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MADIBA
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kondorong
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 Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 21:38:14
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| Madiba, did you write this one for the point |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 22:05:48
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Originally posted by kondorong
Madiba, did you write this one for the point
konds why if i may ask? of course not. thats why it has it as culled. i can't write such a brilliant piece. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 22:19:24
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I thought you were going to run for the office in September |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 22:25:17
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Originally posted by kondorong
I thought you were going to run for the office in September
I prefer to work in the background. I will only contest when people like kons are not available |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 22:32:44
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| Kons is not in for the job. I can barely make the minimum criteria. I am too short for the job. You know in Rwanda being short was a big curse. They could not join the army and that is how the Tutsi and Hutu enforced the separation of powers in the country. One held the army the other held the government. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 22:37:39
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Originally posted by kondorong
Kons is not in for the job. I can barely make the minimum criteria. I am too short for the job. You know in Rwanda being short was a big curse. They could not join the army and that is how the Tutsi and Hutu enforced the separation of powers in the country. One held the army the other held the government.
who were the short ones?
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 22:51:12
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I will share a joke, which really happened. Someone was traveling to some village and it so happened that a lady gave birth to a child and this man was asked to convey the news to the village he was going to but he forget the sex of the baby.
When he came to the house of the father of the lady he said i am not sure if it was a boy or a girl but in this last generation, if it is not a boy it must be a girl. (NYING JAMANI LABANG, NA MANKEH MUSO TI AA BEKEHLA KEW TI; as though generations ago, there were many different sexes.
So it must be either the Hutu or Tutsi
Can someone help please.
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 23:13:51
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Originally posted by kondorong
I will share a joke, which really happened. Someone was traveling to some village and it so happened that a lady gave birth to a child and this man was asked to convey the news to the village he was going to but he forget the sex of the baby.
When he came to the house of the father of the lady he said i am not sure if it was a boy or a girl but in this last generation, if it is not a boy it must be a girl. (NYING JAMANI LABANG, NA MANKEH MUSO TI AA BEKEHLA KEW TI; as though generations ago, there were many different sexes.
So it must be either the Hutu or Tutsi
Can someone help please.
kons you will kill me STOP STOP STOP
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 23:15:50
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it is a question that is inappropiate to a cetain extent. Tutsi and Hutu are more or less the same, both genetically and culturally.
this is the ignorance that most people have. its lies with the original census down during the colonnial era but Tutsi and Hutus are the same. they speak the same language and have intermarriaged for a long time.
the general stereotype is that Tutsis are TALL, slim and ''european looking'' whilst Hutus are short, stocky and ''african''.
ITS ALL RUBBISH
in the genocide this is what they relied on to kill many who were even of their own stock.
there is no difference between the two, the only difference was political with own group being 'rulers' over the land , this was obviously exploited by colonialism as it made the job easier. in 1994 they paid the final price.
i hope this helps |
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MADIBA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 23:35:40
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Originally posted by njucks
it is a question that is inappropiate to a cetain extent. Tutsi and Hutu are more or less the same, both genetically and culturally.
this is the ignorance that most people have. its lies with the original census down during the colonnial era but Tutsi and Hutus are the same. they speak the same language and have intermarriaged for a long time.
the general stereotype is that Tutsis are TALL, slim and ''european looking'' whilst Hutus are short, stocky and ''african''.
ITS ALL RUBBISH
in the genocide this is what they relied on to kill many who were even of their own stock.
there is no difference between the two, the only difference was political with own group being 'rulers' over the land , this was obviously exploited by colonialism as it made the job easier. in 1994 they paid the final price.
i hope this helps
what a shame!! |
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kondorong
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Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 00:00:17
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there is no difference between the two, the only difference was ...... obviously exploited by colonialism. in 1994 they paid the final price.[/u]
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You said there is no difference and then said the only difference is.....
They are either the same or different. Secondly you can only exploit something that exists.
You cannot brush this aside. Ofcourse in any generalisation there is an exception to the rule. That is basic common sense.
The intermarriage also created another tribal group called the BANYA MULENGEHS found mainly in the areas around the congo. That is why that area is also in turmoil.
i am happy that you made mentioned of the colonial impact. While some one might argue otherwise, it would be safe to say that the Fulani are fair in complexion. When such statements are made, they are based on a majority sampling[/b]. Period. Lets not try to be very academic here or being philosophical. I only used the example to be humurous.
But i still stand by the differences stated. The colonialist used a height criteria that disproportionately favours one tribe against the other in military recruitment. Among the seven types of Fulani, the JENGEL, LOROBO AND TUCULOR tend to be taller and slim. The HABOBE are generally short with the LAOBE and darker in complexion. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 01:10:45
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so you think i cannot take a joke . i saw the fun side of it.
i was trying to point out that the generalisation is not true and its origins were in a census conducted in the colonial era. there the motive was to rule them by creating a division. completely understandable at that time.it made sense. but height was not the only criteria, cattle ownership was also used.
racial generalisation often has been found to be mostly false. when i said no difference i meant culturally, racially but yes there is a difference in terms of social class as Tutsis are historically the ruling elite. this was the difference that created resentment.
who told you there are seven (7) types of Fula??. you can generalise about fulas if you want.go to Fulladu, Niumi,Macina,Bissau (fulakunda), Sokoto and see for yourself. i have already had this debate with Gambiabev who follows your line of thinking saying that Jolas can be easily recognised because they have darker skin after you said all maids in the gambia are jolas. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 02:50:41
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Well unless you want to tell me GodWin Sonko is wrong. You just like to argue for nothing. People have studied that there are seven different types of Fulani.. Unless you want to tell me africah history authors like Gamble are wrong. We are yet to see your book but your are always arguing. These authors had a very good international standing in academia.
As to the issue of maids, you are taking it out of context. I never said you could recognise Jolas by their color. Please show me the thread. That was Gambiabev's thinking. What i said was that there is a lot of discrimination in the Gambia regarding tribes and that Jolas have been discriminated against.
I dont want to go to that issue which has been exhausted. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 04:41:41
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| Madiba you wrote this article. |
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jambo
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Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 14:11:38
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| i agree, Madiba, that was a good piece you wrote for the point. |
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