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Santanfara
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 Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 07:35:53
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i say the gambia should disband the army. it doesn't have use and i have not seen any thing positive about them. the only thing they are good at is sleeping arround and being rude and pompous. they go arroud intimidatating people .they cannot even stop any short of rebellion. you may disaggree but the facts are there to prove it. example farafeni and gungur. let us talk if any body dispute my assertion. walking arround in uniform and braking that ''i am a member of GNA''.STUPID!!!
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 07:55:51
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Every country needs an army incase it needs to defend it's self against invasion.
But that is different to USING the army against your own people to enforce a dictatorship. The everyday 'policing' should be done by the police force and NOT the army.
The army and the police shouldnt be used against its own people. They should be working FOR the people, SERVANTS of the general public.
I am a pacifist and think an army should only be used when a country needs to defend its self and protect its borders. But to totally disband the army is going a step too far, even for me! |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 12:18:04
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 15:39:53
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Every country needs an army incase it needs to defend it's self against invasion.
But that is different to USING the army against your own people to enforce a dictatorship. The everyday 'policing' should be done by the police force and NOT the army.
The army and the police shouldnt be used against its own people. They should be working FOR the people, SERVANTS of the general public.
I am a pacifist and think an army should only be used when a country needs to defend its self and protect its borders. But to totally disband the army is going a step too far, even for me!
Bev,
Which country has tretened Gambia? The Gambia does not need an army because Gambia cannot support it. The country can do without it because we have only Senegal as neighbours, and Senegal shall never invade Gambia. The intrest between the two countries is not worth a war.The relationship between the two countries is too close. I cannot think of harming Senegal, and many Senegalise think the same way. As I said before, you have a lot to learn about Gambia. The postings on the forum does not give the correct picture because most of the members live outside Gambia. Hanging on to Lemon Time would realy mislead you. Try to bild your own opinion or please find out more when you are there next time.
Gambia does not need an Army. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 16:44:48
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Santafara you are dreaming there's no way Gambia is going to disband the Army.
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 17:00:19
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Santafara, broadly speaking i think there are valid reasons why it was created and those reasons are still valid today. the threat is not always from outside. internal disturbances do/can occur.
Secondly perhaps you are not aware of the Casamance Civil War right on our doorstep.
it is important to be prepared. |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 17:24:52
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Njucks, as far as I know the Casamance rebels are not threatening Gambia. And what do you mean by 'internal disturbances'? Do you really think an army should kill its own people? Or do you see armed rebels in The Gambia?
Anyway, I also think the idea of disbanding the army is illusionary. Besides this, they can be helpful: I know a man who had been cheated by someone who took goods from him, didn't pay and refused to return the items. The man called the army, and when they saw his claims were right some soldiers accompanied him to the cheater's house. He got back everything. This is a quite nice service for the citizen.  |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 17:47:45
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I heard that 'soliders', from Cassamance had come across the border near Gunjur. Also perhaps one day Senegal might just decide to walk in to Banjul and take it if there were no army? Finally I had heard that there were anti government forces in camps inland in Kiang district in the bush training? rumours? gossip or truth?
I do have my own opinions built from reading papers, watching news. internet AND listening to the Gambian people that I meet on my travels. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 18:09:04
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I support santafara. We dont need an army. Adoulie Wade can drink tea at statehouse if he so wishes in less than 24 hours. The senegalese army in Ziguinchorr alone can take over Gambia. If four rebels can take over Farafenni Camp, what about a batallion?.
They are not useful anyway to us other than draining salaries and not serving us. They dont have any peace time duties like road repairs etc. We need a professional police force period. The army is doing police job whilst the [police are running after the taxi drivers |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 18:42:36
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Originally posted by serenata
Njucks, as far as I know the Casamance rebels are not threatening Gambia. And what do you mean by 'internal disturbances'?
Serenata. The casamance rebels are not threatening the gambia simply because the gambia has an army!!!. Dakar would be much closer if there was no army in the gambia.
maybe some background info. there was no army in the gambia after independence until around 1984 when the current army was created. what we had was called a field force, think of it as a special unit.
but to proof to Santanfara and you, in 1981 (when there was no army), a Libyan sponsored maxist militia overthrew the government and siezed power for a week. almost 1000 gambians died in one week!!!
THIS WAS AN INTERNAL DISTURBANCE.
the Senegalese army was invited by the government in 'exile' to restore law and order. they did so and stayed to help us establish our current army. the Senegambian Confederation was also a product of those times.
the concerns of Santanfara cannot be solved by getting rid of the army but like all aspects of gambians society we need to increase the level of education, and the entry level qualifications.
almost the entire civil service can be said to be corrupt, should we get rid of them too? this approach is wrong.
i hope this helps
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 18:52:03
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Originally posted by njucks
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Originally posted by serenata
Njucks, as far as I know the Casamance rebels are not threatening Gambia. And what do you mean by 'internal disturbances'?
almost the entire civil service can be said to be corrupt, should we get rid of them too? this approach is wrong.
i hope this helps
The difference is we cannot do without a government(civil service) but we can do without an army. Gambia's Field force never went beyond 150 men an dyet we kept the peace. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 19:09:42
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Originally posted by kondorong
The difference is we cannot do without a government(civil service)
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i agree with you. however there are Anarchists who dont believe in an organised civil society with a government. that is why we need rational people like you to argue these things out, so they see the light.
but i think my point was whether the Field Force prevented the 1981 Attack or was capapble of it.
Can/should we take that risk again with the life of 1000 gambians.??
to try and fail is one thing, to be caught with your pants downs is another thing.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 19:31:28
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Originally posted by njucks
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Originally posted by kondorong
The difference is we cannot do without a government(civil service)
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i agree with you. however there are Anarchists who dont believe in an organised civil society with a government. that is why we need rational people like you to argue these things out, so they see the light.
but i think my point was whether the Field Force prevented the 1981 Attack or was capapble of it.
Can/should we take that risk again with the life of 1000 gambians.??
to try and fail is one thing, to be caught with your pants downs is another thing.
Well with the army in place, how many Gambians have died or disappeared since 1994? Did the army serve the Gambians. Hell no. So with or without an army we are worst off. So why not save money and disband. That way we dont have to pay to die.
The opposite is to die without paying which is a better option. Atleast your taxes are not wasted. |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 19:36:14
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njucks, I know about the 1981 incidents, and if the rumours about Kiang are right this could lead to another very problematic situation.
But Kondorong is also right: The Gambian army can never be a protection against foreign invaders (I can't imagine that Senegal is planning it, btw.). And it is expensive.
What about making the army a multi task force - military training plus training in disaster protection, e.g. in case of floods or fires. Gambia is not rich, and so many people who just sit around, clean their weapons and play with their toes is pure luxury. |
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Aku_pickin
Christmas Island
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Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 19:41:50
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Regrettably, an army has been established and sorry to say, it is here to stay.
The way forward like someone stated earlier, is that the prerequisites to enroll in the GNA should be increased considerably. I.e. Completion of secondary education at the very minimum.
The GNA's role's and responsibilities need to be clearly defined so that they don't conflict or duplicate the role of the police. The GNA should be responsible for border security, infrastructure maintenance and development during peace time and crowd control on major occasions. They should not be at every junction with their road blocks in the name of security. This is a farce as all it is a way for them to get bribes from the citizenry. They should not be in the role of settling minor disputes between neighbors and friends that is the responsibility of the police and judiciary. |
Justice must be served as impunity brings more repression and corruption! |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2006 : 19:53:25
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Originally posted by serenata
But Kondorong is also right: The Gambian army can never be a protection against foreign invaders (I can't imagine that Senegal is planning it, btw
well i understand you private concerns but my contributions were only to defend the concept of a military establishment. Governments come and go, and how state institutions behave during specific times should not influence your principle. the German Army was simultaneously invovled in killing civilians between 1939-1945. Should German not ever have an army again? C'on guys
Serenata there is no evidence that the Senegalese army can accomplish any task against the gambia, the Casamance problem has been going on for 20years!!! military science is not about size but 'tactics'.
however an invasion from outside will not be in anyone's benefit as the last resort is simply guerrilla warfare and sabotage! |
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