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sab
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 11:57:51
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Greetings Sister Omega, Traditional & alternative medicine: this may make the person feel better for a while but not deal with the underlying problem of the damaged immune system.
Yes Sister Omega, it is an excellent way to ‘boost’ the immune system, but not as stated re the ‘Kanalai’ water that is sold in Banjul on the pretence of a cure for AIDS, TB & diabetes. On that pretence someone could become almost as rich as Bill Gates selling the Kanalai water worldwide!
Unfortunately alongside the developments in anti-viral therapy there have been repeated and unsubstantiated claims of miracle cures from people who are prepared to make money out of peoples desperate search for a cure.
CAPE TOWN Oct 7th (Reuters) A leading South African university has joined opposition to a German doctor's use of vitamins to fight HIV/AIDS, accusing him of endangering lives by promoting an untested alternative to life-prolonging drugs. Johannesburg's University of the Withwatersrand (Wits) has demanded Dr.Mathias Rath stop what it says are unethical trails of his multivitamins on AIDS suffers in Cape Towns Khayelitsha township. The Wits statement follow a petition from Cape Town doctors & academics last week demanding the government act against RATH, who critics say is endangering the sick by persuadinfg them to stop taking medicine that could prolong their lives.
The Rath Foundation in South Africa declined to comment on the statement........
Many countries have practitioners of tradional or alternative medicine. These are often highly respected and have associations and training programmes. They are a valuable resource in the community and provide much comfort and care; with suitable training and support they have a major role in psychosocial aspect of care, the treatment of opportunistic infections and referral of persons with sexually transmitted diseases.
But, it is a recognized fact that you should keep and open mind about the possibility of a cure for AIDS being discovered by a traditional healer.
Anti-retroviral therapy, though effective in its ability to allow those infected with the virus to continue to lead a near normal life is not the answer. It is not a cure. It does not prevent the spread of HIV. Then there is access. Less than ten per cent of those in need of anti-retroviral therapy have access to the drugs. Some of those who can access the treatment cant afford it.
The educated will hear the clock ticking for the drugs themselves can cause kidney failure and other side effects, or that the virus will mutate.
There is always something to fight for with HIV until there is a cure. Fight the governments to ensure that everybody with HIV has access to healthcare no matter what his or her income.
Even if a cure is found, preventing HIV/AID should always come first. Treating it comes second simply because you dont want it to come to that in the first instance.
For many people, everyday is world AIDS day.
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sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 12:01:43
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Sister Omega, please remind me of the advert that you posted on the forum last year re AIDS and had copyright....I remember at the time thinking it was one of the best, did you ever do anything with it?
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 12:23:08
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Alhassan
You completely misunderstand what I am saying. I know HIV/AIDS is a serious problem and the sooner we can find a cure to it the better. Let me clarify my point I was trying to make before, don't shoot the messenger. This account was given to me 2004 when some Ethiopian friends of mine were visiting me on vacation of some of their experiences of HIV/AIDS Programmes in Ethiopia. These are not my words.
The couple's have neighbours have been married for 5 years and the woman was diagnoised with AIDS and her husband has been having unprotected sex with her and has not caught the diease.
They also noticed a correlation between people ben given immunisations and more reported cases of AIDS which resulted in the local population refusing to have these immunisations from international donor agencies.
On Ethiopian TV they had saw a programme where remote Ethiopian villages where given boxes of condoms thrown from planes, and were given no instructions on how to use them. Not knowing where they should go they used them as fashion acessories or as talismans to ward of evil spirits which they think the diease is.
Let me repeat this is the experience of my Ethiopian friends who live and work in Ethiopian not mime REPEAT!!!
Of course I was suprised to hear such statements and I think it is important that international HIV/AIDS are monitored and Evaluated properly to make sure that the end users benefit from the services they are supposed to be providing.
Complimentary medicine also has a place in boosting up the immune system along with appropriate nutrition to help to fight diease. Although these medicines may sound to simple to be of any use it is often the simple solutions which have a greater impact on serious problems.
Peace
Sister Omega
Sister Omega,
I appolojize.I must have misinterpreted you. I hope you accept the appolojies. You friends might not have told you the true story. Anyway there are many of the who is possitive. I have many friends from there too who live with me , but most of them are dead now. Even Somalia is affected. They are the countries that do not give reports. In this conor of Europe I live , They are known to be affected. I am a member of the network for the hiv-possitive from the horn of Africa. Most of our people at home have not been given the proper information.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 12:43:36
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Thanx for the info Sab. You are right about everyday is world's AIDS day. I'm not in agreement with Charlatans trying to make money out of others misfortunes if that is the case about this particular holy water. That doesn't mean that Holy Water's don't work for other elements. I do think there is a lot of money in the AIDS Anti-Viral Drugs which was clear at the beginning of this decade when the Pharmeuticals were willing to take poor countries to caught if they copied them.
AIDS is such a cruel diease and the stigma of became stuck many peoples minds from those 8O's propoganda I know in South Africa they have made a lot of headway in getting rid of the stigma through personifying it through the life of a little boy around 2001. By having a AIDS concert I forget his name now, examples like that need to be emulated around the world to break down the taboo of this diease.
Peace
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 12:53:38
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No problem Alhassan what matters is now you understand what I was trying to say. I think it's important Alhassan for the correct information to be circulated and the voice of HIV positive and AIDs sufferers are encouraged to be heard. It is indeed a positive step in the right direction for Networks like your own be set up worldwide to provide comfort and support to empower those affected with the diease the courage and determination they need to make the most of their lives. Keep up the good work Alhassan! Could you post on the details of the Hackney Group you were telling me about. Thanx in advance.
Peace
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 13:30:55
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Alhassan
You completely misunderstand what I am saying. I know HIV/AIDS is a serious problem and the sooner we can find a cure to it the better. Let me clarify my point I was trying to make before, don't shoot the messenger. This account was given to me 2004 when some Ethiopian friends of mine were visiting me on vacation of some of their experiences of HIV/AIDS Programmes in Ethiopia. These are not my words.
The couple's have neighbours have been married for 5 years and the woman was diagnoised with AIDS and her husband has been having unprotected sex with her and has not caught the diease.
They also noticed a correlation between people ben given immunisations and more reported cases of AIDS which resulted in the local population refusing to have these immunisations from international donor agencies.
On Ethiopian TV they had saw a programme where remote Ethiopian villages where given boxes of condoms thrown from planes, and were given no instructions on how to use them. Not knowing where they should go they used them as fashion acessories or as talismans to ward of evil spirits which they think the diease is.
Let me repeat this is the experience of my Ethiopian friends who live and work in Ethiopian not mime REPEAT!!!
Of course I was suprised to hear such statements and I think it is important that international HIV/AIDS are monitored and Evaluated properly to make sure that the end users benefit from the services they are supposed to be providing.
Complimentary medicine also has a place in boosting up the immune system along with appropriate nutrition to help to fight diease. Although these medicines may sound to simple to be of any use it is often the simple solutions which have a greater impact on serious problems.
Peace
Sister Omega
Sister Omega,
Accept my appolojies. I made a mistake. For you information there are many untrue stories about the cure or not. The facts are there to be found. The horn of Africa is also affected, but they hide all facts. There is even a network of Hiv-possitive from the horn of Africa. I meet them often to discuss. I have some friends who passed away because of Aids from those regions. I would rather ask infection clinics than depending on lokal info.
I am glad that we are able to discuss as equals. I am a man but , I support feminin ideas and fight for them at any time sister. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 14:03:22
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Selling 'Holy Waters' as a cure for AIDS should be at least regarded as murder by negligence and punished unless the brew proves to be a real cure. Herbal medicines can be a very good health SUPPORT, but to promise CURE is unscrupulous, criminal, and inhuman.
Sab, I am really impressed by your knowledge; we all can learn a lot from your postings.
Recently I read about an alarming revival of Syphilis in Europe resp. Germany. Doctors reported that meanwhile e.g. almost everybody in the drug scene is multi-infected (HIV and Syphilis); drug prostitutes reconfirmed this. And they said that still many of their suitors, normal 'monogamous' men and fathers of a family, insisted on sex without condoms. These men give a s**t about their own health, and they don't care to infect their partners. I am horrified about this carelessness of people who have every access to information. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 14:25:05
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Alhassan
You completely misunderstand what I am saying. I know HIV/AIDS is a serious problem and the sooner we can find a cure to it the better. Let me clarify my point I was trying to make before, don't shoot the messenger. This account was given to me 2004 when some Ethiopian friends of mine were visiting me on vacation of some of their experiences of HIV/AIDS Programmes in Ethiopia. These are not my words.
The couple's have neighbours have been married for 5 years and the woman was diagnoised with AIDS and her husband has been having unprotected sex with her and has not caught the diease.
They also noticed a correlation between people ben given immunisations and more reported cases of AIDS which resulted in the local population refusing to have these immunisations from international donor agencies.
On Ethiopian TV they had saw a programme where remote Ethiopian villages where given boxes of condoms thrown from planes, and were given no instructions on how to use them. Not knowing where they should go they used them as fashion acessories or as talismans to ward of evil spirits which they think the diease is.
Let me repeat this is the experience of my Ethiopian friends who live and work in Ethiopian not mime REPEAT!!!
Of course I was suprised to hear such statements and I think it is important that international HIV/AIDS are monitored and Evaluated properly to make sure that the end users benefit from the services they are supposed to be providing.
Complimentary medicine also has a place in boosting up the immune system along with appropriate nutrition to help to fight diease. Although these medicines may sound to simple to be of any use it is often the simple solutions which have a greater impact on serious problems.
Peace
Sister Omega
Sister Omega,
I must deeply appolojize for my mistake. There are many untrue stories about cure or no cure. I would advise you to get in contact with you infection clicnic and ask for more info. Only infection clicnics and doctors can tell you the real truth if you have not not got the education. It is not easy with HIV/AIDS. We are looking forward for a vaxine one fine day. Have a good day sis. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 15:27:34
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Alhassan I was under the impression that you had contact with the HIV/AIDS action group from your first reply today. I am involved in community radio issues surrounding health and relationships. I think the producer would be interested in the group you mentioned that's why I asked you for their contact.
Peace
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 15:31:47
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sister Omega
what do you mean radio community health issues? is this in the Gambia? |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 15:32:23
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Complementary things have a role to play in paliative care. But they ARENOT cures and shouldnt be promoted as such. I think people who try to make money from others misfortune are really evil.
Diet, exercise, sleep patterns and general well being all have an impact on the immune system and its abilities to fight off disease.
Massage, reflexology and hypnotherapy to name just a few have a real role to play in promoting well being. When someone is very ill with aids or cancer improving the quality of their daily life is important. They need to be treated holistically.
Sister Omega I would feel this way if the 'cure' was from Uk or Africa!!! I think it is extremely cruel to give false hope to people and exploit them in their hour of need.  Unless something has had rigorous testing under scientific conditions I think people would be best to stick to conventional medicine and save their money from the charlatans. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 15:45:43
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Unfortunately Njucks it isn't in Gambia but maybe you can pick it up in the Gambia it is on hcityradio.com. I'm on air between 11-1pm this friday and next Wednesday between 1-4pm on a programme called "Find your voice!" doing a poetry slot with some co-presenting.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 16:03:16
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gambiabev I do understand your point. However if you have been chronically ill like I have been surviving three life threatening illnesses then you would understand the empowerment that complimentary medicine can bring someone
whilst waiting for orthodox practioners to operate on them. In in the case of AIDs there is no operation to cure them. I've tried Mariadina and was sceptical about it at first whilst awaiting my operations having been housebound and only being able to venture out once or twice per fortnight paying the full consequences for it physically afterwards. I tried Mariadina and spoke to Professor Ssali about my specific health issues. He advised me to take Mariadina A which I did and I had a tremendous boost of energy. The same day I took it I could play football in the park with my sons. Unfortuantely I couldn't afford to keep on buying the tablets at the time and therefore was unable to reap its full benefits. I continued to take herbal remedies for my ailments until my organs were removed.But trying to help myself empowered me helping me to gain some control in very adverse circumstances. Orthodox medicine was not completely able to cure my ailments i had three major organs removed, yet still it never cured everything. I was referred by my GP to Homeopathic and Acupunturist Specialist who helped me tremendously with my mobility and I am going for a follow up to see acupunturist this week. The last time I saw him was two years ago, considering I was at my GP's and hospitals on a regular basis for several years I think complimentary medicine is an asset when administered by experienced practioners.
If we consider that most orthodox are herbal based, and that the body has the power to heal itself through it's own energy points are sciences in themselves, and desrve to respect as such.
Peace
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 16:04:16
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i will listen to it. thanks. i also have a question or advise maybe you can send me a mail .
lamin24@lycos.co.uk |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 16:14:14
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Njucks just send your question to the e-mail I've provided here.
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