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kondorong
Gambia
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 Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 20:01:11
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I believe Jawara should not have made any statement on the elections as to whether it was free or fair. Since he gave up his democratic right to participate in politics, then he has implicitly given up his right to expression in any political activity which includes making a public statement regarding the conduct of the election.
Inaddition, by refusing to make further comment for the opposition to join the government in building a better Gambia indicates a biase and as a former president created an impasse after the election.
When OJ, Halifa et al were put in prison, Gambians never heard a word from him. So the question is, has jawara really retired from politics or has he retired from the PPP as a Party. Certainly his last statement on the election does not indicate a retirement from politics but perhaps from the PPP as a party.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 20:11:43
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Jawara is a living legend and prominent Gambian statesman NO MATTER WHAT HE RULE GAMBIA FOR 30yrs until the bar in GAMBIAN POLITICS moved to another level. We are very lucky to see him back to his country under COMPULSORY RETIREMENT IN POLITICS.
HE IS CONSIDERED AS AN INDEPENDENT OBSERVER DURING THE ELECTIONS!
we should show some element of RESPECT TO THE OLD PA, thats the ARICAN tradition to your seniors and elders!
God bless the Gambia! |
Edited by - kobo on 02 Oct 2006 20:14:04 |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 20:22:46
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Kobo
Did you appoint him as an independent observer? What is disrespectful about the posting.
The old man has a place in history and whether we talk about it or not history has and is recording that. So you can choose to face it now or bury your head in sand but i promise you when you come out of the fox hole, it will still be right in your face to be dealt with.
So deal with it for now or be forever reminded.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 21:49:50
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He is CITIZEN in all respects and he is eligible to his constutional rights. HE MAINTAINED HIS SILENCE AND NEUTRALITY throughout the campaign and my opnion qualify as an INDEPENDENT OBSERVER on the contestants. However, in my opnion there is the likely tendency for him granting Jammeh his vote and owing him moral support because of the priviledges granted to him by Jammeh. He deserves OUR HUMBLE RESPECT and his opinion does not QUALIFY THE ELECTIONS.
Why do you suddenly change your temparament and now speaking in parables? You coined a new topic :"DO WE NEED JAWARA TO QUALIFY THE ELECTIONS?" and expressed your opinions to introduced the topic. I forwarded my own opinion and to share my thoughts and you reacted otherwise.
Stay cool and calm Kondorong. Its just a lively topic and there are no controversies so far. Hope am out of the "fox hole?" You are a VERY MATURE MEMBER but don't expect you to perceive me in the wrong way.
We need discussions and OPINIONS and I have not alleged anything against you. Hope the air is clear
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 21:58:34
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Originally posted by kobo
Jawara is a living legend and prominent Gambian statesman NO MATTER WHAT HE RULE GAMBIA FOR 30yrs until the bar in GAMBIAN POLITICS moved to another level. We are very lucky to see him back to his country under COMPULSORY RETIREMENT IN POLITICS.
HE IS CONSIDERED AS AN INDEPENDENT OBSERVER DURING THE ELECTIONS!
we should show some element of RESPECT TO THE OLD PA, thats the ARICAN tradition to your seniors and elders!
God bless the Gambia!
Kobo
I think you talked about us showing some element of respect to the old pa. Since i was the only one who made the posting, then it is safe to say that you were talking to me and as such you saw my posting as being direspectful. This is basic logic. KUMO MOU NING SIRING LEH TI, NIYA BULA, AKA BAA LEH WAALING.
No parables here. However, i am flattered by your comments that i am a matured person.
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Dalton1
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 00:50:42
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I think Kobo missed the posting, but he might pick it up.
Since the old man won't utter any thing about the ongoing activities (against the citizens), then that in itself should bar him from saying statements in favor of Jammeh. With due respect to the old man, but staying away from such statements will earn him more respect.
We didn't hear him say anything about the atrocities committed. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 01:09:49
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Dalton 1 we are aware under what conditions these elections have been subjected. People don't pay heed to the logistics and levelling of the field. The elections has been conducted peacefully and the opposition made BLUNDERS and there is a VERDICT endorsed by A MASSIVE PROPORTION, whatelse can an elderly statesman like Jawara said? Politics goes with diplomacy and the Old Pa is a good diplomat and statesman!
Acknowledgements and diplomacy follows through the media hype. Thhas why the Old Pa is brought back on the spotlight to bless the VERDICT!
God bless the Gambia! |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 13:40:09
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| This old PA fail Gambians for 30years so who wants his comments? |
There is no god but Allah |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 15:19:00
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The comments is a PUBLICITY STUNT for the media, Jammeh and APRC! Failing Gambians for 30 yrs is debatable, comparable and contrast with the current regime! We have exhausted those topics several times and never came to common consensus but only left with open and unanswered questions; under different TIME ERAS; with different circumstances and world order! However we are always back to square one and should progress with the NEW ERA and scrutinised the current .......promote development, improve the WEAKNESSES AND HINDERANCE TO PEACE, PROGRESS AND STABILITY?
We need the way forward! Past is history but history is also in the making.
God bless the Gambia! |
Edited by - kobo on 03 Oct 2006 16:02:39 |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 16:51:01
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 19:21:59
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Thanks for your endorsement Lemonyime. Its not that am right by the way. Its for us to have a sense of DIRECTION TOWARDS THE FUTURE! Jawara has been given his COMPULSORY RETIREMENT ND MARCHING ORDERS AND PPP REGIME TOPPLED!
Gambia is moving forward with BOTH POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES advanced to critical stages or somethings seen nowadays (both positive s and negatives) makes us WONDER HOW CAN GAMBIA AND LIFE IN GAMBIA BE LIKE THIS TODAY? Now OUR DESTINY IS IN THE HANDS OF JAMMEH, APRC AND ("ALLAH"?). The word "DESTINY" covers beyond Jammeh and APRC's ERA, thats why ONLY "ALLAH" KNOWS what the FUTURE holds!
God bless the Gambia! |
Edited by - kobo on 03 Oct 2006 19:25:28 |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 19:55:54
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It is the same the world over. Politicians very rarely retire gracefully! When Margaret Thather became British PM Edward Heath (the ex PM) was a real thorn in her side. 
It will be interesting to see how Tony Blair is with Gordon Brown when he finally leaves office and hands over the reigns. Presumming Gordon grabs them before some upstart gets in!! 
EX leaders have a wealth of knowledge that should be used constructively to support the government of the day. Other than that they should be quiet and go fishing or paint watercolours or something!!!!!! |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 20:42:46
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With all due respect for the OLD PA as an elder, He is another failed African leader living to never want to retire. The man wanted to rule for life and systematically lead our tiny country into ruins.
I absolutely have no respect for his role as a leader who lead our nation for 30 years without adequate running water, decent healthcare, education, and sustainable food supply. He turned our country from self food production into lazy beggars waiting for expired food supply from the West.
No one, but Jawara's failed leadership is responsible for the brain drain in the Gambia. No matter how one spins his case, he is another African King who never aim to build the production base of his economy thereby leaving his country among the poorest of the poor nations.
I don't get it when people speak of Jawara's human rights records...
Where is the human rights records without equal access to education for all children???
Where is the human rights when three quarter of the populace don't have access to clean drinking water, decent meals, healthcare facilities for them and their children?
What is so human rights when only a section of a nation enjoyes the wealths and luxuries of a nation? I can go on and on.....
The only reason we still look at Jawara as better is because Jammeh's human rights records are worst than Jawara. This by no means does it mean Jawara should be given applause in anyway. He is historically responsible Jammeh's rise to power.
So, Old Pa Jawara should just shock up to Jammeh and appologize to Gambians for failing them for decades and decades. I see him as morally bankrupt in the arena of politics by abandoning all his fellow exiles only to return for a meager benefits from Jammeh.
I am sorry, but I don't buy anything about Jawara's leadership and involvement in our current politics. I guess like many other Gambians, I think we deserve better either under Jawara or Jammeh period. I can never forgive this man for the fake human rights indoctrination of our people for so long...
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 20:48:48
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 21:39:28
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quote:
Originally posted by dbaldeh
With all due respect for the OLD PA as an elder, He is another failed African leader living to never want to retire. The man wanted to rule for life and systematically lead our tiny country into ruins.
I absolutely have no respect for his role as a leader who lead our nation for 30 years without adequate running water, decent healthcare, education, and sustainable food supply. He turned our country from self food production into lazy beggars waiting for expired food supply from the West.
No one, but Jawara's failed leadership is responsible for the brain drain in the Gambia. No matter how one spins his case, he is another African King who never aim to build the production base of his economy thereby leaving his country among the poorest of the poor nations.
I don't get it when people speak of Jawara's human rights records...
Where is the human rights records without equal access to education for all children???
Where is the human rights when three quarter of the populace don't have access to clean drinking water, decent meals, healthcare facilities for them and their children?
What is so human rights when only a section of a nation enjoyes the wealths and luxuries of a nation? I can go on and on.....
The only reason we still look at Jawara as better is because Jammeh's human rights records are worst than Jawara. This by no means does it mean Jawara should be given applause in anyway. He is historically responsible Jammeh's rise to power.
So, Old Pa Jawara should just shock up to Jammeh and appologize to Gambians for failing them for decades and decades. I see him as morally bankrupt in the arena of politics by abandoning all his fellow exiles only to return for a meager benefits from Jammeh.
I am sorry, but I don't buy anything about Jawara's leadership and involvement in our current politics. I guess like many other Gambians, I think we deserve better either under Jawara or Jammeh period. I can never forgive this man for the fake human rights indoctrination of our people for so long...
MAWDO A HAALI GONGA Fula( my senior you have said the truth).
Definitely Jawara has a bad record in terms of development. Though he was man of peace he allowed the wanton looting of the limited resources of the country by a few and their cronies. If he had built us a University for example, i like many others would not having been toiling/slaving in this country to have my degrees. I would have been PhD since having my A levels almost 17yrs ago on home soil. with all the loans and grants his grants his gov't received for sectors such as Agriculture Gambia should have been self-sufficient in food. If he had not over-stayed probably we would never had Soldiers ruling us. Nonetheless the coming of the soldiers is some how i blessing in disguise they gave us in 10yrs wat he couldn't give us in 30yrs.University, TV, Roads, Hospitals, Schools etc.
Well Sir Dawda should have kept his low profile and retire for good. His comments could be mis-interpreted as siding with Jammeh and the APRC. |
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kobo
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 22:39:09
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Thats the gratuitous message Jammeh and APRC deserve from him and gracefully. Thats politics, diplomacy and statemanship.
Jawara cannot dictate any influence on Gambian politics but is a BIG CHESS PIECE demoted to a pawn in Gambian politics.
The FLAWS in conducting the elections should not be over-cited and sidelined by bringing Jawara on the spotligth again!!!!
God blessbthe Gambia. |
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