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turk
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 Posted - 10 Apr 2011 : 20:31:19
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91 years old and the mayor of one of the biggest municipal city in Canada for more than 30 years
Nice story. Why should we have term limit?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 10 Apr 2011 : 21:07:40
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Don't think they have and so much nepotism and corruption in Canada,never been there turk what about you?
This could also be a reason:"She is affectionately called "Hurricane Hazel" by supporters as well as the media at large for her vibrant outspoken style of no-nonsense politics" |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 10 Apr 2011 : 21:38:16
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Toubab
I wonder if she has a private zoo, give out millions of Canadian Dollars every month to private citizens and musicians, did she own any Hummers? Is she from a Village which she has turned into semi-city within five years at the back of a penniless military career? Has she ever authourise or under her her watch, were their brutal killings of students, military officers? How many political prisoners or media persons are missing?
No term limit hey Something is fishy |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Senegambia
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Posted - 10 Apr 2011 : 21:53:02
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"Nice story. Why should we have term limit?"
91 years and still mayor is amazing. Apart from that, just another Turk-nonsense... |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2011 : 22:02:16
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Unlike Gambians, Canadians are making sure what santafara list does not happen. Let me repeat, Santafara, you get the government you deserve. It is not coincidence you get jammeh as long as people like you exist.
Senegambia
I did not expect you get any sense from any post. You know some people are just not capable. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 10 Apr 2011 : 22:11:01
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Why term limit. Normally, people would stand up if a leader does not deserve another term limit. But some occasions, we have cowards who can't fight for their own struggles
a. They asked enemy to help them
b. They, cowardly, abandoned their country and bark from the distance.
There are people who are ready to die to make change, and there are people who are NOT ABLE. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 10 Apr 2011 : 22:14:23
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Turkman, yes indeed we deserve Jammeh...Now leave us to expose his behind. Atleast not everybody deserve him. If you know that, he kills people, he waste our resoruces and ruthlessly stifle the liberty of Gambians, then it is up to Gambians who think he the wrong dude around to expose his fake behind and allow people to see that.
Jammeh himself preached that, he will not be like other leaders who rule on and on. And now you are saying, no term limit. It means, you are only trying to cover Jammeh's lies from the beggining and his taste for power which helps him overcome his humble background. Like Saddam before him who was an iligitimate child, Jammeh's suspect background has led him to commit untold number abuses and yet lie in broad day light about them.
He threaten innocent people, allow his secret police aka ******s to make the lives of ordinary Gambians a living hell. all becus Jammeh is unhappy as to who he is... So brother, we wil actually say out loud and clear that, we don't deserve him, he came onto us with many soundbites, among them, term limits... we thought he will be a gentleman, but now, we know why he took power, to enjoy himself and abuse the state machinery. So we say yes to term limits. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2011 : 22:39:23
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Look santa, when I question about why term limit in this post, in this particular case for this lady, I did not really refer Gambia. For this particular example in Canada, I questioned the meaningless of the term limit. There could be always good case for term limits for other cases i.e. Gambia. However, at the end is term limit is against the basic principle of democracy as it prevents the basic and fundamental right of political participation. Normally, if a politician gets support, he should not be prevented from the political participation. It is all about the people. I don't put any value any political concept if it is excluding the people in general. But some people (senegambia) just do not have capability to get sense from anything.
Jammeh has overwhelming majority. Does he deserve this in terms of his skills set? That is another question. But he indeed has the genuine support from the people of Gambia. That is a fact. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 10 Apr 2011 : 22:46:21
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"But he indeed has the genuine support from the people of Gambia. That is a fact." 
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Senegambia
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Posted - 10 Apr 2011 : 22:48:41
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"But some people (senegambia) just do not have capability to get sense from anything."
Ya ya, whatever |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 00:12:31
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Senegambia
Let me simplify it for a level for someone like you....
1. In democracies, everyone has right to be elected. That is a fundamental right for the democracy.
2. Term limit is fundamental violation of basic principle of democracy.
3. The lady in Canada demonstrates that term limit is meaningless as she has been exercising her right to be elected and people elect her.
4. Term limit needs in Gambia is just a 'temporary solution', 'patch' and 'short term' fix for Gambia.
5. If there was a people who is capable of making the change, there would not be need for this 'quick fix', 'temporary solution', 'patch', 'short termism'. So it is all about people who is able to capable of applying basic principle of democracy. Gambians still long way to go. Quick fixes are not effective solutions. There is too much focus on political process, rhetoric which is waste of time and energy. I just don't think, anything without social change, will work for Gambia.
The fundamental reason for Gambians do not accomplish the statehood is that they do not have history and understanding of what is required for statehood. This takes time and requires long term vision of economic, social and cultural change. Political process itself or rhetoric will not work. The revolution starts from the people, bottom-up. Not top-down.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 11 Apr 2011 00:57:23 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 00:33:24
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Nice turk  |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 11 Apr 2011 00:33:54 |
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Senegambia
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 12:22:04
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Thanks for the lecture! The problem is that your assertions are flawed. It's not easy to engage you though because you are an expert in your own right. But just some quick comments on some things you wrote:
1. ok
2. Wrong. Shows that you don't understand the significance of a term limit and their roles in different systems of governments.
3. The lady in Canada does not in any way demonstrate that term limits are meaningless. I understand your point and why you said "meaningless", but it is too simple. There is a lot you should have put into consideration in your analysis. Example, the democratic atmosphere and the dynamism of people's participation in the affairs of this municipal city.....
4. Term limits a short term fix for Gambia? I hope not!
5. The problem with you Turk is that you tend to think low of what gambian people can do. Instead of repeating (all the time) that gambians are not ready/capable of effecting democratic changes in their country, you should recognize the fact that maybe there is little or no atmosphere for those you keep calling "incapable" to take part in a proper and fair democratic process.
Note: In respect of his[Turk] status as a senior member of this community, this response has been moderated
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Originally posted by turk
Senegambia
Let me simplify it for a level for someone like you....
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Edited by - Senegambia on 11 Apr 2011 13:40:59 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 12:46:13
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Senegambia:"Example, the democratic atmosphere and the dynamism of people's participation in the affairs of this municipal city....."
I am sure that they are totally different in Canada and Africa
Point well made. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Senegambia
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 13:22:35
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Oh yes they are. I am glad we understand that.
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Originally posted by toubab1020
Senegambia:"Example, the democratic atmosphere and the dynamism of people's participation in the affairs of this municipal city....."
I am sure that they are totally different in Canada and Africa
Point well made.
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