HEARD IS : that many gambians in denmark and norway break the glass (drink alkahol regularly) is this true ? it is not my personal business but considerng our religious heritage it is a sad omen if it is true as many are saying.
i have never been to denmark or norway but some gambian's in u.k who visited family and friends are appalled at the constant drinking habit of our brothers and sisters.
can some body living in this countries shed some light.
in islam alkahol is the mother of all sins.
The greatest sin is associating a partner with God and not alcohol.
i want the gambian denish to answer the question ,then we can polarise the topic. but ummul junuba is considered to be alkahol ,when you are talking about the greatest sin then it is shrik (associating partners) but alkahol lead people to all sorts of direction and eventually kill-off eman. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 07:01:18
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Cigarette smoking is equally, if not more, dangerous for the body. Can anyone explain what the Muslim position on smoking is,because many Gambians smoke. Is it ok because it is not mind altering? So presumably weed 'isnot allowed' under Islam?
I believe in all things in moderation. Alcohol can be nice to relax with after a difficult day. But getting very drunk on a regular basis is not good for the body or the mind. It can alter a persons behaviour and be destructive in a marriage.
Northern european countries have to endure long dark winters, perhaps they deserve a little comfort! In Gambia you have that lovely warm bright sunshine, so alcohol isn't needed to to get through the day! |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 07:33:32
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quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
Cigarette smoking is equally, if not more, dangerous for the body. Can anyone explain what the Muslim position on smoking is,because many Gambians smoke. Is it ok because it is not mind altering? So presumably weed 'isnot allowed' under Islam?
I believe in all things in moderation. Alcohol can be nice to relax with after a difficult day. But getting very drunk on a regular basis is not good for the body or the mind. It can alter a persons behaviour and be destructive in a marriage.
Northern european countries have to endure long dark winters, perhaps they deserve a little comfort! In Gambia you have that lovely warm bright sunshine, so alcohol isn't needed to to get through the day!
GAMBIABEV.CIGARRETE IS EQUALLY NOT ALLOW IN ISLAM.ANYTHING THAT CAN BRING HARM TO ONCE HEALTH IS NOT PERMITTED. the greater good is what islam call for .be it weed or cigarrete which only brings in ill-health is not permitted.
about alcahol ,the islamic stand point is any thing which can intoxicate in larger quantity is forbin in smaller quantity as well.
the deviation from natural state is what islam is against. every drunkard was once a social drinker.
cold weather is not a legitimate excuse.their are many nothern europeans who don't drink ,so why gambians ? there are many hadiths concerning this issue but i will wait for any of our northern european guys to shed some light.thanks .peace |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 16:47:06
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Ops, you has digs with an arrows in some ones chest!
Since I’m not living Scandinavia /Denmark I bet I‘ve not much to said about this?
But I’m curious of what Mr-Miss drunker GMs in those countries will respond to this your Brave questions.
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Originally posted by SANTANFARA
ANOTHER SAD NEWS I HEARD IS : that many gambians in denmark and norway break the glass (drink alkahol regularly) is this true ? it is not my personal business but considerng our religious heritage it is a sad omen if it is true as many are saying.
i have never been to denmark or norway but some gambian's in u.k who visited family and friends are appalled at the constant drinking habit of our brothers and sisters.
can some body living in this countries shed some light.
in islam alkahol is the mother of all sins.
i asked again ,do gambian muslim's living in norway regularly engage in alkahol consumption ? i know this is an awkward question but i am just worried about the impact on their social life. a friend of mine went to somebodies child naming ceremony in denmark and he said approstimately every body was drinkin in the party.this is rather a suprise. may allah guide us aright.amen.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 18:31:03
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quote:
Originally posted by SANTANFARA
quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
Cigarette smoking is equally, if not more, dangerous for the body. Can anyone explain what the Muslim position on smoking is,because many Gambians smoke. Is it ok because it is not mind altering? So presumably weed 'isnot allowed' under Islam?
I believe in all things in moderation. Alcohol can be nice to relax with after a difficult day. But getting very drunk on a regular basis is not good for the body or the mind. It can alter a persons behaviour and be destructive in a marriage.
Northern european countries have to endure long dark winters, perhaps they deserve a little comfort! In Gambia you have that lovely warm bright sunshine, so alcohol isn't needed to to get through the day!
GAMBIABEV.CIGARRETE IS EQUALLY NOT ALLOW IN ISLAM.ANYTHING THAT CAN BRING HARM TO ONCE HEALTH IS NOT PERMITTED. the greater good is what islam call for .be it weed or cigarrete which only brings in ill-health is not permitted.
about alcahol ,the islamic stand point is any thing which can intoxicate in larger quantity is forbin in smaller quantity as well.
the deviation from natural state is what islam is against. every drunkard was once a social drinker.
cold weather is not a legitimate excuse.their are many nothern europeans who don't drink ,so why gambians ? there are many hadiths concerning this issue but i will wait for any of our northern european guys to shed some light.thanks .peace
Cigarette is not haram in Islam. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 21:42:01
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quote:
Originally posted by kondorong
quote:
Originally posted by Cornelius
You’re welcome!
Sorry I'm in a great hurry.....Good to know:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22+the+Marginal+Man%22&meta=
Cross cultural perspective yes and the marginal man too. Unfortunately I have travelled very little, compared to most people that I know – for instance I haven’t been to the Gambia, but my relationship with the Gambia is more than 41 years old. I remember Mary Baldeh (who was not my girl friend) when she was at MMTC – a very charming young Gambian lady and the epitome of what S.E. Rogers in his “Advice to Schoolgirls” calls, “Good breeding.”
Rich in experience yes, and I’d say that I’m very observant and have a retentive memory – but not half as experienced or psychologically as masterful as my Gambian best friend.
I wish that we told more stories and chatted more on Bantaba – but like most African Forums, it’s mostly politics and more politics. It seems that politics is the lifeblood of West Africans…
I think the internet provides an avenue to discuss politics that many west africans do not enjoy in their countries. We thank Bill gates for the computer.
West africa as you know, is the sandhurst of Africa where military rule has become the only major form of government since independence. Nigeria is amusely referred to as "Changing of Guards" as though the country was a barracks.
Kondorong,
It's not only politics that can be discussed - although that is where most verbal violence occurs.
I see that there is the possibility of more freedom of speech on the internet and even online African views-and-news-papers are a little braver and less liable to be taken to court "for ridiculing the president"
Have you ever considered making this kind of purchase:
Buy Law enforcement equipment on line: Great source of police equipment:
http://www.desantisholster.com/police-batons-and-training-equipment.html?ovmtc=content
This joke was forwarded to me by Jamaica’s Babatunde and since you mentioned Bill Gates, thinking about safety of not only journalists on the internet, but the very equipment that they use, I should hope this should amuse you
“ The response from Bill Gates ....
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>For all of us who feel only the deepest love and affection for the way
>computers have enhanced our lives, read on. At a computer expo (COMDEX),
>Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto
>industry and stated, If GM had kept up with technology like the
>computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got
>1,000 miles to the gallon.
>
>In response to Bill’s comments, General Motors issued a press release
>stating: If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be
>driving cars with the following characteristics (and I just love this
>part):
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>1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.
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>2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to
>buy a new car.
>
>3. Occasionally your car would die on
>the freeway for no reason. You
>would have to pull to the side of the road, close all of the windows,
>shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could
>continue. For some reason you would simply accept this.
>
>4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause
>your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would
>have to reinstall the engine.
>
>5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable,
>five times as fast and twice as easy to drive -- but would run on only
>five percent of the roads.
>
>6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all
>be replaced by a single ?This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation?
>warning light.
>
>7. The airbag system would ask ?Are you sure?? before deploying.
>
>8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out
>and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted
>the door
>handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.
>
>9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn
>how to drive all over again because almost none of the controls would
>operate the same way as in the old car.
>
>10. You’d have to press the Start button to turn the engine off.
>
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 21:48:28
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That was interesting. What a nice way to brighten up the holiday spirit. |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 23:36:46
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kondo. the jurisprudence of figh on certain matters concerning what is halal or haram have new meanings over time. remember cigarrete is modern thing but ,the scholars of old did not do any fatwa concerning cigarrete. the issue of its being makrow (dislike)as been mension in several discussions. but lately many scholars comes to the conclusion that cigarrete have no benefit to once health ,so for that been the case it should be discourage.
Allah as given us our body as a trust ( amanah) which we will be accountable for. the misuse of our lungs ,hearth and the discomfort cigarrete cause to neigbours and passers by is enormous. the wastage of once wealth is another factor which smokers need to put into consideration.
with all the above consideration some scholars have now regard cigarrete as haram.
not only cigarrete but gat and many other harmful tobacco.
a corolation can be drawn to the western financial regulaions ,new rules are coming all the time.why ? beacuse bankers ,accountants and crafty business men are always looking for lope holes to exploit .the regulatory bodies have to be on the look out to close all lope holes .similarly smoking is a big problem in muslim communities ,which have cause catastrophic consiquences in many muslim and non-muslims family's life. smoking should be discourage .kondo you know better.there is good into every thing haram ,but the evil or bad effect is more than the good.for every thing haram there are hundreds of halal sustitutes.but we tend to look at the few haram as if there is no halal substitute. no one will tell his/her child to smoke .why ?it's harmful.
still the main theme is, do gambian in scananivia engage in alcahol consumption ? |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 23:48:06
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| That is not important beacuse Gambians in Gambia drink alchol. Why do you think there are many bars in town. There is a market. Like Bob siad, if night should turn into day all of a sudden, many people will run away. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 01:18:20
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Here are translations of four songs that accompany this CD of
Cesaria Evora: La Diva Aux Pieds Nus
5.“LUCY” ( Manuel de Nova)
“ Oh beloved Lucy
Don’t let anyone steal the joy of your life
Don’t let yourself be deceived
Don’t exchange your happiness for anything
Don’t tie yourself yet
Enjoy your youth
You are a Mona Lisa
Today’s world is full of contradictions
Be aware of your qualities
And don’t let any calendar
Ever count the days of your life
Enjoy your spring
Live a new day everyday
Turn your sadness into joy
For God gave us the world to live happily in
Oh my beloved young maiden
Enjoy your youth.”
6. DERRIERE L’HORIZON
(B.Leza)
“Oh sea
Give me news of my beloved
Who went abroad one day
Following the skies and the seas
And left me crying on the beach
With a scarf in my hand
After a sad farewell
The same boat that took him away
Shall bring him back home someday
Oh sea, my fate
Talk to me about Lena
Come and talk to me oh sea
Tell me what it is I’m seeing
Behind the horizon
That makes me cry.”
7 “L’Adieu deL’immigre”
(Farias Junior)
“Let us sing our goodbyes with
This coladera
Let us show our people the joy
We embark with us
The progress we saw in our country
Has cleared up all the doubts people
From abroad have
See how kind our brothers are
See their courage and their trust
All involved as they are in
Their everyday struggle
To rebuild our nation
We leave happy and we’ll encourage
Our community
To recognise the truth of our country
One must not listen to back talk
That can only upset our reasoning
Our land is Cabo Verde
This is where we come from
No one can forget it
This is where our deep self is buried.”
8. DIX PETITS GRAINS DE TERRE”
( Jorge Monteiro)
“ These ten little specs of land
Spread by God in the midst of the sea
They are ours and are due to no war
They are our beloved Cabo Verde
A land of peace a land of dreams
Those who discover our brotherhood
Don’t want to go they cry
Tears of nostalgia for our dark skinned girls
Whom they embark in their thoughts
Tears for the everlasting memories
Of a time with no suffering.”
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