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gambiabev

United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Sep 2006 :  08:00:22  Show Profile Send gambiabev a Private Message
There might be more children in school, but at what age do they drop out due to the financial pressure? I agree it is good to see that girls are getting their share of education.........but at what age does it stop and they end up back in the compound?

The schools need a better budget. Do they have a budget at all?
If so, it is VERY difficult to see where it is spent. Schools with no books, pens, paper etc..... Relying on charity for their existence. There are lots of charities in uk supporting schools in Gambia, paying for teachers etc. THAT is the GOVERNMENTS job.I help with a nursery precisely because the government doesnt fund that area at all. But existing primary and secondary schools SHOULD be properly funded by government.

How about a FREE school dinner? FREE school transport? FREE education. There is still a long way to go.

Teachers need training and decent salaries. They should also be allowed to choose where they want to live and work and apply for jobs freely.
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Cornelius

Sweden
1051 Posts

Posted - 27 Sep 2006 :  08:42:57  Show Profile Send Cornelius a Private Message
The importance of education and of gender-equality here too, cannot be over-emphasised.

In the Gambia, we face much the same problems as in Sierra Leone:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=sv&q=Sierra+Leone%3A+education+of+the+girl+child&btnG=Google-s%C3%B6kning


Adult education is also of very great importance - it hurt to read the BBC report about the Gambian elections - that because of all-pervasive illiteracy, Gambians have to vote with marbles.
There is also the question of educating and alerting our electorates about their rights and civic - citizen responsibilities - about the environment for example. Fortunately the Gambia is Islamised to a great extent and the morality that goes with it is also crucial with regard to good adab: honesty and the ways in which we live according to the Golden Rule.

You must understand, if most of my examples and focus are usually Israel, the UK, the United States, Sierra Leone, Ghana and NIGERIA. These are areas with which I am most connected.
What is good for the goose:

http://www.statehouse-sl.org/seven-val-nov11.html


About Adult education, there's no point in applying the German proverb that "You can't teach an old German shepherd new tricks"
( i.e hope to change the old G.S's behaviour, easily. As difficult as changing the features and mentality of an old English bulldog. As you know, "old habits die hard."

We ought to pay more attention to this topic and try to put much more of our God-given money where our mouth is.

I have been particularly interested in e.g. the ideas and strategies of Paulo Freire who can be searched for in the search engine at the bottom of this page.



Edited by - Cornelius on 27 Sep 2006 08:57:36
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leokat



United Kingdom
123 Posts

Posted - 27 Sep 2006 :  19:28:21  Show Profile Send leokat a Private Message
UPDATE

I've recently returned from just over two weeks in The Gambia trying to sort things out (and it looks like you've all been pretty productive in my absence).

I had a wonderful time but whoever it was who mentioned the need to get to grips with boredom hit the nail right on the head. (I live a pretty sedentary life at home but nothing could have prepared me for the mind numbing boredom of day to day compound living). However, it was wonderful to be able to see the country as few tourists ever do. Despite being bitten by mosquitos, and being wet (from the rain or sweat) for my entire visit, I love the country more than before.

I didn't stay in my boyfriend's compound as the bedroom of his hut had been damaged by the rains, leaving him to sleep on a mat on the floor of his living room. However, I did visit and meet his mum, sister, brother, and various other young relations. His mother does not speak English so communication was difficult, and carried out through his sister. The mother was welcoming and charming but, I felt, less than thrilled by her son's choice of partner. his sister and brother were friendly and charmng (though I am aware that this could be because they see my relationship with their brother as having possible benefits for them).

I was shocked at the level of poverty my boyfriend and his family live in. Whilst, as I have already said, he has two businesses one only operates during the tourist season and the other is not lucrative enough to provide for all the mouths that need feeding. Despite this I was never asked for anything and his mother fed me daily, either at her home or by sending food round to the lodge where her son and I were staying. In addition, my boyfriend's friends all saw to it that I was fed whenever I visited them.

My boyfriend told me, and I have no reason to doubt him, that I am the first woman he has ever spent the night with. Being with him out of season allowed me to see another side to his personality. He seemed less cosmopolitan and more Gambian. He doesn't drink (tried it once - didn't like it), prays several times daily, and takes his role as the head of his family (his father is dead and he is the oldest son) very seriously. I really do not believe that he has any other girlfriend at present.

I asked him how he could sleep with me knowing that it is wrong according to his religion. His answer is that he has considered himself married to me from the first night we spent together and that it is my problem if I will not agree to make it official. He asked me to move to The Gambia and live with him but I have commitments in England that make this impossible.

He readily admitted that part of the attraction of my visit was that he could live in relative luxury for a couple of weeks (though by my standards the lodge was very basic). He also said that he found the fact that I had money to pay for meals out and taxis etc and he did not difficult. He agreed that if the world were not as it is then maybe we'd never have got together. However, we did enjoy each other's company. We share a sense of humour and way of seeing the world (which is at odds with his family's view). We like the same kind of music, nature, films, food etc.

For all of the above i did look at all the beautiful younger Gambian women and wonder why he is not with one of them. Listening to a conversation he was having with a friend one night I discovered that both like European women because they come as a single unit. As his friend put it: "Marry a Gambian woman and you marry her mother, her sister, her aunt, her neice - anybody can just turn up at your compound and demand to be looked after." Daunting for someone who already has to keep his own mother, sister, and brothers.

I am now sure that my (very limited) assistance is part of the attraction my boyfriend feels for me. However, people have had marriages of advantage throughout history. From beggar to king people have sought to better themselves by 'marrying up'. Maybe I am even ready to admit that, as I bought stores for his family, two gifts for him and partially kept my boyfriend for a fortnight, this perhaps amounts to prostitution. I do not feel good about this.

However, I do love my boyfriend and sincerely believe he feels something for me. Despite this I do not feel that our relationship can continue.I do not see any way we can be together and I do not have the money to visit him regularly. Also, I mentioned the issue of children with him and though he said that was not a top prority he seemed 'bothered' by the fact that i no longer believe i can have children (this is medical rather then age related btw).

As I have left it I have told my boyfriend that I will not be returning to The Gambia again (it would be difficult for a while as I have promised to visit Asia with my daughter and do not have funds for both). for me it would be easier to completely cut off from him but he still texts me every day. Maybe a true test of how much I really care will be if I can continue to be a friend, offering assisitance where possible, without expecting anything in return.

I do worry that now he has been with me my boyfriend will find it easier to chance his arm with the new crop of female tourists who will be arriving in the next few weeks. Given all that has been written about sex tourism recently i worry that he will be vulnerable to exploitation. Although he is in his late twenties and was no virgin when we met, I am sure he is no match for a hard bitten female sex tourist.
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serenata



Germany
1400 Posts

Posted - 27 Sep 2006 :  19:51:43  Show Profile Send serenata a Private Message
Leokat, your decision is a sad one. But at this time it looks like the best you can do.

Time will tell. Recently a (German) friend of mine married a man she met in Senegal 12 years ago. Their story was a little bit similar to yours: They were together for a while, she visited him in Senegal, but after two years or so they separated because she had to stay in Europe with her then underage daughter and he didn't want to leave his country. Now, after many difficulties, misunderstandings and even some bad intrigues by envious people it looks like a happy ending.
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kondorong



Gambia
4380 Posts

Posted - 27 Sep 2006 :  20:14:54  Show Profile Send kondorong a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by leokat

UPDATE

I've recently returned from just over two weeks in The Gambia trying to sort things out (and it looks like you've all been pretty productive in my absence).

I had a wonderful time but whoever it was who mentioned the need to get to grips with boredom hit the nail right on the head. (I live a pretty sedentary life at home but nothing could have prepared me for the mind numbing boredom of day to day compound living). However, it was wonderful to be able to see the country as few tourists ever do. Despite being bitten by mosquitos, and being wet (from the rain or sweat) for my entire visit, I love the country more than before.

I didn't stay in my boyfriend's compound as the bedroom of his hut had been damaged by the rains, leaving him to sleep on a mat on the floor of his living room. However, I did visit and meet his mum, sister, brother, and various other young relations. His mother does not speak English so communication was difficult, and carried out through his sister. The mother was welcoming and charming but, I felt, less than thrilled by her son's choice of partner. his sister and brother were friendly and charmng (though I am aware that this could be because they see my relationship with their brother as having possible benefits for them).

I was shocked at the level of poverty my boyfriend and his family live in. Whilst, as I have already said, he has two businesses one only operates during the tourist season and the other is not lucrative enough to provide for all the mouths that need feeding. Despite this I was never asked for anything and his mother fed me daily, either at her home or by sending food round to the lodge where her son and I were staying. In addition, my boyfriend's friends all saw to it that I was fed whenever I visited them.

My boyfriend told me, and I have no reason to doubt him, that I am the first woman he has ever spent the night with. Being with him out of season allowed me to see another side to his personality. He seemed less cosmopolitan and more Gambian. He doesn't drink (tried it once - didn't like it), prays several times daily, and takes his role as the head of his family (his father is dead and he is the oldest son) very seriously. I really do not believe that he has any other girlfriend at present.

I asked him how he could sleep with me knowing that it is wrong according to his religion. His answer is that he has considered himself married to me from the first night we spent together and that it is my problem if I will not agree to make it official. He asked me to move to The Gambia and live with him but I have commitments in England that make this impossible.

He readily admitted that part of the attraction of my visit was that he could live in relative luxury for a couple of weeks (though by my standards the lodge was very basic). He also said that he found the fact that I had money to pay for meals out and taxis etc and he did not difficult. He agreed that if the world were not as it is then maybe we'd never have got together. However, we did enjoy each other's company. We share a sense of humour and way of seeing the world (which is at odds with his family's view). We like the same kind of music, nature, films, food etc.

For all of the above i did look at all the beautiful younger Gambian women and wonder why he is not with one of them. Listening to a conversation he was having with a friend one night I discovered that both like European women because they come as a single unit. As his friend put it: "Marry a Gambian woman and you marry her mother, her sister, her aunt, her neice - anybody can just turn up at your compound and demand to be looked after." Daunting for someone who already has to keep his own mother, sister, and brothers.

I am now sure that my (very limited) assistance is part of the attraction my boyfriend feels for me. However, people have had marriages of advantage throughout history. From beggar to king people have sought to better themselves by 'marrying up'. Maybe I am even ready to admit that, as I bought stores for his family, two gifts for him and partially kept my boyfriend for a fortnight, this perhaps amounts to prostitution. I do not feel good about this.

However, I do love my boyfriend and sincerely believe he feels something for me. Despite this I do not feel that our relationship can continue.I do not see any way we can be together and I do not have the money to visit him regularly. Also, I mentioned the issue of children with him and though he said that was not a top prority he seemed 'bothered' by the fact that i no longer believe i can have children (this is medical rather then age related btw).

As I have left it I have told my boyfriend that I will not be returning to The Gambia again (it would be difficult for a while as I have promised to visit Asia with my daughter and do not have funds for both). for me it would be easier to completely cut off from him but he still texts me every day. Maybe a true test of how much I really care will be if I can continue to be a friend, offering assisitance where possible, without expecting anything in return.

I do worry that now he has been with me my boyfriend will find it easier to chance his arm with the new crop of female tourists who will be arriving in the next few weeks. Given all that has been written about sex tourism recently i worry that he will be vulnerable to exploitation. Although he is in his late twenties and was no virgin when we met, I am sure he is no match for a hard bitten female sex tourist.




Your piece very well resembles Foroyya Newspaper's column that deals with marriage and society.
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anna



Netherlands
730 Posts

Posted - 27 Sep 2006 :  21:52:42  Show Profile Send anna a Private Message
Hi Leokat! I was already wondering why we didn't hear from you - now that your 'dilemma' originated a discussion that went from prostitution to education etc., but anyway not much to do with your first posting.

It was a good idea to go back and find out about your feelings and your boyfriend's. But i know that meeting his family and seeing their circumstances will make it very difficult for you to end this relationship. There will always be a part of you, somewhere deep down, that wants to help this family. As long as you stay in touch, by text or by email or by sending money over, the contact will stay intact and there will be a day (i can assure you) that you will want to go back and see how everyone is - and you will be right back where you started. Also, in this way your boyfriend will keep hoping that one day you will come and live with him (making his life more comfortable, easier). I don't think he will let go easily.

Of course you should do as you think best, but if you really feel that this is a luxury you can't afford it's better to end it totally and get on with your life. If you want to help the Gambia, there are lots of ways through charities and you would never have to talk/write to your boyfriend again. It might be hard, but it is more clear. In the meantime, cherish the memories and in time your (ex)boyfriend can do the same.
i hope you will not be feeling too unhappy at the moment...




When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali)
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jambo



3300 Posts

Posted - 28 Sep 2006 :  15:27:11  Show Profile Send jambo a Private Message
leokat i am glad that you visited the family and saw the other side of the coin, it is a reality check. I agree with Anna, have closure on this for your own peace of mind.
Help in other ways, plenty of charities or projects to suport, it will be appreciated.
Your orginal posting did create a debate.
good luck with your travels
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toubab1020



12314 Posts

Posted - 28 Sep 2006 :  16:50:34  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
Leo,A difficult decision I am sure but its made now,the interaction with his family that you had played a big part,I cannot put it better than Jambo,this particular topic has benefited many people who read Bantaba and perhaps couldnt put their thoughts forward.

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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