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toubab1020



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Posted - 17 Jun 2011 :  11:10:23  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
Next Alex,why not spend a little ( ? ) time trawling through this topic there MAY be something of interest to you here :

http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3673

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.

Edited by - toubab1020 on 17 Jun 2011 11:10:58
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NextAlexHaley



USA
3 Posts

Posted - 29 Jun 2011 :  17:31:27  Show Profile Send NextAlexHaley a Private Message
Hello everyone!

Thanks for your comments!! This has been an interesting journey and a great history lesson.

I have read all your comments and they have been extremely helpful. I have done some name searches online (thatís how I discovered this website) and the tribes you have been matching with names is what I have discovered as well. Also it matches the historical record. The tribes John Holman and other salve traders were working within the Rio Pongo area were the Baga tribe. They were in wars during the mid to late 1700ís with the Fulani. Also they were bringing enslaved Africans from the interior (hinterland) from the area of present-day Mali. So discovering that the names of enslaved Africans in Holmanís estate inventory are Fulani and Mandinke is not surprising.

To make this research more interesting, I have also done Y-DNA testing for my paternal line. According to the results, my Y-DNA haplogroup is R1b1b2. Itís European. Y chromosome is passed down from father to son unchanged (except for slight mutations occurring in approximately 500 years intervals) regardless of the Ďraceí of the mother. The paper trail is taking me back to Meredith, Ginney, Numah, Mahmah Toay, etc. I havenít matched any European families closely. The families my Y-DNA is similar to are generally families that have legends of admixture from Roman soldiers in ancient Britain. Iím mentioning this because the Toure clan (according to Ibn Battuta) as well as some other African clans had admixture from the Romans. The Romans were in North Africa. When the Arabs conquered North Africa they intermixed with the people who were already mixed with Roman stock. It was those North Africans who through invitation, invasion, trade or travel came to the empires in West Africa.

I also noticed in the Holmanís inventory some of the names sound Jewish. Names like Moriah and Yah Morah. Doing further research, Jews who escaped or were displaced from Israel after 70 AD traveled from North Africa through trade, came to the interior of Africa as well.

Are there any recommended books on the histories of the West African kingdoms and the various clans I should read?
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NextAlexHaley



USA
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Posted - 29 Jun 2011 :  17:34:12  Show Profile Send NextAlexHaley a Private Message
Toubab,

Thanks for the link. This was the link I discovered in researching African names that brought me to this website.

NextAlex

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Originally posted by toubab1020

Next Alex,why not spend a little ( ? ) time trawling through this topic there MAY be something of interest to you here :

http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3673

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toubab1020



9007 Posts

Posted - 29 Jun 2011 :  17:37:46  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
Next Alex, you have been very busy and your research appears to show that you are a mixture of everybody if I read you right,fascinating, bet you are going to write a book ! please keep bantaba in cyberspace updated with your work most interesting,I told you that you would find much info here.

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Sister Omega



United Kingdom
2085 Posts

Posted - 02 Jul 2011 :  11:32:08  Show Profile  Visit Sister Omega's Homepage Send Sister Omega a Private Message
Hi NextAlexHaley,

I have often found in historical texts misspelling can be often be misleading and can send one off on a wild goose chase. However it does seem as if you are heading in the right direction. Yah which can also be pronounced as Jah is a Fula surname and your right they did migrate from the North east Africa to West Africa.

Peace

Sister Omega

Peace
Sister Omega
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 06 Jul 2011 :  23:16:40  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
Who knows maybe I am a relative of Sista... She does have some of my traits. Maybe it is due to our DNA.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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toubab1020



9007 Posts

Posted - 06 Jul 2011 :  23:43:06  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
Turk,
"Maybe it is due to our DNA." more likely to be through your faith in ORAL HISTORY ,nothing at all to do with your "traits"

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.

Edited by - toubab1020 on 06 Jul 2011 23:49:54
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turk



USA
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Posted - 07 Jul 2011 :  05:36:41  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
Toubab

My faith in Oral History? Let me ask you again. To find out what your grand father name is, did you go to registration office? Or did you have to do DNA?

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.

Edited by - turk on 07 Jul 2011 05:37:58
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toubab1020



9007 Posts

Posted - 07 Jul 2011 :  14:13:27  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
No problem there at all I knew and spoke to him before he died at that time I didn't have any interest at all in learning about my roots,so his oral history I do not know.However without any difficulty at all I can retrieve any information from STORED records,which are available on the internet for FREE or a SMALL fee.Other more specialised records are available from libraries and organisations upon application,Manorial rolls of estates in times hundreds of years ago,many many places and names are interconnected,so turk I fear that your side of the discussion cannot be sustained,that's a fact.I am not saying that oral history is unimportant it is, it is VITAL if you have NO STORED WRITTEN INFORMATION within your culture.

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 07 Jul 2011 :  16:02:00  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
Did I ever say if oral history is only information you can use? No. Did I ever say written record is unimportant? No. What is happening here, you come up saying that recorded history is more accurate and useful than oral history which I have never denied. And you are in some hallucination that I was opposing the importance or accuracy of recorded history over oral history. Everyone on the planet knows that recorded history is more accurate and practical than oral history. So I don't know whom you are arguing about it. Recorded history is more accurate, practical and permanent than oral history. That is a fact. No one disputes that other than your imaginary friend.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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toubab1020



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Posted - 07 Jul 2011 :  19:03:50  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
"Recorded history is more accurate, practical and permanent than oral history. That is a fact."

Job done then Turk, by the way "No one disputes that other than your imaginary friend" that's not you then ?

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.

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turk



USA
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Posted - 07 Jul 2011 :  19:46:52  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
Not me. I never disputed about recorded history. But I do not need to look at the registry if I know who is my great great grand mother is. I trust my parents for this.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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toubab1020



9007 Posts

Posted - 08 Jul 2011 :  00:03:47  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
OK.

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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njucks

Gambia
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Posted - 10 Jul 2011 :  11:45:57  Show Profile Send njucks a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by turk

Not me. I never disputed about recorded history. But I do not need to look at the registry if I know who is my great great grand mother is. I trust my parents for this.



Turk u can be funny sometimes
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 10 Jul 2011 :  15:50:47  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
Hey

You have not been posting here for a long time. Wha da gwan?

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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