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kondorong
Gambia
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 Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 22:50:23
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Originally posted by kobo
Thats the gratuitous message Jammeh and APRC deserve from him and gracefully. Thats politics, diplomacy and statemanship.
Jawara cannot dictate any influence on Gambian politics but is a BIG CHESS PIECE demoted to a pawn in Gambian politics.
The FLAWS in conducting the elections should not be over-cited and sidelined by bringing Jawara on the spotligth again!!!!
God blessbthe Gambia.
Unfortunately, Jawara is not history yet. His legacy is still being written. No one is blaming him for the election flaws. However, if he chooses to congratulate the winner, he should also commend the oposition for taking part and believing in democracy. Without parties, you cannot have a democracy.
Inaddition, as "champion" of human rights( excuse me Baldeh), he should have made his disatisfaction known just the same way he made known his pleasures to congratulate. That way, he will be seen as the elder statesman that befits his status. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 23:28:57
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Kobo,
I wanted to borrow your former avatar, but couldn't find it on the list.
Madis, Baldeh, and Kons-you guys got it. I understand his situation, which is to say an elder who is given refuge in his own country. If he cannot condemn bad things, he should not entertain being used for cheap statements. I like uncle Mbemba's stance.
What the old man should have done, when given refuge to return home, was to consider all his team mates. Most of them were mad at him then. This refuge was only for Sir DK.
I agree with Madis that he was a man of peace, mandinka word-"Kairaba". Also, the first president. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 23:51:35
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What about reports of THE INDEPENDENT OBSERVERS. There are qualifications on the way elections was conducted before the VERDICT which was highlighted in diplomatic sense albeit APPROVAL MADE THAT THE ELECTION WENT WELL PEACEFULLY AND THE VERDICT is o.k!
Kondorong, Jawara is a human being and no one should dictate his decisiveness or prejudice his decisions. He was silent and neutral during campaign. And post-elections, what follows next are the protocols, tactfullness and diplomacy. Remember also about the media's style of presenting their reports is sometimes commercial orientated and for publicity or one-sided.
As a mature statesman and granted ANNESTY to return and given a status under Jammeh and APRC what do you expect under his PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCES guys? |
Edited by - kobo on 03 Oct 2006 23:57:09 |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 00:32:30
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We except complete silence from the Old Pa. Since he has decided to abandon everything he had worked for to please Jammeh for selfish reasons, we expect nothing but for him to bow down his head and enjoy what he considers benefits.
Could you imagine Jawara receiving financial assistances from Jammeh as if he has no right as a citizen. If he had done right, he would not have become a slave to so called benefits. I guess that is his pay back for betraying the nation. You rip what you shaw....
His previous experience has no significants to our current political circumstances. The more he speaks, the more he exposes himself to Jammeh who insults his previous regime on a daily basis.
It is sad that such a person who led a nation to independence will allow himself to be reduced so low. What else have we not seen in our African politicians. More accountability in the hereafter for him and anybody in leadership positions....
It is time we give Gambians the credit for being peaceful. It is not because of Jawara, or Jammeh, or "FARABOS". Our people are peace loving, caring and compassionate. The kudos goes to Gambians, not a single leader. The leaders are the failures PERIOD.. |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 00:34:50
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We expect him to be fair in his dealings period. If he congratulates the victor, he should also comfort the looser. Thats what is expected of him.
Infact, if he could be silent when many went to jail including memebers of his former cabinet and he kept quiet, he should just continue to be quiet. But to pick and choose what he chooses to "see" and to turn a blind eye to others is not what we want of him. ANYWAY, AN APPLE DOES NOT FALL FAR FROM THE TREE. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 01:15:02
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Kondorong I reminded you that Jawara is mature to decide decisively and no one can prejudice his decisions. He knows what he has said and you don't have any influence to dictate that he should talk about the opposition. Thas not relevant anyway as you felt that way in your opinion.
No one has the mandate to rule out Jawara in Gambian politics so long as he is alive! You are all entiltled to your opinions but does not meant that you dictates what others perceive of Jawara's comments on the VERDICT! Its a done DEAL and Jawara was not monitoring or coordinating how the ELECTIONS were conducted.
We have the IEC under REMOTE CONTROL and other AGENTS (soldiers in Green banners etc), state media and resources at disposal of the incumbent. They are all Gambians, whether PATRIOTIC OR NOT I DON'T KNOW! Its TRIVIAL to use Jawara asa SCAPEGOAT or rely on his comments to disualify him from Gambian politics. The FLAWS are more important than Jawara's appraisal of the PEACEFUL atnosphere during elections and congratulating the WINNER within his own civic rights. Be fair with this old gentleman and move on with the PRESENT GENERATION and tackle them to TASKS AND CHALLENGES!
FEAR FACTOR FOR WHAT? Why can't you call a "SPADE A SPADE"? Jammeh and APRC are now on the spotlights and don't divert our attention to the pressing DEMANDS infront of us and the CHALLENGES THAT LIE AHEAD please!!! Dbaldeh Jammeh is not only insulting Jawara's regime but insulting and abusing all Gambians on a regular basis with ..."whether you like it or not Billahi waalaahi talaahhi I dictate this and must do this to you and the nation!!!"
God bless the Gambia! |
Edited by - kobo on 04 Oct 2006 01:25:53 |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 01:37:44
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Originally posted by kobo
Kondorong I reminded you that Jawara is mature to decide decisively and no one can prejudice his decisions. He knows what he has said and you don't have any influence to dictate that he should talk about the opposition. Thas not relevant anyway as you felt that way in your opinion.
No one has the mandate to rule out Jawara in Gambian politics so long as he is alive! You are all entiltled to your opinions but does not meant that you dictates what others perceive of Jawara's comments on the VERDICT! Its a done DEAL and Jawara was not monitoring or coordinating how the ELECTIONS were conducted.
We have the IEC under REMOTE CONTROL and other AGENTS (soldiers in Green banners etc), state media and resources at disposal of the incumbent. They are all Gambians, whether PATRIOTIC OR NOT I DON'T KNOW! Its TRIVIAL to use Jawara asa SCAPEGOAT or rely on his comments to disualify him from Gambian politics. The FLAWS are more important than Jawara's appraisal of the PEACEFUL atnosphere during elections and congratulating the WINNER within his own civic rights. Be fair with this old gentleman and move on with the PRESENT GENERATION and tackle them to TASKS AND CHALLENGES!
FEAR FACTOR FOR WHAT? Why can't you call a "SPADE A SPADE"? Jammeh and APRC are now on the spotlights and don't divert our attention to the pressing DEMANDS infront of us and the CHALLENGES THAT LIE AHEAD please!!!
God bless the Gambia!
Well kobo, you have been flip flopping. You implied he was an independent observer and now you are saying he was not. What was he? Secondly no one is ruling out Jawara in Gambian politics. Infact i said his legacy is still being written and for a man who ruled the country for 30 years, he has touched every fiber and being of our lives.
Why are you very sensitive to the old man. Personally i have no potical friend. My political friend is the one who serves the interest of the people in a given time frame. When they cease to be accounatble, then the radar will be beamed on them.
Yes you are right to say that Jawara has a right to congratulate the winner. However, may i remind you that rights go with responsibilities and one of those is to acknowledge the existence of all contenders for contributing to the democratic process.
Well, i dont think i needd to waste much breathe on this. One led to the other. Infact the Fulani saying: MBURU FOFF FOR FORINGE comes to mind. It means, no matter what type of bread one bakes, its always made of flour.
One was the teacher and the other a student. Now that the student has graduated, it behoves on the teacher to confer the degree. Case closed.
The mandinkas would say: NIYEH LA MBIRO NIKINDI NYOBORO LA, NA YEH BORING LOONG MENA, IKA LONG KO, AA BULO KOY TA LEH. (Whenever a trainee wrestler throws his master to the ground, that is the day he graduates). |
Edited by - kondorong on 04 Oct 2006 01:43:31 |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 01:43:57
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 02:02:43
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Kondorong stop speaking in parables or flip flopping around. I adhore Jammeh for geanting him the high profile status he deserves. Its a blessing for him to have annesty and be priviledge to be accorded state security and other PRIVILIEDGES as he deserved it as a prominent Ex-Head of State with popularity until that fateful day.
ITS YOU GAMBIANS WHO ARE THE INTERESTING CHARACTERS AND DON'T KNOW WHAT IS RIGTH OR WRONG MORESO WHAT IS JUDICOUS TO THE NATION AND THE NATION'S ASSETS; BUT NOT JAWARA OR JAMMEH!
God bless the Gambaia! |
Edited by - kobo on 04 Oct 2006 02:04:31 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 05:14:31
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Quote from Cherno Baba Galleh Jallow and mentioning Jawara's legacy:
"Since 1994, the political landscape has languished beyond salvage. Now, we are forced to view ex-president Sir Dawda Jawara's days with a certain Arcadian luster. The moorings of nostalgia have left us immobilized, our collective memory submerged in a deluge of longings for the times of old." under:
Gambia: Jammeh's Victory, Deciphered http://allafrica.com/stories/200610030014.html
and latest updates on relevant articles on the elections:
Gambia: The Will and Verdict of the Gambian Voters Must Be Accepted and Respected by All under
http://allafrica.com/stories/200610030013.html
and Gambia: 'I Was Impersonated' Says Mbemba Jatta under
http://allafrica.com/stories/200610030012.html |
Edited by - kobo on 04 Oct 2006 05:19:10 |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 21:45:37
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quote:
Originally posted by kobo
Kondorong stop speaking in parables or flip flopping around. I adhore Jammeh for geanting him the high profile status he deserves. Its a blessing for him to have annesty and be priviledge to be accorded state security and other PRIVILIEDGES as he deserved it as a prominent Ex-Head of State with popularity until that fateful day.
ITS YOU GAMBIANS WHO ARE THE INTERESTING CHARACTERS AND DON'T KNOW WHAT IS RIGTH OR WRONG MORESO WHAT IS JUDICOUS TO THE NATION AND THE NATION'S ASSETS; BUT NOT JAWARA OR JAMMEH!God bless the Gambaia!
If Gambians don’t know what is right or wrong but only Jawara and Jammeh know the difference then we have a big problem. In your eyes Kobo, only Jammeh knows the best whilst the whole country is sleeping. Yet you have talked about problems with good governance, human rights etc. I don’t know how you can reconcile that.
The problem is that one needs to be consistent. I hope you were not among those who were throwing themselves to the ground crying when Jawara announced his retirement from politics at Mansa Konko saying we were doomed because without him, Gambia will disappear. May be new recruits have also been trained to make us believe that without Jammeh, Gambia will disappear. Remember jammeh was not far from the old pa as a statehouse guard commander and therefore learnt a lot while touring the country with him. Like i said, AN APPLE DOES NOT FALL FAR FROM THE TREE.
If this is what you are really made of, then I don’t think you can sit in judgment about good governance since your believe is that only Jawara and Jammeh know what is right and wrong.SINCE YOU USED THE WORD "YOU" GAMBIANS, which is a third person plural, perhaps you are not a Gambian afterall and therefore should just leave gambia to gambians. However as per your statements above, let more heads roll, let more people disappear, let more go to jail, let more newspapers be closed, let every one shout:
WE ARE AT YOUR SERVICE MASTER. YOUR PLEASURE IS OUR SEEKING; TREAT US AS YOU MAY AND YOU SHALL NOT FIND US WANTING IN SERVING YOU. WE WILL SACRIFICE OUR SOULS AND EVERY FIBER OF OUR BEING TO BE YOUR MOST OBEDIENT, RESPECTFUL HUMBLE SERVANT. HERE ENTERS OUR LORD WITH DIVINE AUTHORITY TO RULE OVER US TILL ETERNITY.WHETHER GAMBIANS VOTE FOR HIM OR NOT THE ANGELS AND JINNS WILL, AS IT WAS IN THE BEGINNING SO SHALL IT BE IN THE END |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2006 : 08:21:36
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Kondorong you talk in parables and I don't seem to understand most of your points. However in my opinion we don't need Jawara to qaulify the elections and as he is brougth back into the spotlight hope it would not be attempts to divert attention to the PAST rather than subjecting the PRESENT to moe TASKS AND CHALLENGES.
There was no IEC under Jawara's era and PPOP days but elections under Jawara's era and present era which appears to be more transparent, free and fair? Which of them between the two eras does the opposition cries foul and allegations of fraud?
God bless the Gambia! |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2006 : 21:35:02
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Please give sir Dawda a break.He is only a human being like all of us and has every right like any Gambian to either to criticise or congradulate the Jammeh administration on anything.
History tells us that when Sir Dawda upted to step down as president and party secretary Ganeral in Mansakonko,some Gambians {I will not give names} were not only refusing to let democracy take smile on us and allow a first stage to presidential term limit but want to rally behind the oldman to loot our coffers and thus deprive many citizens from development.
Who can blame Jawara?The man bowed to public pressure and stayed as some powerful men then, rallied people to make him stay for their own selfish needs.What would you have done if you were wearing his shoes then?
Those greedy brutes are to blame for all our thirty years of darkness.My friends a president is a single person,thats why he/she employs ministers to handle other institutions so if the president fails and those ministers succeed,the nation would shine but if the president succeeds and all the ministers fails,the nation will slide into darkness.
This is true even with Jammeh's case.If all those 100+ secretaries of State had done their coata to nation building,we would have had the first African paradise on earth even if Jammeh fails.But if he succeeds, he is only one against 100+.
peace
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 00:18:13
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Janfara, you are right Jawara is a single human being. However, I strongly disagree that he is not ultimately responsible for what his ministers and looters did.
It was because of his naive leadership that is why his subordinates were not prepared to take over from him. As head of household you are responsible in growing leadership responsibility among your children for a take over after you are gone.
I tell you what I would have done, after the almost the whole country pleaded for him to stay. I would have instituted reforms and combat corruption with immediate effect. I would have systematically replace anybody who was acuse of corruption. I would have created an independent electoral commission to strengthen the institutions of democracy. It was evident that those who were crying for him to stay were corrupt to the bones and were scared for their lives. Corruption was a daily occurence in the Gambia and yet he did not say a word much more do something about it.
Ultimately the buck stops with the leader and he was responsible. It was selfish for him to sit and watch every government institution collapse like mudslides. There was and would never be any excuse for not correcting what was evident even to the junior soldiers.
Jawara was and will always be a failed leader even in his own mind. Pretty much all the projects Jammeh instituted had funds set to go during Jawara's time. There were grands to build the airport, TV station, roads, hospitals and schools. There was ample international support for his government and yet he chose to let Dr. NAFA SAHO, DIBBA and others ruin Gambia. No excuse for Jawara please. |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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