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kobo
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 22:04:23
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Janyafara! DID YOU MISSED READING THESE COMMENTS ABOVE (BEING REPEATED FOR YOU AMONGST OTHERS TO DIGEST PROPERLY); NADD: A Realistic Compromise for a Successful Opposition Alliance! under http://www.gainako.com/news/news/2010/12/21/nadd-a-realistic-compromise-for-a-successful-opposition-alliance.html
WHAT DARBOE SAID; "The discussion on NADD was a reminder to both of us that the decision to register it should not have been taken. At this point Mr. Kemesseng Jammeh then intervened to say that the UDP advised against registration of NADD but the advice was not heeded. Mr. Jatta said a merger of political parties could have been registered but I pointed out to him that there was no clause at that time in the constitution of any of the parties that allows for a merger.
Mr. Jatta said if he was around at the time he would have suggested that all parties convene an extraordinary congress to amend their constitutions and insert a clause for mergers so that NADD could be registered without any problem. This was the only occasion and it was only in this context that the word “Extraordinary” was used."
FROM ABOVE STATEMENTS WE ARE TAKING NOTE THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE LOOPHOLE OF LACK OF A CLAUSE FOR MERGERS IN CONSTITUTIONS OF THE OPPOSITION PARTIES INVITED TO FORM NADD; IS BEING EXPLOITED BY UDP TO JUSTIFY & DEFENDING ITS DECISION TO ABANDON NADD.
NOTE ORDER OF UDP EVENTS HANDLING NADD AS FOLLOWS:
1. First it was about; a bad MOU or "OAT" tendered which they considered being coerced to endorsed
2. Then LEADERSHIP STRUGGLE FOR FLAG BEARER, ACCUSATIONS & COUNTER-ACCUSATIONS, BLAME GAME & NAMING BETWEEN THEM; FOR E.G. WAA THIS, HALIFA THAT, HASSAN MUSA CAMARA THIS, O.J THAT, HAMAT THIS, DARBOE THAT ETC
3. UDP DECLARED THAT NADD IS AN ALLIANCE/COALITION FORM AND SHOULD NOT BE REGISTERED AS A POLITICAL PARTY & TENDERED RESIGNATION LETTER;
4. ISSUES NOT RAISED BETWEEN 2006 - 2010 oOR RECENT DEVELOPMENTS EXPOSED FORMALLY 10th DECEMBER 2010;
a. "MERGER" was missing from constitutions of various parties; so NADD's registration as " MERGER OF POLITICAL PARTIES" appears to be not a viable option; according to UDP
b. OVERSIGHT OF "EXTRAORDINARY" MOVE ACCORDING TO DARBOE; "Mr. Jatta said if he was around at the time he would have suggested that all parties convene an extraordinary congress to amend their constitutions and insert a clause for mergers so that NADD could be registered without any problem. This was the only occasion and it was only in this context that the word “Extraordinary” was used."
b. UDP claiming legitimacy as biggest opposition party to lead (i.e. A UDP-PARTY LED) in any unity/alliance/coalition
ANOTHER GAMBIAN COMPATRIOT & DEMOCRAT MADE THESE INTERESTING COMMENTS ON-LINE FORUM ALSO;
"From my understanding(I may be wrong)of Mr Darboe's statement,it seems the UDP decided to withdraw from NADD because it was registered as a party,against their advise.
Could the UDP tell us:
(1) whether NADD's registration hindered it from achieving its objectives and if so,how?
(2) whether it is legally possible for an organisation to sponsor candidates without being registered as a party under our electoral laws?
Most people,like myself (according to him) ,aren't interested in your analyses of PDOIS or how it operates. That's up to PDOIS.
No do we want a distraction from the issue at hand.
Rather than accuse PDOIS of feet dragging;
1. why don't you tell us what coalition they should join and
2. what will be the mandate of the coalition,if it wins in 2011.
We understand from Hon.Jatta's statement that before the last elections,vario us options were looked at by the opposition parties before they decided to accept the NADD option.
So in addition to Agenda 2011,there are other options which the opposition parties can adopt.
I would like to know what option/s(apart from being the 'biggest' party)is the UDP offering the other political parties?
Also,in the event of disagreements in a UDP led coalition government,whic h requires the other partners to withdraw their support,what then happens to the coalition government?"
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 27 Dec 2010 : 00:48:33
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Brother Kobo,
I don't normally enter into political arguements but I do welcome dialogues as they solve issues for common understanding and good for all.I have read your points raised previously and now concerning NADD and the stance of PDOIS and UDP on it.
Our country the GAMBIA is to me biger than UDP PDOIS or any political interest for that matter I think I should make that clear to you.I am speaking for my self. I love the Gambia more than Ousainou Darboe or any body.I hope that is clear to you.
Now I would tell you where I stand on the issue of an opposition coalition as I would always support the truth.
I was amongst the supporters of UDP against the registration of NADD as a political party and some of us were proven right by history as it turn out to be a slap in the face of all the oppositions We all knew the type of party we are fighting against APRC.and we all saw it after the elections when some members of parliament from the opposition camp were taken to court accused of belonging to two political parties and they had to lie that they are members of NADD and not their various parties.Brother was that not a total betrayal of their ethics as legislators?
People expected to form laws that rules you and I and every Gambian compromising their moral ethics just to keep receiving salaries for five years. God I do belief reflection sometimes helps.
Look my brother all parties are found on their own manifestos and they have difference in their approach to serve the people when elected into office and if they want to form an Alliance, fine that would be understanding and acceptable with each party having some form of say or control in such alliance.
As yourself what happened that led to the formation of NADD and its leadership bid
Even if Darboe never wanted to stand up as NADD flag bearer, there was already betrayals during the process leading to NADD's formation.
As far as I am concerned UDP is not a member of NADD and would never be because we don't want to look like fools.
The issue now should be what is the way forward after differences during and after the formation of NADD?
If PDOIS want UDP's participation in a coalition, you the supporters of your party should forget about UDP re- joining NADD. Period!
UDp called for a transition period and presidential term limit if you must know and we want those clauses to be codified so that they can never be changed by any parliament except through a referandum.
What more can you PDOIS ask for.
Much more if you say NADD who are the members of NADD? PDOIS and PPP?
Well here we go again I can assure you we have Mai fatty's party, Hamat would definately rather go with us than NADD.
That is THREE to TWO. why not join the majority if you want unity to boot a common enemy?
Come answer my question where on earth have you kobo ever seen an aliance of parties led by leader of a smaller party when the party with a much larger following has its candidate as a follower ?Tell me where.
You may call it what ever UDP this UDP that but my friends the truth is here to stay. We are not asking to lead any coalition alliance.THE GAMBIAN PEOPLE who oppose yahya Jammeh's party are.
All the time one talks of an opposition alliance, PDOIS supporters would want to remind us of NADD.What do you see in NADD.
Your Leader a man I have so much respect for Halifa want primaries to choose a flag bearer. ButI keep woundering under what banner or platform and who are going to be the electors? All Gambians or only members of the opposition parties? And how do we know who is an opposition and who is not.
How can such a primary be conducted and who is going to conduct it IEC or ourselves.My God sometimes I wonder how some people think.We are talking about our dear motherland GAMBIA not Darboe or Sallah here.Make comon sense of all what the leader say and use your own conscience not because you just want your leader and would follow him even when he is wrong.
I for one doesnot take my daily bread from Darboe and would never back him when he is wrongor about to mislead me and others.Darboe himself know this for we had such discussions before.
But I would back him when he shows me that my views count when it comes our common goal THE GAMBIA.
Darboe had shown maturity and sence of leadership at all times because he consults even the grassroot members of the party when it comes to major decisions like this and am sure when you get closer to him brother KOBO, you would be more UDP than I am.
Good Day my brother.This topic of UDP re-joining NADD is dead because it would never happen.
UDP would be hurting the aspiration of the electorate because amongst all opposition parties, the Gambian electorate have shown they support UDP more than any other party.They have shown that in all elections held since after the July 22nd coup.
Good day my brother. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Dec 2010 : 01:12:30
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PDOIS is being Disingenuous
I have stumbled on an article written by the gibberish talking Administrative Secretary of PDOIS in which he described the position of the UDP, in respect of the coalition talks, as ‘support for a UDP led alliance without any conditionality’. This is clearly a misrepresentation. UDP’s position has been widely disseminated and understood as calling for a party led alliance in which all parties throw their weight behind the biggest. Anything further than this is nothing but a blatant embellishment that does not represent UDP’s position in anyway. This is how the UDP leader articulated his party’s position in his statement of 8th December 2010;
‘‘I then made the point that the well known norm for the creation of an opposition alliance is for the majority party to lead and others throw behind that party''.
Neither Hon. Sidia Jatta, who was purportedly representing NADD and PDOIS, nor Mr. Ousainou Darboe, who represented UDP, made any mention of conditionality in their separate and conflicting statements regarding their discussion.
It is not for UDP to attach conditions to their own proposal- that is simply an unreasonable expectation- but for those who would like to see conditions attached to first accept the proposal at least in principle and then demand, as a bargaining chip, that conditions be attached. That way, we can move this process one step forward from the principal issue of formula to a more secondary issue of conditionality and thereby making final resolution to the impasse more realistic and feasible.
If PDOIS wants to see conditions attached to UDP’s proposal, the sensible and more practicable approach would be for them to accept it in principle and then state what kind of conditions they would like to see attached. However, they mustn't think they can have it both ways; they would have to either indicate their willingness to be part of a UDP led coalition with conditions attached or accept the fact that it isn’t for them to talk about conditionality in that regard.
The statement by Hon. Sidia Jatta to the effect that the international standard of coalition building posited by the UDP cannot be adopted in The Gambia in the light of the absence of a second round voting system is the most ridiculous statement I have come across in this whole coalition debate. As far as facts are concern, there is no second round voting system in South Africa and yet it was the ANC that led the coalition which brought President Jacob Zuma to power; there is no second round of voting in India and yet it was Sonia Ghandi’s Indian National Congress that led the coalition which returned Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to power; there is no second round voting system in the United Kingdom and yet it is the Conservative party of Prime Minister Cameroun that is leading the coalition government here despite having not won an outright majority in the last general election- the list can go on-, and in all these examples, it is the biggest parties which assume leadership without any resort to primaries. Hon. Jatta’s statement is therefore not only absurd but simply lacking basis. It is nothing but a glib.
It is really sad to see a man [Hon. Sidia Jatta] who is widely acclaimed to be a man of impeccable integrity falling for the temptation of misinforming Gambians just to score cheap political points against perceived opponents. His Guinea Conakry-Ivory Coast comment is totally irresponsible and without a place in this all important debate.
Regards
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Dec 2010 : 16:57:16
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Originally posted by Janyanfara
Brother Kobo,
Much more if you say NADD who are the members of NADD? PDOIS and PPP?
Well here we go again I can assure you we have Mai fatty's party, Hamat would definately rather go with us than NADD.
That is THREE to TWO. why not join the majority if you want unity to boot a common enemy?
ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE BASELESS & LACK MERIT; THEREFORE NOT BOTHERED TO CONSIDER THEM SERIOUSLY. HOWEVER WE WERE LUCKY TO WITNESSED EXCHANGES BETWEEN; S.DAFFEH, MUSA JENG & JERRY JALLOW TO ASSIST US IN UNDERSTANDING THE ISSUES IN CONTENTION BETTER; IN NATIONAL INTERESTS!
I JUST CAME BACK TO ADJUST YOUR SUMS RIGHT; 3 MINUS NRP = 2. THEREFORE THAT IS NOW TWO TO TWO REFER LATEST FROM RELATED BANTABA GAMBIAN POLITICS TOPIC Hamat Bah to contest 2011 presidential election under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10157
THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY SIDIA JATTA DECLARED TO THE PUBLIC; "Having been waiting for Mr. Ousainou Darboe to come back to me as promised after meeting his Executive Committee, I was invited to a meeting by the PDOIS Executive Committee to brief them on whether the UDP leader had spoken to me about any Alliance that they wanted PDOIS to join which aims to discuss the future of the country and the modalities of creating a united front without any conditionality. It has been brought to my notice that the GMC leader, Mr. Mai Fatty, has called on PDOIS to join an Alliance but has not sent any document to indicate that an Alliance exists which PDOIS should join. After my discussion with the PDOIS Central Committee, I have seen the need to make my discussion with the UDP leader public so that all speculations would come to an end. "
SOME OF YOU BEING VOCAL FOR UDP NEED BABY SITTING IN GAMBIAN POLITICS AND COMPREHENSION OF SIMPLE RENGLISH |
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kobo
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 07 Jan 2011 : 14:51:16
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originally posted by kobo,
......THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY SIDIA JATTA DECLARED TO THE PUBLIC; "Having been waiting for Mr. Ousainou Darboe to come back to me as promised after meeting his Executive Committee, I was invited to a meeting by the PDOIS Executive Committee to brief them on whether the UDP leader had spoken to me about any Alliance that they wanted PDOIS to join which aims to discuss the future of the country and the modalities of creating a united front without any conditionality. It has been brought to my notice that the GMC leader, Mr. Mai Fatty, has called on PDOIS to join an Alliance but has not sent any document to indicate that an Alliance exists which PDOIS should join. After my discussion with the PDOIS Central Committee, I have seen the need to make my discussion with the UDP leader public so that all speculations would come to an end. "
SOME OF YOU BEING VOCAL FOR UDP NEED BABY SITTING IN GAMBIAN POLITICS AND COMPREHENSION OF SIMPLE RENGLISH
Kobo,
There you go again! I keep trying but failed to let you know or atleast realise that someone being an educated intelectual, doesnot make them political intelectuals. Some intellectual are politically stupid. In politics one does need western education but its not a central pillar in organisaing the people to rally behind you. You need to be part of them, feel like them and share with them. That is political intelectuality and PDOIS larks that.
So it is your party PDOIS that needs political baby siting and you know it.
I remember days when PDOIS would just come to a village or Town and without visiting anyone, would just pitch their loud speakers at the village squire and start addressing the people as if they are not part of us but mere civic educators and thats why I told you kobo they would serve the nation best at the university teaching political science/ philosophy.
PDOIS used not to go to people's houses share their food show them that they matter,.people see them as too good to go to poor homes and share with people their coos coos and findi and yet they call themselves a party of socialism.Kobo in the Gambian context socialism means a lot and it depends from what corner you ask the question.
kobo that is African politic and Gambian Politics and the more you learn the better for your party.We Gambians care less about neckties if you don't want to notice our thurn chayaas and dirty shirts from the farm.
If Sedia was called by the PDOIS central commitee and asked if he had heard from Darboe on what ever promise he said Darboe promised to get back to him. Why not re contact Darboe if WHAT SEEDIA SAID WAS TRUE HE WASWAITING TO HEAR FROM DARBOE.
If KMC leader Mr. Fatty calls on PDOIS to join the ALLIANCE and PDOIS had met woth UDP as SEEDIA said now fellow Gambians look at the complications and self contradiction........Kobo political stupidity. KMC's call for PDOIS to join an Alliance what alliance PDOIS did not find out from KMC and again did not contact UDP they had formal meeting with and did not wait to hear from UDP as Seedia said Ousainou promised him but sat at their executive meetiing to betray their conscience and went public so as to be seen as the genuine ones who are serious.
If PDOIS had nothing to hide why not wait for DARBOE as Sedia said Has any member of UDP publicly ask PDOIS to join any Alliance.You see PDOIS's political stupidity?
How can you have formal meeting with a party and asked to wait until they get back to you and before you hear from them you deside to public and say what did not happen are you interested in sharing even if what sedia said actually happened, why not ask the other party's conscent before going public as it was only on preminary level and going public could affect nomalisation of relations therefore its better to excercise maturity and write to UDP asking for clarifications for KMC's call whether they UDP share that view as PDOIS still awaits Ousainou's reply but heard a call not a formal letter from Mr. Fatty of KMC asking us to join the Alliance and PDOIS wants clarifications as to what Alliance. Am sure PDOIS is aware of KMC forming Alliance with UDP but PDOIS is in the NADD Alliance so yourr party did not know what Alliance KMC Leader is refering to.
You see Kobo PDOIS crber spokesman that, you would be seen as politically mature but intelectual maturity is quite different from political maturity in politic every petty thing counts. "Politicians do not belong to themselves but to the people who vote for them" have'nt you heard these phraces before? I am sure your master must have heard them.Kobo I have been to the citizen's bureau of PDOIS many times and there it is still master servant or teacher lecturer but not the otherway round at all.
Tell your masters they have erred in political discussions with another party by going public without consulting their partners in the discussion.
I can assure you that I know the Gambia more than your political masters and I can assure you that there are villages in the Gambia where the PDOIS have never visited and those people are very important when it comes to votes counts as they too when visited feel counted that is politics. Ground work and mass mobilisation and capitalising on your opponents week points to gain high with the electorates.
Kobo I used to be a field worker and have travelled from koina to kartong.I know the Gambia and speak most of it major languages.
If I cannot teach Halifa or Sedia in politics they cannot teach me in it that is for sure.As for you you will learn a lot from people like us on Bantaba.
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Edited by - Janyanfara on 07 Jan 2011 15:04:19 |
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kobo
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Posted - 07 Jan 2011 : 17:57:13
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THESE TWO RELATED BANTABA GAMBIAN POLITICS TOPICS CLOSED THAT PHASE & CHAPTER OF MALICIOUS RHETORICS STRATEGIES & PETTY EXCHANGES TO DEVIATE FROM THE CORE POLITICAL ISSUES, REALITIES & FACTS IN COALITION/ALLIANCE/UNITED FRONT BUILDING EXERCISE; TOWARDS THE COMMON GOOD;
1.MY POINTS ARE CLEAR FROM PDOIS a failureunder http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10188
2. UDP Leader's New year message under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10196
"We ask all our citizens to be an integral part of the change they seek by getting involved in whatever capacity suits them. Change is always a difficult task and along the way it is easy to become despondent, fearful, tired, angry, and sometimes be tempted to throw in the towel. But because the cause we have embarked upon is a just one that must be pursued, we must all strive harder to achieve these important goals. We however, can do it only if we come together as one and face the opponent. This cause is bigger than any individual or group of individuals."UDP Leader/Lawyer Ousanou Darboe
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND & "JOIN OUR DIVERSE PEOPLES TOWARDS THE COMMON GOOD!"
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