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kajaw
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 18:11:22
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I am refering to the story about a murdered british citizen in the gambia. The British government is disparching a team of police detectives to investigate. If a gambian is murdered in England, would the british government allow gambian detectives to be active in the investigation? Take the case of the Brazilian immigrant who was shot by the police in england, the british government refused the perticipation of brazilian invistigators. Why should we continue to allow them to interfare in our investigations?
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serenata

Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 18:20:08
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Could anyone find a cleaner proof for colonial arrogance? |
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jambo

3300 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 18:29:57
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I thought they were invited, secondly Gambia and the authorities can say no. Two different things, 1 the brazilian man was shot in cold blood, murdered in the line of" you fill in the blanks" , 2 the other other was murdered by foreigners, i thought the gambia government wanted to be open and above board to make sure that no innocent gambian was involved. that is why there is outside involvment. Also Brazil is not a former british colony, no extradition treaty. think Ronnie Briggs Gambia former colony, will kick out any unwanted foreigners in a minute.
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kajaw
70 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 18:32:00
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JAmbo, what you need to ask yourself is this, if a gambian citizen was murdered in England, would the british government allow the gambian police to be active in the invistigation ? |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 18:50:44
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kejaw i think if we made the request we would be allowed to come in and help with the investigation. there is also the issue of cost and capability especially when it comes to forensics
i'm not sure but in this case if i remember properly they were invited by the gambian side.
i dont think britain is an enemy, colonialist there were but even then things ran smoothly and i think its fair to say we see each other as partners.
in 1981 we invited the senegalese army and there was nothing imperialist about this, it could have well been the british army.
there is nothing wrong with asking for help i guess. |
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Sister Omega

United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 18:53:47
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If the Brit was a poor man and not a millionaire would the case of reached the British police, and wasn't it Mrs West the Nigerian woman from what I recall reported her husband missing to her local police when she arrived back in Britain.And the police then advised her to co-operate with the Gambian Authorities. In these circumstance kajaw I just don't buy the colonial arrogance theory. I just think Mrs West hung herself with very little help from anyone else. This story didn't even make the evening news in Britain the first time I heard of it was on the bantabaa.I just don't buy your theory Kajaw not in this case.
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kajaw
70 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 18:57:41
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I think the atitude is quiet different than what you are potraying. This has nothing to do with who is our enemy and who is not. It has to do with respect. The article i quoted seem to suggest that gambian authorities have already conducted their investigation and have charged the accuesd and they have already appeared in court. Would it make any sense for them to wrap up their investigation and charged those arrested then invite English investigators? I think it is more like the british police thinking those servage colonies do not know how to investigate a case so we better send in our invistigators and take the case from them. And naturally, the gambian police and administration with their colonial mentality would just say come over. |
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jambo

3300 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 19:05:59
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kayaw, as i said gambia can always say no. i just thought the gambian police wanted to have another pair of eyes, hands and ears on the case because it was not a Gambian who committed the crime. If it was a Gambian then I would agree, but the accused are not gambian nationals so why should the government say no to the british police, better to be above aboard. Also I think because forsenic science is involved, the Gambia police said okay and the local police can be part of a team and maybe get some exposure and experience of conducting foresenic science. Once again Gambia can say no. It is not colonial arrogance, the british police were invited to investigate the case. The Gambians want this case solved and for it to act as a warning to other Non-gambians to keep their nasty habits out of the country. This way the case gets international exposure. |
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sab

United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 19:15:20
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Greetings Kajaw, two Gambians have died in police custody in UK about eight years ago. ----- Jobe was held face down & the other -------- Sey was restrained whilst chocking. The inquest jury insisted adding manslaughter to the verdict of unlawful killing for I Sey.
http://www.injusticefilm.co.uk/page1.html
If I remember correctly Police Officers went to investigate the death of Mr Ford - story below. His daughter was a Police Sergeant.
** GAMBIA. RADIO HAM SHOT BY GAMBIA KIDNAPPERS By Nicola Woolcock (Filed: 07/11/2002) telegraph.co.uk
A former soldier who retired to The Gambia was kidnapped and murdered 12 days after arriving in Africa. Ronald Ford, 66, moved to the country in September after building a house there, believing it would be a peaceful place to live. His body was found, however, less than two weeks later in a shallow grave, just across the border in Senegal. He is believed to have been kidnapped by a gang, robbed and shot in the stomach and head.
The radio ham from Waterlooville, Hants, wanted to move mainly because of The Gambia's good quality signal and reception. But friends became worried when his broadcasts stopped with no explanation and alerted his family. The widower was reported as officially missing when he failed to return to Britain as intended on Oct 14. Four London officers were then sent to The Gambia and, helped by the country's police force, followed a trail that led to Mr Ford's body.
A post-mortem examination conducted in Britain showed he had suffered wounds to his wrist and ribs while trying to escape his attackers. An inquest has been opened and adjourned. The father-of-five's manservant, ------ ------, has been charged with murder and four other men have been charged with being accessories to murder. 73 (via Kim Elliott, DC, DXLD)
Under which ruling can Officers from UK go into other countries and investigate their crimes?as this has also been the case in other parts of Africa. |
The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 19:18:18
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Sister Omega, the case was reported in every english newspaper. The 'interest' to the tabloids was that it was a rich old white man marrying a young black girl. They werent that interested in which country the people came from. But were interested that it was at a UK tourist destination.
If a UK citizen is murdered abroad it is usual for the British police to work in partnership with the local police. Often each side has pieces of the jigsaw and when put together they solve the puzzle!
It depends on your attitude to UK police, and UK citizens in general whether you see that as interference or help. |
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LEMON TIME

Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 19:18:58
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WELL SAID JAMBO,THATS A GOOD POINT OF VIEW. |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 19:34:29
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i agree with Jambo. i think i have also read cases where british backpacker were missing in asia and in Australia and the local police went in to help solve the case.
which ever way you look at it, it is in the interest of both sides to solve the case.
but if you want colonial arrogance, a british man was involved in a case were a young child was sexually abused. he was detained and when released on bail his passport was sized. the embassy issued him a new one and he escaped. |
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kondorong

Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 19:36:52
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quote: Originally posted by njucks
i agree with Jambo. i think i have also read cases where british backpacker were missing in asia and in Australia and the local police went in to help solve the case.
which ever way you look at it, it is in the interest of both sides to solve the case.
but if you want colonial arrogance, a british man was involved in a case were a young child was sexually abused. he was detained and when released on bail his passport was sized. the embassy issued him a new one and he escaped.
The we should invoke another PERSON NON GRATA  |
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Sister Omega

United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 19:39:07
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I remember these two killings very well knowing people who knew them personally. There killings were examples of racist police brutality, Thse two killings do back kajaw opening agrument. At the time we heard no protests from the Gambian Authorities about the unlawful killings by the British police about their nationals. I just wondered if the situation would of been different if Ibrahima Sey and Jobie were tycoons would Gambian diplomats have registered their concerns about what had taken place? Would the Gambian High Commissioner at the time of paid a visit to Scotland Yard to make an official complaint.The in stark contrast Brazilian Authorities visibly stood up and vocalised their indignation about the brutal shooting of Menezies.Of course the circumastances were completely different but hopefully the Brazilians have set a new precedent for foreign governments who nationals have been killed by the police to demand a thorough investigation of the circumstances leading up to their citizens deathetc.
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Sister Omega

United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 19:41:29
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gambiabev I don't read tabloids that's why I missed it. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 19:42:08
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If a British person commits a crime in another country they should be tried under that countries laws and take the consequences. Perhaps that would stop them exporting their sick behaviour!!! They certainly shouldnt be helped to escape their punishment. |
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