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njucks
Gambia
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 Posted - 22 Jul 2006 : 10:12:11
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Gambiabev i know there is a big debate in the UK about your prison system etc. but this topic is not about CRIME and PUNISHMENT. its about facing justice.
due to the gravity of the crimes these people are never tried by the local justice system.e.g Nuremberg, Rwanda, Japanese , etc
its always an international justice system. no one is calling for tourture or the death penalty, however concern should be given to his victims relatively speaking.
i'm certain for many Africans seeing him enjoying such lux. is no justice at all. this is a very wicked man, who could even order assasinations through phone calls from his cell. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Jul 2006 : 13:32:28
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Gambiabev please tell your previous statement to the millions of amputees who suffered from Taylors Henchmen.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Jul 2006 : 15:36:20
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It doesn't matter how awful the crime, I believe people should be treated like humans within the prison system, especially when they havent been tried yet.
Some people will have done unimaginable awful things, but the test of civilisation is can we treat people well that treat us badly. (in a 'Christian' way if you like to express it that way?)
Of course we need to have concerns for the victims. They need good support and should be listened to in court and their evidence should be part of what decided the sentence given to the criminal.Both sides should feel fairly treated and then you have true justice.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Jul 2006 : 15:39:01
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| As i said before the punishment is the removal of liberty. No one should be badly treated in prison, just being there is punishment enough. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 22 Jul 2006 : 17:09:00
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i think what is being dicussed here and the main concern is the priviledges of the prison system. a prison system should not offer more than what is an acceptable normal daily requirement, rather it is taking away those liberties which is the punishment as you rightly pointed out.
Prisoners should not be allowed to go on holiday.
i dont understand what you mean by 'christian' since you dont believe in GOD. also international law unlike laws of ordinary countries has no religious dimension.
further more there is no neutrality in this. a Murderer cannot expect the Judge(s) to be neutral because the judges can only be on one side, and thats the side of the law. what he should expect is a fair trial and that his crime is punished in a measurable way and according to law.
i also think you are making a mistake to think he is not under trial, his trial has started that is why he is under detention and legal proceeding began in Sierra Leone few months back.
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Jul 2006 : 17:16:37
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Gambiabev, live with your beliefs and sleep well with them, as long as you remember the killing was slow & deliberate to humans. First the women and the girls, after raping them; then the elders, using machetes to chop off arms and legs; then the young men, shot with Kalashnikovs or burnt to death within their homes.
Not much of a witness are they? |
The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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jambo
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Posted - 23 Jul 2006 : 19:55:42
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| bev, this man has not been treated badly, where he is right now in the hague a lot of people would like that life style. i would support any campaign that would bring him back to african soil. right now he is spoilt. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 23 Jul 2006 : 21:29:05
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gambiabev,
I understand your humanitarian view and admire it too. But as we have seen what was done by Mr.T and his gang, they should be put behind bars for life. We should not apply the death penalty, but a live sentense with hard labour. Given the least chance of rehabilitation, he could manipulate people. As Brutus said about Ceasar "It must be by his death , as for my part I knpow no personal cause to sporn at him , but for the general. How that might change his nature, ther's the question". He has a wide contact of rutten and ruthless assasins that would act in his command. If I should decide, close the gates,lock him up and give the keys to a crocodile to swallo. Of cause he should be represented by a lawyer. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2006 : 12:15:11
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Alhassan,
Thanks for that. I think they should throw the key away too! But he should be treated fairly in prison.
People often ask me how would I feel if it were my child that had been murdered. Of course I would be devesated. But I am not a vengeful person. I think I would want to see justice done, have my day in court and then get on with something positive.
An excellent example is the parents of Caroline Stuttle, the back packer from York who was murdered in australia, they made sure they got justice for their daughter and then they have set up a charity helping to educate and inform other gap year travellers. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2006 : 14:29:39
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You can't exorcise the devil with beelzebub. Gambiabev is right, 'innocent until proved guilty' is an essential of a constitutional state. Rehabilitation also is one of these essentials, though it may be illusionary with a character like Taylor.
We all want these standards for ourselves, so it is vital to apply them on whoever we have to deal with. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 24 Jul 2006 : 15:18:07
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quote:
Originally posted by jambo
bev, this man has not been treated badly, where he is right now in the hague a lot of people would like that life style. i would support any campaign that would bring him back to african soil. right now he is spoilt.
You are right Jambo. |
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Babylon
Sweden
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Posted - 24 Jul 2006 : 15:22:33
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Charles Taylor, that beast...
The only righteous punishment of him would be hanging him upside down from the roof and let the Liberains chop off his bodyparts day by day. First goes the fingers then the hands, the arms, why not poke his eyes out and cut off his ears and so on... 
Evil deserves evil. An eye for an eye literally. Let him have a taste of his own medicine.
I hope for Gods sake that he donīt get to do his time in Sweden. I heard that is his wish (so is Saddam Husseins), of course. Then he will get the best care and service ever and will be out in notime! Sweden is a paradise for criminals. The victims of crime are forgotten fast though. |
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taalibeh
Gambia
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Posted - 24 Jul 2006 : 16:03:03
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quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
It doesn't matter how awful the crime, I believe people should be treated like humans within the prison system, especially when they havent been tried yet.
Some people will have done unimaginable awful things, but the test of civilisation is can we treat people well that treat us badly. (in a 'Christian' way if you like to express it that way?)
Of course we need to have concerns for the victims. They need good support and should be listened to in court and their evidence should be part of what decided the sentence given to the criminal.Both sides should feel fairly treated and then you have true justice.
Treating Charles Taylor in the manner you are specifying will unfortunately send a wrong signal to Heads of States like him ( such as jammeh).
People like Taylor have the features of a human but their brains are not of proper human beings and therefore should be treated in relation to the vicious crimes they committed. As part of the punishment he should be subjected to the same conditions he subjected his victims. Hundreds of thousands of peoples' lives within Liberia and Sierra Leaone will never be the same as a result of his deeds. |
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jambo
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Posted - 24 Jul 2006 : 16:08:45
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Bev, why do you say in "a christian way", do you not think other religions willbe understanding |
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