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kobo
United Kingdom
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toubab
Gambia
92 Posts |
 Posted - 20 Nov 2006 : 09:43:20
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Originally posted by jambo
aku pickin and ylowe, i agree with you, it is frighteing the mony, time and energy that can be lost dealing with money "payments", but there is a another side to this, i worked with someone who was keen to help me, but the got sacked, who ever you work with in gambia in a civil servant level could not be the same person you deal with next time around. loss of time is loss of money and interest.
because of this aku pickin took his project away, how sad.
i am considering taking mine to liberia, there they will be happy.
Jambo, you are quite right, so many Europeans pull their projects here because of the corruption. Many many people get turned over here with land/house /business deals, even those who have known their Gambian 'friends' for years.Maybe its because as Europeans that is the type of people that we attract. You will rarely get to meet the honest hard working Gambian as they are busy getting on with their own lives and not interested in the lure of money that a toubab has come to represent here. Even GTS, that wonderful chartity here has been connned, so all you out there, proceed with caution. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 20 Nov 2006 : 16:38:19
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Originally posted by toubab
Jambo, you are quite right, so many Europeans pull their projects here because of the corruption. Many many people get turned over here with land/house /business deals, even those who have known their Gambian 'friends' for years.Maybe its because as Europeans that is the type of people that we attract. You will rarely get to meet the honest hard working Gambian as they are busy getting on with their own lives and not interested in the lure of money that a toubab has come to represent here. Even GTS, that wonderful chartity here has been connned, so all you out there, proceed with caution.
The average Gambian baby has a credit of many thousand Dalasis that is notknown to them. How does Gambia repay their debts?
The report above is nothing new to me. I have been raising this problem , but nobody seemed to be intrested. I have good information about how most of these monies are spent just like nothing. It is the civil servants themselves that are not honest at all. From the custom depert. to the last are all cheating the people. This is one of the problems of sortage of salaries. The Govern has no good controll aparatus. Auditors call and prepare accountants for the auditing. The heads that buy from LPOs and other ones charge the government more than the goods cost. Bank loans are given only to people with good contacts , never mind you have a poor savings. I encountered a lot of fraud whilts working at home , and if you point it out, then you are a lair or people call you all sorts of names.
Gambians must be honest to themselves and the nation before things get right. People must start to think of what they can do for Gambia and not vis á vis. Most of the big mmansions being built are monies that have been borrowed by Gambia and utilised by just a few. This problem has been there since during the time of Ousainou Njie at the CDBank at Leman Street. People take loans and refuse to pay. This was the problem they had with the APRC when they just took over. They tried to help the IMF to recover loans and all the opposition said that Yahya Jammeh is taking their homes by force. Now what is done to set the record straight? |
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jambo
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Posted - 20 Nov 2006 : 16:49:34
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alhassan, thank you for your comments, i agree that it is civil servants that cause some of the problems. many times i have wanted to help the local gambians but the run around they get when they try to do something is shocking.
The gambia has lost a lot of good potentional projects that would have brought jobs to the local communities.
Some of the civil servants treat their jobs like a boys club, but how can you change it. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2006 : 18:17:30
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Originally posted by jambo
alhassan, thank you for your comments, i agree that it is civil servants that cause some of the problems. many times i have wanted to help the local gambians but the run around they get when they try to do something is shocking.
The gambia has lost a lot of good potentional projects that would have brought jobs to the local communities.
Some of the civil servants treat their jobs like a boys club, but how can you change it.
The Civil servants are symptoms and not casuese of the problem. Treating the symptom does not cure a disease. What we need to address is systems in which they operate not individuals. Many heads have rolled and no change yet and there will never be. They operate within a work culture which must be addressed otherwise the system just incarnates new ones.
Lets treat the causes not symptoms |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2006 : 19:38:03
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hi kons, but you have to aknwledge that you have disease in the first place, and some people are in denial |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2006 : 19:41:39
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| I sure do. But we need to go beyond acknowledging a problem. Tha stage was known since independence. We need to graduate to a higher level. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2006 : 11:36:38
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Originally posted by kondorong
The Civil servants are symptoms and not casuese of the problem. Treating the symptom does not cure a disease. What we need to address is systems in which they operate not individuals. Many heads have rolled and no change yet and there will never be. They operate within a work culture which must be addressed otherwise the system just incarnates new ones.
Lets treat the causes not symptoms
Kons,
in your opinion what or who is the cause? You cannot diny that civil servants are responsable. Ministers and heads of state cannot monitor all what is happening in every depertment. They cannot run after them like body guards. To be honest applies to all from the President to the last born in the country. You know certainely what I am saying here. Honesty is the best policy or as the saying goes "Take some and leave som, but don't take it all". This is a good principle. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2006 : 18:42:50
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Originally posted by Alhassan
Kons,
in your opinion what or who is the cause? You cannot diny that civil servants are responsable. Ministers and heads of state cannot monitor all what is happening in every depertment. They cannot run after them like body guards. To be honest applies to all from the President to the last born in the country. You know certainely what I am saying here. Honesty is the best policy or as the saying goes "Take some and leave som, but don't take it all". This is a good principle.
Thats the worst principle. Like they say in wollof NDANKA NDANKA MOI JAPA GOLO.
If we all dip our hands in the national coffers but little by little, ultimately, there will be nothing left. The very act of dipping ones hands is an issue to avoid or even encourage.
This was a fmaous saying of Mobutu. I read the interview in Newsweek Magazine years ago. It took Zaire to the stone age. WHERE YOU TIE A COW NA DAY HE GO EAT(Creole) is a plague in African financial solvency. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2006 : 15:55:51
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Originally posted by kondorong
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Originally posted by Alhassan
Kons,
in your opinion what or who is the cause? You cannot diny that civil servants are responsable. Ministers and heads of state cannot monitor all what is happening in every depertment. They cannot run after them like body guards. To be honest applies to all from the President to the last born in the country. You know certainely what I am saying here. Honesty is the best policy or as the saying goes "Take some and leave som, but don't take it all". This is a good principle.
Thats the worst principle. Like they say in wollof NDANKA NDANKA MOI JAPA GOLO.
If we all dip our hands in the national coffers but little by little, ultimately, there will be nothing left. The very act of dipping ones hands is an issue to avoid or even encourage.
This was a fmaous saying of Mobutu. I read the interview in Newsweek Magazine years ago. It took Zaire to the stone age. WHERE YOU TIE A COW NA DAY HE GO EAT(Creole) is a plague in African financial solvency.
Kondorong,
WHERE YOU TIE A COW NA DAY HE GO EAT(Creole) is a plague in African financial solvency.
This has been a big proble in the Gambia and has to be eradicated. Government should set up proper controll apparatus so as to bring all this dishonest people to justice. The other problem is the way we tackle them. If I do wrong and it comes out or if I am revieled by anyone, then that person is said to be a liar when he spoke the truth. In the Gambia, people look too much between the fingers because of different family and friendship ties. These things have spoild Gambia so much. those in charge of the controll are themselves griddy.
I would not have hesitated to employ only Europeans as Auditors and accountants because of the cheating done by the Gambians. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 18:57:15
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| Where you tie a cow na day eh go eat,No wonder Yaya is swallowing everything as he have no time to chew. |
There is no god but Allah |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 20:58:09
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
Where you tie a cow na day eh go eat,No wonder Yaya is swallowing everything as he have no time to chew.
DANDE NA TRUE ORE. ALHASAN HAVE BECOME OFFICIAL SAJE BAND MEMBER.YAY OOR ,YAYA OOR . CORRUPTION IS RAMPANT TODAY THAN EVER. ALHASAN DO YOU KNOW HOW YAYA GOT HIS HUMMER ,I MEAN THE FIRST ONE? THEY FORCE A YOUNG GAMBIAN BUSINESS MAN TO SELL IT TO HIM. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT COST ? THE ONE HE BOUGHT FIRST WAS CLOSE TO $50,000. THIS IS SECOND HUMMER. I KNOW THIS GUY WHO WAS FORCE BY PORTS TO SELL IT.IF YAYA CAN COMPETE WITH BLING BLING BOYS WHAT DO YOU THINK HE IS DOING? |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2006 : 02:46:19
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| Have some fresh milk from my cows brother SANTANFARA,Alhassan is one of jammeh's die hard.spies are everywhere "ACHUE DEH MOUDUO"Yaya JEPOE. |
There is no god but Allah |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2006 : 06:39:47
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
Have some fresh milk from my cows brother SANTANFARA,Alhassan is one of jammeh's die hard.spies are everywhere "ACHUE DEH MOUDUO"Yaya JEPOE.
THANK LEMON FOR THE MILK. do not fear the dark forces ,but don't underestimate the power of darkness.even the queen of england confess to being afraid of dark forces in world politics.she said this dark forces can do any thing to get there opinion accross.she made this coment on princess diana memorial day. but Allah state in the noble qur-an that ''the pen has been lifted and the ink is dry''.yaya will fail in his bid to held gambia to ransom. as bob marley says do not fear the power of atomic energy. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2006 : 10:17:22
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Originally posted by SANTANFARA
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
Where you tie a cow na day eh go eat,No wonder Yaya is swallowing everything as he have no time to chew.
DANDE NA TRUE ORE. ALHASAN HAVE BECOME OFFICIAL SAJE BAND MEMBER.YAY OOR ,YAYA OOR . CORRUPTION IS RAMPANT TODAY THAN EVER. ALHASAN DO YOU KNOW HOW YAYA GOT HIS HUMMER ,I MEAN THE FIRST ONE? THEY FORCE A YOUNG GAMBIAN BUSINESS MAN TO SELL IT TO HIM. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT COST ? THE ONE HE BOUGHT FIRST WAS CLOSE TO $50,000. THIS IS SECOND HUMMER. I KNOW THIS GUY WHO WAS FORCE BY PORTS TO SELL IT.IF YAYA CAN COMPETE WITH BLING BLING BOYS WHAT DO YOU THINK HE IS DOING?
You seem to have a good information. Why not use it to bring the guy to the law. Because I say the government is not everwhere or has no good controll apparatus so I am a die heart Jammeh. Say what you want, but you cannot change my mind. |
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