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Babylon
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 Posted - 23 Aug 2007 : 18:53:53
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Originally posted by AlhassanSantanfara and Sulu,
As I have experienced in Sweden some cultures that are not Swedish are termed as violation of humanrights. We realy get it hard sometimes. This topic has been on the radio debate for some months ago and Swedish people accuse us who pratice it on males as we violate their humanrights. I have become more angry of this people because if they are ignorant of these culture they could fine out.
They are too suspious of us as muslims because we wish our children to become one. I would not stop my culture because I live in Sweden. No matter howmany years I live here, I shall never become a Swedish in reality. I am always that black forigner even after I had accuared my Swedish citizinship for more than 20 years ago. The goo part of the Swedish culture I adopt and the bad ones I just forget them. My daughter had her ears pierced when she was 2 months old. We did as at home with ordinary tread until she was about a year old. The problem with arlargic here in Sweden is that they start putting all sorts of jwels on very early ages.
You are absolutely right, Swedish people and other europeans (and americans in particular!) have a lot against muslims. I think it is very sad to see the ignorance among us and that people are so unwilling to learn the positive sides of Islam which are so many. The main reason for this islamofobia is fear basically. Many people are afraid of muslims after 9/11 and it affects so many innocent muslims in a negative way.
Iīm sorry to see this.
I have nothing against islam or muslims if you think that is why I would not circumcise my son (if I had one).
The only reason I wouldnīt do it is that I think itīs wrong for me to decide something that will follow him for the rest of his life.. After you have done itīs done thereīs no way back, and there are circumcised men who actually donīt want to be circumcised and have blamed their parents for making the wrong decision for them.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 10:21:13
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| babylon ,respect to you . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 23:21:27
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Originally posted by Babylon
..Iīm sorry to see this.
I have nothing against islam or muslims if you think that is why I would not circumcise my son (if I had one).
The only reason I wouldnīt do it is that I think itīs wrong for me to decide something that will follow him for the rest of his life.. After you have done itīs done thereīs no way back, and there are circumcised men who actually donīt want to be circumcised and have blamed their parents for making the wrong decision for them.
Babylon,
I agree with you that you have nothing against muslims or others, I have heard of only one complain in the world yet and that is from Swwden. If there is any orher complain some wereelse I woulsd like to know. |
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sisay
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 12:28:44
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Originally posted by Babylon
After you have done itīs done thereīs no way back, and there are circumcised men who actually donīt want to be circumcised and have blamed their parents for making the wrong decision for them.
This "no way back" argument can be applied to almost any decision a parent has to make and I must say a big respect to Santanfara for bringing up the question, "what is the role of the parent?"
All parents must make decisions on behalf of their children because the children can not decide until much later, and in so many cases it will be too late by that stage. Many of these decisions are not something directly related with the body like circumcision or ear piercing, but they impacts even more on the child's life.
From a medical and humanitarian point of view, circumcision is best practiced within the first months of a newborn's life. Waiting until the child is 18 also has negative consequences here. But the issue is deeper - there is a possibility the child may suffer painful, dangerous and unnecessary conditions due to not being circumcised. The probability is not that high, but shouldn't the parents decide whether they should prevent such incidents? Then there are other benefits to consider...
A small number of parents who have had inter-sex children have had to decide whether to have gender assignment surgery performed on them or not, and in these cases it can be hard to decide which gender the child should be. This is another case where the parents must decide early on for the child. In fact, if this is not done early, the child will grow up to become very confused.
Yes, there are a few cases where a circumcised boy later has felt wronged by circumcision. But this is rare, and largely caused by other boys ridiculing him. That is a product of the ignorance that often exists in countries that oppose circumcision.
In Gambia a boy could feel left out for not being circumcised, but I have not heard of a child being ridiculed for it. In some villages it is still practiced as part of initiation rituals. One can argue that in such a case it is forced on the child by the family and society in which he lives, because he will not become a full man otherwise. But the boys look forward to this stage in their lives and anticipate it for many years.
Everything can be seen from many angles. It is when we judge a practice from only one vantage point that we are guilty of ignorance. |
Edited by - sisay on 29 Aug 2007 12:40:36 |
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