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Babylon
Sweden
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 Posted - 17 Oct 2006 : 20:54:01
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I think Madonna seems like a smart old lady and her children seem well taken care of, and my guess is that she is not doing this because it´s a "jolie trend" because she is mature and intelligent enough.
I would have been more worried if the child was adopted by Michael Jackson...
But I also think it´s very important for adopted children to know their roots and where they´re coming from. Just as important as for biracial children. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Oct 2006 : 21:03:15
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Babylon you have summed it all.
we must always try to have balanced debates and avoid negative and almost racist prejudices. there is no evidence that interacial/cross cultural adoption doesnt work.
when people do things out of love/kindness it/they must be respected for that rather than ruling things out.
that only shows our own innermost racist urges.
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Newfy
Western Samoa
462 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2006 : 21:53:51
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If you ever have a chance see the film Daughter from Danang.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/daughter/filmmore/index.html
Summary of the film Daughter from Danang
In 1975, with the end of the war in Vietnam imminent, Mai Thi Kim, a poor, young Vietnamese woman, sent her seven-year-old daughter to America as part of a controversial evacuation program known as Operation Babylift. The parting was devastating to both mother and child, but Kim believed her Amerasian daughter -- the product of a brief love affair with an American Navy officer -- would be in danger in Vietnam. The little girl was adopted by a single woman, renamed Heidi and brought up in Tennessee, where she concealed her Asian past and became "101%" American. Twenty-two years later, Heidi tracked down her birth mother and visited Danang. The reunion that had raised so many hopes and expectations for Heidi and Kim quickly became rife with tension and misunderstanding as the cultural gulf between Heidi and her Vietnamese family grew larger and larger.
Film Description
In 1975, with the end of the war in Vietnam imminent, Mai Thi Kim, a poor, young Vietnamese woman, sent her seven-year-old daughter to America as part of a controversial evacuation program known as Operation Babylift. Kim believed her daughter Hiep -- who was conceived during a brief love affair with an American Naval officer -- would be in danger in Vietnam. "What I heard really worried me," Kim says. "If you had worked for Americans and had racially mixed children, they said those kids would be gathered up, they would be soaked in gasoline and burnt."
The parting was devastating to both mother and child. Kim wondered why the American social worker didn't provide her with any documentation detailing where Hiep was going. "I asked her, if she didn't give me any papers, how could I find my child in the future? [The social worker] said when the Americans came back, I would have my child again."
Daughter From Danang cuts between mother and daughter as the two recall the pain of their separation, and retraces Hiep's journey from Vietnam to Pulaski, Tennessee, where she is adopted by a single woman and renamed Heidi. Her new hometown has few Asian residents and a history of black-white racial tension. Heidi's mother convinces the little girl to conceal her Vietnamese heritage and became "101%" American.
In 1997, Heidi decides to return to Vietnam in search of her mother, and the filmmakers follow her. Both women have enormous expectations of their reunion. "It's gonna be so healing for both of us to see each other again," says Heidi. "It's gonna make... all of those lost years not matter anymore." Shortly before the women meet, Kim tells us that she has dreamt of her daughter. "I told her my dream had come true. That I was no longer hopeless and disappointed, and that I would never lose her again."
In intimate, beautifully shot sequences in Danang, the film follows mother and daughter over the course of their one-week reunion. And in painful, difficult scenes, viewers see the women's many hopes and expectations dashed as it becomes apparent that the cultural gulf between them is much larger than either ever imagined. In a final, wrenching confrontation, the gap seems unbridgeable.
At its core, filmmakers Gail Dolgin and Vicente Franco have created a thought-provoking film about identity, family and culture: What shapes our sense of self? What defines our concept of family? And how do cultural expectations influence our choices? Since the film takes places against the backdrop of the Vietnam War it reveals how the trauma inflicted by that conflict continues to haunt and harm those who survived it.
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jambo
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Posted - 18 Oct 2006 : 00:04:29
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fact one, Madonna wanted another baby , decided to go shopping, two weeks ago, visited the shop in malawi, paid money to the orphanage store got the baby,
this sounds callous but it is a fact, money talks africa will become the new place to shop for children, last decade it was Vietnam, last 5 years eastern europe.
Why does Malawi have rules of 18months waiting, 3 children to USA last only, then madonna comes two weeks gets a child Watch the floodgates open.
Also if she has paid 2 million to the orphange, why nothing to the father at least a car, taxi something, i just think it was callous, the child will have alife to envy but watch this space for the darker side to emerge.
Is anyone reading the news lately, the "family" are expecting to make visits to the UK to see DAVID , but it will include a few officials.  yeah right. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 18 Oct 2006 : 15:35:37
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| Jambo try Knocking any African door with MONEY and see what happens. |
There is no god but Allah |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Oct 2006 : 17:06:04
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It seems as if we are turning full circle again in the demand supply chain of human beings. All those middle aged women with money to spare can go to Africa and pick up a baby. Doing their bit for humanity by raising one child out of poverty.  And when they are done they will run and buy Madonna's latest CD snd celiberate by getting giggy to it!
Wow,last week the Chinese baby trade was exposed for its ruthless kidnapping of children from parents without their consent. This week the African baby trade is launched. Some people will say at least the child has people who can love him, and doesn't need to grow up in an orphanage presuming that orphanages are as stark as those pictures we've seen in Romania in the 90's or China. SOS orphangein Gambia is a prime success story of an African Orphanage which puts the British care system to shame.
Other's will say it's just another media stunt by Madonna? I'm just wondering what David will say in twenty years time when he gets older if he has a positive identity of his own? It will be interesting to see whether or not David's adoption was in his best interest as a human being or for his adoptive mother's career. It will be also interesting what precedence Madonna's case sets for children being adopted froma Africa from an immigration point of view.
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 18 Oct 2006 21:24:20 |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 18 Oct 2006 : 18:38:04
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It is sad that Malawi had to brake their own laws to allow Madona circumvent the adoption process.But I am glad that child right's activists are ready to challenge Madona's adoption of David Banda.
Meanwhile i am very troubled by the increasing trend of celebrities runningg to Africa and the developing world to literally buy off infants and take them overseas.Human beings should not be traded like this all because of the concept that " I want to be able to help one child out of poverty".Our governments and people need to be careful about this trend. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2006 : 01:40:43
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Hi Kobo thanx for the above link. quote:
ActionAid said: "There are nearly one million baby Davids in Malawi. To make a real difference, we have to fight the root causes of poverty."
I totally agree with the above statement.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2006 : 01:51:13
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Its controversial but there are some beautiful thoughts and comments in favour of Madona's humanitarian gesture.
I believe Madona deserve something in return and her choice is to adopt a child and be part of her family in the spirit of LOVE! |
Edited by - kobo on 19 Oct 2006 01:54:07 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2006 : 02:18:52
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Inaddition, the political hype is being oversighted. Remember Angelina Joli's first adoption from Asia was not as popular than the second from Africa. Again Madona back to Africa and one of the poorest Malawi. AFRICA is always on the spotlight in terms of politics and deprivation of certain benefits and viable investments.
The other point that motivates Madona may be religious as it is belief in some religions especially Islam that caring for the ophans and orphanage provides salvation! Don't know whether her Kabbalaah spiritual leader privately had influenced on this venture. There is no doubt that she sought blessings and spiritual guidance on this venture, in my opinion.
Material Girl is very generous and has invested lots of millions to revamp the club she started with fame. There are many celebrities who don't care any project or foundation for Africa.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Oct 2006 : 02:26:50
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I believe Madona deserve something in return and her choice is to adopt a child and be part of her family in the spirit of LOVE!
Kobo maybe you are right only Madonna and Our Creator knows what's in her heart. However there is a principle at stake here is Madonna above Malawi law? That's still needs to be decided and yes her donation as a philantrophist is very generous, and will no doubt help numerous Malawian orphans and that is to be applauded.
However it is going to be very interesting to see what happens next in this David case as far as intercountry adoption is concerned. This going to be an interesting dilemma for the British judicary to decide upon, if the Malawian state challenges it. This saga will run the test will be whether or not Mr and Mrs Ritchies' relationship will stand this rollercoaster ride beings though they have just got over a rough patch before they decided to bring a potential new member into the family. I'm sure social services will be scurtinising the in's and outs of that the press will be having a field day. What a media circus to bring a child into. It would of been better for her to relocate to Malawi and gone through the normal procedures that way all of her family would learn about David's culture and customs. Then doing it this way round, anyway maybe she is getting onto he publicists right now to write her Autobiography no doubt it will be a best seller.
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 19 Oct 2006 02:33:09 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2006 : 02:34:20
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Some information about Karbalaah under http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006480341,00.html
FROM ABOVE LINK:
A source said: “Guy and Madonna always wanted a large family and kept trying after Rocco. But they discovered they were having problems despite all sorts of fertility treatments.
“Chinese philosophy has similarities to Kabbalah and Madonna feels an empathy with the country.
“She feels she would be able to bring up a Chinese baby with the same sort of ideals that Kabbalah teaches.”
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2006 : 08:13:42
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Thank you Kobo. I especially enjoyed this part of the story :
"A source revealed yesterday that the singer now planned to learn the Malawian language Bantu as well as study the country's traditions. The insider said: "She wants David to grow up with a sense of his own culture. She'd like him to have a home in Malawi, so he can visit his relatives and tribe.
"It's important to her that she doesn't place him in a white culture that has nothing to do with his place in the world."
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 19 Oct 2006 : 14:03:57
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WHY ARE WE BELAMING THE MATRIALY GIRL WHAT HAS SHE DONE WRONG? SHE DIDNT WENT THERE AND KINAPED DAVID.THE FATHER OF THE CHILD AND THE AUTHORITY ALL HAS SAID THAT ALL THINKS WENT ON THE RIGHT WAY EVEN IF THAT IS AS WE KNOW NOT TRUE AND THEY SAID THINGS DIDNT STARTED ON THAT DAY BUT LONG TIME AGO TROUGH HER AGENT.IF THERE IS ONE TO BLAME IS THE AUTHORITY OF MALAWI FOR SURE LY SOME THINGS DIDN’T WENT ON RIGHT WAY COSE OF MONEY?MORE THIS COULD BE ALSO GOOD FUTURE OF MORE CHILD.MY PERSONAL CHOICE IS TO DO THAT ON HIS TRUSTED ENVIROMENTS (AFRICA).AS WE JUST READED FROM ONE ETHIOPIAN WHO HAS BEEN ADOPTED FROM ONE WHITE FAMILY AND HE SEEMS BE UNHAPIER AT ALL. AND
AS LEMON PUT IT IF YOU ARE NUKING AN AFRICAN DOORS YOU WILL ALWAYS COME OUT WITH PLANT OF WISHS.
POVERTY IS A CANCER WHICH IS HARD TO TREAT
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