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Momodou
Denmark
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 Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 16:31:27
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TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Visiting Gambian President al-Haji Yahya Jammeh met with Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei here on Monday.
During the meeting, Ayatollah Khamenei noted the strategic geographical position and huge resources of the Muslim countries, and called on Islamic states and nations to be aware of their power, which he said originates from the collective identity of the Islamic Ummah (nation).
Full story available at http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8509130527
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 17:55:30
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Njuks
Does it mean that we will have more turbans? . Am sure your friends in Brikama are rejoicing. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 18:12:26
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now, there is no need for prejudice. In a democracy we must be open minded and not take a book by its cover. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 18:26:05
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| ok. We will wait and see and be as patient as a vulture as adviced. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 18:47:54
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Originally posted by kondorong
ok. We will wait and see and be as patient as a vulture as adviced.
Meanwhile, you could grow a looong beard and buy some nice chadors for your three wives... |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 20:11:28
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Hello Serenata!!!
Well, Yahya Jammeh is a radical. He knows where his bread is buttered: Venezuela, Taiwan and I-ran.( bread, bread, butter, peanut butter and Jam (as in Jammeh). I wonder if the Americans wanted him to run, if he would. Problem is he is the smallest country in Africa and not a threat – at least not yet - not even with an impossible future nuclear partner. The only advice of caution that I would venture is to make sure that the Gambia is NEVER percieved as a safe haven for any kind of hanky panky Hez Bees….because the FBI is stationed just about everywhere in the neighborhood looking for signs of that kind of diplomatic activity…..
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=FBI+looking+for+terrorist+in+West+Africa&meta=
Well, Imam Ali, alaihi salaam, said "You have three enemies; your enemy, the friend of your enemy, and the enemy of your friend". ...
Ow eez eet dat the black Al-Hajji Yahya Jammeh is all in white from tip to top ( for contrast?) whilst the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Khamenei is in all black? Well, in Shia dress etiquette, the Sayyids, that is the descendants of Rasulullah salallahu alaihi wa ale, wear black turbans, whilst folks like us ( the rest) – including the panthers have to bear with white ( which attracts less heat anyway.
Black is also the colour of sorrow ( so much mourning, suffering and martyrdom in Shiism – whilst white is the colour of sorrow among the Chinese.
Here president Jammeh dwarfs Iranian president Ahmadinejad who looks more like David whilst Yahya looks like Captain Goliath without nuclear weapons ( or is that a rifle he his holding to his chest?) Anyway they are the best of international friends, little Gambia and mighty Iran......
http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-17/0612028998124202.htm
His Excellency ( an ex-military man himself ( but still commander –in-chief of the Gambian military forces is to be seen here inspecting the guard of honour, mounted on his behalf ( don’t you also wonder whether there was twenty-one-gun-salute?)
http://www.irna.com/en/news/view/line-17/0612025512125425.htm
This is where the honey-moon adventure started:
http://server30.irna.com/en/news/view/line-24/0606291970140130.htm
Some kind of handshake:
http://www.namnewsnetwork.org/read.php?id=16039
Gambia Stresses Broader Ties
http://www.iran-daily.com/1385/2723/html/national.htm
I wonder how their mutual friend St. Hugo is doing?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2486129,00.html
Meanwhile back at the ranch:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=104665
and not least of their worries is this:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&hl=en&q=%22The+SHia+Revival%22&meta=
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Cornelius
Sweden
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 13:42:00
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WE DONT NEED TURBANS COSE WE HAVE OUR OWN KARFUTANS.
YAHYA WENT THERE FOR POLITICALY REASON AND NOT A RELIGIONS MATER
ITS NORMALY TO MET THE RELIGION LEADERS AS OUR HEAD OF STATE
AND AS WELL AS HE HIM SELF IS MOSLIM.
AND DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEMS IN/WITH BRIKAMA?
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Originally posted by kondorong
Njuks
Does it mean that we will have more turbans?. Am sure your friends in Brikama are rejoicing.
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 13:44:31
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WHY NOT  
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Originally posted by serenata
quote:
Originally posted by kondorong
ok. We will wait and see and be as patient as a vulture as adviced.
Meanwhile, you could grow a looong beard and buy some nice chadors for your three wives...
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 14:54:41
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| Sorry mbay, I didn't mean to offend you. But I think those Iranian mullahs are going a little bit far. And I repeat my words: I don't think that a beard or a chador automatically makes anyone a better muslim. My husband, for example, is a pious muslim. He fulfills all religious duties, and he truly believes in Allah. But he doesn't wear a beard, he does not force me to become a muslim or wear a veil, and he is tolerant to others. One can be broadminded and still be a good muslim. Period. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 18:08:05
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quote:
Originally posted by mbay
WE DONT NEED TURBANS COSE WE HAVE OUR OWN KARFUTANS.
YAHYA WENT THERE FOR POLITICALY REASON AND NOT A RELIGIONS MATER
ITS NORMALY TO MET THE RELIGION LEADERS AS OUR HEAD OF STATE
AND AS WELL AS HE HIM SELF IS MOSLIM.
AND DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEMS IN/WITH BRIKAMA?
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Originally posted by kondorong
Njuks
Does it mean that we will have more turbans?. Am sure your friends in Brikama are rejoicing.
I think Njuks should answer that question. He seem to be scared of the mullahs in Brikama. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 07 Dec 2006 : 08:02:01
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quote:
Originally posted by serenata
Sorry mbay, I didn't mean to offend you. But I think those Iranian mullahs are going a little bit far. And I repeat my words: I don't think that a beard or a chador automatically makes anyone a better muslim. My husband, for example, is a pious muslim. He fulfills all religious duties, and he truly believes in Allah. But he doesn't wear a beard, he does not force me to become a muslim or wear a veil, and he is tolerant to others. One can be broadminded and still be a good muslim. Period.
husband .what husband? i thought you are 11 years. any way ,beard and turbans don't make you a better muslim ,it is just a sign to identify your self. jews have there signs, christians, budhis,hindus,sihks, athies, humanist, masons, mongolis,rastas,devilis,communist,zionist, etc. symbols are every were. i have a long beard and a kaftan even in office some times. it is only a a identity card. some times i get funny looks in liberes and shops and even on audit assignments but i expect them coming. this past tuesday i was stared at in a bank untill i ask the lady is anything wrong . we would like some turbans |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 07 Dec 2006 : 09:38:21
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quote:
Originally posted by serenata
Sorry mbay, I didn't mean to offend you. But I think those Iranian mullahs are going a little bit far. And I repeat my words: I don't think that a beard or a chador automatically makes anyone a better muslim. My husband, for example, is a pious muslim. He fulfills all religious duties, and he truly believes in Allah. But he doesn't wear a beard, he does not force me to become a muslim or wear a veil, and he is tolerant to others. One can be broadminded and still be a good muslim. Period.
It is not what you wear that makes you a good muslim. It is your belive and deeds that counts. I think most of us here cannot wait to jump on Jammeh. We have our own dress culture so has the Iranians too. All people have their own dress cultures. I suggest we wait for the results before we can say anything. As Gambia has many problems of different types it is up to Gambias reppresentatives to see how best they can colaborate with others to solve it. Gambia must be able to explor all possibilities of colaboration without any interfearence from outsiders. Those who are on the side of the so called anti Islamic propaganda cannot say it is religious. It is up to Jammeh to choose his own clothes. Many christians have long beards, so what is the problem? The are also humanbiengs. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2006 : 11:23:50
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In great haste ( with enough of unintended mistakes):
I think that what a person wears consciously, is surely a part of his Muslim identity (Yusuf Islam is admirable. He has been not only a good example but also a good teacher – I attended some of his Ramadan classes at 146 Park Road, London, past the Sherlock Holmes Museum…. And the Dawa centre….
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=YUsuf+Islam&meta=
Canon Sawyer always told me that “the apparel oft proclaims the man” and that in a decent suit there was less likelihood that a man would behave like a hooligan…. Same in distinguishing between the Hijab and the Bikini as social attire…
Yahya Jammeh, in my opinion is a fine specimen of a Muslim man and leader. Especially admirable as a convert to the Islam that he was not born into – although in another way there is the concept of FITRA.
Although I do not appreciate his anti-American stance – it is exaggerated and out of all proportion to what would be a normal person’s grievances, and in and of itself, of little impact on the US but is a definite position he has taken to ally himself with Ahmedinejad and Chavez. I don’t blame him for knowing where his bread is buttered, but in the long run, there is always the reality of the USA and China……
NB. I don’t think that anyone in the outside world wants to topple Jammeh. He is no threat to anyone, and the speculation about his visit to Iran (about seeking military help in connection with Casamance, is a little far-fetched. He honoured Ahmadinejad by inviting him to the AU in Banjul and this gesture was reciprocated- did you see photos of the guard of honour that the Gambian president inspected in Tehran? Can you count the visible (and invisible) benefits attendant on such an exchange and the material and spiritual co-operation that is in the pipe line….. Still I should think that it’s safer to play unaligned than to stick your nose out – but OIC solidarity is a factor, isn’t it?
Al-Hassan statements that are fully supportable (whilst I make the same observation about nuns and many pious catholic women who wear a headscarf and have the Blessed Virgin Mary as role model etc):
“Many Christians have long beards, what is the problem?” Brings Archbishop Makarios to mind… (Click on “images” to view his Mullah Length beard…….and have you ever seen a Mullah with his beard down to his knees? On the other hand, there are admirable Rastas, with their locks down to their belts…..
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Archbishop+Makarios+&spell=1
(It is Sunnah to sport a beard. The hadith is keep your beard and trim your moustaches)
Of course it is up to the president of the Gambia to choose his own clothes and for me he is the best dressed president of Africa – Muammar al-Qadhafi too has been in tradition Libyan Muslim attire sine 1969 and not into the three piece suit and strangled at the neck, with a tie…..not that I have anything against my own Synagogue attire…..and perhaps that’s why Joseph Kabila is esteemed by moi-meme as the second best well-dressed African president, resisting as he does the “Sapeur” culture….
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Correct+clothing+in+Islam&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Clothes+etiquette+in+Islam&spell=1
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2006 : 16:02:58
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Who am I to categorically criticise anyone's beard, turban, burka, saree, poncho, sarong, necktie or any other way of dressing!? I just can say if I personally like it or not (e.g. I think beards are better for elder men), and at most if I like the 'information' someone gives about himself by his clothing.
We should not forget that even what we call now a traditional, or distinguishing 'religious' dress once was nothing but the fashion of a certain region. N.B.: Young Turkish women in Germany developed a fancy, elegant new Muslim style which is meanwhile even copied by non-muslim girls  .
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bantaba
Switzerland
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Posted - 07 Dec 2006 : 19:08:32
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Cornelius
"Yahya Jammeh, in my opinion is a fine specimen of a Muslim man and leader. Especially admirable as a convert to the Islam that he was not born into"
I had no idea that Yahya was not born a muslim, i thought his name James is just a nick name |
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