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kobo
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 25 Jul 2006 : 13:48:59
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Originally posted by njucks
kobo,
ofcourse you are a muslim so your think you religion is the right one. this is normal. you belief in One God and Islam so as a true believer you cannot think beyond this. understandable and very normal.
lets assume their is a Christian Kobo?
lets assume their is a Hindu Kobo?
lets assume their is a Buddist Kobo?
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all of you have your own beliefs and what creation is about, some belief in many Gods and some belief in life as a cycle so there is no creation at all. who is right. if you were born in Japan you will innocently not have been a muslim? is that your fault?
the common factor is you are all human and vulnerable to the weakness of humans , guided by morality to shape you actions.
this is not science its called religion.
Islam gave many clues and atrributes about GOD, nature and supernatural matrixs at play which is scientifically denoted on the so called organic scale or in otherwords in abstract form of defining matter. Matter is an logical attribute of elements which could could scientifically observed and analysed to form conclusions on certan reactions from those elements.
Evolution appears to be more hypothetical and theoretical than logical. Don't you agree Njucks Whether non-muslim or not the GOD am referring to is GOD THE CREATOR AND MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE! and who I believe is ALLAH an infinite unity of the whole sum of the universe! |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Jul 2006 : 14:03:06
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Whether non-muslim or not the GOD am referring to is GOD THE CREATOR
your statement is relative. the word god obviously has different meaning depedning who you talk to.in Hinduism there are several hundreds. the philosphy is different from Islam.
i think my point is Islam is just one of many religions. if we are muslims and we believe in it then we should just stick to what islam believes is the truth.
others may believe otherwise in their own sphere of thinking.
but the two cannot go together. i dont agree with that. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 25 Jul 2006 : 19:22:40
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HI GUYS :
ANYONE WITH A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF BIOLOGY AND SOME CHEMISTRY WILL KNOW FAIRLY WELL THAT CHARLES DARWIN IS LARGELY RIGHT.THE EVIDENCES OF EVOLUTION IS IMPRINTED IN THE LAYERS OF ROCKS AS FOSSILS AND EXISTING LIFE FORMS , HENCE A LINE IN MY POEM "FROM THE LOWEST LAYERS OF ROCKS TO THE HIGHEST GROUND OF OUR DNA LIFE IS ONE SLOW JOURNEY FROM IMPERFECTION".
SCIENCE IS ABOUT FACTS , FACTS , AND VERIFIABLE FACTS.JUST THE PHILOSOPHER THALES ONCE SAID THAT IN ORDER TO EXPLAIN PHYSICAL EVENTS WE HAVE TO REFER TO OTHER PHYSICAL EVENTS .THAT'S WHAT MAKES SCIENCE DIFFERENT FROM RELIGION.
NOW DR. GEGHAN SENGHORE ONCE SAID THAT ,YOU CANNOT DENY SCIENCE BECAUSE IT IS THERE FOR ALL TO SEE ; IN YOUR HOME , AT SCHOOL, AT YOUR WORK,...,EVERYWHERE! SCIENCE IS SO IMPOSING IN THIS MODERN WORLD THAT ONE WONDERS HOW RELIGION IS ABLE TO SURVIVE TODAY. BUT EVEN SEIGMOID FRAUD IS WRONG BY ASSERTING THAT RELIGION , AN "IRRATIONAL HUMAN BEHAVIOR " WILL ONE DAY WITHER.MEANWHILE DR. LENRIE PETERS , HIMSELF A SCIENTIST IN HIS OWN RIGHT ALSO QUESTIONS HOW THIS WORLD WOULD BE LIKE WITHOUT THESE GREAT RELIGIONS ?
WHILE RELIGION HAS NOT WITHERED AND SCIENCE IS UNDENIABLE AND UNSTOPPABLE , MODERN MAN WILL PERHAPS HAVE TO RECONCILE THE TWO. I DON'T THINK NADINE GORDIMER IS ENTIRELY RIGHT BY ASSERTING THAT MODERN MAN WILL RAECH GOD THROUGH SCIENCE RATHER THAN WORSHIP.YOU DON'T HAVE TO DROP YOUR FAITH TO APPRECIATE SCIENCE , AND YOU CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE TO BE SCIENCE-SKEPTIC TO KEEP YOUR FAITH.HERE ARE THE WORDS OF WISDOM FROM ALBERT EINSTEIN " SUBTLE IS THE LORD BUT MALICIOUS HE IS NOT ". |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Jul 2006 : 20:03:41
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well said Kayjatta. v. interesting. Sigmund Freud was mad.
anyway perhaps the best way to see it is that religion only emerged when we reached a certain stage on the evolutionary ladder. there is no religion in the other animal species. .
Chimps,dogs or rats dont go to Church.
DNA has changed it all, its amazing what can be known by just studying DNA |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 25 Jul 2006 : 20:10:39
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HEY NJUCKS ; CHIMPS HAVE A RELIGION... . NO
I 'M JUST KIDDING ! |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Jul 2006 : 22:10:49
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Originally posted by njucks
well said Kayjatta. v. interesting. Sigmund Freud was mad.
anyway perhaps the best way to see it is that religion only emerged when we reached a certain stage on the evolutionary ladder. there is no religion in the other animal species. .
Chimps,dogs or rats dont go to Church.
DNA has changed it all, its amazing what can be known by just studying DNA
how sure are you that they have no form of worship. Animals have been known to forsee disasters if only you are too observant. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Jul 2006 : 22:34:40
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Originally posted by kondorong
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Originally posted by njucks
well said Kayjatta. v. interesting. Sigmund Freud was mad.
anyway perhaps the best way to see it is that religion only emerged when we reached a certain stage on the evolutionary ladder. there is no religion in the other animal species. .
Chimps,dogs or rats dont go to Church.
DNA has changed it all, its amazing what can be known by just studying DNA
how sure are you that they have no form of worship. Animals have been known to forsee disasters if only you are too observant.
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Jul 2006 : 22:39:54
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Originally posted by kondorong
how sure are you that they have no form of worship. Animals have been known to forsee disasters if only you are too observant.
whaaaaaaaaaat!!! you must be taking the mickey right? maybe in Yoro Bawol. i didnt know animals have the same concept of disaster as humans. the Elephants that became extinct in the gambian did not see that disaster coming, did they? |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Jul 2006 : 23:09:44
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Originally posted by njucks
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Originally posted by kondorong
how sure are you that they have no form of worship. Animals have been known to forsee disasters if only you are too observant.
whaaaaaaaaaat!!! you must be taking the mickey right? maybe in Yoro Bawol. i didnt know animals have the same concept of disaster as humans. the Elephants that became extinct in the gambian did not see that disaster coming, did they?
There is a difference between being reactive and proactive. Even before the sunami hit in Asia, some animals showed weird behaviour. It is our inability to interprete animal behaviour which is the problem. They dont speak like humans but yet the elephant is known to send sound waves to other elephants miles away adn they communicate effectively. This sound wave cannot be heard by humans. It has been proven. So it is your word against the Animal Channel Researchers
I would recommend you watch a bit of the animal channel |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2006 : 23:41:51
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Originally posted by njucks
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Whether non-muslim or not the GOD am referring to is GOD THE CREATOR
your statement is relative. the word god obviously has different meaning depedning who you talk to.in Hinduism there are several hundreds. the philosphy is different from Islam.
i think my point is Islam is just one of many religions. if we are muslims and we believe in it then we should just stick to what islam believes is the truth.
others may believe otherwise in their own sphere of thinking.
but the two cannot go together. i dont agree with that.
Njucks we don't believe in dieties or create a being as our GOD and according to Islam Allah is one and one of his attributes is HE IS ALL-KNOWING! and whether scientifically you have the tools and knowledge GOD's wisdom is above all. To clarify the Islamic position that is ALLAH who creates and not through any theoretical laws of evolution or whatever evolutionary means. Good luck Kayiata I don't think you can sell me laws of evolution but DNA and genetics are part of scientific advancements for a purpose. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 26 Jul 2006 : 00:41:00
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[i]Originally posted by kondorong
Animals have been known to forsee disasters if only you are too observant.
It is our inability to interprete animal behaviour which is the problem
you are shooting youself in the foot. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 26 Jul 2006 : 02:17:45
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no. In the first case case i am refereing to the fact that those who are observant tend to notice some changes. In the other, is a more generallised assertion to the fact that only few of us can infact understand animal behaviour. I think i am being more diplomatic in telling you that some people do uderstand animal behavioureven though you find it difficult to comprehend.
May be i should write bluntly, it is your inability to understand animal behaviour which is the problem |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 16:21:28
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| Ruling out existence of the supernatural power (GOD? Scientific theory and analysis denotes matter as the smallest or microscophic element derivable under three states of conditions for solids, liquids ,C2Os (am not sure of them but please rectify its proper order and the proper scientific or organic scale). If we look at living and non-living things. The only diffrence is the source of life as you can classify all their elements into chemical components. Scientist are able to analyse all the tissues of the human body and break them into components but where is the source of life or in arabic "Roo ul nafsi" If we die we are organic and extinct forever as individuals but life goes on for others; is there any hope for human beings having live this life and never to be back to this world. Isn't that our DOOMSDAY logically |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 22:12:21
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KOBO:
RELIGION IS VERY SENSITIVE , YET IT IS NOT BASED ON VERIFIABLE FACTS LIKE SCIENCE IS . RELIGION IS A BELIEF WITHOUT PROOF ( CALL IT FAITH IF YOU WISH).
WHAT WE CALL "GOD" IS VERY OPEN TO DEFINITION ALTHOUGH WE OFTEN TAKE IT FOR GRANTED. I HAVE ALWAYS ARGUED THAT CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS DO NOT BELIEF IN THE SAME "ONE GOD" AS MANY PEOPLE OFTEN THINK. THE GOD OF CHRISTIANS IS A TRINITY WHILE THAT OF MUSLIMS IS A "WAHEEDUN " (IF YOU ALLOW ME TO USE THESE WORDS. THEY HEVE DIFFERENT ATTRIBUTES , SO THEY CANNOT BE THE SAME.
BUT WHEN WE COME TO SCIENCE ,THE CONCEPT OF "GOD" BECOMES EVEN MORE COMPLEX AS NATURE IS REVEALED IN MORE COMPLEX WAYS. HENCE THE EARLY SCIENTISTS LIKE SOCRATES , GALILEO , COPERNICUS , FOUND THEMSELVES AT ODDS WITH THE CLERGY ON BASIC ISSUES ABOUT NATURE AND THE PURPOSE OF LIFE.
EINSTEIN ( OF JEWISH ORIGIN) LIKE MANY SCIENTISTS HAS DECLARED THAT HE DID NOT BELIEF IN A PERSONAL GOD. HE ARGUED IN FAVOR OF SPINOZA'S GOD - THAT IS A GOD THT REVEALS HIMSELF IN THE HARMONY OF THE UNIVERSE.IT APPEARS THAT GOD MUST BE UNDERSTOOD IN TERMS OF THE PHYSICAL LAWS OF NATURE. MATEMATICS AFTERALL MAY BE THE LANGUAGE OF GOD , SOME SCIENTISTS ARGUED.
NOW I AM NOT AN EXPERT IN CHEMISTRY , BUT SCIENTISTS HAVE FOUND AN AMAZING CONNECTION BETWEEN LIVING AND NON-LIVING THINGS. DO YOU REMEMBER WOHLER'S GROUND BREAKING SYNTHESIS OF UREA (AN ORGANIC SUBSTANCE) FROM AMMONIA (AN INORGANIC SUBSTANCE)? COMPARISON OF COLLOIDAL MATERIALS AND PROTEINS ALSO SEEM TO BOLSTER THE NON-LIVING ORIGIN OF LIFE THROUGH CHEMICAL EVOLUTION.
THERE ARE MANY THINGS NOT YET KNOWN IN THIS ARENA , STUDIES ARE CONTINUING AND SCIENCE IS ADVANCING.
WHAT IS "ROO UL NAFSI" ? |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 22:26:29
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kayjatta thats a good piece. Kobo if u think of our bodies as being made up of inorganic matter then when we die this matter is just recycled.
if i plant a tree next on top of you grave, the tree will nourish on your decomposing matter, and a goat or any animal eating the leaves of that tree will eventually have part of you in them. its all a cycle.
the amount of matter is that same it just recycles. soul are thinks like that are all in the mind. |
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