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toubab1020
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 Posted - 29 Jul 2011 : 20:43:35
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There is no solution it's supply and demand with a bit of greed thrown in,if many people decided to grow their own food,what would happen ? seed would be the price of a gallon of petrol,theft of produce would be great,commercial growers could not compete and so on......
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Originally posted by Prince
These are tough times Toubab. Prices increase, over-dependence increase, poverty increase...
Given that you are a simple and wise man, what do you think the solution is Toubab?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
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Posted - 29 Jul 2011 : 20:46:51
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Lily
Here is what I did for someone. This girl was little bid lazy and not confident. I asked her to find a job and told her I would match up her monthly salary. It was amazing she found a job within a few days, I think it was around 1200 dalasi per month. I paid her same amount for two months. I am not paying her anymore but she is still working. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 29 Jul 2011 : 20:50:05
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| Government does not do that Turkey. But it is not necessary. If available, turks are very good growing vegetables, even in balcony. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 29 Jul 2011 : 20:57:03
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Turk,so a little grease makes the wheels go around better ?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 29 Jul 2011 : 21:32:45
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Prince
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Posted - 29 Jul 2011 : 21:48:50
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Originally posted by toubab1020
There is no solution it's supply and demand with a bit of greed thrown in,if many people decided to grow their own food,what would happen ? seed would be the price of a gallon of petrol,theft of produce would be great,commercial growers could not compete and so on......
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Originally posted by Prince
These are tough times Toubab. Prices increase, over-dependence increase, poverty increase...
Given that you are a simple and wise man, what do you think the solution is Toubab?
Thanks for your suggestion Toubab. Fortunately, most Gambians do not listen to these paternalistic lefties who preach “it is best you turn into hand-to-mouth farmers.” No technologically advance country with an enviable GDP has more than 15% of its population working in Agriculture.
Agriculture is best mechanized, while the rest of the country specializes in “brainy” industries. The hoe, muscle, and sweat farming in some suppose to be a garbage-dump-backyard is a complete waste of time.
Gambians know this, a few generations ago most of their parents were subsistence farmers and they know these parents struggled to pay school fees and basic malaria treatments.
Most poor people would not listen to Bantaba folks who cannot catch a chicken if their lives depended on it!
Activities like what Turk did for that young lady is more productive especially if you're supporting the person to learn a trade.
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turk
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Posted - 29 Jul 2011 : 22:06:13
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No technologically advance country with an enviable GDP has more than 15% of its population working in Agriculture.
Prince
I am not sure how valid to compare developed countries to Gambia for development model. While I am inspired social democrat ideas, I am not that ideological. I believe fiscal conservatism or liberalism, social conservatism and liberalism may work with different realities. Gambia has totally different realities and agriculture is, at this stage, for Gambia, very critical. There isn't high human capital for Gambia for 'mechanized Agriculture and specializing in brainy industries. Sorry, I found it to be very unrealistic. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 29 Jul 2011 : 22:20:40
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"Activities like what Turk did for that young lady is more productive especially if you're supporting the person to learn a trade."
Prince, I know what turk did was good in a way BUT if Gambian folks see that this is a way to get extra then their peers will try it,MANY will not succeed in whatever endevour they are engaged in,but still have the thought in their heads, that didn't work let's try something else and get extra,also it must re enforce the perception that bribary is acceptable in life and goes on at all levels,the bribary here being if I keep this job then I get double wages for 2 months great,I appriciate that this is somewhat deep thinking on my part and maybe considered a little petty,but think of it on a larger scale as boys and girls get older and become Gambian Men and women,that thought of extra, something for nothing still persists in their minds.In general I agree with your thoughts thanks.
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Originally posted by Prince
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Originally posted by toubab1020
There is no solution it's supply and demand with a bit of greed thrown in,if many people decided to grow their own food,what would happen ? seed would be the price of a gallon of petrol,theft of produce would be great,commercial growers could not compete and so on......
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Originally posted by Prince
These are tough times Toubab. Prices increase, over-dependence increase, poverty increase...
Given that you are a simple and wise man, what do you think the solution is Toubab?
Thanks for your suggestion Toubab. Fortunately, most Gambians do not listen to these paternalistic lefties who preach “it is best you turn into hand-to-mouth farmers.” No technologically advance country with an enviable GDP has more than 15% of its population working in Agriculture.
Agriculture is best mechanized, while the rest of the country specializes in “brainy” industries. The hoe, muscle, and sweat farming in some suppose to be a garbage-dump-backyard is a complete waste of time.
Gambians know this, a few generations ago most of their parents were subsistence farmers and they know these parents struggled to pay school fees and basic malaria treatments.
Most poor people would not listen to Bantaba folks who cannot catch a chicken if their lives depended on it!
Activities like what Turk did for that young lady is more productive especially if you're supporting the person to learn a trade.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 29 Jul 2011 22:22:23 |
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Prince
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Posted - 29 Jul 2011 : 22:21:16
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Originally posted by turk
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No technologically advance country with an enviable GDP has more than 15% of its population working in Agriculture.
Prince
I am not sure how valid to compare developed countries to Gambia for development model. While I am inspired social democrat ideas, I am not that ideological. I believe fiscal conservatism or liberalism, social conservatism and liberalism may work with different realities. Gambia has totally different realities and agriculture is, at this stage, for Gambia, very critical. There isn't high human capital for Gambia for 'mechanized Agriculture and specializing in brainy industries. Sorry, I found it to be very unrealistic.
Good observation Turk. I am not comparing Gambia to developed countries. I am just bothered by the those who like to preach the future is "growing vegetables in your backyard." All developed countries started off with high percentage of their populations in Agriculture, they gradually moved away from that...
And, I would like to believe that Gambia has the human capital to irrigate the river during the dry season while gradually doing away with hoe and machete farming. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 29 Jul 2011 : 22:23:54
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Sound suggestion Prince.
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Originally posted by Prince
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Originally posted by turk
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No technologically advance country with an enviable GDP has more than 15% of its population working in Agriculture.
Prince
industries. Sorry, I found it to be very unrealistic.
Good observation Turk. I am not comparing Gambia to developed countries. I am just bothered by the those who like to preach the future is "growing vegetables in your backyard." All developed countries started off with high percentage of their populations in Agriculture, they gradually moved away from that...
And, I would like to believe that Gambia has the human capital to irrigate the river during the dry season while gradually doing away with hoe and machete farming.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Prince
507 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2011 : 22:28:44
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Toubab, I do not see Turk's help as bribery. To me he is just subsidizing the cost of learning a trade or improving work ethic.
Bribery, in my perception, is paying with the expectation of returned favor or service. It is hard to point out what favor Turk would get for motivating this person. |
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Lily
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jul 2011 : 23:25:23
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| Prince - if your comment was aimed at me it was misplaced and somewhat unkind - I am not preaching as you like to call it. I am simply trying to help a family who I love and who I have helped for the last 12 years. Growing in their own backyard would actually help THEM - I'm not preaching about the future of the country. I am not naive, nor stupid. Growing vegetables is not the solution to the problems of the country but may, in very basic ways, help some people. |
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Prince
507 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2011 : 23:46:41
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Originally posted by Lily
Prince - if your comment was aimed at me it was misplaced and somewhat unkind - I am not preaching as you like to call it. I am simply trying to help a family who I love and who I have helped for the last 12 years. Growing in their own backyard would actually help THEM - I'm not preaching about the future of the country. I am not naive, nor stupid. Growing vegetables is not the solution to the problems of the country but may, in very basic ways, help some people.
Lily, sorry for my unkind comments. I sometimes get very passionate and carried away by certain topics. I do not mean to judge you as a person, I am just not receptive to certain ideas… Once again, my apologies! |
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Lily
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jul 2011 : 23:52:21
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| Totally accepted Prince and I fully understand your feelings. Thank you for responding so promptly. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 29 Jul 2011 : 23:53:35
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Originally posted by Prince
Toubab, I do not see Turk's help as bribery. To me he is just subsidizing the cost of learning a trade or improving work ethic.
Bribery, in my perception, is paying with the expectation of returned favor or service. It is hard to point out what favor Turk would get for motivating this person.
I see what you mean, bribary was an incorrect word perhaps, but I couldn't think of another,getting something extra for doing something that you should do anyway it is an inducement to do what you should be doing anyway, your job.That's a better way of showing what I meant.Giving money for a child's education because the family has none is a gift,the same can be said of turks gesture,but the girls perception must make her think that throught her life she tends to EXPECT a gift like turks as a normal way of life which requires her (or anyone in a similar position) to make less effort.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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