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terangba
Egypt
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 Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 18:16:22
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From now on instead of the usual infighting how about some one else take this list, paste it on a word document and add more ideas. Even if you do not agree with me, what ideas do you think will work against APRC? I am challenging every on at the Bantaba to list their ideas.
I am challlenging you: Watchman, Moe, Shaka, Kobo, Senegambia, momodou, Turk, Dbalde, Nyari, Suntu, Prince, Kayjatta and all the names I cannot remember on the top of my head.
1. One by first and foremost accepting our common failures.
2. Calling for a national dialogue where Gambians will choose a leader that is willing, capable and ready to fight for the people.
3. Gambians back home and most especially the Diaspora ought to get serious and support massive development projects and make the new leader the face of those development projects. Gambians politics 101 is all about what the next person can do for village X, Y and Z. If APRC buys a tractor of Village X, we ought to be able to convince that village we can do more and better without trampling on their rights.
4. Do not underrate APRC, APRC has done a lot in the 15 years, the new leader has to convince Gambians that we can have development and human rights and he or she can deliver both.
4. Whenever a single citizen’s rights are abused, the chosen leader will have to be willing a ready to highlight the plight of that particular citizen even if it means sleeping with the mosquitoes at mile two.
Duty," "Honor," "Country" — those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you want to be, what you can be, what you will be. They are your rallying point to build courage when courage seems to fail, to regain faith when there seems to be little cause for faith, to create hope when hope becomes forlorn" General Douglas MacArthur
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God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
Edited by - terangba on 24 Jan 2011 18:18:50 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 19:00:09
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terangba I like this posting all excellent points, this is perhaps the first time I have actually seen someone who is prepared to offer something concrete in the way of trying to get to grips with being in a position of forming AN ELECTABLE administration,I wish you every success in this worthwhile endevour.
THE FIRST IN AFRICA that has actually listed many of the items that require attention. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 19:26:00
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Terangba, your proposal will be given consideration after the 2011 election provided that there is no success in removing Jammeh. In the mean time, my focus is to continue my support for the UDP and their programmes and strategies as that is the only viable option to Jammeh at the moment despite all their shortcomings, real or percieved. In doing so, I shall continue to remain steadfast in will and resolute in purpose.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 24 Jan 2011 19:29:52 |
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 19:41:27
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Thanks Nyari and Toubab;
Thanks Nayri and Toubab;
The biggest task facing this challenge is derailment due to partisan politics. Hope the real intellectuals will join my humble undertaking. What I am looking forward to is a working paper that can be used in the likely event that APRC wins the 2011 Presidential elections.
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God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 21:12:47
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| That's very sensible, bearing in mind the response from Nyarikangbanna who has not slammed the door in your face, YOU will have to put something together to form your proposed working paper,which due to the radical changes that you envision should take place may take considerable time to achieve. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 01:16:02
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First of all, I disagree with an initiative of something ‘against APRC’. The members, supporters, people who vote for APRC are not the enemy. They are your sister, brothers, uncles, neighbors and friends. If there is a failing, I believe it is more than APRC, it is about failure of Gambians in general. I strongly believe that if UDP or PDOIS or any other party forms a government, there will not be significant changes. The issues Gambia having is not due to Jammeh or person A or person B. It has various reasons for failure. It has social, economic, cultural, historical and external reasons for failure.
I like the first one. Accept the common failure. Look at the other nations and understand why some other nations are successful and why Gambia is not. Further understand what the strengths of other nations and weaknesses are. And what the weakness and strengths of Gambia are. Understand what are the characteristics of Gambia are. For example, t is dominantly Muslim, poor nation with GDP per capita is one of the lowest. The literacy rate is less than 40 percent. No natural resources. Not much violence in the society. Society is moderate and no radicalism of nationalism, religion…
Then, try to see other models. Do western democracy, liberal capitalism fit to Gambia? Or take a look at different models in Turkey, Malaysia, Singapore, Bolivia, Korea etc…
I have totally different perspective about statehood and people put too much weight on opposition unity, political process, democratization, human rights etc. Look at Malaysia, there is not much human rights or democracy but I would take their situation any time over Gambia’s.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 11:02:13
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| Turk,there you go again anything for a conflict discussion, by all means have your say but do it constructivly,I didn't detect anything in this that suggested that progress was to be had against the APRC, it was acknowledged that some good had been done,this was an entirely different way of African Political thinking that has been proposed . |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Dembish
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 23:31:10
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Turk you must bear in mind that Jammeh and APRC are not going to be in power forever and the fact that you have seen jammeh's development efforts does not mean that he is the only Gambian with the best development vision for the The gambia.
You see take it this way,during the PPP regime you got people who were advocating for Jawara to stay in power for good,if that be the case will Jammeh have the chance to do what he is claiming to have done for the Gambia.Therefore some one else has a more vision than jammeh who needs to be given the chance.The fact is jammeh like many African leaders has over stayed in power and time is running out on him he is risking to be chase out like a dog one day, but as at now he has everychance at his exposure to handover in a dignified way.But Will he do that? is the question. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 23:51:29
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Dembish
I realize that only allah-u taala is eternal. I strongly believe regardless, who is the leader, I don't see any one (Unless we are talking about Mandela, Gandhi, Ataturk type of leader) who is going to make a significant change. All these talk about UDP, APRC blah is just wasting of time. Democracy, human rights are overrated for Gambia. I would rather something like China type of model over Sweden type of liberal democracy.
Touby
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
12311 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2011 : 01:26:13
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turk wrote:
"Touby
Can you just be quite and don't talk about things you don't understand."
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I don't want to join in political things,(very little else here at the moment.) I am quite happy reading stuff by those who know, what does concern me is that you appear to be an expert on everything and everyone else is wrong in what they write. I readily admit I am not an expert on anything and am prepared to give credit where credit is due,and try to respond constructivly.
As the saying, goes "fill your boots", and let the politicos here educate you.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2011 : 01:30:25
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This is not a popularity contest. I just provide my opinion. Like I said. If you can't handle the information and comments, i suggest you to read poetry section. Read the post?
What did terangba say?
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Even if you do not agree with me, what ideas do you think will work against APRC? I am challenging every on at the Bantaba to list their ideas.
And I said:
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First of all, I disagree with an initiative of something ‘against APRC’.
Can you see the connection of the words in red. Focus man focus. Geezzz. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 26 Jan 2011 02:00:17 |
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toubab1020
12311 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2011 : 11:41:47
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Turk,Oh dear, what a pity I am colour blind,(  )otherwise I would be able to read your angry words !  
I am off to read in the poetry section now ! |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 26 Jan 2011 11:43:06 |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 26 Jan 2011 : 12:12:35
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Terangbaa, I agree with all the points you mentioned above.
I will get back in due course (InsAllah). Perhaps after the 2011 elections like Nyari.
In the mean time, it would be great if all political parties in the Gambia have various official spokespersons who would always be defending their party’s position to the press in the areas of their qualification such as Health, Education, Environment, Energy, Justice etc. That way, there will be teams and less emphasis would be on the individual party leaders’ personalities I hope.
BTW, this is a good topic if only it does not get derailed. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Jan 2011 : 12:38:30
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Terangba, your proposal will be given consideration after the 2011 election provided that there is no success in removing Jammeh. In the mean time, my focus is to continue my support for the UDP and their programmes and strategies as that is the only viable option to Jammeh at the moment despite all their shortcomings, real or percieved. In doing so, I shall continue to remain steadfast in will and resolute in purpose.
Thanks
WHAT A ROGUE POLITICIAN & COMMENTS IS CYNICAL THIS IS ABOUT A NATIONAL CAUSE AND ALL VOCAL MILITANTS ARE CHALLENGED BY TERANGBA TO SINCERELY FOCUS ON THIS TOPIC WITH OPEN MINDS AND HELP ALL OPPONENTS TO RALLY AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC & SEEK THE COMMON SOLUTIONS & STRATEGIES FOR FORTHCOMING ELECTIONS 2011
YOU TEND TO DISPLAY YOUR POTENTIALS AS A VERY SMART,BRIGHT & VIBRANT POLITICIAN OR LEADER SO THERE IS NO ROOM FOR CONTEMPT & LAISSEZ FAIRE ATTITUDE ON THIS QUOTE;
"We ask all our citizens to be an integral part of the change they seek by getting involved in whatever capacity suits them.Change is always a difficult task and along the way it is easy to become despondent, fearful, tired, angry, and sometimes be tempted to throw in the towel. But because the cause we have embarked upon is a just one that must be pursued, we must all strive harder to achieve these important goals. We however, can do it only if we come together as one and face the opponent. This cause is bigger than any individual or group of individuals." Lawyer Ousainou Darboe UDP Leader!
SO NYARI & OTHER ELITES; AS PRESENT GENERATION WITH A DAUNTING TASKS LIVE UP TO EXPECTATIONS YOU OWE IT FOR THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND EVEN YOU CAN ONLY SELL US UDP PARTY LED-COALITION & AGENDA AS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE & SOLUTION? HOWEVER MIND THAT THERE ARE OTHER STAKE HOLDERS TOWARDS THE COMMON GOOD
COMPATRIOTS PLEASE DO JUSTICE TO THIS TOPIC AND GIVE PEACE A CHANCE
RELATED BANTABA GAMBIAN POLITICS TOPIC The opposition has No chance- Waa Juwara UNDER http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10285
WILL BE BACK!
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toubab1020
12311 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2011 : 14:28:38
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Momodou,if your idea official party spokspersons were to be implemented this would surely perpetuate the present fragmented situation.
Terangbaa,is the only person to put forward POLICIES that he would like implemented,all the other politicians are content to blah blah to their members, who nod at the "words of wisdom" that spout from the speaker's mouth,words that do not represent the enhancement of the lives and wishes of THE PEOPLE .
Unless Gambian politicians accept that the way they present THEIR party as a party of good policies for their members nothing will improve.
I agree that this would be a long term excercise and in no way would impinge on the 2011 election.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Prince
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Posted - 26 Jan 2011 : 22:53:14
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Terangba,
You raised very important issues. I cannot comment on specific political leaders as I am not a member of any political party and I do not intend on breaking a sweat for any politician....
Here is my take on the issues you mentioned.
1. One by first and foremost accepting our common failures.
I would not say that that we, as a people, are failures. One could argue that our problems are mainly "short-comings." Apart from that joke paragraph, called vision 2020, Gambia does not have any goals... and without achievable goals, we cannot define failure.
However, we do have short-comings like poverty, tribalism, greed, and extreme HATE;
a. Poverty and greed forces most of our folks to mortgage their souls. A typical Gambian would sell his mother for a little pocket money or a meal of oily food with meat.
It is absolutely disgraceful how some Gambians turn coats for a few dollars. Politics and political patronage of greed is now the biggest driver of the Gambian economy, well ahead of tourism and Agriculture.
However, I would stop short of out-rightly condemning them because I do not know what they are going through. I do not wake up in the morning wondering where my next meal will come from or worry about affording my next vacation... BUT my conscience would not let me do what some of the things "educated" do for a living.
b. Tribalism is very present and prevalent in Gambian politics... a majority of the folks over the age of 45 see politics along purely tribal lines. These are generally wicked souls with fake plastic smiles, hence they phrase "smiling coast."
c. The energy spent on hate in Gambian politics is disturbing. Sadly, the most hateful fools are the so-called educated elites. some of the recent threads on Bantaba highlights how hateful Gambians are; I find it hard to explain how a grown up man would wake up in the morning and harbor so much hate for an imaginary person on the internet. I sometimes feel the hate and bad blood oozing through my monitor.
Some people out here are damn scary, and I am really concerned that they are allowed to raise kids!!
Some of these folks are so charged with negative energy... it is obvious that they are continuously drinking Redbull and HATORADE!
2. Calling for a national dialogue where Gambians will choose a leader that is willing, capable and ready to fight for the people.
One could argue that it is unwise to create a "personality figure" to lead the Gambian opposition, given that Gambians are notorious for turning coats and being economical with the truth. Creating a "face of the struggle" would also make it easier for the struggle to be "killed" by getting rid of its leader. It would be wiser to create a "we are all in this together" philosophy.
History shows several struggles that died with it's leaders...
3. Gambians back home and most especially the Diaspora ought to get serious and support massive development projects and make the new leader the face of those development projects. Gambians politics 101 is all about what the next person can do for village X, Y and Z. If APRC buys a tractor of Village X, we ought to be able to convince that village we can do more and better without trampling on their rights.
4. Do not underrate APRC, APRC has done a lot in the 15 years, the new leader has to convince Gambians that we can have development and human rights and he or she can deliver both.
4. Whenever a single citizen’s rights are abused, the chosen leader will have to be willing a ready to highlight the plight of that particular citizen even if it means sleeping with the mosquitoes at mile two.
Call me prophet of doom but if you expect Jammeh and his APRC to allow anyone to provide aid to his subjects without going through him then you are in for a surprise. Just ask AGERA(sp) or any of the non-political organizations that tried to provide help after the recent floods..... No one shares the limelight with the man in oversized table cloths.... you'll have to provide "development" through the "right channels" or f-off!!
As for Gambian politicians risking their live or limb for the people.... dream on mate, dream on! |
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