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Babylon
Sweden
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 Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 12:52:32
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Do you think itīs right to circumcise a baby boy or do you think itīs better to let him decide for himself as he grows up wether he wants to do it or not?
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Dalton1
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Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 14:00:28
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Originally posted by Babylon
Do you think it?s right to circumcise a baby boy or do you think it?s better to let him decide for himself as he grows up wether he wants to do it or not?
Babylon,
Going by health science, religions (both islam, jewish and christianity), and cultures; it is both a health factor, thus signifies promotion to manhood.
The skin cover of the man's head must be out. Otherwise, it gathers a lot of germs, dirty things-both during urine, intercourse, wet dreams etc... This can lead to dangerous diseases.
I wish some scholars here can qoute the exact teachings. also some health specialists.
Not to misunderstand your question, as to whether, it should be choice to them or not---
If it is waited till their skins matures, it some times causes decay, and hateful scars. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 15:32:39
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I agree. Additionally, the risk of cervix cancer is much, much higher for the partners of uncircumcised men. It is a proven fact that Jewish women and nuns very seldom suffer from this form of cancer.
But I would not do it to a baby boy. I think the muslim practice of circumcision at an age from ca. 8 years on is better. |
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Babylon
Sweden
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Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 16:32:48
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I myself really doubt if itīs good to circumcise a baby or not, weīre having a baby in January and actually itīs a big problem for me to decide if I should go ahead and do it or not (IF itīs a boy, donīt know that yet  ). My partner thinks itīs a must but I think maybe itīs better to let the boy decide himself when he is a grown up? Iīm scared to think about that they will first stick a needle and then cut on my child. Is it not very painfull? What if he will wish later on in life that we had not do it on him and be mad at us?
What a dilemma, this is the first time we have had major cultural disagreements in our relationship. Oh well...
About the hygien, does it really cause a lot of bacteria and dangerous diseases nowadays if youīre not circumcised? I mean, maybe the access to water and soap wasnīt that easy back in the days as it is now? |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 16:40:17
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| I think it cost free to do it in Denmark by a doctor before the baby reach a certain age (can't remember if its one or two months old) otherwise one has to pay. |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 16:42:27
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You are going to have a baby, Babylon, this is great news!  And now I understand why you like baby shower... 
IN CASE it is a boy, I propose a compromise: No circumcision as a baby, but later. I don't understand why your partner, as a Gambian, insists on circumcising the baby. As far as I know this is not the Gambian tradition.
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Babylon
Sweden
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Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 16:57:07
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 Thankīs Serenata!
Yep, I would sure love to have a baby shower and receive lots of presents. Baby stuff are expensive. Found a cheap KINDERWAGEN in Germany actually, a Knorr that weīre gonna order next week. Unfortunately, we donīt have that baby shower tradition here... yet.
My man is from Ivory coast by the way. He was circumcised when he was about 10 years old or so, but Iīm not sure about what the law says about it here in Sweden. If itīs allowed to do it that late. People usually do it here before the baby is 2 months old. Way too early, in my opinion. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 17:57:15
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The reason why boys are circumcised at age 8 on wards is because they attend a sort of school teaching them society and their responsibilities. Such schools dont exist or if they do, have lost significance. Today circumcised boys are seen walking in town even before they heal.
Such schools used to be located in the bush and for 90 days they never come home. They are taught sign language, good manners, responsible parenting, survival skills, and they are also taught to be tough and strong, hunting etc.
That environment does not exist anymore. You cant have it both ways. So, its ok to circumcise them when they are two days old. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 20:19:32
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Congratulations Babylon, Both of my son's were circumcised last year at ages 11 and 12. They always knew they were going to be circumcised for religious,traditional and health reasons. I noticed a maturing in their attitudes.
Peace
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kiwi
Sweden
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Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 21:14:01
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Babylon, congratulation to you and your man! You already have three?
Do search for information on the net and ask a surgeon for advice, the operation must not be painful. But I doubt if it is necessary to do it at all |
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Babylon
Sweden
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Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 21:42:45
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Thank you Sister Omega and kiwi01!
Yes kiwi01, this will be my third child . My mans first, so he is very exited about this whole pregnancy. Pampers me all the time and makes sure babymama is feeling alright . The sweetest guy on earth!
Too bad that we disagree on the circumcision. I have so many thoughts going through my head about it, to do it or not. But then again, what if itīs a girl after all? then I would not have a thing to worry about.
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 17 Nov 2006 : 14:45:46
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Babylon, this is what I asked myself: What are these good people discussing if they even don't know if it will be a boy or a girl? But it is ok to make decisions in advance; discussions at the cradle aren't nice.
P.S.: Being very superstitious, I'll congratulate when the baby is born! But my best wishes - may you be the proud mother of a sweet and healthy child in January. |
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kiwi
Sweden
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Babylon
Sweden
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Posted - 18 Nov 2006 : 09:32:27
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Thank you very much Kiwi! I found the information very useful, and now Iīm even more sure about that it is better to wait until the boy is mature enough , atleast 15 years old, to make an own decision as the new law proposition suggests.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Nov 2006 : 11:24:57
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My feeling is that aswell as it being a health issue and a religious issue, its main purpose was as a rite of passage from being a boy to being a man. In the same way with girls when they start their periods. So I would think the teenage years would be the best idea. Then it is an informed choice. Similarily in the church of england young people are reconfirmed into the church around the age of 13 or 14. They make their promises that their god parents made for them at their christening in their own right. They should attend lessons and go into it fully informed.
In the uk I think alot of teenage boys could do with some sort of rite of passage into adulthood. In a secular society these things are often missing. Leaving school is one special event, drinking. smoking, having sex, driving a car.......for the first time they all mark growing up. But what about something really positive? Any ideas?
Going off into the bush in Gambia at time of circumcision does still happen around Kwinella, but more and more people ot for the safer option of the hospital. WHy not have both? Operation in hospital and then some time in bush to learn what they need to know to be a man?! |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 18 Nov 2006 : 12:01:17
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Originally posted by gambiabev
My feeling is that aswell as it being a health issue and a religious issue, its main purpose was as a rite of passage from being a boy to being a man. In the same way with girls when they start their periods. So I would think the teenage years would be the best idea. Then it is an informed choice. Similarily in the church of england young people are reconfirmed into the church around the age of 13 or 14. They make their promises that their god parents made for them at their christening in their own right. They should attend lessons and go into it fully informed.
In the uk I think alot of teenage boys could do with some sort of rite of passage into adulthood. In a secular society these things are often missing. Leaving school is one special event, drinking. smoking, having sex, driving a car.......for the first time they all mark growing up. But what about something really positive? Any ideas?
Going off into the bush in Gambia at time of circumcision does still happen around Kwinella, but more and more people ot for the safer option of the hospital. WHy not have both? Operation in hospital and then some time in bush to learn what they need to know to be a man?!
Lately, yes. I missed the special bush songs, the food, and the masquerades.
It's a living thing.
Bev; if i were to be given a choice then, who dares unzip my pant?
But sure! You can wait for some age that is reasonable. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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