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kajaw
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 Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 21:20:46
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I have been following the debate and the arguements between these groups with some interest. First of all, i do not have any problem with different political entities debating amongst themselves under normal circumstances. It is only through vigorous debate and free flow of openions that we can build an enduring society. However, where gambia is at present is not ordinary times. Gambia is under the chokehold of a murderous dictatorship. The goal should be how to extracate ourselves from this system and establish a respectable system. So it is painful to watch our oposition politicians spend their energy going after eachother rather than focusing on the goal of liberating this country from the yoke of opression that is sinking us all. I for one do not have a favorate. I have serious doubts about most of them to a point where i would find it difficult to vote for any of them in a presidential election. Having said that, if i have seen them united with a purpose and goals to end this long nightmare then maybe just maybe i will have enough confidence in some of them. As is stands, i see an oposition that is fractured and lacking in direction. It seems to me that The individual leaders of the oposition are busy fighting for position and not busy trying to advance the interests of the country
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 01:54:13
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| And so are they all honorable men . They together can be a force to reckon with but individually they just seem to be insignificant whatever their supporters say here or in the Gambia.Come on men we just lost it and are left with nothing but to cry for a redemption from on High. As they say when frustrated Chem lakad ! |
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rah
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 17:59:26
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| No panic! Even in a 3 way race, Liar Jammeh would lose fair and square. Gambians should not be underestimated. People are exhausted with Jammeh's lies. This is the first time in Gambian history that the incumbent, who rightly advocated; "2 terms and you're out ", turns 180o, after being corrupted by power, fool Gambians again into believing that he is the only capable person to lead the country. He can fool some people some time, but he can’t fool all the people all the time. Action speaks louder than voice. Liar Jammeh has failed big, and there’s no doubt about that. In a free and fair election, He would lose, regardless of a 2 or 3 way contest for the Presidency. yeh,rah |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 19:27:12
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Originally posted by rah
No panic! Even in a 3 way race, Liar Jammeh would lose fair and square. Gambians should not be underestimated. People are exhausted with Jammeh's lies. This is the first time in Gambian history that the incumbent, who rightly advocated; "2 terms and you're out ", turns 180o, after being corrupted by power, fool Gambians again into believing that he is the only capable person to lead the country. He can fool some people some time, but he can’t fool all the people all the time. Action speaks louder than voice. Liar Jammeh has failed big, and there’s no doubt about that. In a free and fair election, He would lose, regardless of a 2 or 3 way contest for the Presidency. yeh,rah
rah,
Has Khadimul Rasul Bamba spoken really?I hope you are right.Am however of the other view! |
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rah
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 22:01:13
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| You are right to be skeptical Janyanfara, but In a free and fair election, Jammeh loses BIG. yeh,rah |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Aug 2006 : 00:19:58
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| The key words you used are so apt that we can hardly ignore them here free as in freedom and fair as in fair play, which in my unconsidered judgement are utopian as far as the current political landscape lies . Let us not give up hope as a hopeless populace are doomed and Allah forbid that faith for us as a people.However the fact remains that we do not have a level playing field so the conclusion i for one have is that AJJJ will come out tops. Sorry but i am just distraught so what ever !!!! |
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kajaw
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Posted - 22 Aug 2006 : 05:30:54
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| My scepticism is not on whether these people can win. Individually each one of them could bit jammeh in a free and fare election. However, i do not expect a free and fare elections. The reason why i thought unity between all these groups is what is needed is the fact that like i said we are dealing with extraordinary circumstances and they require extraordinary measures. Even if they come together and beat jammeh, you and i know very well that jammeh is not going to simply walk away and accept defeat. He has to be forced out of office and a devided oposition even if victorous will find it much harder to do that. When the oposition in senegal under wadd defeated the dictator Abdou Diouf, he still wanted to cling to power but he knew that if he did, he will be driven from power by mass protest so he droped out. It happened in Kenya when an oposition that was devided for almost thirty years come together and kick out moi and his gang. It happened in Ivorycoast when mass protests threw out Robort Guai. Babangida was driven out by similar circumstances. So it is possible to kick out jammeh. It just takes a united oposition and a determined country. If the election is rigged, the oposition must be ready to die to force jammeh out. That is the ultimate test of their determination. It is simply not enough to drop out of the election in anticipation of voter fraud or to accept the results grudgingly after the fact. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Aug 2006 : 10:39:41
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| Its African politics and we shoould learn lessons from recent Congo elections. For the latest refer to BBC news! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2006 : 16:37:28
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Typical African politics when the political situtation became worst and power hungry leaders turn campaign strategies nasty and to rule at all costs. For the latest from the Democratic Republic of Congo under http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/5270544.stm
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kobo
United Kingdom
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kayjatta
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Posted - 22 Aug 2006 : 17:17:49
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This statement by Mathew K. Jallow ( see the link Kobo provided) caught my attention.
" The powers that Jammeh's has usurped for himself are not only unconstitutional, but he has in the process illegitimated his democratically elected government. This under our laws makes his overthrow by any means a legal and legitimate course of action to take against his government".
I wonder what constitutional provision , statute or case law support this assertion ? Could someone enlighten me , please ?
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Aug 2006 : 17:28:38
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Thanks Kayiatta. Its not about our conviction to fight and impose or promote someone's popularity we care more than others. The political business and job to be done has been demanded by the poltical realities on the ground and appear to favour the opposition under a united front (i.e a National Alliance) to capitaise and canvasse on the popular votes inorder to topple APRC and Jammeh.
NADD on the campaign trail is very revealing under http://allafrica.com/stories/200608220321.html |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 22 Aug 2006 : 17:43:56
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Thanks Kobo . My concern is that Mathew K. Jallow 's call for the "overthrow of jammeh's government by ANY MEANS" based on Gambian law appears to be very extreme and unsupported by the laws of the Gambia because it did not exclude violence (military coup and civil war).You seem to have the right idea, though.
Note that the rest of Mr. Jallow's article is agreable except the last paragraph where he called for extreme measures to change the government.I strongly differ on any suggestion of violence.
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taalibeh
Gambia
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Posted - 22 Aug 2006 : 17:46:34
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| Kobo, that is a brilliant link. May the ALMIGHTY guide NADD to a victory and help it deliver its promises and beyond. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Aug 2006 : 18:55:12
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| Time is eventually running out and Halifa inevitably (but not totally approved by UDP/NRP) as the flagbearer of NADD appear to be heading for nominations under http://allafrica.com/stories/200608220319.html |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2006 : 19:02:09
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Thanks Kobo . My concern is that Mathew K. Jallow 's call for the "overthrow of jammeh's government by ANY MEANS" based on Gambian law appears to be very extreme and unsupported by the laws of the Gambia because it did not exclude violence (military coup and civil war).You seem to have the right idea, though.
Note that the rest of Mr. Jallow's article is agreable except the last paragraph where he called for extreme measures to change the government.I strongly differ on any suggestion of violence.
I do appreciate your sensibilities but Jammeh is also an extremists and a criminal calling for such irresponsible illegal acts of treason which gave him the power. I remind you this quote from Jammeh's own speech:
"I have seen banners saying no to coup, but the reality is that people will say how then did he become head of state because he overthrew somebody’s government? Yes, I came through a coup d’etat, because what was happening in this country is unacceptable. On 22 July 1994, not even a frog died, much more a human being. When we came that day, in broad day-light, which Imam missed a Friday prayer?
If you have to ask me question as to whether we should say yes or no to coup d’etat, my answer will shock you. First, we should understand that there are three types of coups d’etat - coup d’etat based on tribal lines; coup d’etat based on greed and personal aggrandisement; and a coup d’etat to rescue a country from the brink of catastrophe. The first two types of coups d’etat no body should accept because those two types are perpetrated by people who do not even love their country; by people that are working for foreign elements and they do not want Africa or any country to move forward, and they are bent on bringing havoc. Those two types should not be welcomed but the third one we should welcome.
A coup d’etat is like a prescribed drug. Depending on how you use it, it could be useful and it could be dangerous."
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