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kajaw
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 Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 20:44:38
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According to the point news paper. The government of the gambia is condeming what Israel is doing to Libanon. Isint it double standards that the government is not condeming what the government of Sudan is doing to the people of Dafor. Over a hundred thousand people have been killed in Dafor and over a million displaced and living in refugee camps yet it dosent seem to bother the gambia government or the world in general. Morroco is doing the same thing to Western Sahara. Over the years, since morroco occupied Western Sahara, thousands of civilians have been killed and virtually the entire population is displaced.
So tell me something; why is the gambia government injecting itself in to this issue?
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 21:13:37
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International relations is very much dependent on which side your bread is buttered |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 21:27:42
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i dont think its double standards. the two problems are different. one is a violation of the UN chater with one coutry invading the other. Darfur is an internal conflict like Casamance,Uganda or Somalia. infact gambian soldiers are risking their lives in darfur.
if the Sudanese government was sending its troops to kill women and children in Darfur, even if its within Sudan then i think there would be similar comments.
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kajaw
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Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 21:37:01
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Njuks,
I think you are wrong. The rape and murder of innocent civilians in Dafor is both a violation of the UN chater on human rights and a blot on the conscience of the world. To say nothing about it to not condem it and to allow the government of sudan to continue to perticipate in international organizations is shameful indeed. Take Kosovo for instance. When the Government of Serbia started to target civilians NATo not only condemed it, they took action and beat back the serb forces. They could have stood idely by and clame that it is an internal matter. The same kind of tragedy is happening to dafor. I considered the Sudandese attendance of the African Union sumit a desecration of the Union itself and a fouling of all that it is suposed to stand for. People are being targeted simply because they are black. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 21:49:08
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thanks Kejaw. i dont think i am wrong. the UN charter is legally binding whilst the UN Human Rights is not legally binding , it is simply a Declaration outlining principles. from there member states can customise it. it is not legally binding. you cannot take another country to court on the UN human right declaration!
i agree with you on Darfur and we know why it is happening. they are trying to islaminise or arabinise people. it is equally possible that the government is sponsoring those responsible and acting in proxy.
but the difference is that NATO acted not the UN. the AU can act if it wants. what the AU has done is to send troop as 'peacekeepers' whatever that means
it is just like if you are killed in the streets of london by the british police (like they killed the Brazilian after the July bombings), its a violation of your human rights but not a violation of any major international treaty. its a domestic problem for the domestic law to solve.
in the ideal case the Sudanese government should guaranteed security for its own citizens.
i hope this clarifies my point. |
Edited by - njucks on 03 Aug 2006 22:00:40 |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 22:12:32
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I believe as a civilized society, we have to uphold basic standards. Therefore if dafor does not meet that standard the whole world should take action. Germany started as an internal matter in 1939 and if the world had not shown indifference, there would not have been a second world war.
As brother martin Luther said ".. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere...". I am however not aware of any country that has in its constitution that they will not respect the human rights of its citizens. So it’s a matter of law and lawyers being good at what they do, make laws complex and provide a basis for living. BA BULA JULO LA and JULO BULA BALA are all the same. However, for a lawyer they are different. They write the laws and unfortunately make a living in defining its meanings which a lot of the times never agreed upon even thought they wrote it.
If you can provide basic human rights to your citizens why would the UN Human Rights charter not be binding? It’s because we value lives differently. SOME LIVES ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS.
The basic reason is that some countries don’t want to respect rights of other and as such they would not want the Human Rights Charter to be binding even though the basic tenets of the UN Human Rights is in fact enshrined in national constitutions. WHAT IS GOOD FOR GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER
WE MUST PRACTICE WHAT WE PREACH OR STOP PREACHING IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 22:21:27
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your example of Nazi germany is an excellent one that can simultaneously explain what is happenning in Lebanon and Darfur.
Nazism was present in Germany before WWII and jews were in a tricky position,similar to the people of Dafur but lesser extent, however WWII only started and international Law was only violated when Germany invaded Poland.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2006 : 22:27:37
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| I therefore go back to my earlier posting that international relations is dictated by which side your bread is buttered and not is right. Infact one attempts to define what is a right, it will open up a can of worms. It only goes to confirm as human we are all selfish. We only protect what is ours and dont care what happens to thers so long as our surviavl is guaranteed. |
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kajaw
70 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2006 : 00:44:22
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It is cleare that there is double standards. African governments for what ever reason are never ready to criticize their own. No one can give me one example where the gambia government has condemed the actions of another african country. This kind of reluctance made the Rwanda genocide possible.
Second, the Gambia's bred is not buttered in Sudan or in Libanon. If any thing, the lebanses are exploiting gambia and making themselves rich.
One thing is cleare, African muslims always extend a sense of solidarity to Arab countries yet Arab countries do not value us with the same degree. Sure we have a sense of kinship because we are all muslims yet there is no similar recepocity. When there is a crises anywhere in Africa, people rely primarely on the west for help. Go look at all the foreign aid comming to africa, a very small percentage of it comes from wealthy arab countries. So i dont see our bread being buttered from those countries. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2006 : 00:49:12
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Who told you our bread is not being buttered. It may not be buttered by the countries directly but is sure being buttered by those who have interest in the outcomes. There are gambians studying in Sudan with sudanese scholarship.
Infact Sudan as part of technical co-operation signed about four years ago would help us in the areas of agricultre especially production of sugar which they have a lot of capacity.
Our bread is being buttered. |
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