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GAMBIA-L Digest 105
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) query: Kompins by "Jobst Münderlein" <joppl@hotmail.com> 2) SV: re:conference by "Momodou S Sidibeh" <momodou.sidibeh@stockholm.mail.telia.com> 3) Re: query: Kompins by BAKSAWA <BAKSAWA@aol.com> 4) Re: Joke by "Morro krubally" <jamba@cyberramp.net> 5) An alternative strategy for macro-economic development (A vision without a realistic foundation is a castle built in thin air) by "foroyaa@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 6) Re: conference by TSaidy1050 <TSaidy1050@aol.com> 7) Re: An alternative strategy for macro-economic development (A vision without a realistic foundation is a castle built in thin air) by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 8) Re: mail overload? by Saikou B M Njai <sbn13@cad.canterbury.ac.nz> 9) Re: Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri by "sillah conateh" <sillahconateh@hotmail.com> 10) Re: Email Update by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 11) Re: Part 3 cont by "sillah conateh" <sillahconateh@hotmail.com> 12) Is it a new Gambia? by "janko.fofana@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 13) sutura and other wolof words by "Heidi Skramstad" <heidis@amadeus.cmi.no> 14) Re: Dumping on the developing world (fw) by habib <hghanim@erols.com> 15) RE: Email Update by Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> 16) Re: Dumping on the developing world (fwd) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 17) Re : Joke (again) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 18) RE: Re : Joke (again) by Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> 19) Re: Is it a new Gambia by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 20) RE: Re : Joke (again) by "Heidi Skramstad" <heidis@amadeus.cmi.no> 21) Re: Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri by habib <hghanim@erols.com> 22) Re: Re : Joke (again) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 23) Re: sutura and other wolof words by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 24) Re: New address and members by habib <hghanim@erols.com> 25) Re: Re : Joke (again) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 26) Re: Part 3 cont by habib <hghanim@erols.com> 27) Re: sutura and other wolof words by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 28) Re: New members by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 29) Re: Is it a New Gambia by habib <hghanim@erols.com> 30) RE: Re : Joke (again) by Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> 31) Re: Email Update by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 32) Re: Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri by habib <hghanim@erols.com> 33) Remote sensing opportunity (fwd) by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 34) Re: Joke by habib <hghanim@erols.com> 35) Re: conference by habib <hghanim@erols.com> 36) RE: Email Update by Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> 37) Re: Dumping on the developing world (fwd) by habib <hghanim@erols.com> 38) New Edition of FRESH by "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 39) Re: Is it a new Gambia? by "Morro krubally" <jamba@cyberramp.net> 40) RE: Email Update by AYONELSONHOMIAH@compuserve.com 41) introduction by "Ousman Sawaneh" <osawaneh@post9.tele.dk> 42) Re:My Commentary On What PDOIS Had To Say On The ECONOMY!! by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 43) Re: introduction by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 44) [Fwd: Fwd: Is This Ignorance Or What!!!] (fwd) by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> 45) Re: Joke by BAKSAWA <BAKSAWA@aol.com> 46) Fw: Music and Dance Ensemble by "Katim S. Touray" <dekat@itis.com> 47) SV: Email Update by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk> 48) Re: [Fwd: Fwd: Is This Ignorance Or What!!!] (fwd) by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 49) unsubscribe by "Papa N'Jie" <papa1@mdx.ac.uk> 50) RE: [Fwd: Fwd: Is This Ignorance Or What!!!] (fwd) by Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> 51) new member by Sainey Keita <S.Keita@reading.ac.uk> 52) Re: Email Update by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 53) Re: [Fwd: Fwd: Is This Ignorance Or What!!!] (fwd) by "Morro krubally" <jamba@cyberramp.net> 54) New member and Eid mubarak by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 55) Unsubscribe by "lamin" <wintersu@dlc.fi> 56) New Member by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 57) Re: sutura and other wolof words by "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com> 58) Re: An alternative strategy for macro-economic development (A vision without a realistic foundation is a castle built in thin air) by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 59) Re: sutura and other wolof words by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 60) Ignorance by SANG1220 <SANG1220@aol.com> 61) Re: [Fwd: Fwd: Is This Ignorance Or What!!!] (fwd) by ELLA23K <ELLA23K@aol.com> 62) Fw: Watch Out: Globalisation is Re-drawing Africa's Borders (fwd) by Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu> 63) new member by "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> 64) (no subject) by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> 65) New member by "Anthony Loum" <sambabalangarr@classic.msn.com> 66) Gro Harlem Brundtland Elected WHO Director-General by "Momodou Camara" <nijii@hotmail.com> 67) Re:My Commentary On What PDOIS Had To Say On The ECONOMY!! by "Alpha Robinson" <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de> 68) (Fwd) Message from Momodou Buhary Gassama by Ba-Musa Ceesay <Ba-Musa.Ceesay@Oslo.Norad.telemax.no> 69) Fulani-lessons in Oslo? by Svend Ole Kvilesjo <svendok@online.no> 70) Re:My Commentary On What PDOIS Had To Say On The ECONOMY!! by "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 71) ORGANIATIONS by LaminLams.Bojang@fco.mh.se (LaminLams Bojang) 72) Re: Gro Harlem Brundtland Elected WHO Director-General by habib <hghanim@erols.com> 73) Re: (Fwd) Message from Momodou Buhary Gassama by MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se> 74) SEX SCANDAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE by BobbySil <BobbySil@aol.com> 75) Re: SEX SCANDAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE by "astrid christensen-tasong" <attatas@hotmail.com> 76) SEX SCANDAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE (fwd) by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> 77) Re: WHY AINT THE ECONOMIC BAND PLAYING (fwd) by Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu> 78) Eid day??? by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> 79) Fw: M$ Monitor: Contact DOJ by "Katim S. Touray" <dekat@itis.com> 80) Fw: Africa: Policy Outlook 1998 by "Katim S. Touray" <dekat@itis.com> 81) The University Extension Programme (UEP) by Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu> 82) Scandal by SANG1220 <SANG1220@aol.com> 83) Re: Eid day??? by Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu> 84) Re: Scandal by "A. 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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:19:29 PST From: "Jobst Münderlein" <joppl@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: query: Kompins Message-ID: <19980125131930.25631.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain
hello, could anybody please advise me on how to translate the expression "Kompin" or explain to me what a Yahya-Kompin is? I would be very greatful.
Jobst
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:33:39 +0100 From: "Momodou S Sidibeh" <momodou.sidibeh@stockholm.mail.telia.com> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: SV: re:conference Message-ID: <199801251444.PAA18670@d1o2.telia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Eventhough I clearly quoted Mr. Ndow before writing about what and why I disagreed with his opinion; and despite the fact that my contribution on Is It In Our Nature has been clearly numbered, and that my responses to Bass' subsequent questions and comments were adequately in order, Mr. Ndow says he is uncertain as to what I have been referring to. Unfortunately, I cannot be more precise than I have already been. I wrote: "So because our culture is oral, well-educated Gambians like yourself, Latjor, and me should be excused for suggesting half-baked solutions to our problems, a catalogue of past failures, resting on confusion, not withstanding? (Let me remind you that President Yahya Jammeh is very keen in dismissing incompetents)". I have no doubt whatsoever that Mr. Ndow seems to have been offended by the phrase ..."half-baked solutions"...Without wasting much time let me say that I sincerely regret using that phrase. I could have used a less sloppy one.
Secondly, Mr. Ndow seems to believe that I have been waging an intellectual insurgency against him as an individual and other individual groups of Gambians. It remains a mystery why Mr. Ndow thinks that I have insinuated, anywhere, that he is anti-analytical i.e he is the enemy of analysis. I think a clarification from Mr. Ndow is in order here, not only because I intend to continue to discuss ideas irrespective of their source, but also to help us avoid any future misunderstandings.The issues at stake were ideas and not the individuals or groups of individuals behind the ideas. Nothing that I wrote, except perhaps where I directly referred to Bass, warrants such personalization.
Thirdly, I think there is a streak of tragedy in all of this. After voluntarily using my time and supplying you with so many interesting ideas, even if all them were half-witted, the most important thing Mr. Ndow seems to have noticed is my insidious attempt to villify his intelligence and that of other groups of Gambians. I definitely hope that if there are others on Gambia-l who thought that too, they would have said so. BTW, I wish you the best of luck in your studies, and with the conference.
Momodou Sidibeh, Kartong/Stockholm. ---------- > Från: latjor ndow <latjor@hotmail.com> > Till: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Ämne: re:conference > Datum: den 23 januari 1998 06:10 > > Greetings: > Since I am not sure if some of what Mr. Sidibeh had to say was in direct > reference to some of my statements regarding the conference I am > proposing for us to have in the Washington area (i.e. his comments on > '...half baked ideas ...'), I shall safely distance myself from drawing > any conclusions or jumping into the 'Is is in our nature debate' that > has been going on. There is too much work for me at the moment to > indulge in analysis at the moment. Organizing a major event along with a > full course load (started the ph.d program in physics) often forces me > to say what needs to be said in the shortest possible time then move on. > Thus if I have in my previous posting conveyed the image of being > anti-analytical that would be an unfortunate one. Far from being > anti-analytical, I champion the human intellect for being capable of > addressing and ultimately finding solutions to the problems of humanity. > However, I do also hold in high esteem 'action'. I do value human > warmth, and generosity of spirit (i.e. matters pertaining to the heart > far removed from the intellect) all of which at the end of the day are > major contributors to human social organizing tendencies. > By the way, let us not forget who actually lives in our communities? Are > they not the very individuals that populte gambia-l? It is unfortunate > though that most of them while actively following the debates prefer to > reserve their analytically structured views and share them only when we > meet in informat social gatherings. i.e. in the 'kampekaays', the > 'kabudus', ... Perhaps this may have led some to assume that only > half-baked ideas and analysis goes on within our communities. > > In celebration of Gambian Independence Anniversary - > LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE - WASHINGTON D.C. > Tentative Conference Date: Sat. Feb. 21 > Tentative Location: Howard University Campus > Evening Event: Cultural Gala Night (organized by the GPA) > Featuring Sabar (Sing Sing Rhythm), Baati Linguere Choral > Group of Atlanta, Gambian DJ Rhythm King Shakie, Wolof Rap Artist Karim > Wagan, and much more ... > > I shall be contacting this weekend all those who either sent me mail or > called or spoke to me in persond. Will keep the rest of the gambia-l > family posted. > > Best regards, > LatJor > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:04:01 EST From: BAKSAWA <BAKSAWA@aol.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: query: Kompins Message-ID: <3c14d48e.34cb5463@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Jobst:
In a message dated 98-01-25 08:21:43 EST, you wrote:
<< hello, could anybody please advise me on how to translate the expression "Kompin" or explain to me what a Yahya-Kompin is? I would be very greatful. Jobst >>
Kompin means a committee or club (mostly social). Yaayi-Kompin is the chairwoman of the club or committee.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: Traditionally, almost all the Kompins would have a Papa: A male honorary chairman who is invited to the Kompin's annual/important functions. He may also serve as a consultant on important matters affecting the Kompin.
My question to List Members who recently came from The Gambia is: Are Kompins still going strong?
Thanks!
Awa Sey
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:01:49 -0800 From: "Morro krubally" <jamba@cyberramp.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Cc: <BAKSAWA@oal.com> Subject: Re: Joke Message-ID: <199801251801.MAA00515@mailhost.cyberramp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Awa: What a pleasure indeed to catch you on the line. Wasn't that joke about the politician hilarious? You know in those days the English language was still in it's rugged form. Not quite as evolved as it is today. So, arguably, in the contex of the times, he might have been right by responding " The same to you." David letterman or Jay leno should get a hold of this one. Only I wouldn't tell them the politician was a African.
On a different note, How is all in Maine?
Morro Krubally
---------- > From: BAKSAWA <BAKSAWA@aol.com> > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Joke > Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 5:42 PM > > > Sillah: > > In a message dated 98-01-23 23:32:39 EST, you wrote: > > << One day he lost a dear relative. As usual, a delegation of of the House > >of Parliament was at his house to attend the burial and to extend their
> >condolences. When any of those members told him, " Accept my sympathy "
> >he in reply told them " I wish you the same" unknowingly. Quite > >interesting but these were old time politicians. What should he have > >said in reply? >> > > I think it was quite logical for him to respond "thanks for your support" or > just a simple "thanks" (especially if he was not confident with his command of > the English language!). > > That was a very funny joke. It is nice to have something to laugh about once > in a while!! > > Awa Sey
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:57:05 -0000 From: "foroyaa@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: An alternative strategy for macro-economic development (A vision without a realistic foundation is a castle built in thin air) Message-ID: <B0000042705@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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AN ALTERNATIVE STRATEGY FOR MACRO-ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
A Vision Without a Realistic Foundation Is A castle Built On Thin Air
(Letter to the Secretary of State for Finance and Economic Affairs on the 1998 Budget signed by HALIFA SALLAH)
The debate on the 1998 budget by members of the National Assembly is history. However, the issues raised during the debate cannot be buried in the grave yards of our minds. The reason for this is simple.
The decisions made on how to run the affairs of the country in 1998 are likely to add something to or delete something from the lives of the people. Therefore, what is required now is to shift the debate from the confines of the National Assembly and stage it in the theatre of our public life. This is precisely the objective of this letter.
It is important to point out in passing that it accords with the dictates of sound reasoning that people placed in positions of public trust should have deep interest in ensuring a comprehensive analysis of issues of fundamental importance in order to formulate realistic and desirable policies whose implementation could provide appropriate response to the vital concerns of our times and circumstances. Such sound analysis in the area of public finance requires more than common sense economics which many resorted to during the debate in the National Assembly. It requires intellectual honesty on the part of decision makers and their fidelity to propositions that are fully grounded on irrefutable premises.
It is, of course, admissible that when a debate opens and the facts are left hanging on a balance, while they are being debated, the contending views should neither be lightly accepted nor lightly dismissed. This state of equilibrium is, however, not permanent. It is undone once the proven weight of certain arguments impose themselves with overwhelming decisiveness on the contending view. At that point, one chooses to ignore such ideas only to one's intellectual detriment.
Truth is a rock and those who combat it are totally left incapacitated and ineffective in shaping the destiny of peoples and countries.
To proceed, I am compelled to register my dissatisfaction that you chose to dismiss very concrete proposals as very light rhetorics during your response to the contributions made by given members of the National Assembly without giving proper thought to their inherent weight. This misnomer, which is generally applied to our reasoning when one takes a partisan, instead of a scientific posture, often bars a person from considering reasonably balanced arguments which may engender viable solutions to concrete problems.
You would agree with me that rhetoric is the tendency to dwell on trivial matters just to avoid facing the central point at issue.
The purpose of this intervention is to digress from trivialities and focus on the concrete economic picture you have mapped out in your budget speech with the view to point out the discrepancy between the imagined weight you assigned to your argument to warrant your deduction that 1998 "is set to be an era full of promise", and its real weight when gauged on the balance of objective analysis.
In this way, the discerning observer would be able to know which argument would justifiably be dubbed rhetoric.
Now, allow me to proceed to the analysis.
The first point to note is that after supporting D26,000 per month for the President; D16,000 for the Vice President; D13,000 for Secretaries of State; D8000 for the Minority Leader; D11,000 for the Majority Leader, if elected, and D7000 for National Assembly members, many members of the National Assembly members called for salary increases for those at the lower ranks of the public service.
The fact of the matter, however, is that government does not even have enough money to meet its public expenditure for the 1998 financial year. The estimates you presented to the members of the National Assembly reveal that for the fiscal year 1996/97 the revenue derived mainly from taxes amounted to D782,722,296 while the actual expenditure was D1,348,255,000. This leaves a deficit of D565,532,704. If we rely on the other figures given in your estimates as expenditure for 1996/97, that is, D972,609,966, the deficit would amount to D189,887,670. For 1998, revenue is estimated at D961,655,989 while expenditure is estimated at D1,489,162,000. This leaves a deficit of D527,506,011 for 1998. If we rely on the other figures given in your estimates as expenditure for 1998, that is, D1,072,989,070, the deficit would amount to D111,333,081.
One may now ask: How do you intend to deal with the deficit in order to create a surplus to increase salaries?
Those who made recommendation for salary increases did not say a word on this issue. What do you call remarks which call for salary increases without making concrete proposals on how to eradicate budget deficits? I will leave you to give a reply. I am, however, convinced that if you were to devote high grade reasoning on the issue, your description will not fall short of using the word 'rhetoric'.
Furthermore, one may ask: How has the government been dealing with its deficits? The answer is simple. It has been borrowing and begging and has been receiving loans and grants way before the Economic Recovery Programme (ERP) came into being in 1985 to date. This borrowing has been from internal and external sources. The borrowing is so huge that you have indicated that we are to pay D439 million out of a budget of D934.7 million as debt service charges. You have also indicated that "outstanding stock of domestic debt at the end of October, 1997 is D806 million, a 32% increase over last year".
All Gambians do hear advertisements of Treasury Bills which provide funds for the government, but also require huge payment of interest. This is why you have indicated that between 1993/94 and 1996/97 "Domestic interest payments doubled during the period from D79.2 million to D164.7 million."
According to you, this interest payment is "necessitating more than desired increased government borrowing from the banking system, thereby further contributing to the widening of the budget deficit, ushering in a vicious cycle." These are your own words which have accurately reflected our position in our book published in 1992 entitled ANALYSIS OF THE INTERNATIONAL AND NATIONAL ECONOMIES.
Hence, if we stay within the realm of analytical economics, we will not fail to agree that The Gambia is faced with a deficit and debt crises. How then are these two crises to be addressed? This is the question that all Gambians should ask all those who seek to lead this country. The answers they give to this question determines those who have real solutions to the problems of the country and those who are just engaged in rhetoric.
Let us now examine where the government is taking the country.
You have indicated that the 1998 estimates for 1998 put the development budget at D305 million. D55 million is supposed to be from grants. D40 million is supposed to be from Gambia's local funds. The loan component is put at D210 million or 60% of the development budget. This confirms that even though the country is already terribly indebted, one can see that the size of the loan component of the budget spells more indebtedness in the future.
What is rather tragic, Mr. Secretary of State, is that even the Majority Leader in the National Assembly is oblivious to the dangers of the debt trap because of increasing dependence on loans for most of our development projects. In defending the huge expenditure on foreign travels, he implied that the President can travel as much as he wishes as long as what is brought is more than what is spent. He failed to realise that what is spent is the solid money of the Gambian people and what is brought back are loans which have to be paid with interest. In short, the most desirable strategy for sustainable development is one where we utilise our resources more and take less loans to finance development projects. This is the only way to come out of the debt trap.
The question now arises: How can we expand our local contribution to the development budget in the face of budget deficits?
PDOIS calls for financial discipline. It calls for the eradication of all forms of extravagance among the leadership and practice thrift in expenditure in order to eradicate the budget deficit without high increase in taxation. Reducing the cost of foreign travels of the President by taking normal flights and cutting on entourage and imprests would be one way of imposing progressive measures to eradicate the budget deficits instead of retrenching public servants and reducing expenditure on services or the increase in taxes and the introduction of cost recovery for services.
Of course, a person who has applied a high grade of mental energy in following the arguments may be quick to say that even if it is possible to eradicate the deficit by eliminating extravagance and ensuring financial discipline, a distinct possibility exists that such measures will not be sufficient to create a surplus for development expenditure and thus reduce the loan component. A tax based economy cannot sustain recurrent and development expenditure without incurring deficits and loans. The higher the spending, the higher the loan component and the greater the indebtedness.
We maintain that it is wishful thinking to expect the private sector to generate enough tax revenue to enable government to eradicate its deficits and have surplus to increase spending on development projects.
Abundant facts reveal that your entire budgetary mechanism is rooted in structural arrangements which, for over 30 years, have not been able to generate enough revenue to meet the recurrent and development needs of the country.
This calls for major alterations in economic policy. The alterations must be rooted in a systematic evaluation of what is made possible by our concrete realities. We must be determined to rely on facts and not dogma to discover the optimal solutions to our socio-economic problems.
Hence, the issue is not whether one is committed to a private sector led growth or public sector led growth. The issue is the question of finding an alternative policy that could provide appropriate solutions to our deficits and indebtedness.
In short, development does not proceed according to whims and designs, no matter how noble; on the contrary, they proceed according to the dictates of objective reality which we can shape only if we understand their nature and characteristics. This imposes a burden on policy makers to study the concrete realities of their countries and work out appropriate policies.
Now one may ask: What alternative does PDOIS propose?
PDOIS has given example of how leaders should be able to sacrifice to ensure that the deficit is contained by Sidia Jatta rejecting the D7000 provided to National Assembly members and proposing to take D1500 as salary and D1000 as allowance for transportation, etc. The rest of the sum is to be put into a WULI FUND to be managed by the representatives of the people in Wuli.
Furthermore, PDOIS has given example of how the Assets Management and Recovery Corporation (AMRC) could be transformed into an investment bank. Public corporations could deposit what they accumulate in such a bank and thus facilitate investment in fisheries, construction, light scale industries in processing cotton, milk, leather, grains, fruits and vegetables for consumption. This will generate employment and income to sustain social services and development projects on a more sustainable basis.
Of course, such a proposition does raise interesting issues for those technocrats who lack critical thinking. For example, they do say that public corporations cannot be efficient because the employees do not take them as their own. Let us now ask: Which major private company is run without employing workers and managers, who do not own the company, to run it? An efficient government must have an efficient system of management.
Additionally, public funds can be invested to set up cooperatives for farmers, those in the fishing sector, artisans, carpenters, masons, etc. This production and marketing cooperatives will enhance the earning capacity of its members, generate employment, provide funds for social services and expand production and marketing.
Mr. Secretary of State, a distinct possibility exists for this country to carry its way in the world with diminishing loans and expansion of national output. We have about 300,000 heads of cattle, 250,000 goats, 200,000 sheep, 740,000 chicken. We can produce 80,000 metric tonnes of fish while we produce only 30,000. We can produce all the grain we need. We need 14,174 metric tonnes of food which we can produce, but 31.7% of our import bill is for food.
Our strategy is, therefore, clear. Cut the sweets of high office and use public money to build public corporations and cooperatives to expand production, employment, income and services.
Alternatively, your plan is to transform The Gambia into a middle income country where people earn on the average D20,000 by relying on private investment which have not come in sufficient quantity for over 30 years. Who then is engaged in wishful thinking and rhetoric?
You are running a trade deficit amounting to D2528 million for 1996 with imports amounting to D2737 million while exports stood at D209 million. The trade deficit for 1997 amounts to D1616 million with imports amounting to D1773 million while exports shrank to D157 million. Where is the basis for your talk about 1998 to be a year full of promises? Who is really engaged in rhetoric?
You talked about the need to increase the salaries of low income earners while you face a deficit of D527,506,011. We assert that there should be a cut down on expenditure, on foreign travels, sacrifice by the leadership in accepting lower incomes and less privileges so that we can eradicate the deficit. Who then is really engaged in rhetoric?
Mr Secretary of State, Gambians are now capable of critical thinking. They need leaders who are innovators, not those who are imitators. You would recall that until recently the whole world saw the Tiger States as a model for development for our brand of countries.
We relied on scientific analysis to indicate in our book entitled ANALYSIS OF THE INTERNATIONAL AND NATIONAL ECONOMIES published in 1992 that the economies of the so-called Tiger States were based on drug money, counterfeit, gambling and speculations in the currency markets; that sooner or later paper money will so exceed the production base of the economy that their money will become worthless.
In subsequent articles, we argued that the Tiger States were becoming "***** cats". We can give you all those articles which preceded the present crisis of the Tiger States to confirm that we have been proven correct. Leadership means foresight.
To conclude, allow me to say that it is universally recognised that the structural adjustment your government has faith in has been proven to be unworkable. Fresh thinking is needed. Critical thinkers are needed in this generation, which has no mercy for the unthinking. We need policy makers who are not indoctrinated by left or right dogmas, but are open minded, willing to debate issues and appreciate positions that are backed by irrefutable evidence!
History calls on all intellectuals in The Gambia to make it their duty to search for the truth and enlighten their people.
All political parties need to enter into a debate on the economy to enlighten the people. We had invited you to a debate on the economy. The invitation still stands.
One thing is very clear. It is a crime to mislead the people. History shall indict those who mislead the people. Time shall be the prosecutor. This is the verdict of history and it is irrevocable.
HALIFA SALLAH.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:22:59 EST From: TSaidy1050 <TSaidy1050@aol.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: conference Message-ID: <6f10a5a9.34cb9f25@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Gambia-l,
It is a good idea to have a leadership conference and I will encourage all who could go to attend. The maxim 'United we stand and divided we fall' almost manifested it self during the last ALD (African Liberation Day) in Washington DC. If I remember correctly, this is first of such conference and I think it is a good sign and should be well attended..
The unfortunate thing, I hate to predict this, the turnout for the conference would be very low and the Cultural Gala Night will be jam-packed. This used to be the case during the ALD symposia organised over the years. The ALD is fast approaching and if all Gambian organisations in the Greater DC area could unite, a lot of funds would be raised.
Latjor and the others keep up the good work and continue your endless efforts for the success of this conference. We would like to read the report of the out come.
PEACE
Tombong Saidy
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:00:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu Subject: Re: An alternative strategy for macro-economic development (A vision without a realistic foundation is a castle built in thin air) Message-ID: <199801252200.RAA05139@oak.ffr.mtu.edu>
My thanks to the Foroyaa team for forwarding this article to the list although I can not comment until I read it all.
keep up the good work down there!!
Malanding Jaiteh
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:19:30 +1200 From: Saikou B M Njai <sbn13@cad.canterbury.ac.nz> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: mail overload? Message-ID: <A9097C1D85@cad.canterbury.ac.nz>
Please send all my future mail to from the list to Fantamadi@hotmail.com. My present address for only personal mail
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:59:20 -0800 (PST) > From: latjor ndow <latjor@hotmail.com> > Subject: mail overload? > To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" > <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Reply-to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
> Greetings: > > I wish to share with the list a way to ease the burden of mails you may > be receiving from gambia-l and elsewhere into your private account. I > have found it quite useful these past two months to use the 'free mail' > services that are on the 'net' such as hotmail for mails from discussion > groups like this one. > This way my personal account with my ISP is not overwhelmed with mails. > Some gambia-lers are already doing this but most are not aware of it. > Due to the complaints I have received from members complaining of > receiving too many mails (often resulting in their unsubscribing from > the list), I think this could alleviate some of our woes. > Anyone with full access to the worldwide web can point their browser to: > http://www.hotmail.com and sign on. You do not have to provide them with > any information you do not wish to reveal (or you may just do what I do, > give them some bogus info. and then not sign on to anything else.). You > can then request from the list managers that all your mails be sent to > that address, thus freeing up your other account. You can read our mails > at your leisure and delete mails at your own convenience without having > some System Administrator breathing over your neck complaining that you > have too many mails (esp. for those of us who have access from a > college.) Bookmark the site for future convenience. > One note though. As we all know, ain't nothing free. The trade off is > that the company, (hotmail in this case) would be flashing ads at the > bottom of your screen. If you think that is not a big deal,(you get > thousands of these daily anyway) then go for it. This is just a > suggestion. > > LatJor > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > Saikou B M Njai Postgraduate Student Room E311 Department of Civil Engineering University of Canterbury P M B 4800 Christchurch,N Z
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:10:38 PST From: "sillah conateh" <sillahconateh@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri Message-ID: <19980126041040.29988.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain
Hi Awa Sey,
Selamat Hari raya to you. It is unfortunate that I don,t have any information as to when those countries will have their Laila tul Qadr. But for Malaysia, to your biggest surprise had theirs on the 17th night of the Ramadan which was on Jan 16. Malaysia always have their laila tul Qadr on the 17th night of the ramadan. I understood that The Gambia was to celebrate theirs yesterday Jan 25.
Regards,
Sillah. >From gambia-l-owner@u.washington.edu Sat Jan 24 17:32:30 1998 >Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) > by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP > id RAA20993; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:32:25 -0800 >Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.5]) > by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP > id RAA11114 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:32:13 -0800 >Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.175]) > by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP > id RAA07056 for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:32:09 -0800 >Message-Id: <4f3bba09.34ca95bb@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:30:33 EST >Reply-To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu >Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu >Precedence: bulk >From: BAKSAWA <BAKSAWA@AOL.COM> >To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > >Mr. Conateh: > >In a message dated 98-01-23 21:53:01 EST, you wrote: > ><< Hi Members, > ><Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri ( A Happy Aidul Fitri ) to all of you in ><advance. >> > > >Happy Eid to you as well. > >It is my understanding that Laila Tul Hadr (Kitim) is on Tuesday, 1/27/98 in >the Middle East. Does this mean it will be on Wednesday, 1/28/98, in the >U.S.A? Input/information on this subect will be highly appreciated from >anyone on the List. > >Wishing everyone a nice weekend. > >Awa Sey > > > >
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:25:21 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Email Update Message-ID: <9801260525.AA50956@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Balamusa wrote:
> yeah right. If you really think the packers are going to defeat the broncos, > you are dreaming buddy. The packers may be better than the broncos, but watch > them choke this weekend. Don't forget that the best doesn't always win. This > is the year for John Elway and the broncos and nothing is going to stop them > from becoming world champions. Peace and love to all you Gambia-lers! > Balamusa Ceesay!!!!!
Balamusa,
As I struggle to find words, I must simply say, disappointedly of course, GO BRONCOS! The Packers played like underdogs right after the first touch down. From then on, Broncos did excatly what you said they would do - "choke" the Packers. I have never seen them (the Packers) feel so unconfident and sloppy in both their offensive and defensive plays. In my tantalizing statements (just jiving of course), I could have simply added (or said), MAY THE BETTER TEAM WIN. Sure enough "old man" Elway did just that. I hope that Keretha Cash will not hesitate to join me in congratulating the Broncos for their (undeniably) great perfomance in what, In my opinion, is one their best performance this season.
Perhaps, this outcome will psyche Dan Marino and the Dolphins (BTW, that's the team I may be going with next season) to compete vigorously for the championship next year.
CONGRATULATIONS BRONCOS FOR BEATING ALL THE ODDS!!!!!!!!!!!
Regards, Moe S. Jallow
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:06:51 PST From: "sillah conateh" <sillahconateh@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Part 3 cont Message-ID: <19980126060653.8680.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain
Dear Father Mous,
I have been eagerly waiting for the conclusions of your most wonderful and objective analyses of the present situations in The Gambia. I must say you have done a wonderful and an enviable job. So thank you for a work well done. I agree with your analyses and do feel that the present regime will work all way out to ensure that the mistakes which characterised the former regime are not repeated. Abuse of human rights, endless corruption, abuse of authority, just to mention few should become things of the past. We therefore encourage those people who can relay these messages to His Excel. Mr. Jammeh to do so. A good leader is one who listens to the voices of his people and I believe that President Jammeh will become an enviable leader in Africa if he values these things. Then this will make The Gambia the pride of Africa.
So once again, bravo Mous and all those people who have contributed their ideas on this pertinent topic of the month. Mous on this note, I am glad to bestow this title to you " MAN OF THE MONTH OF JANUARY '98" for your wonderful, brilliant and mature handling of " IS IT A NEW GAMBIA "
Regards to all.
Sillah.
>From gambia-l-owner@u.washington.edu Sat Jan 24 00:04:51 1998 >Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) > by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP > id XAA27986; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:19:21 -0800 >Received: from mx3.u.washington.edu (mx3.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.230]) > by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP > id XAA51584 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:19:03 -0800 >Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.165]) > by mx3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP > id XAA14346 for <Gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:19:00 -0800 >Received: from JENGFANNEH@aol.com > by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id OTGVa21759 > for <Gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:18:33 -0500 (EST) >Message-Id: <a0b9f03a.34c995ca@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:18:33 EST >Reply-To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu >Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu >Precedence: bulk >From: JENGFANNEH@aol.com >To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> >Subject: Part 3 cont >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > >The system of governance needs to have these features: > > A. Create a justice system compleely independent and so powerful >that no individual or organization can control, influence or manipulate. By >virtue of its power and independence all rights of every citizen is protected, >especially minority opinions. > B. Revolutionized and developed a powerful media, completely >independent from government control. Media institution like TV stations, print >and radio should not in any way be another extended arm of the central >government. > > C. The system should allowed minority views, the Opposition should >not be viewed with resentment , social outcast or even becoming an impediment >to their career or survival. > >Finally, It is interesting to note that most poor under-developed countries do >not have the above features in their system of governance. For instance a >country like Nigeria do have quite a few infrastructural programs and are >still hoping that it would have a positve impact to their economic >development, but without a fair, honest and open system of governance, >generations of generations are going to face the realities of disappointments >upon disappointments. In the case of the Gambia, The New Leadership has >initiated different projects, an impressive modern Airport, A New TV station, >High Schools in the provinces, major Hospital in the provinces and other >series of programs which are all vital on the path to socio-economic >development. But unless the New Leadership takes a bold initiative and seek >for a political solution through having an unshakable, fair system of >governance, and there is going to be a tremendous amount of risk involve, all >these projects are going to be counter productive and would be eventually >destroyed. And our sons and daughters of the next generation would be in the >same dilemma we are in today. Mr. Jawara and his generation were never capable >of building a foundation of justice, honesty and liberty for all Gambians and >eventually they fell; therefore you take a risk a search for a political >solution because we definitely do not want to be another Sierra Leone, Rwanda >or even Nigeria for that matter. > >Guys, these two weeks visit to the Gambia was very interesting, and there is >definitely a New Gambia, but like I said with a twist. Thank you all your time > >Musa Jeng >
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:33:58 -0000 From: "janko.fofana@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Is it a new Gambia? Message-ID: <B0000042980@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sent by "Janko Fofana" <janko.fofana@commit.gm> via Commit
I would like to thank all those who contribute to this forum and would like to encourage everybody to share ideas on topics that are of national interest. It is important for us in the Gambia or outside to be kept informed of issues affecting our nation. It is always nice to hear something about your country especially if you live outside of it. I remember my student days in the US when I was on the List and always eager to browse through to see anything new about the Gambia. I am sure some of you are now like me eager all the time to get information about politics, economics or social development in the country.
Since I am now back, I want to put in a small contribution to the topic "Is it a new Gambia? Sincerely speaking there is a lot of development going on in the country since the military take over but does that warrant it to be called a "New Gambia"? In my view certainly not. Development is an ongoing process and some of what are being implemented today were plans already underway during the past regime. Don't get me wrong. I give the credit to the present government for implementing long overdue projects like the TV, The North Bank Road (Barra - Kerewan with a bridge at Kerewan under construction) etc but evidently much was also done after independence in 1965. It will be unfair to completely ignore what has been accomplished, small as it look to some people. We just need to push things at a quicker pace as is being done at the moment. Again I want to say that the present government is doing a lot of good work but I strongly believe we need to revisit some of the priority areas (if they are priorities for the government). Think of all the schools built since the 1994 take over - primary, junior and secondary schools in amost every corner in the country. Do we have furniture and teachers for these schools? It might not be a bad idea to improve some of the schools - better teachers, furniture and much needed text books - and have few additional high schools rather than giving every village a primary school. Of course education is important but what is more important is what you get from your investment in education. Are we getting our children better educated or just providing schools for them where the quality of their education can be compromised? What are we doing to help our school dropouts and those who graduate without any job opportunity? More skills centers and needed, though it can be argued government is thinking along those lines but it is my opinion more needs to be done. I am happy about the idea of the members to contribute through the educational assistance to needy students as being discussed.
Finally, I believe the General Hospital in Farafenni, the new Airport Terminal, improvement in road network in the rural areas are but few of the achievement of the present regime that they should be given some credit for. However, we need to think of making good use of these facilities and make them sustainable. A lot of money was invested in these projects and government should ensure that they don't lie idle. More development projects are being discussed as revealed during the President's meet the people's tour last November and it appears the government has already secured funding for most of the projects. I will keep you posted on some developments as they unfold.
Also remember that our financial year is now from January to December and a lot of things are being adjusted to match the calendar year. So I believe we have to continue with our efforts and don't think that it is a new Gambia. The key here is sustainability! Development is an ongoing process and we still have a long way to go. It is a collective responsibilty and we all have a role to play whether at home or abroad but better to be here to paddle the canoe with us. Your role there is also important as most if not all of you are on a mission there. Good luck to all of you and welcome onboard when the mission is accomplished.
So much for now. Sorry for giving you so much to read but I hope it is a small contribution.
Janko Fofana
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:13:23 GMT+1 From: "Heidi Skramstad" <heidis@amadeus.cmi.no> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: sutura and other wolof words Message-ID: <13A02D5E2602@amadeus.cmi.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hello, I am wondering if anybody can help translating or explaining some, for me, "difficult" Wolof words, namely sutura, teranga and ruus. (Do they have Mandinka counterparts?)
Sutura: Depending on context, the word has been explained to me as secrecy, privacy, cover and a kind of respect.
In a "jebale" (transfer of the bride) the bride was given the advice that "Nanga am sutura ni sa muruai bi amee sutura" (You should have sutura as your "cover" has "sutura")
In another context a woman praised living in Bakau and said "Bakau moi suma sutura" (Bakau is my "sutura")
Can somebody explain a bit more what this implies?
Teranga is the other "difficult" word, which I interprete first and formost as hospitality or as treat. In some contexts it is almost generousity, in others it is translated as respect. Receptions (like when people come from Mekka) are referred to as "teranga". So it may be both a kind of occasion, something one can give or show "meie/woon teranga", or be a quality of a person, a country etc. ("Senegal reo teranga la" - according to Ismaila Lo, I believe that applies to the Gambia as well!) ???
The third is "ruus". I have been taught that "Gumbe du ruus" because, as "Ruus" is in the eyes. What exactly does it mean? Is it shyness or shame? When people say that they avoid to see somebody because: "damma ko ruus" I have interpreted that as they are shy (because they respect or fear? somebody??). But I believe ruus in some contexs means shame "warr nga ruus!" (You should feel ashamed?)
Respect seems to be a main topic, frequently related to all these other words. In Norway a person who "has respect" is a respected person, in Gambia a person who "has respect" is somebody who is respectful, gives respect. While "horomo" in Mandinka, as far as I have understood is respect, there is no single Wolof word which can be directly translated to respect (?). But so many words are translated to "respect" like "mingi mei ma teranga, woonul ma xammadi" was translated to me: "he gave me respect, never showed me disrespect". And somebody who "nyaka faida" or "nyaka joom" are respectless (??).
I am wondering if "respect" in English or in Norwegian is used in a different way here than in the Gambia? At least it is probably less explicit in the upbringing/training of children. When I asked what was the most important thing newly circumcised children were taught, almost everybody said respect, to respect other people and oneself, and especially elders. Also when I asked somebody what they were taught at the daara, they said that apart from pray, read the Koran and make ablution, they learnt to respect other people.
I hope some of you will have time to share your thoughts on the subject, in spite of the busy time schedules everybody seems to have.
Thanks.
Heidi Skramstad
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:35:34 -0500 From: habib <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Dumping on the developing world (fw) Message-ID: <34CCAD46.2F0A@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Modou Jallow wrote: > > The silent war on harzadous dumping of waste material: Is it a war we can > win? I would like to hope so. > > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow > > ************************************************************************** > > Environmental Research Foundation > > P.O. Box 5036, Annapolis, MD 21403 > > Fax (410) 263-8944; Internet: erf@igc.apc.org > > ========== > > The Back issues and Index are available here. > > The official RACHEL archive is here. It's updated constantly. > > To subscribe, send E-mail to rachel- weekly- request@world.std.com > > with the single word SUBSCRIBE in the message. It's free. > ************************************************************************** > > > > DUMPING ON THE DEVELOPING WORLD. > > > > American industry is desperately seeking places to dump > > hazardous waste and household garbage. A reporter for the > > CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR'S bureau in Sydney, > > Australia, phoned recently to inquire what we knew about the > > toxicity of leachate from municipal dumps. (We faxed him > > RHWN #90, "Leachate from Municipal Dumps has Same > > Toxicity as Leachate from Hazardous Waste Dumps."). He > > was investigating a promoter named Dan Fleming, who is angling > > to sign a contract with natives of the Marshall Islands, where Mr. > > Fleming hopes to dump 10% of all the household garbage > > produced on the U.S. West Coast. Mr. Fleming says his scheme > > will "create new land" in the Marshalls. Mr. Fleming says if the > > Marshalls don't increase their altitude by heaping on the garbage, > > they'll disappear beneath the sea, victims of the greenhouse > > effect. > > > > The last time the U.S. undertook largescale experiments in the > > Marshalls, it had ill effects on the land: we tested the H-bomb on > > Bikini atoll, which promptly disappeared, leaving behind a legacy > > of cancer and misery that the Marshall Islanders (and many > > unsuspecting U.S. Navy men) are still enduring. So far as we > > know, the only environmental group tracking this latest scam is > > Greenpeace; they wrote about it in GREENPEACE MAGAZINE > > March/April, 1989, pg. 5. The magazine is yours six times a > > year for a donation of $20 to Greenpeace, 1436 U Street, > > NW, Washington, DC 20009. > > > > As the price of hazardous waste disposal in the "civilized world" > > is approaching $2500 per ton in some areas, a new "profession" > > has emerged: international "waste merchants," who arrange to > > dump the stuff in third world countries. In the last two years, > > Africa has emerged as the favored target. Consider these facts: > > In March, 1988, a Norwegian ship dumped 15,000 tons of > > material labeled "raw material for bricks" in a quarry on Kassa > > Island, off the mainland capital of Conakry, Guinea. Guinea is a > > small west-African country bordered by Sierra Leone, Liberia > > and Mali. In June, Guinea newspapers reported that vegetation > > on the island was drying up and dying. Investigations revealed > > that the "raw material for bricks" was toxic incinerator ash from > > Philadelphia's now-infamous garbage burners. Norway's Honorary > > Consul, Mr. Sigmund Stromme, was arrested and charged with > > forging documents in order to bring in the shipment; Mr. Stromme > > turned out to be a principal in Guinomar, the company that had a > > contract to bring in a total of 85,000 tons of Philadelphia's ash. By > > July the original shipment had been removed from Kassa. > > > > On February 9, 1989, Guinea-Bissau, a west-African neighbor of > > Guinea, signed a five-year contract with two British companies to > > receive 15 million tons of tanning and pharmaceutical wastes for a > > payment of $600 million ($40 per ton). The wastes would come > > from U.S. and European firms. (This contract has since been > > canceled due to unfavorable publicity.) > > > > An undetermined quantity of hazardous wastes from U.S. military > > agencies was dumped in a phosphate mine pit in Zimbabwe > > in southern Africa. The U.S. exporters responsible, Jack and > > Charles Colbert, were sentenced in February, 1988, to 13 years' > > imprisonment for fraudulent business practices. > > > > WEST AFRICA HOTLINE, a newsletter, reports that President > > Bongo of Gabon (bordering Cameroon and the Congo) met > > with representatives of the Denis Mining Company in 1987 and > > agreed to take radioactive mine wastes from Colorado uranium > > mines. > > > > A report in ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, > > a journal of the American Chemical Society, quotes Greenpeace > > saying a Dutch shipping company signed a contract with the > > government of the Congo (bordering Zaire and Cameroon) to deliver > > a million tons of solvent, paint, pesticide sludge, and chemical wastes > > from the U.S. and Europe between June, 1988, and May, 1989, for > > a fee of $84 million ($84 per ton). Bad publicity subsequently queered > > this deal too. > > > > President Kerekou of Benin, a tiny country sandwiched between > > Nigeria and Togo, signed a contract in January, 1988, with a Gibralter > > firm, Sesco, Ltd, agreeing that Benin will take up to five million tons > > per year of non-nuclear industrial wastes from North America and > > Europe. The price? Two dollars and fifty cents per ton. > > > > Nigeria has taken the lead in denouncing waste dumping in Africa. > > At the Organization of African Unity (OAU) summit in May, > > 1988, President Babangida of Nigeria said "No government, no > > matter the financial inducement, has the right to mortgage the > > destiny of future generations of African children." > > > > Ironically, within a week of President Babangida's speech, eight > > Nigerian students living in Italy, reacting to reports in Italian > > newspapers, alerted the Nigerian government to a scheme > > involving collusion between Nigerian and Italian businessmen. > > The men had shipped 3800 tons of hazardous wastes and stored > > them in Koko, Nigeria. The chief Italian suspect escaped from > > Nigeria June 2, but 15 Nigerians are awaiting trial. The > > newspapers in Nigeria June 14 carried headlines, "Culprits may > > face firing squad," and "Death penalty likely." > > > > African journalist Arti Vir, writing in ENVIRONMENTAL > > SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (Vol. 23, March, 1989, pgs. > > 23-25) summed it up: > > > > "...the demands by Nigeria and Guinea that foreign governments > > remove illegally dumped hazardous materials from their > > territories are warnings to industrial nations to keep waste > > away from African shores." NIGERIA'S FIRING SQUADS > > WILL PERHAPS CONVINCE WOULD-BE WASTE > > MERCHANTS THAT AFRICA IS SERIOUS ABOUT > > PROTECTING ITSELF FROM PREDATORY BUSINESSMEN. > > > > We have just scratched the surface here. This problem is > > broad and deep and getting worse. However, there's a bright side: > > the toxics campaigners in Greenpeace, led by Dave Rapoport, > > are on this case in a major way. In January, 1989, Jim Vallette > > published the fourth edition of his INTERNATIONAL > > TRADE IN WASTES: A GREENPEACE INVENTORY > > (144 pages of horror stories from all parts of the globe). > > The INVENTORY, which is available in English, German, > > French and Spanish editions, also contains policy statements > > by various governments. In general, the "civilized" nations > > want to "control" and "manage" the import and export of > > toxics wastes to the developing world. For their part, the > > developing nations, particularly those in Africa, favor a > > total ban on the international waste trade. Togo's environment > > minister, Yao Komlavi, sums up this view, saying, "If Africa > > is not going to import toxic waste, what control do we need > > on such imports?" Greenpeace is publishing a newsletter > > called GREENPEACE WASTE TRADE UPDATE. With > > the Natural Resources Defense Council, Greenpeace > > has joined organizations in Malaysia and Kenya founding > > Itwan, the International Toxic Waste Action Network, > > working closely with the United Nations, pressing for > > passage of the U.N.'s "global Convention on the > > Transboundary Movement of Hazardous Wastes. > > "Once again, hats off to the toxics campaigners at > > Greenpeace! Contact them at 1436 U Street, Nw, > > Washington, Dc 207009; phone (202) 462-1177.." > > --Peter Montague, Ph.D.
Moe Dumping harzardous waste almost happened in the Gambia in 1983 near Gungur. The same group that wanted to have our coins minted were involved. I knew of it ( through a close friend of mine here in Washington DC) and when the group visited Banjul to finalize the three million dollar deal, I interviened by writing an letter to the authorities in both local government and external affairs expressing my concerns. The plan was to bury the liqiud waste (suspected to be potentially dangerous if exposed in the atmosphere) in the ground at least three hundred feet deep near kartong or Gungur and the Gambia would be paid a hefty amount of money each year. Fortunately it did not happen (as far as I know ) and they moved to Guinea Bissau who were negotiating and needed the money badly. Only Allah knows what happened afterwards. These kinds of hazardous wastes do not surface until the drums start leaking from rusting several years later. I am glad some is looking out for our interest Happy Eid (Koriteh) in advance Habib Diab Ghanim -- MZ
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:46:06 -0600 From: Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: Email Update Message-ID: <81F3CC6EBB6FD011917800805FC17836988F1A@panthers.rbvdnr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain
(Chuckle! Chuckle!) All during the game (especially the 2nd quarter on) I knew I would have to eat "crow" on this one. And to tell you the truth, I am really a North Carolina Panthers supporters but hey, I live in Wisconsin and you must admit the Packers gave Denver a run for their money -- it was tied most of the game!!!
In all honesty, I graciously congratulate the Broncos for their win! I am happy for Elway! His team definitely stood up for him. However, if the Packer defense hadn't had almost 100 pounds on the Broncos in 67 degree weather (they are from the "Frozen Tundra" you know), it probably would have been a different story. And I am very happy no one was injured this time.
Oh well, I totally felt it was a good game, very emotional and that otherwise -- minus a couple of exceptions -- it boiled down to a battle of wits between the coaches.
Congratulations Broncos and Bronco Fans! PANTHERS AND PACKERS, there's always next year!
Now, on to basketball!!!
PEACE! Keretha > ---------- > From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu[SMTP:mjallow@st6000.sct.edu] > Reply To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 1998 11:25 PM > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Subject: Re: Email Update > > Balamusa wrote: > > > yeah right. If you really think the packers are going to defeat the > broncos, > > you are dreaming buddy. The packers may be better than the broncos, > but watch > > them choke this weekend. Don't forget that the best doesn't always > win. This > > is the year for John Elway and the broncos and nothing is going to > stop them > > from becoming world champions. Peace and love to all you > Gambia-lers! > > Balamusa Ceesay!!!!! > > Balamusa, > > As I struggle to find words, I must simply say, disappointedly of > course, > GO BRONCOS! The Packers played like underdogs right after the first > touch > down. From then on, Broncos did excatly what you said they would do - > "choke" the Packers. I have never seen them (the Packers) feel so > unconfident and sloppy in both their offensive and defensive plays. In > my > tantalizing statements (just jiving of course), I could have simply > added > (or said), MAY THE BETTER TEAM WIN. Sure enough "old man" Elway did > justthat. I hope that Keretha Cash will not hesitate to join me in > congratulating the Broncos for their (undeniably) great perfomance in > what, In my opinion, is one their best performance this season. > > Perhaps, this outcome will psyche Dan Marino and the Dolphins (BTW, > that's the team I may be going with next season) to compete vigorously > for the championship next year. > > CONGRATULATIONS BRONCOS FOR BEATING ALL THE ODDS!!!!!!!!!!! > > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow > > ====================================================================== > = > mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - >
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:06:59 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Dumping on the developing world (fwd) Message-ID: <9801261607.AA53798@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Habib Ghanim, you wrote:
> Moe > Dumping harzardous waste almost happened in the Gambia in 1983 near > Gungur. The same group that wanted to have our coins minted were > involved. I knew of it ( through a close friend of mine here in > Washington DC) and when the group visited Banjul to finalize the three > million dollar deal, I interviened by writing an letter to the > authorities in both local government and external affairs expressing my > concerns. The plan was to bury the liqiud waste (suspected to be > potentially dangerous if exposed in the atmosphere) in the ground at > least three hundred feet deep near kartong or Gungur and the Gambia > would be paid a hefty amount of money each year. > Fortunately it did not happen (as far as I know ) and they moved to > Guinea Bissau who were negotiating and needed the money badly. Only > Allah knows what happened afterwards. > These kinds of hazardous wastes do not surface until the drums start > leaking from rusting several years later. > I am glad some is looking out for our interest > Happy Eid (Koriteh) in advance > Habib Diab Ghanim
Brother habib,
It's indeed a pleasure to hear from you again, and thank you for the information above. Now that we are closer to the end of Ramadhan, I hope that you will be active on the list again.
Happy Eid to you and the family.
Regards, Moe S. Jallow
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:23:54 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re : Joke (again) Message-ID: <9801261623.AA33660@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Mr. Jawara, I'd seen this before. Though it may sound funny, I detected a bit of sarcasm and disrespect in the Author's creativity. However, that's just a personal opinion which may not even count. I wonder, though, how my son's God-mother (and many of the good white people on this list) would perceive this?
Regards, Moe S. Jallow
> > > > > A Poem Written by an African Shakespeare > > > > > > Dear white fella > > > Couple things you should know > > > When I born, I black > > > When I grow up, I black > > > When I go in sun, I black > > > When I cold, I black > > > When I scared, I black > > > When I sick, I black > > > And when I die, I still black. > > > > > > You white fella > > > When you born, you pink > > > When you grow up, you white > > > When you go in sun, you red > > > When you cold, you blue > > > When you scared, you yellow > > > When you sick, you green > > > And when you die, you grey. > > > And you have the cheek to call me colored????? > > > >
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:38:01 -0600 From: Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: Re : Joke (again) Message-ID: <81F3CC6EBB6FD011917800805FC17836988F1B@panthers.rbvdnr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain
Maybe there is a little sarcasm involved; however, living tends to make one a tad critical in perspective and if the shoe fits.....?
Peace and keep the lines of communication flowing.
Keretha
> ---------- > From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu[SMTP:mjallow@st6000.sct.edu] > Reply To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, January 26, 1998 10:23 AM > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Subject: Re : Joke (again) > > > Mr. Jawara, > > I'd seen this before. Though it may sound funny, I detected a bit of > sarcasm and disrespect in the Author's creativity. However, that's > just a > personal opinion which may not even count. I wonder, though, how my > son's God-mother (and many of the good white people on this list) > would perceive > this? > > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow > > > > > > > > > A Poem Written by an African Shakespeare > > > > > > > > Dear white fella > > > > Couple things you should know > > > > When I born, I black > > > > When I grow up, I black > > > > When I go in sun, I black > > > > When I cold, I black > > > > When I scared, I black > > > > When I sick, I black > > > > And when I die, I still black. > > > > > > > > You white fella > > > > When you born, you pink > > > > When you grow up, you white > > > > When you go in sun, you red > > > > When you cold, you blue > > > > When you scared, you yellow > > > > When you sick, you green > > > > And when you die, you grey. > > > > And you have the cheek to call me colored????? > > > > > > > > >
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:36:13 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Is it a new Gambia Message-ID: <9801261636.AA47706@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Mr. Jeng,
I have finally finished reading your report. Thank you again for that useful analysis of the situation back home. This should give those in the diaspora (including myself) all the more reason to go home and survey the situtation before deciding to finally go home for good. I think it is very easy to pack a family, buy a one way ticket and board AIR AFRIQUE, but it would be wiser to survey the situation firsthand jus like you did, which is also what I hope and plan to do sometime in the near future.
BTW, any report on the business sector?
Thanks again.
Regards, Moe S. Jallow ========================================================================== mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:13:39 GMT+1 From: "Heidi Skramstad" <heidis@amadeus.cmi.no> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: RE: Re : Joke (again) Message-ID: <13A22EB4629C@amadeus.cmi.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Moe and others,
> > personal opinion which may not even count. I wonder, though, how my > > son's God-mother (and many of the good white people on this list) > > would perceive > > this?
As a "toubab" who have seen my self in the mirror under varying circumstances, I think the poem was just to the point. Very funny! I think nobody should take him/herself too seriously, then there would have been no fun left!
Heidi Skramstad
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:18:02 -0500 From: habib <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri Message-ID: <34CCC54A.ECD@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
sillah conateh wrote: > > Hi Members, > > Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri ( A Happy Aidul Fitri ) to all of you in > advance. May it bring for us all the best of luck. Anyone who wants to > learn this language, please come to Malaysia. > > Sillah Conateh. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Mr Sillah I am interested in coming to Malaysia. please contact me on my private email (not Gambia-l)Thanks Habib diab Ghanim -- MZ
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:21:39 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Re : Joke (again) Message-ID: <9801261721.AA46154@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Keretha Cash, you wrote:
> Maybe there is a little sarcasm involved; however, living tends to make > one a tad critical in perspective and if the shoe fits.....? > > Peace and keep the lines of communication flowing. > > Keretha
I hear you and thank you very much. Now, how about some REAL Cash for me? :-)))))))))).
Regards, Moe S. Jallow
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:26:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh) Subject: Re: sutura and other wolof words Message-ID: <199801261726.MAA15022@aspen.ffr.mtu.edu> Content-Type: text
Heidi, with your permission I would like to add another Mandinka word to your list that is "Buu-nyaa" used to mean very much like "horomo" as in "Ayaa Horoma aning ayaa Buu-nyaa". Note horomo when used in this sense becomes "Horoma". I think I can safely say that "sutura" in mandingka is "suturo". as in "Mo nyang ta suturo sotolaleh". perhaps very much teh same as "sutura" in wollof. Please don't ask me who gets it from who?
it is interesting that a few days ago a Senegalese colleague gave me "sutura" as one of the many attributes of what can be truely African. this was at a time when he was explaining Negritude- a term coined by Former Senegalese President Leopold Sedat Senghore.
I think I will leave the challenge of elaborating on the meanings of these words to experts before a give in my few bututs.
Bass would say: keep up the good work down there.
Malanding Jaiteh
> > Hello, > I am wondering if anybody can help translating or explaining some, for me, "difficult" > Wolof words, namely sutura, teranga and ruus. (Do they have Mandinka > counterparts?) > > Sutura: > Depending on context, the word has been explained to me as secrecy, > privacy, cover and a kind of respect. > > In a "jebale" (transfer of the bride) the bride was given the advice > that "Nanga am sutura ni sa muruai bi amee sutura" (You should have sutura > as your "cover" has "sutura") > > In another context a woman praised living in Bakau and said "Bakau > moi suma sutura" (Bakau is my "sutura") > > Can somebody explain a bit more what this implies? > > Teranga is the other "difficult" word, which I interprete first and > formost as hospitality or as treat. In some contexts it is almost > generousity, in others it is translated as respect. Receptions (like > when people come from Mekka) are referred to as "teranga". > So it may be both a kind of occasion, something one can give or show > "meie/woon teranga", or be a quality of a person, a country etc. > ("Senegal reo teranga la" - according to Ismaila Lo, I believe that > applies to the Gambia as well!) ??? > > The third is "ruus". I have been taught that "Gumbe du ruus" because, > as "Ruus" is in the eyes. What exactly does it mean? > Is it shyness or shame? When people say that they avoid to see > somebody because: "damma ko ruus" I have interpreted that as they > are shy (because they respect or fear? somebody??). But I believe > ruus in some contexs means shame "warr nga ruus!" (You should > feel ashamed?) > > Respect seems to be a main topic, frequently related to all these > other words. In Norway a person who "has respect" is a respected > person, in Gambia a person who "has respect" is somebody who is > respectful, gives respect. While "horomo" in Mandinka, as far as I > have understood is respect, there is no single Wolof word which can > be directly translated to respect (?). But so many words are translated > to "respect" like "mingi mei ma teranga, woonul ma xammadi" was > translated to me: "he gave me respect, never showed me disrespect". > And somebody who "nyaka faida" or "nyaka joom" are respectless (??). > > I am wondering if "respect" in English or in Norwegian is used in a > different way here than in the Gambia? At least it is probably less > explicit in the upbringing/training of children. When I asked what > was the most important thing newly circumcised children were taught, almost > everybody said respect, to respect other people and oneself, and > especially elders. Also when I asked somebody what they were taught > at the daara, they said that apart from pray, read the Koran and > make ablution, they learnt to respect other people. > > I hope some of you will have time to share your thoughts on the > subject, in spite of the busy time schedules everybody seems to have. > > Thanks. > > Heidi Skramstad > > > > >
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:30:03 -0500 From: habib <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: New address and members Message-ID: <34CCC81B.644A@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Anthony Loum wrote: > > Hi Everybody, > > I will now be receiving Gambia-l postings in this new address. It is as > follows: sambabalangarr@classic.msn.com > I am still maintaining my regular UW address ( tloum@u.washington.edu ) just > for list management functions. Private emails can now be directed to the new > address. > On another note, Dagma Christensen and Rolf Christensen have been added to > the list. We welcome them and will be looking forward to their introductions > and contributions. > > Thanks > Tony Loum Dagma welcome to the Gambia-l . How was the anniversary of our late Aunty Diana Christensen? I remember the last summer holidays we spent together here in Maryland . Time really flies( Tempus fugit). My regards to the rest of your family and Lamin. Happy Eid. Habib -- MZ
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:30:15 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Re : Joke (again) Message-ID: <9801261730.AA24482@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Heidi Skramstad, you wrote:
> Moe and others, > > > > personal opinion which may not even count. I wonder, though, how my > > > son's God-mother (and many of the good white people on this list) > > > would perceive > > > this? > > As a "toubab" who have seen my self in the mirror under varying > circumstances, I think the poem was just to the point. Very > funny! I think nobody should take him/herself too seriously, then > there would have been no fun left! > > Heidi Skramstad
Thank you Heidi. Like I said, since I didn't see any white people comment as to the funniness of the poem, I was only wondering how funny they (whites) might perceive it. Thanks for the input, and funny it really is.
You've been absolutely quiet, ain't you? welcome back!
Regards, Moe S. Jallow
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:34:37 -0500 From: habib <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Part 3 cont Message-ID: <34CCC92D.3E85@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Bassirou Dodou Drammeh wrote: > > Mr.Jeng! > We are thankful that your wife eventually allowed you to > finish your run down of your visit to the Gambia.The report you have just > given is both fair and broadminded;so, thank you so much for your time and > Keep Up The Good Work Down There! > > Regards > Bassss! > -----Original Message----- > From: JENGFANNEH@aol.com <JENGFANNEH@aol.com> > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 4:13 PM > Subject: Part 3 cont > > >The system of governance needs to have these features: > > > > A. Create a justice system compleely independent and so powerful > >that no individual or organization can control, influence or manipulate. By > >virtue of its power and independence all rights of every citizen is > protected, > >especially minority opinions. > > B. Revolutionized and developed a powerful media, completely > >independent from government control. Media institution like TV stations, > print > >and radio should not in any way be another extended arm of the central > >government. > > > > C. The system should allowed minority views, the Opposition should > >not be viewed with resentment , social outcast or even becoming an > impediment > >to their career or survival. > >
I agree and hope that the new leadership will take some of these views constructively and try to impliment them through parliamentary proceedures. Good job Mr Jeng Maybe you should moonlight for CNN if they do not have a local correspondent Habib Diab Ghanim -- MZ
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:43:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh) Subject: Re: sutura and other wolof words Message-ID: <199801261743.MAA15030@aspen.ffr.mtu.edu> Content-Type: text
I forgot to include in the meaning of the mandingka word and phrase I wrote in my response to Heidi."Buu-nyaa" may mean giving respect through some physical act i.e. offer your service to someone free because of their social standing, be it age or condition. Leaving your bus seat for an adult, lady or handicap are all to my understanding some form of Buu-nyaa. Also one may buu-nyaa someone verbally i.e calling older people (similar age group with your parents Paa or Mba); or Koto to big brothers or sisters. You buu-nyaa a bride or important guest by slautering an animal(from chicken to a bull). in this case its very much like teranga.
malanding Jaiteh
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:46:57 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: New members Message-ID: <9801261746.AA25410@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
ELLA23K , you wrote:
> > Moe I finished in 1978, and did all my high school years there. When did you > attend? Where do you live now? >
I hope you received my private response. If not, please send a private a message with your correct address.
Thank you.
Regards, Moe S. Jallow
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:53:21 -0500 From: habib <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Is it a New Gambia Message-ID: <34CCCD91.5031@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
TSaidy1050@aol.com wrote: > > Father Mose, > > I want to commend you for your candid analysis of the situation in The Gambia > as you see it. I am not surprised, however, for your honesty and the fair > analysis of the current socio-economic and political situation in the country. > Thank you, I think you have done a big service to the entire list and to all > Gambians in general. Tell your wife not to worry about the computer as a > 'wujjah', the computer can never replace the human touch. > > Anyway I agree with most of your analysis, and the present Government share > most of your views too. And your comments will help in spurring more debates > on good governance with the leadership. The Gambia, like most developing > countries, is in the teething stage or the first evolutionary stage of > democracy. So there will be some hitches are and there. Some of us have been > privileged to live a countries where the tenets of democracy (such as freedom > of speech, the press, human rights etc.) is a given and this helps our > tolerance and analytical skills. The leadership is trying its best to > cultivate that culture of genuine democracy. > > Democracy is more than just having a well-written constitution or having > multi-party elections. Democracy is not acquired overnight. It is acquired > over a period of time after some battle with previous political cultures, > whatever they may be. Being in the Mids of things, I can honestly assure > those who wish to listen that we have a bright future in The Gambia, and we > are in the right path. > > With the positive contribution of all concerned, be they Gambians or not, we > will reach that satisfactory level of democracy at a much shorter time than > usual. > > Once again, thank you Mose, and this is a good beginning for 1998. > > PEACE > > Tombong Saidy
Tombong It is nice to hear from you always and keeping in touch with the community is what made the difference between you and the past and present Embassy staff. Whatever the differences are or have been when you always have a healthy dialogue which becomes contageous to a friendlier atmosphere. With that: >From my family, Please wish the Gambian population and friends A Happy Koriteh (Eid al Fitr) and as the saying goes "Yallah nan fekeh Dawen" ( may we meet next Ramadan year again) Inshallah. Ameen. Plans for the Eid here is set for Thursday (29 th Jan 1998) in our local community mosque-MCC Silver Spring. And Happy Independence Day in Advance Kepp us updated on this year's events Habib Diab Ghanim -- MZ
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:56:27 -0600 From: Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: Re : Joke (again) Message-ID: <81F3CC6EBB6FD011917800805FC17836988F1F@panthers.rbvdnr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain
MAYBE IN THE NEXT LIFETIME BUT TIL THEN MAY WE ALL LIVE LONG AND PROSPER!:)
> ---------- > From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu[SMTP:mjallow@st6000.sct.edu] > Reply To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, January 26, 1998 11:21 AM > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Subject: Re: Re : Joke (again) > > Keretha Cash, you wrote: > > > Maybe there is a little sarcasm involved; however, living tends to > make > > one a tad critical in perspective and if the shoe fits.....? > > > > Peace and keep the lines of communication flowing. > > > > Keretha > > I hear you and thank you very much. Now, how about > some REAL Cash for me? :-)))))))))). > > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow >
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:59:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh) Subject: Re: Email Update Message-ID: <199801261759.MAA15040@aspen.ffr.mtu.edu> Content-Type: text
> > In all honesty, I graciously congratulate the Broncos for their win! I > am happy for Elway! His team definitely stood up for him. However, if > the Packer defense hadn't had almost 100 pounds on the Broncos in 67 > degree weather (they are from the "Frozen Tundra" you know), it probably > would have been a different story. And I am very happy no one was > injured this time. > > Oh well, I totally felt it was a good game, very emotional and that > otherwise -- minus a couple of exceptions -- it boiled down to a battle > of wits between the coaches. > > Congratulations Broncos and Bronco Fans! > PANTHERS AND PACKERS, there's always next year! > > Now, on to basketball!!! > > PEACE! Keretha Hold it Keratha!! Are you saying that we am living at the North Pole? Well we live some 200 miles north of Green Bay (a Packer Country). I must admit we are really speechless over here. As you rightly said Packers could have performed better if the temp were 30 degree F some 10 deg above our January highs.
Malanding
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:05:14 -0500 From: habib <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri Message-ID: <34CCD05A.3201@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
BAKSAWA wrote: > > Mr. Conateh: > > In a message dated 98-01-23 21:53:01 EST, you wrote: > > << Hi Members, > > <Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Fitri ( A Happy Aidul Fitri ) to all of you in > <advance. >> > > Happy Eid to you as well. > > It is my understanding that Laila Tul Hadr (Kitim) is on Tuesday, 1/27/98 in > the Middle East. Does this mean it will be on Wednesday, 1/28/98, in the > U.S.A? Input/information on this subect will be highly appreciated from > anyone on the List. > > Wishing everyone a nice weekend. > > Awa Sey
Awa Almost all of the USA observed the night of Qadr on the 25 Jan 1998, which means we will also celebrate Eid on Thursday the 29 th 1998. Inshallah As you know lailatul Qadr falls on any of the odd numbered nights during the last ten days of the holy month of Ramadan, so it depends on the worshipers of the community involved to select one day -It is always preferable to choose the 27 th night as depicted in the traditions of the Sahabah. Peace be unto you and may Allah accept our fasting and forgive us. Amin Habib Diab Ghanim -- MZ
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:02:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Remote sensing opportunity (fwd) Message-ID: <199801261802.NAA15052@aspen.ffr.mtu.edu> Content-Type: text
Some might want to know about this. Good luck
malanding
Forwarded message: > From owner-forgrad-l-outgoing@mtu.edu Mon Jan 26 08:44:01 1998 > X-Received: MTU Resend v1.3 for forgrad-l > X-Authentication-Warning: hemlock.ffr.mtu.edu: Host ffrpc110.ffr [141.219.149.110] claimed to be ffrpc110.ffr.mtu.edu > Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980126084658.0077fe48@141.219.149.237> > X-Sender: gdmroz@141.219.149.237 > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:46:58 -0500 > To: forgrad-l@mtu.edu > From: "Glenn D. Mroz" <gdmroz@mtu.edu> > Subject: Remote sensing opportunity > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Precedence: list > > > >>>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:22:28 -0500 > >>>From: Georgia Flanagan <georgia@when.gsfc.nasa.gov> > >>>To: amarchan@cs.gmu.edu > >>>Subject: HPCP Announcement > >>> > >>>The NASA Goddard Space Flight Center's Earth and Space > >>>Data Computing Division (ESDCD) and the Universities > >>>Space Research Association are soliciting applications > >>>from > >>>qualified graduate students to participate in an > >>>intensive lecture series in computational physics > >>>during the three-week period July 13-31, 1998. The > >>>ESDCD provides comprehensive research and development > >>>support in data handling and computing for NASA Earth > >>>and space science research programs. Resident > >>>facilities include a 512-processor CRAY T3E, a CRAY J90 > >>>cluster composed of three 32-processor systems, and a > >>>MasPar MP-2/MP-1 cluster. This program stems from > >>>ongoing activities that reflect NASA's desire to help > >>>train the next generation of physicists in the > >>>development of computational techniques and algorithms > >>>for scalable parallel computers in support of the > >>>Federal High Performance Computing Communications > >>>Program. > >>> > >>>Approximately 15 students will be selected to > >>>participate in the three-week program. Students will be > >>>given hands-on computer training and small group > >>>interaction experience. > >>>Experienced computational scientists will present a > >>>series of lectures on advanced topics in computational > >>>physics, with emphasis on computational fluid dynamics > >>>and particle > >>>methods. Cray Research will present lectures on > >>>developing software for their massively parallel > >>>architectures. Both the CRAY T3E and the MasPar > >>>MP-2/MP-1 cluster will be > >>>available for use by the students. At the end of the > >>>program, students will be required to present a > >>>15-minute summary of what they learned and how it > >>>relates to their respective fields > >>>of study. > >>> > >>>The program aims to attract Ph.D. students in the Earth > >>>and space science disciplines whose present or future > >>>research requires large-scale numerical modeling on > >>>massively parallel architectures. Eligibility is > >>>normally limited to those Earth and space science > >>>students who are enrolled in U.S. universities and who > >>>have passed their Ph.D. qualifying exams. 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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:09:47 -0500 From: habib <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Joke Message-ID: <34CCD16B.B9@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
BAKSAWA wrote: > > Sillah: > > In a message dated 98-01-23 23:32:39 EST, you wrote: > > << One day he lost a dear relative. As usual, a delegation of of the House > >of Parliament was at his house to attend the burial and to extend their > >condolences. When any of those members told him, " Accept my sympathy " > >he in reply told them " I wish you the same" unknowingly. Quite > >interesting but these were old time politicians. What should he have > >said in reply? >> > > I think it was quite logical for him to respond "thanks for your support" or > just a simple "thanks" (especially if he was not confident with his command of > the English language!). > > That was a very funny joke. It is nice to have something to laugh about once > in a while!! > > Awa Sey
Another Parlimentarian replied to a question brought up to him during one of his British tours Q- Do you have any minerals in the Gambia? His reply Yes we Santa yallah, Farage mineral factory and Vimto.
-- MZ
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:14:07 -0500 From: habib <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: conference Message-ID: <34CCD26F.997@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
TSaidy1050 wrote: > > Gambia-l, > > It is a good idea to have a leadership conference and I will encourage all who > could go to attend. The maxim 'United we stand and divided we fall' almost > manifested it self during the last ALD (African Liberation Day) in Washington > DC. If I remember correctly, this is first of such conference and I think it > is a good sign and should be well attended.. > > The unfortunate thing, I hate to predict this, the turnout for the conference > would be very low and the Cultural Gala Night will be jam-packed. This used to > be the case during the ALD symposia organised over the years. The ALD is fast > approaching and if all Gambian organisations in the Greater DC area could > unite, a lot of funds would be raised. > > Latjor and the others keep up the good work and continue your endless efforts > for the success of this conference. We would like to read the report of the > out come. > > PEACE > > Tombong Saidy Tombong Maybe the solution is to make both of them on the same day and in the same location. Habib -- MZ
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:18:03 -0600 From: Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: Email Update Message-ID: <81F3CC6EBB6FD011917800805FC17836988F20@panthers.rbvdnr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain
you know how big Gilbert Brown is? I was concerned when I saw him on the sidelines after his first play. He was so out of breath. Moving all that bulk in warmer weather (67 deg.) as opposed to 28 deg or even 30 degrees will make a big difference in performance.
However, I am glad Elway got his superbowl ring before he retired. But now what's this i hear? He's thinking about changing his mind?:)
By the way, it's 30+ deg. here in Milwaukee. And we have lots of snow cover. So Malanding, where are you located?
All about the game.:)
Keretha
> ---------- > From: Malanding S. Jaiteh[SMTP:msjaiteh@mtu.edu] > Reply To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, January 26, 1998 11:59 AM > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Subject: Re: Email Update > > > > > In all honesty, I graciously congratulate the Broncos for their > win! I > > am happy for Elway! His team definitely stood up for him. However, > if > > the Packer defense hadn't had almost 100 pounds on the Broncos in 67 > > degree weather (they are from the "Frozen Tundra" you know), it > probably > > would have been a different story. And I am very happy no one was > > injured this time. > > > > Oh well, I totally felt it was a good game, very emotional and that > > otherwise -- minus a couple of exceptions -- it boiled down to a > battle > > of wits between the coaches. > > > > Congratulations Broncos and Bronco Fans! > > PANTHERS AND PACKERS, there's always next year! > > > > Now, on to basketball!!! > > > > PEACE! Keretha > Hold it Keratha!! > Are you saying that we am living at the North Pole? Well we live some > 200 miles north of Green Bay (a Packer Country). I must admit we are > really speechless over here. As you rightly said Packers could have > performed better if the temp were 30 degree F some 10 deg above our > January highs. > > Malanding > > >
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:04:40 -0500 From: habib <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Dumping on the developing world (fwd) Message-ID: <34CCDE48.63EC@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Modou Jallow wrote: > > Habib Ghanim, you wrote: > > > Moe > > Dumping harzardous waste almost happened in the Gambia in 1983 near > > Gungur. The same group that wanted to have our coins minted were > > involved. I knew of it ( through a close friend of mine here in > > Washington DC) and when the group visited Banjul to finalize the three > > million dollar deal, I interviened by writing an letter to the > > authorities in both local government and external affairs expressing my > > concerns. The plan was to bury the liqiud waste (suspected to be > > potentially dangerous if exposed in the atmosphere) in the ground at > > least three hundred feet deep near kartong or Gungur and the Gambia > > would be paid a hefty amount of money each year. > > Fortunately it did not happen (as far as I know ) and they moved to > > Guinea Bissau who were negotiating and needed the money badly. Only > > Allah knows what happened afterwards. > > These kinds of hazardous wastes do not surface until the drums start > > leaking from rusting several years later. > > I am glad some is looking out for our interest > > Happy Eid (Koriteh) in advance > > Habib Diab Ghanim > > Brother habib, > > It's indeed a pleasure to hear from you again, and thank you for the > information above. Now that we are closer to the end of Ramadhan, I hope > that you will be active on the list again. > > Happy Eid to you and the family. > > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow > > ======================================================================== > mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Moe Thanks and Happy Eid to you too Habib -- MZ
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:20:53 -0800 From: "Morro krubally" <jamba@cyberramp.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Is it a new Gambia? Message-ID: <199801262022.OAA23175@mailhost.cyberramp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Janko Much Thanks to you for your input of Monday, Jan.1998 If I may indulge, I would like to resonate a major point in your mail. SUSTAINABILITY. It cannot be gainsaid that central to all the development projects, that are currently under way, and that may follow, is the issue of sustainability. The initiatives taken to venture into projects for improvement of the infrastructure, are indeed commendable. The present administration in the Gambia is duly credit for the efforts they continue to make to bring the proposed dormant projects into action. they have inexhaustively made insurmountable strides to bring forth many projects and accomplished a great deal. But again, I think inextricably tied into all projects is the provisions made to sustain. The inability to put forth the necessary provisions for purposes of obtaining long life span out of the completed structures, still remains the challenge faced by my developing nations. The idea of building school houses in nearly every single village in the nation was indeed good. This is not to diminish the point you made about obtaining quality education. You made a valid point about staffing or lack thereof. I can't help but to think that not only did the authorities want to add to their success of providing educational possibilities to all children in the Gambia, but that these school houses can be further used for adult education as well. I think adult education; the ability to read and write is more accessible now with school houses in every village. Do you know if there are any community development projects addressing the issue of adult education? Again I thank you for your insightful mail. Morro Krubally ---------- > From: janko.fofana@commit.gm <gambia-l@commit.gm> > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Is it a new Gambia? > Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 3:33 AM > > Sent by "Janko Fofana" <janko.fofana@commit.gm> > via Commit > > > I would like to thank all those who contribute to this forum and would like > to encourage everybody to share ideas on topics that are of national > interest. It is important for us in the Gambia or outside to be kept > informed of issues affecting our nation. It is always nice to hear > something about your country especially if you live outside of it. I > remember my student days in the US when I was on the List and always eager > to browse through to see anything new about the Gambia. I am sure some of > you are now like me eager all the time to get information about politics, > economics or social development in the country. > > Since I am now back, I want to put in a small contribution to the topic "Is > it a new Gambia? Sincerely speaking there is a lot of development going on > in the country since the military take over but does that warrant it to be > called a "New Gambia"? In my view certainly not. Development is an ongoing > process and some of what are being implemented today were plans already > underway during the past regime. Don't get me wrong. I give the credit to > the present government for implementing long overdue projects like the TV, > The North Bank Road (Barra - Kerewan with a bridge at Kerewan under > construction) etc but evidently much was also done after independence in > 1965. It will be unfair to completely ignore what has been accomplished, > small as it look to some people. We just need to push things at a quicker > pace as is being done at the moment. Again I want to say that the present > government is doing a lot of good work but I strongly believe we need to > revisit some of the priority areas (if they are priorities for the > government). Think of all the schools built since the 1994 take over - > primary, junior and secondary schools in amost every corner in the country. > Do we have furniture and teachers for these schools? It might not be a bad > idea to improve some of the schools - better teachers, furniture and much > needed text books - and have few additional high schools rather than giving > every village a primary school. Of course education is important but what > is more important is what you get from your investment in education. Are we > getting our children better educated or just providing schools for them > where the quality of their education can be compromised? What are we doing > to help our school dropouts and those who graduate without any job > opportunity? More skills centers and needed, though it can be argued > government is thinking along those lines but it is my opinion more needs to > be done. I am happy about the idea of the members to contribute through > the educational assistance to needy students as being discussed. > > Finally, I believe the General Hospital in Farafenni, the new Airport > Terminal, improvement in road network in the rural areas are but few of the > achievement of the present regime that they should be given some credit > for. However, we need to think of making good use of these facilities and > make them sustainable. A lot of money was invested in these projects and > government should ensure that they don't lie idle. More development > projects are being discussed as revealed during the President's meet the > people's tour last November and it appears the government has already > secured funding for most of the projects. I will keep you posted on some > developments as they unfold. > > Also remember that our financial year is now from January to December and a > lot of things are being adjusted to match the calendar year. So I believe > we have to continue with our efforts and don't think that it is a new > Gambia. The key here is sustainability! Development is an ongoing process > and we still have a long way to go. It is a collective responsibilty and we > all have a role to play whether at home or abroad but better to be here to > paddle the canoe with us. Your role there is also important as most if not > all of you are on a mission there. Good luck to all of you and welcome > onboard when the mission is accomplished. > > So much for now. Sorry for giving you so much to read but I hope it is a > small contribution. > > Janko Fofana > > > >
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:35:55 -0500 From: AYONELSONHOMIAH@compuserve.com To: "INTERNET:gambia-l@u.washington.edu" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: Email Update Message-ID: <199801261536_MC2-30B4-66BB@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline
hello to all the senegambia posse !!!
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:47:05 +0000 From: "Ousman Sawaneh" <osawaneh@post9.tele.dk> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: introduction Message-ID: <19980126204728.AAA21986@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hello gambia-lers, Thanks very much for letting me join your bantaba and share these grate opportunity with you. Originally i am from baddibu gunjur village north bank division, I have been living in denmark for many years with my wife Haddy fanneh sawaneh, And i have been the Chairman for the gambian socio- cultural association in denmark.
Regards, Ousman Sawaneh
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:49:46 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re:My Commentary On What PDOIS Had To Say On The ECONOMY!! Message-ID: <01bd2a9b$efda4ac0$LocalHost@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
HALIFA wrote:-
Hence, the issue is not whether one is committed to a private sector led >growth or public sector led growth. The issue is the question of finding an >alternative policy that could provide appropriate solutions to our deficits >and indebtedness.
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Gambia-L,
I cannot of course agree with everything Mr.Sallah had to say on this very,very important National topic,The Economy;but I must congratulate him nonetheless for raising a number of very crucial issues that must be looked at very,very seriously and with a lot of flexibility if we as a nation are to really transform ourselves from a beggar nation to at least a "*****-Cat" economy.
If Mr.Sallah's numbers are correct,then the health of our nation,s Economy is in a very serious jeopardy,a fact that makes it absolutely necessary for the government to listen and be opened to all suggestions,regardless of their origins,that could help to atleast prevent this mountain of debts from piling on our heads and those of our children like its nobody's business.So,PDOIS' call upon the other parties to forget their political loyalities and discuss this national agenda impartially is both positive and necessary.It must be heeded,though,not only by the professional politicians, but also by any well informed Gambians who know a thing or two about how governments and economies are run.And because we, the Gambian diaspora, constitute a very significant portion of that category,we cannot allow this debate to abate without contributing our couple of pennies to it.Because this debate is afterall about the "National Osusu",and of course we also should be part of that!
Having said that,I must add that even though PDOIS has made some very important suggestions( eg.the reduction of foreign travels and cutting of entourage on the part of the government and the need to invest in some of the neglected sectors of our economy like fishing,carpentry,masonry and arts and the crafts) that need looking at in our struggle to turn things around for our economy,some of its arguments are fuzzy at best.
First of all,it dismisses as non issue whether its party is in favour of private sector led growth or a public sector one, but I would have thought that that is exactly the issue here.All of us know that PDOIS is either a Socialist or Semi-Socialist political party and, as a result, the economic strategy it is now putting forward and confidently portraying as the only cure of the economic ailments of our nation are a direct product of Marxian Economic analysis which is by default hostile to market forces.
So,even though we have not heard the government's version,we can safely deduct from what PDOIS itself is saying here that the government believes that its workforce is still too large and inorder to achieve efficiency and higher productivity many civil servants will have to be retrenched; that, in addition to the need to cut expenditure on services and to increase taxes.And, clearly,these are the very strategies that PDOIS is idelogically opposed to.So,we now know,whether Pdois wants to admit it or not,that it is the Party which favours Big Government,whereas the Government is now tired of playing big daddy and wants to wean the people and encourage them to develop the private sector.
The problem now is how can we reconcile between PDOIS' call on the Government to become much more efficient with its ideological hostility to reducing the size of Government and expanding the private sector,and turning over some of the states functions to the market.Nobody is doubting here the nobility of PDOIS intentions for the Nation, but compassion is one thing and the economic strategy that would work and could enable us turn things around is something else altogether.We have experimented with huge public corporations (PWD,GUC,GPTC ,PORTS etc) throughout the past three decades since our independence,but, as all of us know too well,they have contributed nothing to our economy but indebtednes,corruption, nepotism and mediocrity.And PDOIS's suggestion to set up new public corporation,never mind how neat the name looks on paper or how complicated the explanation of how it should work sounds ,is nothing but a repeat of our past economic mistakes.The way forward for our nation,just as it is now the practice in most countries of the world,is not to build anymore cumbersome and money losing public corporations,but rather to dismantle existing ones and turn their resources over to competent private individuals as loans, so they would provide those services to the public.PDOIS is absolutely right in saying that the present private sector in the Gambia is incapable of generating enough revenues in the form of taxes to make any significant impact on our Nation's KingSize deficit and indebtedness.But that incapacity,contrary to what PDOIS would like us to believe,has nothing to do with the inherent nature of the Private Sector in general,but everything to do with the tiny size of our Nations private sector and the lack of sufficient incentives and facilities that would make it work to full capacity.And if our government wants to realize its dream of transforming our now almost primitive economy to one of Tigers or "*****-Cats" or whatever wild animal,it must channel much of its energy towards recruiting the young and educated Gambians(the ones inside and outside) and provide them with the resources and create for them the kind of atmosphere that is conducive to free and fair competition for the Dalasis of the consumers in exchange for the services these new entrepreneurs would provide.
And when that happens in earnest in at least most of the various sectors of our economic life,there would be enough money to go around that would make it totally unnecessary for members of our National Assembly to send some of their already meagre salaries to their respective constituencies to be set up there as funds for their electorates.
Regards Bassss!
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:54:33 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: introduction Message-ID: <9801262054.AA45192@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Welcome to the list. Is your wife by any chance related to Mariama Fanneh? She (Mariama) was a former classmate and I would love to get in touch with her. Perhaps, you wife might have a contact address. Please, help!
Regards, Moe S. Jallow
> > Hello gambia-lers, > Thanks very much for letting me join your bantaba and > share these grate opportunity with you. Originally i am from > baddibu gunjur village north bank division, I have been > living in denmark for many years with my wife Haddy > fanneh sawaneh, And i have been the Chairman for the gambian > socio- cultural association in denmark. > > > > Regards, > Ousman Sawaneh > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:16:33 -0500 (EST) From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> To: Gambia <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: Is This Ignorance Or What!!!] (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9801262121.A3309-0100000@mach1.wlu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
I thought this was very interesting and wanted to know what everyone had to say about it!! I personally found it amusing and afterwards, my room-mates and I started calling each other male names!! You'll understand why after you've read the article. Happy Eid in advance to everyone and I hope everyone is doing great!!! Ancha. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:49:55 -0500 (EST) From: Marsha Wynter <mwynter@golden.net> To: wynt3940@mach1.wlu.ca Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: Is This Ignorance Or What!!!]
>>Good Morning All, >> >>Below is an article written by a misguided Caucasian student at Cornell. >>Though I find the overtone of the letter to be extremely superficial >>(especially when he eludes to the fact that he is trying to assist in >>educating us, imagine that?) it is always interesting to read expressions >>like the one below. Respond in kind if the spirit hits you. I know I >will. >Thanks for passing the info on Kim, and sorry for any duplications! >> >>Have a pleasant day!! > > >>>>>> "black/white, asian/white dating disparities" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me clear the issue up -- bear with me, this will be lengthy. >>>>>> First of all, there is a HUGE disparity in Asian/white dating. MANY >>>>>> MORE white male/asian female couples exist, relative to asian >>>>>> male/white female couples. The same dispairty exists, even in greater >>>>>> numbers, with black men and white women. 94% of black/white couples >>>>>> involve a black man and white woman. Some facts that will come into >>>>>> play -- about 3.5% of the U.S. population is Asian. About 12.7% of >the >>>>> population is African. I'm not opposed to interracial dating, >however, >>>>> there are some issues. Black women and Asian men (and to a >lesser >>>>> extent,whitemen) are definitely getting the "short end of the >stick", >>>>>> from a dating perspective. Why?..... >>>>>> >>>>>> Trust me, (tell it like it is), the problem lies within black women. >>>>>> This is not a racist comment. Black women, on the whole, are not >>>>>> preceived as being "feminine" and "attractive" (by the Western >World's >>>>>> standards) by a majority of males. Many perceive them as being >>>>>> "manly", with characteristics such as a deeper voice, shorter hair, >>>>>> more bodily hair, baggy clothes, and a lack of sexiness and >>>>>> flirtaciousness. It's the nature of a man to consider overall >>>>>> attractiveness when chossing a date, and looks is a great part of >>>>>> this.This has compelled may black men to look for a white woman to >>>>>> date. Consequently, many black males, which compromise a significant >>>>>> segment of the population, date white women. This leaves white males >>>>>> with no choice. Many, in an effort to releive their lonlieness, date >>>>>> Asian females. This leaves Asian males with the short end of the >stick >>>>> along with black females. Due to the fact the African >population is >>>>> much greater than the Asian population, white males >are also left out >>>>>> to a lesser extent. Black females have the highest rate of >>>>>> singularity of any ethnic/gender group in our country, and it's >>>>>> precisely due to their lack of softness and feminity both in >>>>>> personality and appearance. This isn't a racist, mean comment -- it's >>>>>> one meant to educate and help lonely people. If you really want to >>>>>> read more into this, look at the "general forum" -- I have many >>>>>> postings in there. The solution? Many would fret at that word -- >>>>>> "solution", claiming I think interracial dating is a "problem" >needing >>>>> to be "solved". Well, I feel that there are too many lonely >people >>>>>> out there who need a partner -- and should have one -- >>>>>> and yes, I perceive these disparities as a problem. Black women have >>>>>> to shed their "macho" "masculine" and unattractive character and >>>>>> appearance. This will compel black men to actually ENJOY dating black >>>>>> women, which will mean more white women for whit emen, which will >mean >>>>> more asian women for asian men. There will be many less lonely >people >>>>> in the world -- and it all stems from the masculinity of the >black >>>>> female. Sorry, I know I'll offend some, but in my heart I know >I'm not >>>>> a racist, and it's for the better -- and I'm not afraid to >take any >>>>> irrational heat. Many will agree with me, however. Anyone >willing to >>>>> discuss this with me can email me at jw43@cornell.edu, >and I'll >>>>> gladly reply. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Jason >>>>>> (p.s., I'm a white male, with a white girlfriend!) >>>>>> by J > >Now for the response........ > >>The response from a woman named >>"Tonia" tells it like it is, was and forever will be >> >> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>>Jason, >>>I appreciate your honesty and your opinion. I am a black woman and I'm >>>not the >>>least bit offended. I attribute your perspective to a lack of exposure. >>>I >>>realize that only age, maturity and an introduction to what YOU'VE been >>>missing >>>out on will change that. I will only entertain your ignorance for a >>>moment, >>>but feel free to reply and we'll keep the dialogue going! >>>I live in Washington, DC and I have never had a problem finding a man! >>>What >>>'short stick' are you talking about! Don't fool yourself into thinking >>>that >>>white men aren't attracted to us just because you aren't. Black men >>>love >>>us; >>>Asian men are fascinated by our mystery; African men admire our >>>strength, >>>intellect, and confidence; Latin men adore our curves, sensuality, and >>>rhythm; >>>Italian men savor our style and the variety in our shades; Brits enjoy >>>our >>>quick >>>wit and zest for life; Australians love our good conversation and love >>>for >>>good >>>beer (okay my love for good beer); and I could go on and on! It's only >>>white >>>'American' men that admire us secretly. You watch us at work, at >>>school, >>>in the >>>street and you want to get to know us, but your shame won't allow it. >>>You >>>too >>>are fascinated by the mystic. You like the way our brown skin glistens >>>on >>>your >>>pale white... when we shake your hand, that is! Short hair is sexy and >>>deep >>>voices are sensual... ask your grand-dad! >>>Black women, my dear, are known nurturers. While your mothers, >>>grandmothers and >>>great-grands sat and drank tea... we were feeding you, teaching you... >>>we >>>raised >>>you! But there's no need to get philosophical on ya... let's keep it to >>>the here and now! >>> HardCopy Listing of 'ALL NOTEBOOK' for MITCHELC >>>Page 4 >>>My advice to you dear is to stop watching Jenny Jones, Cops, and Ricky >>>Lake... >>>the sistahs that you see on TV, are not representative of the masses. >>>The >>>sistahs in my circle wouldn't know a pair of baggy jeans if they slapped >>>them in the face. Charm and flirt are our middle names. >>>Validate your research with some exposure. Take your blinders off and >>>feed >>>your igonorance. There's an entire world that YOU are missing out on! >>>Peace and Blessings, >>>Tonia >
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:16:30 EST From: BAKSAWA <BAKSAWA@aol.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Joke Message-ID: <6f1414b4.34cd5190@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Morro:
It's nice catching up with you as well. Please say hello to our wife for me!!!
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In a message dated 98-01-25 Morro krubally wrote:
<Awa: What a pleasure indeed to catch you on the line. Wasn't that joke about the politician hilarious? You know in those days the English language was still in it's rugged form. Not quite as evolved as it is today. So, arguably, in the contex of the times, he might have been right by responding " The same to you." David letterman or Jay leno should get a hold of this one. Only I wouldn't tell them the politician was a African. >>
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:44:41 -0600 From: "Katim S. Touray" <dekat@itis.com> To: "Gambia-l" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Fw: Music and Dance Ensemble Message-ID: <199801270455.WAA04096@tower.itis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
---------- > From: Frank D Gunderson <fgunders@INDIANA.EDU> > To: AFRIMUSE@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > Subject: Music and Dance Ensemble > Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 3:23 PM > > I have been informed that the University of Oklahoma is looking for an > African music and dance ensemble to perform as a part of it's "Summer > Wind," Series. Date is scheduled for July third. As I understand it, > they have a budget of 2000$ plus, with all travel expenses paid, within > the continental United States. So, if you are a member of an ensemble in > the states, or know of one that might be touring at that time, and are > interested, please contact Lance Dreg: ldrege@ou.edu for more details.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:05:25 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: SV: Email Update Message-ID: <9B236DF9AF96CF11A5C94044F32190311DB3B7@DKDIFS02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Moe, sport is like that - never predict who will win. I saw the match and it was so fantastic, and who won - the Denver-boys !!! Asbj=F8rn
> ---------- > Fra: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu[SMTP:mjallow@st6000.sct.edu] > Svar til: gambia-l@u.washington.edu > Sendt: 23. januar 1998 16:36 > Til: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Emne: Email Update >=20 > For those football fanatics (american football, that is) this will be > a=20 > good weekend to see some "butt kicking". I can't wait for superbowl > sunday when Brett Favre and the GB Packers trample on John Elway and > the > Denver Broncos. The Broncos will require more than a miracle to > dethrone > the "world" (as in america) champions. For those sorry Broncos fans, > well > what can I say except....down you will go :-))). >=20 > Have a wonderful weekend! >=20 > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D=3D=3D > mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com > = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- >=20
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:44:32 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fwd: Is This Ignorance Or What!!!] (fwd) Message-ID: <01bd2b21$50e2d500$0c2385c2@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Ancha! Thanks for the forward ! I will try to comment on it if my time permits,but in the meantime,Keep Up The Good Work Down There!
Regards Bass!
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>I thought this was very interesting and wanted to know what everyone had >to say about it!! I personally found it amusing and afterwards, my >room-mates and I started calling each other male names!! You'll >understand why after you've read the article. >Happy Eid in advance to everyone and I hope everyone is doing great!!! > Ancha.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:15:07 +0000 From: "Papa N'Jie" <papa1@mdx.ac.uk> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Cc: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: <34CDDDDB.5EB8@mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
hi list managers, could u please unsubscribe me until further notice. thanks and keep up the good work...
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:06:05 -0600 From: Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: [Fwd: Fwd: Is This Ignorance Or What!!!] (fwd) Message-ID: <81F3CC6EBB6FD011917800805FC17836988F2E@panthers.rbvdnr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you -- it is always enjoyable to share knowledge with those in need. Tonia really said it all very eloquently. All you can really do is plant the seed -- hopefully this ground is not too thorny.
Peace and Understanding! Keretha
> ---------- > From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u[SMTP:bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca] > Reply To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, January 26, 1998 8:16 PM > To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: Is This Ignorance Or What!!!] (fwd) >=20 > I thought this was very interesting and wanted to know what everyone > had=20 > to say about it!! I personally found it amusing and afterwards, my=20 > room-mates and I started calling each other male names!! You'll=20 > understand why after you've read the article.=20 > Happy Eid in advance to everyone and I hope everyone is doing = great!!! > Ancha. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:49:55 -0500 (EST) > From: Marsha Wynter <mwynter@golden.net> > To: wynt3940@mach1.wlu.ca > Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: Is This Ignorance Or What!!!] >=20 >=20 > >>Good Morning All, > >> > >>Below is an article written by a misguided Caucasian student at > Cornell.=20 > >>Though I find the overtone of the letter to be extremely = superficial >=20 > >>(especially when he eludes to the fact that he is trying to assist > in=20 > >>educating us, imagine that?) it is always interesting to read > expressions=20 > >>like the one below. Respond in kind if the spirit hits you. I know > I=20 > >will. >Thanks for passing the info on Kim, and sorry for any > duplications!=20 > >> > >>Have a pleasant day!! > > > > =20 > >>>>>> "black/white, asian/white dating disparities"=20 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Let me clear the issue up -- bear with me, this will be > lengthy.=20 > >>>>>> First of all, there is a HUGE disparity in Asian/white dating. > MANY=20 > >>>>>> MORE white male/asian female couples exist, relative to asian > >>>>>> male/white female couples. The same dispairty exists, even in > greater=20 > >>>>>> numbers, with black men and white women. 94% of black/white > couples=20 > >>>>>> involve a black man and white woman. Some facts that will come > into=20 > >>>>>> play -- about 3.5% of the U.S. population is Asian. About = 12.7% > of=20 > >the >>>>> population is African. I'm not opposed to interracial > dating,=20 > >however, >>>>> there are some issues. Black women and Asian men > (and to a=20 > >lesser >>>>> extent,whitemen) are definitely getting the "short end > of the=20 > >stick", > >>>>>> from a dating perspective. Why?.....=20 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Trust me, (tell it like it is), the problem lies within black > women.=20 > >>>>>> This is not a racist comment. Black women, on the whole, are > not=20 > >>>>>> preceived as being "feminine" and "attractive" (by the Western =
> >World's > >>>>>> standards) by a majority of males. Many perceive them as being > >>>>>> "manly", with characteristics such as a deeper voice, shorter > hair,=20 > >>>>>> more bodily hair, baggy clothes, and a lack of sexiness and > >>>>>> flirtaciousness. It's the nature of a man to consider overall=20 > >>>>>> attractiveness when chossing a date, and looks is a great = part > of=20 > >>>>>> this.This has compelled may black men to look for a white = woman > to > >>>>>> date. Consequently, many black males, which compromise a > significant=20 > >>>>>> segment of the population, date white women. This leaves white > males=20 > >>>>>> with no choice. Many, in an effort to releive their = lonlieness, > date=20 > >>>>>> Asian females. This leaves Asian males with the short end of > the=20 > >stick >>>>> along with black females. Due to the fact the African=20 > >population is >>>>> much greater than the Asian population, white > males=20 > >are also left out > >>>>>> to a lesser extent. Black females have the highest rate of=20 > >>>>>> singularity of any ethnic/gender group in our country, and = it's >=20 > >>>>>> precisely due to their lack of softness and feminity both in > >>>>>> personality and appearance. This isn't a racist, mean comment > -- it's=20 > >>>>>> one meant to educate and help lonely people. If you really = want > to=20 > >>>>>> read more into this, look at the "general forum" -- I have > many=20 > >>>>>> postings in there. The solution? Many would fret at that > word --=20 > >>>>>> "solution", claiming I think interracial dating is a "problem" =
> >needing >>>>> to be "solved". Well, I feel that there are too many > lonely=20 > >people > >>>>>> out there who need a partner -- and should have one -- > >>>>>> and yes, I perceive these disparities as a problem. Black = women > have=20 > >>>>>> to shed their "macho" "masculine" and unattractive character > and=20 > >>>>>> appearance. This will compel black men to actually ENJOY = dating > black=20 > >>>>>> women, which will mean more white women for whit emen, which > will=20 > >mean >>>>> more asian women for asian men. There will be many less > lonely=20 > >people >>>>> in the world -- and it all stems from the masculinity = of > the=20 > >black >>>>> female. Sorry, I know I'll offend some, but in my heart = I > know=20 > >I'm not >>>>> a racist, and it's for the better -- and I'm not > afraid to=20 > >take any >>>>> irrational heat. Many will agree with me, however. > Anyone=20 > >willing to >>>>> discuss this with me can email me at > jw43@cornell.edu,=20 > >and I'll >>>>> gladly reply. > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> Jason > >>>>>> (p.s., I'm a white male, with a white girlfriend!)=20 > >>>>>> by J > > > >Now for the response........ > > > >>The response from a woman named > >>"Tonia" tells it like it is, was and forever will be=20 > >> > >> > >>> ---------------------------------------------=20 > >>>Jason, > >>>I appreciate your honesty and your opinion. I am a black woman = and > I'm=20 > >>>not the > >>>least bit offended. I attribute your perspective to a lack of > exposure.=20 > >>>I > >>>realize that only age, maturity and an introduction to what YOU'VE > been=20 > >>>missing > >>>out on will change that. I will only entertain your ignorance = for > a=20 > >>>moment, > >>>but feel free to reply and we'll keep the dialogue going! > >>>I live in Washington, DC and I have never had a problem finding a > man!=20 > >>>What > >>>'short stick' are you talking about! Don't fool yourself into > thinking=20 > >>>that > >>>white men aren't attracted to us just because you aren't. Black > men=20 > >>>love > >>>us; > >>>Asian men are fascinated by our mystery; African men admire our=20 > >>>strength, > >>>intellect, and confidence; Latin men adore our curves, sensuality, > and=20 > >>>rhythm; > >>>Italian men savor our style and the variety in our shades; Brits > enjoy=20 > >>>our > >>>quick > >>>wit and zest for life; Australians love our good conversation and > love=20 > >>>for > >>>good > >>>beer (okay my love for good beer); and I could go on and on! It's > only=20 > >>>white > >>>'American' men that admire us secretly. You watch us at work, at=20 > >>>school, > >>>in the > >>>street and you want to get to know us, but your shame won't allow > it.=20 > >>>You > >>>too > >>>are fascinated by the mystic. You like the way our brown skin > glistens=20 > >>>on > >>>your > >>>pale white... when we shake your hand, that is! Short hair is = sexy > and=20 > >>>deep > >>>voices are sensual... ask your grand-dad! > >>>Black women, my dear, are known nurturers. While your mothers,=20 > >>>grandmothers and > >>>great-grands sat and drank tea... we were feeding you, teaching > you...=20 > >>>we > >>>raised > >>>you! But there's no need to get philosophical on ya... let's keep > it to=20 > >>>the here and now! > >>> HardCopy Listing of 'ALL NOTEBOOK' for MITCHELC=20 > >>>Page 4 > >>>My advice to you dear is to stop watching Jenny Jones, Cops, and > Ricky=20 > >>>Lake... > >>>the sistahs that you see on TV, are not representative of the > masses.=20 > >>>The > >>>sistahs in my circle wouldn't know a pair of baggy jeans if they > slapped=20 > >>>them in the face. Charm and flirt are our middle names. > >>>Validate your research with some exposure. Take your blinders off > and=20 > >>>feed > >>>your igonorance. There's an entire world that YOU are missing = out > on!=20 > >>>Peace and Blessings, > >>>Tonia > > >=20
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:32:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Sainey Keita <S.Keita@reading.ac.uk> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: new member Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980127112807.8609B-100000@suma3.reading.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII"
Hi list manager,
I wish to introduce a friend to the bantata. His name is Mbemba Dahada and his e-mail address is aep97mad@reading.ac.uk.
Thanks inadvance,
Sainey Keita.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:54:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Email Update Message-ID: <199801271654.LAA15521@aspen.ffr.mtu.edu> Content-Type: text
> > By the way, it's 30+ deg. here in Milwaukee. And we have lots of snow > cover. So Malanding, where are you located? > > All about the game.:) > > Keretha > > Houghton, MI on US 41 a little south of Copper Harbor. Great place for a Gambian to leave!!
malanding
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:15:26 -0800 From: "Morro krubally" <jamba@cyberramp.net> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fwd: Is This Ignorance Or What!!!] (fwd) Message-ID: <199801271714.LAA21422@mailhost.cyberramp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Ancha: Amusing is not the word, but for lack of a better word it will suffice. But I will tell you I was blown by it. On the other hand, it is serves to remind me of the continues existence of ignorance about the Black people. I won't further validate the ignoramus mind of the man by a commentary. I think Tonia in D.C. said more than enough to respond to "mr. Educator himself " his ignorance notwithstanding. For you Ancha, Thank you for the forward. Morro.
---------- > From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: Is This Ignorance Or What!!!] (fwd) > Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 6:16 PM > > I thought this was very interesting and wanted to know what everyone had > to say about it!! I personally found it amusing and afterwards, my > room-mates and I started calling each other male names!! You'll > understand why after you've read the article. > Happy Eid in advance to everyone and I hope everyone is doing great!!! > Ancha. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:49:55 -0500 (EST) > From: Marsha Wynter <mwynter@golden.net> > To: wynt3940@mach1.wlu.ca > Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: Is This Ignorance Or What!!!] > > > >>Good Morning All, > >> > >>Below is an article written by a misguided Caucasian student at Cornell. > >>Though I find the overtone of the letter to be extremely superficial > >>(especially when he eludes to the fact that he is trying to assist in > >>educating us, imagine that?) it is always interesting to read expressions > >>like the one below. Respond in kind if the spirit hits you. I know I > >will. >Thanks for passing the info on Kim, and sorry for any duplications! > >> > >>Have a pleasant day!! > > > > > >>>>>> "black/white, asian/white dating disparities" > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Let me clear the issue up -- bear with me, this will be lengthy. > >>>>>> First of all, there is a HUGE disparity in Asian/white dating. MANY > >>>>>> MORE white male/asian female couples exist, relative to asian > >>>>>> male/white female couples. The same dispairty exists, even in greater > >>>>>> numbers, with black men and white women. 94% of black/white couples > >>>>>> involve a black man and white woman. Some facts that will come into > >>>>>> play -- about 3.5% of the U.S. population is Asian. About 12.7% of
> >the >>>>> population is African. I'm not opposed to interracial dating, > >however, >>>>> there are some issues. Black women and Asian men (and to a > >lesser >>>>> extent,whitemen) are definitely getting the "short end of the > >stick", > >>>>>> from a dating perspective. Why?..... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Trust me, (tell it like it is), the problem lies within black women. > >>>>>> This is not a racist comment. Black women, on the whole, are not > >>>>>> preceived as being "feminine" and "attractive" (by the Western > >World's > >>>>>> standards) by a majority of males. Many perceive them as being > >>>>>> "manly", with characteristics such as a deeper voice, shorter hair, > >>>>>> more bodily hair, baggy clothes, and a lack of sexiness and > >>>>>> flirtaciousness. It's the nature of a man to consider overall > >>>>>> attractiveness when chossing a date, and looks is a great part of
> >>>>>> this.This has compelled may black men to look for a white woman to > >>>>>> date. Consequently, many black males, which compromise a significant > >>>>>> segment of the population, date white women. This leaves white males > >>>>>> with no choice. Many, in an effort to releive their lonlieness, date > >>>>>> Asian females. This leaves Asian males with the short end of the > >stick >>>>> along with black females. Due to the fact the African > >population is >>>>> much greater than the Asian population, white males
> >are also left out > >>>>>> to a lesser extent. Black females have the highest rate of > >>>>>> singularity of any ethnic/gender group in our country, and it's > >>>>>> precisely due to their lack of softness and feminity both in > >>>>>> personality and appearance. This isn't a racist, mean comment -- it's > >>>>>> one meant to educate and help lonely people. If you really want to
> >>>>>> read more into this, look at the "general forum" -- I have many > >>>>>> postings in there. The solution? Many would fret at that word -- > >>>>>> "solution", claiming I think interracial dating is a "problem" > >needing >>>>> to be "solved". Well, I feel that there are too many lonely > >people > >>>>>> out there who need a partner -- and should have one -- > >>>>>> and yes, I perceive these disparities as a problem. Black women have > >>>>>> to shed their "macho" "masculine" and unattractive character and > >>>>>> appearance. This will compel black men to actually ENJOY dating black > >>>>>> women, which will mean more white women for whit emen, which will > >mean >>>>> more asian women for asian men. There will be many less lonely > >people >>>>> in the world -- and it all stems from the masculinity of the > >black >>>>> female. Sorry, I know I'll offend some, but in my heart I know > >I'm not >>>>> a racist, and it's for the better -- and I'm not afraid to > >take any >>>>> irrational heat. Many will agree with me, however. Anyone
> >willing to >>>>> discuss this with me can email me at jw43@cornell.edu,
> >and I'll >>>>> gladly reply. > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> Jason > >>>>>> (p.s., I'm a white male, with a white girlfriend!) > >>>>>> by J > > > >Now for the response........ > > > >>The response from a woman named > >>"Tonia" tells it like it is, was and forever will be > >> > >> > >>> --------------------------------------------- > >>>Jason, > >>>I appreciate your honesty and your opinion. I am a black woman and I'm > >>>not the > >>>least bit offended. I attribute your perspective to a lack of exposure. > >>>I > >>>realize that only age, maturity and an introduction to what YOU'VE been > >>>missing > >>>out on will change that. I will only entertain your ignorance for a > >>>moment, > >>>but feel free to reply and we'll keep the dialogue going! > >>>I live in Washington, DC and I have never had a problem finding a man!
> >>>What > >>>'short stick' are you talking about! Don't fool yourself into thinking
> >>>that > >>>white men aren't attracted to us just because you aren't. Black men > >>>love > >>>us; > >>>Asian men are fascinated by our mystery; African men admire our > >>>strength, > >>>intellect, and confidence; Latin men adore our curves, sensuality, and
> >>>rhythm; > >>>Italian men savor our style and the variety in our shades; Brits enjoy
> >>>our > >>>quick > >>>wit and zest for life; Australians love our good conversation and love
> >>>for > >>>good > >>>beer (okay my love for good beer); and I could go on and on! It's only
> >>>white > >>>'American' men that admire us secretly. You watch us at work, at > >>>school, > >>>in the > >>>street and you want to get to know us, but your shame won't allow it. > >>>You > >>>too > >>>are fascinated by the mystic. You like the way our brown skin glistens > >>>on > >>>your > >>>pale white... when we shake your hand, that is! Short hair is sexy and > >>>deep > >>>voices are sensual... ask your grand-dad! > >>>Black women, my dear, are known nurturers. While your mothers, > >>>grandmothers and > >>>great-grands sat and drank tea... we were feeding you, teaching you...
> >>>we > >>>raised > >>>you! But there's no need to get philosophical on ya... let's keep it to > >>>the here and now! > >>> HardCopy Listing of 'ALL NOTEBOOK' for MITCHELC > >>>Page 4 > >>>My advice to you dear is to stop watching Jenny Jones, Cops, and Ricky
> >>>Lake... > >>>the sistahs that you see on TV, are not representative of the masses. > >>>The > >>>sistahs in my circle wouldn't know a pair of baggy jeans if they slapped > >>>them in the face. Charm and flirt are our middle names. > >>>Validate your research with some exposure. Take your blinders off and > >>>feed > >>>your igonorance. There's an entire world that YOU are missing out on! > >>>Peace and Blessings, > >>>Tonia > > >
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:53:05 +0200 From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: New member and Eid mubarak Message-ID: <19980127185406.AAA56248@nijii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Greetings, Alagie Babou Njie has been added to the Bantaba. Welcome on board Mr. Njie. You can send a brief introduction to gambia-l@u.washington.edu.
Eid Mubarak in advance to everyone and may God accept our prayers and forgive us all our sins done by mistake or ignorantly.
Momodou Camara
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:51:11 +0200 From: "lamin" <wintersu@dlc.fi> To: "Gambia-l" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Unsubscribe Message-ID: <199801271852.UAA29521@elf.dlc.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
List Managers, I would appreciate if you could temporary unsubseribe me until further notice. With kind regards Lamin Jammeh
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:26:10 +0200 From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: New Member Message-ID: <19980127192710.AAA62452@nijii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Greetings, Hamadi Banna has been added to the Bantaba. Welcome on board Hamadi, you can send a brief introduction to gambia-l@u.washington.edu.
Eid Mubarak in advance!
Momodou Camara
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:31:35 PST From: "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: sutura and other wolof words Message-ID: <19980127213137.28516.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain
hi malanding, heidi, and bantabaa-nkool0, i cannot but help but join in this discussion. i know some of my fellow l-ers will be mad at me for not talking to them for so long nad suddenky, out of the blue, heidi draws me. she has this magic wand.......uuuhhh huuuuhhhh ... anyway, i think you all got it pretty much covered and i had to read through to find anything i could elaborate on. you are amazing heidi....this could become a hobby of mine.. ********************* maalang said.... >I think I can safely say that "sutura" in >mandingka is "suturo". as in "Mo nyang ta suturo sotolaleh". perhaps very much teh same as "sutura" in wollof. > Please don't ask me who gets it from who? >Malanding Jaiteh >**************************** i hope nobody asks, and i wish somebody knows. to me however, this serves to strenghten the fact that we might all have in common, more; much more, than we think or belief. much of the mandinka language has an o' at the end of most words depending on tense and usage. ************************** >> Hello, >> I am wondering if anybody can help translating or explaining some, for me, "difficult" >> Wolof words, namely sutura, teranga and ruus. (Do they have Mandinka >> counterparts?)....... >> >> In another context a woman praised living in Bakau and said "Bakau >> moi suma sutura" (Bakau is my "sutura") >> Can somebody explain a bit more what this implies? ***************** my take on this.....this woman could have been saying that bakau is good to her. she could be getting a lot from Bakau that she would not expect to get anywhere else. thus bakau being her "sutura". out of bakau, she could be "sutura"-less. it would have helped if she had said why it is her sutura.........moving on ****************************** >> And somebody who "nyaka faida" or "nyaka joom" are respectless ... ********************************** heidy, these two words (or phrases as you used them) as quite diffirent and distinct from each other as i know them. sometimes, i am amazed at how much you know, and then i am pinched at some of your classic mistakes. but then i realize that you were not born and raised in the Gambia to realize the real meaning and context or connotations of some sayings, words, etc......i was raised on "faida" and "jom". ofcourse, among a lot of other things, incliding "maalo" (rice). "faida" is a sense of direction and purpose than one has; "one's own mind", if you will. one who has this 'faida" doesn't let anybody, at anytime, do anything to them, or make them do anything. to ignore the unimportant stuff and to plough through distractions is some faida. one who might be bent one way, but not another like a "basang" -as my mum says- and not like a "malaan". "jom" is (to me), a sense of pride. not to let down yourself or your people. jom is a sense of right and wrong. a sense of shame. this is one of the things that i miss about my homeland. i see and experience things here that are abominable. "jom" and "faida" are stuff that that are lacking in animals...beasts. thus to be "faida"-less and "jom"-less is to be purposeless and shameless, like a goat, dog, cow, etc. ofcourse, these are all relative. who determines what a shame or purpose is???????.... ************************ >> I hope some of you will have time to share your thoughts on the >> subject, in spite of the busy time schedules everybody seems to have. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Heidi Skramstad ********************************** i would really have liked to delve more into this, but as you know, i am scared to look at the clock now. i am just gonna get up and go to class for another two and a half hours. maybe we will talk more about this later privately..... NJAGA JAGNE.......A BIG SMILE TO THE BANTABA.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:41:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh) Subject: Re: An alternative strategy for macro-economic development (A vision without a realistic foundation is a castle built in thin air) Message-ID: <199801272141.QAA15719@aspen.ffr.mtu.edu> Content-Type: text
Once again I will thank the PDOIS team for sending this article to gambia-l. It certainly shows partisan politics is still alive and well the "old Gambia way"! I want experts(economists) to clarify a few things for me before I can make meaningful contribution? Mr Sallah mentioned of growing government borrowing despite the fact that we are spending over 40% of our GDP on debt servicing. What is the implication of this growing debt on the value and stability of the Dalasi? Is there any real danger of the Dalasi loosing value like the Ruppiah of Indonesia(one of hte former Tigers/***** cats?).
What is the danger of borrowing to finance infrastructural development? Afterall thats what every country does! know that we need schools, roads, ports, hospitals and bridges do we leave leave them until we can afford it (a strategy used by hte former government i suppose)? What would that mean for the country as opposed to incurring the loans?
Perhaps another area to save although not directly mentioned by Mr Sallah is the Army and the Presidency. I happen to watch a video recording of the Jammeh inauguration and the '97 Independence celebration. It beats me how much we are spending on the Army, the Guards and all the armour cars and escorts.
Malanding
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:10:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh) Subject: Re: sutura and other wolof words Message-ID: <199801272210.RAA06807@oak.ffr.mtu.edu> Content-Type: text
Njaga, I am learning alot. Heidi just learnt from my wife a better bi-lingual than I that Teranga is Buu-nyaa and the closest english word to "sutura" is PRIVACY. Hope it helps.
malanding
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:29:43 EST From: SANG1220 <SANG1220@aol.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Ignorance Message-ID: <acaa8532.34ce7bf8@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Ancha, that was indeed insigthful, I suspect the author is just a laddy who have not been in the real world, thus his attitude. Tania, said it best, white men admire black women from afar but are either scared to talk to them or worry what their friends think about them if they venture in "unchaired" territory. Thanks Daddy Sang
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:47:05 EST From: ELLA23K <ELLA23K@aol.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fwd: Is This Ignorance Or What!!!] (fwd) Message-ID: <d6557b33.34ce9c00@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Hi Ancha, you have put it to the fool quite nicely and if he( or maybe he is an it) should read it will try to educate himself on the issue, but i doubt it. You kit fascinates them that we do not show how beautiful we are by wearing those trashy looking clothes and going aboutusing the foulest language-instead we carry ourselves maturely and very diplomatically. We are well educated and have a lot of common sense which is not so common among his type. He should talk to the few American peace corps that have been to Africa and they might share with him the rich beauty and love black women in general have.
Anyway let the fool speack and the wise give no answer. We are more matured than that and he has had enough attention to his ignorance.
Once again thanks for the enlightenment and good luck
Cecilia.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:54:39 -0500 (EST) From: Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu> To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Fw: Watch Out: Globalisation is Re-drawing Africa's Borders (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.94.980127233707.13354A-100000@minerva.cis.yale.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Hi Folks, On Njaaraama!
Back on line, and happy to be on the Bantaba again-thanks to Momodou. I will tell you the story... Meanwhile, here is something you might be interested in reading. Rather pessimistic, which is the problem I have with it (I am an incurable, 'Afro-optimist'!!!);but, all the same, interesting and thought-provoking.
Back soon, with more stuff.
Enjoy the Korite and Ndewennatti!
Ebrima. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:14:31 +0100 From: Thandika Mkandawire <i31776@inet.uni-c.dk> To: Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu> Subject: Fw: Watch Out: Globalisation is Re-drawing Africa's Borders
>Watch Out: Globalisation is Re-drawing Africa's Borders > >January 27, 1998 > >Felix 'Machi Njoku, PANA Correspondent > >DAKAR, Senegal (PANA) - In 1885, European powers assembled in the German city of Berlin to carve out chunks of African >territories for themselves. > >As this century turns the corner, a repeat has been set in motion though not in the manner of another daggers-drawn scramble >for a continent some prefer to call the last frontier. > >This time, there are no gun powder and rum, no bibles and preachers. In short, in the place of a civilising agent, you have a >vague phenomenon called globalisation , let loose on poor countries even as its minders try to get a true picture of the monster >they created. > >The Leviathan seems to have seized the global village and taken its inhabitants hostage. Henceforth, the law of the jungle reigns >supreme and only the strong can escape from its clutches. > >The world has learnt as much following ongoing turbulence in the world Economy. > >This has so rattled the famed Asian Tigers of late that African countries who were told to copy the Asiatics have almost given >up. The brief artificial Afro-Optimism of the last couple of years is again giving way to darker pessimism, most manifest in >speeches made by some African leaders at the beginning of the year. > >For instance, in early January, Ghanaian President Jerry Rawlings predicted a tough economic year for his country, exhorting his >people to work extra-hard to counter external forces which threaten the country's development. > >We cannot yet be sure of the extent to which this (gobalisation) will affect the inflow of foreign investment into our economy, or >the degree to which the negative aspects of an increasingly troubled world economy will impact on us, he said. > >Never mind that the west African country is host to one of the world's largest gold reserves or that Ashanti Goldfields Company >is quoted on the London and New York stock markets. Besides, Accra has implemented all the economic and democratic >reforms in the books that made it the darling of the multilateral finance institutions. > >Beyond and above this, serious development economists are not sure if any African country will go into the next millennium with >the slightest hope of a bright prospect for the future. > >The political, economic and social instability in almost all African countries south of the Sahara at this point in time seems to >support this theory. > >If recent pictures of street battles between soldiers and ordinary folk in Zimbabwe over the price on basic commodities do not >tell the story, then what would? Is it the sorry sight of kid-soldiers in bathroom slippers totting AK-47 rifles in central Africa or >the gory sight of slit throats in the back streets of Algiers. > >In today's Africa, it appears acceptable that any thug can mortgage his country's meagre resources for arms and use them to >dislodge an elected government from power in the name of the free market. > >The prospects are frightening and at the same time incomprehensible, says Achille Mbembe, Executive Secretary of the >Dakar-based Council for the Development of Social Science Research. > >How are we to characterise these African times we are living in? Mbembe asked in a lecture on New Economic Frontiers in >Africa he gave at the UN African Institute For Economic Development and Planning, also based in the Senegalese capital. > >The continent is moving in multiple directions simultaneously and at varying speeds and levels that defy characterisation, noted >Mbembe, a Cameroonian history professor. > >He said the colonial period was easy to characterise since everyone knew what the problem was. After that period, things >began to look bad. They became murky in the 1980s and even murkier in the 1990s, as the twin effects of political >democratisation and economic liberalisation began to bite harder. Now it is a dare devil situation. > >The conditions imposed on African countries today are more or less similar to conditions imposed on Germany and Japan after >World War II, Mbembe said. > >Given this scenario one begins to wonder if liberalisation was not supposed to open up the economy, spread wealth across the >broad spectrum of society. Was it not supposed to improve the peoples standard of living in an all inclusive political process >where the people themselves decided who should rule them?. > >These have hardly been the case. Privatisation has become a synonym for corporate greed, while elections are easily >programmed to determine the winner. > >At the same time, aid promised to countries implementing political and economic liberalisation have failed to materialise. Debts >are not being cancelled even in cases where it is obvious that the debtor countries can't pay up. > >Foreign Private investment, the prime mover of globalisation continues to skip Africa as if parts of the continent were leprous. >Where they show up, it is to hastily dip up underground minerals which are spirited away to the metropolis leaving the countries >much worse than they were before. > >The Archbishop of Canterbury, George Carey, had cause to question the morality of rich countries on some of these issues >during a recent visit to Ethiopia, when he reportedly urged Western nations and the multilateral finance institutions to cancel >Africa's 235 billion dollars debt. > >In an emotional speech entitled Chains Around Africa: Crisis or Hope for the New Millennium , he told the diplomatic >community in Addis Ababa last week the debt burden could only be likened to a new form of slavery. Western nations, he said, >had the moral obligation to solve this crisis induced by the huge debt because of their colonial legacy which create many >problems that did not previously exist. > >He noted that 40 million dollars were being drained from African everyday in debt servicing alone, pointing out that for every >one dollar given in aid, three dollars are returned in debt service. The extent to which the chains of indebtedness was >contributing to the overall problems of Africa and the sufferings of her people simply cannot be overestimated, he added. > >Analysts are not sure if such calls really make any impact, considering that Pope John Paul II made a similar call some years >back. Morality and economics do not rob, they argue. Rather, what seems to scare the movers of the free market, especially >the Bretton Woods circles, is the global impact of resistance against adjustment measures as was the case recently in >Zimbabwe. > >Some people feel that fear of this imminent time bomb prompted the reform-minded president of the World Bank, James >Wolfensohn, to initiate his rather belated damage control operation for a humane approach to development. > >At the last annual general meeting of the bank and the IMF in Hong Kong, Wolfensohn acknowledged the bank's past mistakes, >saying the time has come to get back to the dream of inclusive development. > >What we are seeing in the world today is the tragedy of exclusion. Whether you broach it from the social or economic or moral >perspective, this is a challenge we cannot afford to ignore, he said. But we must recognise that we are living with a time bomb >and unless we take action now, it could explode in our children's faces. > >Michel Camdesus, the IMF chief, also spoke about the responsibility of industrial countries to help minimise the social and >cultural costs of integration into the global economy. > >However, for African countries, these amount to mere lip service when compared to the profound crises that would take years >of concerted action to reverse. > >The issue is that many African economies have been so hard hit that some of them would simply be swallowed up by more >fortunate neighbours. The economic frontiers of some states will encroach into smaller neighbours which would continue shrink, >Mbembe noted in his lecture. > >He added: The entanglement of Africa is likely to lead to the fragmentation of public authority and the emergence of private >indirect government. > >Then, the bottom line is that many African countries would revert to the post-Atlantic slave trade era where trade by barter >would replace monetised economy. > >Even so, Mbembe believes that Africans are resilient enough to turn into themselves and like the mythical Phoenix, rise again >from their ashes. > >But wait a minute: There may yet be other eminent companions in the journey to oblivion if American writer William Greider's >new book on globalistion is to believed. > >He says: One world, ready or not, globalisation is a machine with skillful hands on board but no body at the wheels. In fact, the >machine has no wheels nor any internal governor to control the wheel and direction. It is sustained by its own forward motion, >guided mainly by its own appetite. And it is accelerating. > > > > Copyright (c) 1998 Panafrican News Agency. All Rights Reserved. >Gervasio Gabriel Kaliwo >Tel. (00-33-1-45684209) >Fax (00-33-1-45685585) >GKaliwo@UNESCO.ORG > >*********************** >* TO POST TO THE LIST * >*********************** >send your article to NYASANET@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU >
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:27:05 PST From: "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: new member Message-ID: <19980128052705.19638.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain
Greetings: Mbemba Dahada has been added to the list. Welcome to our bantaba and please send an intro. to the group (~300 members) when you have time. Our address is: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
LatJor
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:22:34 -0500 From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> To: "gambia-l@u.washington.edu" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <34D0C8EA.6E88@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
To all the brothers and sisters in Gambia-l Eid is confirmed as per attachment below Happy Eid Habib
info wrote: > > Assalam alaikum, > > The crescent for the new moon of Shawwal was not sighted (with the eye) by > Muslims anywhere across the world today. Therefore we continue to fast > tomorrow (Wednesday) to complete the 30 days. > > Thursday 29th January will be the day of Eid al-Fitr. > > We take this opportunity to say Eid Mubarak to all Muslims! > > We would also like to take this opportunity to thank you for your time in > supporting http://www.ramadhan.org and hope that you return often to this > site which we plan to continue for the rest of the year (with leaflets and audio > material on topical/vital subjects). > > Other sites which we draw to your attention include http://www.khilafah.com > and http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org
-- Habib Diab Ghanim
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 07:01:04 UT From: "Anthony Loum" <sambabalangarr@classic.msn.com> To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: New member Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199801280654580928@classic.msn.com>
Yassin Jobe has been added to the list. We welcome her and are looking forward to her introduction and contributions.
Thanks Tony Loum
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:55:29 PST From: "Momodou Camara" <nijii@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Gro Harlem Brundtland Elected WHO Director-General Message-ID: <19980128075529.22516.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain
January 27, 1998
GENEVA, Switzerland (PANA) - Former Norwegian prime minister Gro Harlem Brundtland was elected on Tuesday as Director-General of the World Health Organisation (WHO), a position for which she was competing with several other candidates, including Africa's candidate, Dr Ebrahim Malick Samba of Gambia.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:54:51 + 0100 MET From: "Alpha Robinson" <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re:My Commentary On What PDOIS Had To Say On The ECONOMY!! Message-ID: <5AA62C3AFD@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Bass,
As HAlifa stated in his posting, the issue of the national economy is a matter which "requires more than common sense economics.... It requires intellectual honesty on the part of decision makers and their fidelity to propositions that are fully grounded on irrefutable premises." I would like to add that this issue is a matter of life and death. If we choose to solve it creatively we can guarantee ourselves and our children a meaningful life under the earth, if we choose to be otherwise we will remain the scum of the earth (please excuse my language)
Bass heed those words for they are very crucial especially to us the "cream of Africa". We the educated ones cannot allow ourselves to indulde in intellectual dishonesty for the hopes of our people are on our shoulders.
Bass PDOIS had stated earlier, well before Jammeh's days in its manifesto what its stand on the private sector is and this is exactly what Halifa reflected on the posting. PDOIS says come private investment well and good but we should not fold our hands and wait for it. Now if you go about calling PDOIS a" socialist or Semi-Socialist party and that as a result the economic strategy it is now putting forward and confidently portraying as the only cure for the economic ailment of our nation are a direct product of Marxian Econnomic analysis which is by default hostile to market forces" it makes me really wonder on two counts: First, I wonder whether you have made any efforts to know what PDOIS' economic policy is. Secondly, I wonder what you were really up to when all of a sudden the cold war jargon downs on you from God knows where. It's awkward because in Halifa's analysis neither Socialism nor Marxism was mentioned.
As I hate to speculate, I'll leave it to you to answer or not answer as you like. One thing is certain though. In your contribution you haven't provided any alternative. To say that the way should be paved for private investors is so cheap that I would not like to believe this is all you have to offer the Gambian people.
Finally, let us be alerrt to the fact that the development of the Gambia entails more than enriching a few educated Gambians. Our people Bass, the vast majority of the Gambian people are living in deplorable conditions. Therefore any policy which attempts to sideline them cannot be a meaningful one. Perhaps it is time Bass for you, me and our likes, the educated Gambians to realise that ALL the Gambian people want to have a better life. I am sure if you were not lucky to be educated you would heve been talking differently today. If you were a farmer earning ONLY one thousand Dalasis or two PER ANNUM you would not be telling us that theMONTHLY salaries of members of perliament SEVEN THOUSAND Dalasis is meagre. If you were an unlucky farmer, you would not have been saying that the resources of the country should be given to a few Gambians to enjoy.
Finally, I would like to add that one does not have to study economics to understand certain very basic things. Of course a person who studies economics is more likely to be exposed to economic issue. I would like to conted here and now though that he who makes it a priority can also become conversat with economic issues without holding a degree in it. Remember that Malcolm X, one of the most influencial African Americans, did not posses any degree in any of the issues he was very eloquent in. Knowlwdge belongs only to those who sought it, so it is nonesense to think that only economic graduates can talk about economic issues.
much respect
Alpha
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Date: 28 Jan 1998 12:34:42 +0100 From: Ba-Musa Ceesay <Ba-Musa.Ceesay@Oslo.Norad.telemax.no> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu (Receipt notification requested) Cc: GAMBIA-L <x400@NORAD.telemax.no> (Receipt notification requested) Subject: (Fwd) Message from Momodou Buhary Gassama Message-ID: <post.ut34cf1685*/c=NO/admd=Telemax/prmd=Norad/o=Oslo/s=Ceesay/g=Ba-Musa/@MHS> Content-Identifier: post.ut34cf1685 Content-Return: Prohibited
I have not been active so far this year because I travelled to Oslo for the holidays.(Where incidentally, the problem of tribalism is as big a problem as anywhere else. I learnt that there were two organisations - the Gambian organisation and one for Mandinkas. There is a Muslim association within which tribalism is playing a big role. Maybe those list members in Oslo can expand on the issue).
Buhary,
As an interest and cultural organisation the Gambian Association in Oslo is a collective endevour and it`s main objectives are to promote the cultural identity and the social well being of all Gambians in Norway. Gambians as individuals have primary interest and aspirations which are some times in conflict with those of the collective endevour.These conflicts of interest and aspirations between individuals and the collective endevour may be the main source of misunderstanding between Gambians generally including the association.
Yes, there are two organisations in Oslo but as we were told the objectives are different. Is the other organisation only for mandinkas, I don`t think so eventhough I am not a member I believe any wollof, jola etc can be a member of that organisation. BTW some members of that socalled mandika group are also members of the Gambian Association and pay their subscriptions regurlarly, attend meetings and activities organise by the Association.
There is a great deal of misunderstanding between Gambians and it is not unsual for members of any community to have some misunderstandings or disagreements over certain issues from time to time.Some Gambians have the impression or opinion that programs of the Gambian association are controlled and managed by a few individuals. Others are just plain jealous, while others see the Association as unfriendly and insensitive that favours certain inviduals and activities at the expence of others. The Gambian Association had been one of the most active immigrant organisations in Oslo (if not the only). The association achieve a lot since it was formed by a group of Gambian seamen in the late 60`s. However tribalism or should I call it urban and rural differences created an atmosphere that is not welcome by the majority of the Gambians out here. But the hope is that an open and honest communication will bring mutual understanding among us. To build a healthy Gambian community we need to talk and listen to each other.
I have been the secretary of both the Gambian association and Islamic movement for many years but my observation within the Islamic movement lately is that only a few individuals who are contributing little to the welfare of the mosque (and with the help of rumourmongers) are exaggerating the extend of the problem. Yes there are problems but are all the problems tribalistic, No.
Regards Ba-Musa
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:58:16 +0100 From: Svend Ole Kvilesjo <svendok@online.no> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Fulani-lessons in Oslo? Message-ID: <34CF1D57.C498A1F1@online.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi!
I wonder if some of you know any person in Oslo capable and willing to teach me som fulani.(Two hours once a week?) Since I have most of my Gambian friends in Bansang/Basse-area, I would like to speak more than mandinka only.
If somebody else want to join me in the lessons, (gambians or toubabs) plase let me know.
Svend Ole Kvilesjoe Freelance journalist & photographer www.kvilesjo.no/gallery.htm svendok@online.no
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:29:57 -0000 From: "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re:My Commentary On What PDOIS Had To Say On The ECONOMY!! Message-ID: <B0000044179@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sent by "Pa Musa Jallow" <pmj@commit.gm> via Commit
Dear Bass Dodou, I want to again commend you again on a superb piece most especially on the "been there" and "done that" of public corporations..it is like the saying that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". Some of us remember the good ole days of PWD and GPMB and GUC when everyone was employed in the "general do nothing". There is no doubt that the RETRENCHMENT during the ERP was much needed..after all GOVT. is not an EMPLOYER but the bare minimum employed at OUR COST FOR OUR COMMON GOOD. It is also important to note that D7000 has the value today as D2400 in 1984 and even less purchasing power...there is no doubt that unless we pay a decent livable wage, we will only attract mediocres to run our institutions and not the best..and CORRUPTIOn or the NEED for it will continue unabated..and GOVT. or PUBLIC SERVICE now faces a growing challenge from a budding PRIVATE SECTOR. The floating and devaluation of the dalasi from D5-to the Pound to now about D17- to the POUNd required adjustment of wages. so in principle I support a full readjustment of wages for civil or public servants and also streamlining the numbers to the bare minimum necessary. However I am quite worried about increased govt. taxes and borrowing and I am speaking from a vantage point..businesses are now being taxed to the extent that tax evasion is a must for survival..besides a pre-tax, increased registration etc..there is now a 10% on turnover called WITHHOLDING tax for service contractors and in 1998, a new D10,000 Services LEVY..I have to go now but I will add further comments later.. anyway I commend BAss on his fine article pmj
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:11:07 +0100 From: LaminLams.Bojang@fco.mh.se (LaminLams Bojang) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: ORGANIATIONS Message-ID: <msg176394.thr-19e8b5.f5472@fco.mh.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-ID: <msg176394.thr-19e8b5.f5472.part0@fco.mh.se>
Are we giving the blame of the multiplying interest organisation to the conflicts within individuals and tribes or is it a result of the developments of the pioneer Gambian organisations?
Why is it wrong to be organized in tribal ,areal or interest groups now? These organisations have there roots back home and they are more positive there(at home) than negative. Organisations and the people live in a symbios. The organisations need members to be an organisation. People need the organisations to fulfill their dreams ,needs, desires or whatever. We cannot expect the people to stay in organisations that do not match their aims and objectives. These people should have the chance as anybody to form or join other organisations that serves their interest. These small organisations should be seen as a positive development because it engages many people in different activities and in special areas of organizing. It might be more interesting to look into the factors that contribute to the increasing interest organisations, than to condemn them. Sure there are negative as well as positve aspects within these organisations, but will these be eradicated when great central organisations(which have many specialities) are created?
Lams
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:02:38 -0500 From: habib <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Gro Harlem Brundtland Elected WHO Director-General Message-ID: <34CF64AE.9FA@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Momodou Camara wrote: > > January 27, 1998 > > GENEVA, Switzerland (PANA) - Former Norwegian prime minister Gro Harlem > Brundtland was elected on Tuesday as Director-General of the World > Health Organisation (WHO), a position for which she was competing with > several other candidates, including Africa's > candidate, Dr Ebrahim Malick Samba of Gambia. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
I wish Dr Samba all the best and hopefully next time he will get it. At least Gambia had a top level candidate( about five from the whole world) Habib -- MZ
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:14:14 -0800 From: MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: (Fwd) Message from Momodou Buhary Gassama Message-ID: <34D00216.653@swipnet.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi Ba-Musa! Thanks for throwing some light on the situation in Oslo. I hope that the brothers and sisters in Oslo will have "open and honest communication" that will foster mutual understanding. Afterall, divisive factors such as tribalism, urban-rural differences etc. cannot but hurt the Gambian cause in Norway. Once again, thanks for the "from base" analysis. I hope like you said that we as Gambians everywhere will realise the fact that "we need to talk and listen to each other" in order to build healthy communities both outside and inside The Gambia. Buharry. -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ba-Musa Ceesay wrote: > > I have not been active so far this year because I > travelled > to Oslo for the holidays.(Where incidentally, the problem of tribalism > is as big a problem as anywhere else. I learnt that there were two > organisations - the Gambian organisation and one for Mandinkas. There > is a Muslim association within which tribalism is playing a big role. > Maybe those list members in Oslo can expand on the issue). > > Buhary, > > As an interest and cultural organisation the Gambian Association in Oslo > is a collective endevour and it`s main objectives are to promote the > cultural identity and the social well being of all Gambians in Norway. > Gambians as individuals have primary interest and aspirations which > are some times in conflict with those of the collective endevour.These > conflicts of interest and aspirations between individuals and the > collective endevour may be the main source of misunderstanding between > Gambians generally including the association. > > Yes, there are two organisations in Oslo but as we were told the > objectives are different. Is the other organisation only for mandinkas, I > don`t think so eventhough I am not a member I believe any wollof, jola > etc can be a member of that organisation. BTW some members of that > socalled mandika group are also members of the Gambian Association and pay > their subscriptions regurlarly, attend meetings and activities organise by > the Association. > > There is a great deal of misunderstanding between Gambians and it is not > unsual for members of any community to have some misunderstandings or > disagreements over certain issues from time to time.Some Gambians have the > impression or opinion that programs of the Gambian association are > controlled and managed by a few individuals. Others are just plain > jealous, while others see the Association as unfriendly and insensitive > that favours certain inviduals and activities at the expence of others. > The Gambian Association had been one of the most active immigrant > organisations in Oslo (if not the only). The association achieve a lot > since it was formed by a group of Gambian seamen in the late 60`s. However > tribalism or should I call it urban and rural differences created an > atmosphere that is not welcome by the majority of the Gambians out here. > But the hope is that an open and honest communication will bring mutual > understanding among us. To build a healthy Gambian community we need to > talk and listen to each other. > > I have been the secretary of both the Gambian association and Islamic > movement for many years but my observation within the Islamic movement > lately is that only a few individuals who are contributing little to the > welfare of the mosque (and with the help of rumourmongers) are > exaggerating the extend of the problem. Yes there are problems but are all > the problems tribalistic, No. > > Regards > Ba-Musa
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:01:16 EST From: BobbySil <BobbySil@aol.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: SEX SCANDAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE Message-ID: <3c1bd756.34cf8e8e@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
List members,
I am really surprised that nobody is talking about the alleged sex scandal involving President Clinton. Is this been avoided because it deals with sex and generally in our Gambian culture, this topic is always pushed under the rug, never to be discussed, or could it be the "Ramadan." Sorry, but I was taught that these things can be discussed even in the Holy month. How can it be avoided, its on TV 24/7, on front pages of every major news papers, and on our very own internet. Oh, I know what, it's not a Gambian issue, i.e; its not Pres. Jammeh allegedly cheating on the first lady. Hey, I'm trying to beat around the bush until somebody wakes me up. Ok, I'm up , lets talk about it. What do you think?
Should the Pres. be impeached if proven that he had sex with Monica Lewinsky and lied to cover it up? Remember water gate! If we are to continue to live in this global village, I think we have to be globally dimensioned. Please lets start discussing these issues and continue with those concerning our beloved Gambia if this is to be real "Bantaba."
IMHO, I do not care who the Pres. is making out with, so long as the alleged infidelity is not impeding his job, and I do not see any evidence of that. As Geraldo puts it, "the American people are not worried about Monica Lewinsky or Paula Jones, all they worry about is the DOW JONES."
Finally, if I intrude on anybody's space for bringing up this so considered "super-sensitive issue" in Gambian context, I am extremely sorry. To the rest of you, keep the debate on.
Happy Eid
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:42:28 PST From: "astrid christensen-tasong" <attatas@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SEX SCANDAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE Message-ID: <19980128214234.9308.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain
>From gambia-l-owner@u.washington.edu Wed Jan 28 13:00:59 1998 >Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) > by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP > id MAA08696; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:01:59 -0800 >Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) > by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP > id MAA18584 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:01:35 -0800 >Received: from imo27.mail.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.155]) > by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP > id MAA00519 for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:01:34 -0800 >Message-Id: <3c1bd756.34cf8e8e@aol.com> >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:01:16 EST >Reply-To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu >Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu >Precedence: bulk >From: BobbySil <BobbySil@aol.com> >To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> >Subject: SEX SCANDAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > >List members, > >I am really surprised that nobody is talking about the alleged sex scandal >involving President Clinton. Is this been avoided because it deals with sex >and generally in our Gambian culture, this topic is always pushed under the >rug, never to be discussed, or could it be the "Ramadan." Sorry, but I was >taught that these things can be discussed even in the Holy month. How can it >be avoided, its on TV 24/7, on front pages of every major news papers, and on >our very own internet. Oh, I know what, it's not a Gambian issue, i.e; its not >Pres. Jammeh allegedly cheating on the first lady. Hey, I'm trying to beat >around the bush until somebody wakes me up. Ok, I'm up , lets talk about it. >What do you think? > >Should the Pres. be impeached if proven that he had sex with Monica Lewinsky >and lied to cover it up? Remember water gate! If we are to continue to live in >this global village, I think we have to be globally dimensioned. Please lets >start discussing these issues and continue with those concerning our beloved >Gambia if this is to be real "Bantaba." > >IMHO, I do not care who the Pres. is making out with, so long as the alleged >infidelity is not impeding his job, and I do not see any evidence of that. As >Geraldo puts it, "the American people are not worried about Monica Lewinsky or >Paula Jones, all they worry about is the DOW JONES." > >Finally, if I intrude on anybody's space for bringing up this so considered >"super-sensitive issue" in Gambian context, I am extremely sorry. To the rest >of you, keep the debate on. > >Happy Eid >
Hi Bobby,
I personally discuss this issue all day at work and at home. For that reason, I'm glad that list members have been focusing on other issues. My conclusion from the onset as The First Lady Hillary Rodham- Clinton put it is; a vast right-wing conspiracy...which I simply call Republican tactics.
President Clinton in my opinion is doing a fabulous job and as far as the allegations are concerned, he is innocent till PROVEN guilty. I also feel the media is totally out of control and are to blame in sensationalizing this story.
regards, Astrid
P.S. I didn't quite understand what you meant by "super sensitive" issue in Gambian context. I'm curious!
Astrid Christensen-Tasong email address: work: astrid@wbgh.com home: attatas@hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:11:20 -0500 (EST) From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> To: Gambia <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: SEX SCANDAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9801281646.A27887-0100000@mach1.wlu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> IMHO, I do not care who the Pres. is making out with, so long as the > alleged infidelity is not impeding his job, and I do not see any evidence of that.
I totally agree. I don't see what one issue has to do with the other unless of course it is affecting his ability to do his work. Him sleeping with who ever is a marital problem and should be treated as such. I think the media is really bored and need to find something else to talk about..eg why the "first" world countries are dumping toxic wastes in the "third" world. Maybe, just maybe, they can justify it.....yeah right!! Basically, Bill and Hillary Clinton should be allowed to handle their marital problems in private. Yes, they're public figures and as such, have put themselves at the mercy of the public. But most importantly, they are human beings no matter what, and should be allowed their privacy when what they have to discuss has nothing to do with the running of the US. Ancha.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:29:24 -0500 (EST) From: Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: WHY AINT THE ECONOMIC BAND PLAYING (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.94.980128184424.20858C-100000@minerva.cis.yale.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE
Hi Folks, =09=09=09=09=09 =20 Here is something else. It is actually in two parts, one of which is a reaction to the piece on Globalisation and Africa that I forwarded to you yesterday, and the other is a comment on what someone said on the above subject. I tried to get the original piece that the second comentator is reacting to, but I couldn't get it. But, as you will see, the second bit can stand on its own too, and is quite clear as it is. I think these two pieces are also relevant to the dabate on Halifa's letter to the Secretary of State.=20 =09=09 =20 My own view is that, as Halifa seems to suggest, it is high time we start being more critical about some of the things that come to us from so many different quarters, and start looking at the world from our own stand point.=20 =09=09=09=09=09 We have a very basic problem, that of finding a way of making life not only worth living for as many people as possible, but even enjoyable!!! It is actually quite a shame that so many people in Africa still have to experience 'hungry seasons', die of diseases that don't kill anybody in, say, America or Sweden any more, or live in squalor.=20
We have seen enough of the private sector, and of the market to be able to avoid all uncritical celebrations of either of them. Or of retrenchment of public servants, etc. There was certainly a lot of dead wood in our civi= l service, but I don't see any good in the retrenchment of primary school teachers at a time when there weren't enough of them....
If we look at the world around us, or look back into the past century or so of world history, what we see is that whereever meaningful 'developme= nt' has taken place, there was a vision, carried by a strong desire to make life better and a commitment to the countries and societies where it happened.=20 =09=09=09=09 Anyway, here are the two pieces that I think some of you might find interes= ting...
Cheers again, and have a great Korite!
FIRST PIECE: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:29:01 -0500 (EST) From: harey@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> To: Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu
=09=09 (...) About the piece on Globalisation, I think it is important to place Af= rica's underdevelopment in a global political-economy or historical context. I think that any attempt to understand Africa's problems outside of a global context is trying to solve a puzzle with only a fraction of the pieces. The comentator does not = seem to address the problems to which he refers from a global institutional perspective, although he acknowledges that the global IFI are major players. In one place, he sounds like a neo-liberal. Maybe blaming the victim--not that all are victims to the same degree/of the same type.
I think he is totalling off in his comparison of the current relationship of IFI to Africa, as that to Japan and Germany after WWII. I know a different kind of history maybe. US capitalist practice toward Japan was kind and gentle--very much UNLIKE Western capitalist extraction and domination in Africa beginning with the TransAtlantic slave trade. And didn't the US create the Marshall Plann for the sole purpose of rebuilding Europe's economies (including that of Germany) of course part of the reason was so that the US would have trade partners. And the Marshall Plan was grants (mostly I think) not loans. That makes a substantial difference. IFIs have treated Japan and Germany very differently for the way they have treated AFrica... =09=09=09=09=09=09=09
SECOND PIECE >=20 >=20 > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:52:06 -0500 (EST) > From: Richard Nyirongo <rn362390@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> > To: Lisa Aubrey <aubrey@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> > Subject: Re: WHY AINT THE ECONOMIC BAND PLAYING (fwd) >=20 > >=20 > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:21:45 +0100 > From: Thandika Mkandawire <i31776@INET.UNI-C.DK> > To: NYASANET@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU > Subject: Re: WHY AINT THE ECONOMIC BAND PLAYING >=20 > Your frustration is understandable. Although the economists from Bretton > Woods Institutions at times sound as if they have the solution, in their > moments of candour, they are as puzzled as everyone else with the failure= of > the nostrums in Africa. Why haven't savings gone up with interest rates, = why > is the private sector not investing given the putatitely more favourable > environment? why has the export sector not picked up following devaluatio= n? > The problem lies largely in the wholesale jettisoning of the core content= of > "development economics" with its awareness of structural rigidities, > information asymmetries, market failure, externalities etc. and its > replacement by a policy-framework based on neo-classical axioms of the > textbook type. It is interesting to note that most of the Asian countrie= s > currently experiencing the financial melt-down were touted as "miracles" = who > respected the kind of "fundamentals" we are being told to respect. > You are right in suggesting that we ought to rely on our own knowledge on > how our economy is constructed, how key actors respond to particular > incentives etc.. Our reliance on peripatetic advisors who have left ruins > all over the world but remain unaccountable to anyone is the cause of a l= ot > of our suffering. The blame ultimately falls on us for lack of > self-confidence and and for our naivet=E9 and belief that people who have > spent a day in Malawi are somehow "experts" . >=20 > Thandika >=20 > ********************* > * TO LEAVE NYASANET * > ********************* > write to LISTSERV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU and, in the body of your message > (not the subject line), write: SIGNOFF NYASANET >=20 >=20 >=20
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:35:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh) Subject: Eid day??? Message-ID: <199801290235.VAA19949@hemlock.ffr.mtu.edu> Content-Type: text
Can someone tell us when Eid day is? Can Drammeh Kunda in the Middle East tell us the situation in their part of the world? I hope ya all had nice Ramadan.
Jaiteh Kunda Nkoo
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:25:43 -0600 From: "Katim S. Touray" <dekat@itis.com> To: "Gambia-l" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Fw: M$ Monitor: Contact DOJ Message-ID: <199801290237.UAA07725@tower.itis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
---------- > From: Audrie Krause <audrie@netaction.org> > To: > Subject: M$ Monitor: Contact DOJ > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 2:17 AM > > The Micro$oft Monitor > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
> Published by NetAction Issue No. 22 January 28, 1998 > Repost where appropriate. Copyright and subscription info at end of message. > * * * * * * * > In This Issue: > One Small Victory Over Microsoft > Campus Technology Takeover Still On Hold > About the Micro$oft Monitor > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
> > One Small Victory Over Microsoft > A report by Nathan Newman, NetAction Project Director > > Advocates for open technology standards won a minor victory this past > week with Microsoft's agreement to honor the initial court order > pursued by the Department of Justice. That initial court order > prohibits Microsoft from forcing computer makers to give Internet > Explorer automatic placement on every Windows desktop as a condition > for purchasing Windows itself. > > Combined with Netscape's announcement that it will be giving Navigator > away free just like Explorer, there is now a glimmer of hope that > Microsoft's Internet juggernaut will be successfully challenged. > > WHAT YOU CAN DO: > E-mail the Department of Justice to Expand the Investigation > > ** Thank DOJ for its pursuit of Microsoft's monopoly abuses > ** Urge DOJ to expand the scope of its investigation > > Send E-mail to: <antitrust@usdoj.gov> or link directly to a mail form: > <Mailto:antitrust@usdoj.gov>. > > For more information, contact Nathan Newman, at: <nathan@netaction.org>, or > link directly to a mail form: <Mailto:nathan@netaction.org>. > > Keep in mind that this victory should be acknowledged for the rather minor > step forward that it is, since the agreement addresses the rather gratuitous > coercive tactics used by Microsoft. The Department of Justice has > not yet fully addressed the monopolistic advantages Microsoft has that > makes coercive agreements a sideshow to the real economic power it has > within computing. > > The fact that Microsoft has chosen to give Explorer away has always > marked the fact that this is not a traditional battle for "market > share" between competing products, but rather a battle for > technological and economic control of far more than just browser > software. > > NetAction has maintained that Microsoft should be barred from giving > away its software as a prima facie act of monopolistic dumping. > > On one hand, if Microsoft is serious that it's only concern is with > "integrating" Explorer into Windows 98, its history of free browser > software giveaways up to this point must be treated as predatory pricing > aimed at enhancing the value of its existing operating system > monopoly. The very fact that Microsoft is integrating Explorer into > Windows should be a basis not only for exploring monopolistic > practices in the marketing of browser software, but in the sales and > building of Microsoft's core operating system itself. By integrating > various kinds of software into its operating system, Microsoft has > liquidated whole areas of software competition while increasing the > Windows "tax" it collects on nearly every personal computer sold. The > absorption of Explorer into Windows would make its giveaway of "free" > Explorer software expensive for consumers over the long term if > history is a guide. > > The Department of Justice is emphasizing the monopoly aspects of > Microsoft's marketing of Internet Explorer, but the proposed > integration with Windows 98 should be cause to reopen the broader > issue of Microsoft's monopoly of the whole desktop operating > environment. NetAction has called on the DOJ to push for Microsoft to > spin off its operating system as a separate company from its > applications and Internet divisions. > > At its heart, however, the controversy over browser software is about > the most fundamental power issues of the information age -- who will > control the technical standards that underlie the Internet and who will > control Internet commerce for the new century. > > Microsoft's approach to giving browsers away is about controlling > Internet standards embedded in the browser not in order to win shares > in that "product" market but to sell to a whole slew of other market > areas through the raw exercise of the control of technical standards, > rather than through competition in those areas. > > Dumping browsers on the market for free is not about gaining "market > share" in any traditional sense, but about controlling those standards > and the billions of dollars that will flow to the company that > controls them. If the dominant Internet browser is designed not to > "read" a certain kind of information -- a kind of graphics, software > effect, etc. -- then web page designers will be loathe to use that kind > of information or technology, while they will have to support software > standards that are compatible with the dominant browser. And if you > are a software company like Microsoft selling web servers and web design > software, and are also involved in an array of Internet commerce, you have an > overriding interest in controlling those Web standards. > > The Department of Justice has to move beyond its particularistic > focus on browser software to vigorously support the principle of open > technical standards controlled by no single company. Without the > possibility of developing proprietary standards, Microsoft will have > to compete based on innovation rather than raw economic power. > > NetAction urges you to email the Department of Justice and ask them to > support the following principles: > > 1. Divestiture: At a minimum, Microsoft's Windows operating system > monopoly should be split off into a separate company from the > application and Internet divisions. This would end the inherent > opportunities for abuse of one company competing in application > markets while controlling the "field" of competition as well. It may > also prove necessary to separate Microsoft's application and Internet > divisions. > > 2. Restrain Predation: Stop Microsoft from giving away browser > products. Since $0.00 is below any measure of cost, it meets the > traditional test for predatory pricing (sustaining below cost pricing > with monopoly profits in order to drive out competition and then raise > price). > > 3. Licensing: Microsoft should be forced to discontinue any > licensing practices (NT, database server, etc.) that restrict customer > dealings with competitors or require customer use of Microsoft products. > Exclusive dealing and tying the purchase of one product to purchase of > another should be unlawful for this monopolist where linked to the > operating system. > > 4. Open Standards: The government should more vigorously support open > standards processes and endeavor to defend open standards developed > through industry standards processes from anticompetitive abuse by > Microsoft. > > 5. Consumer Involvement: The government must establish processes to > ensure participation by Internet users in public policy decisions > effecting consumer use of the Internet, including appropriate > mechanisms for addressing complaints about product marketing and the > quality and reliability of Internet services. > > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
> > Campus Technology Takeover Still On Hold > > NetAction has other progress to report in the fight for open computing > standards. Working with faculty, students and staff throughout the > state of California, NetAction has helped to rally opposition to > a technology deal that would give a for-profit corporation owned by > Microsoft, GTE, Hughes and Fujitsu monopoly control of technology at > the 360,000 student California State University (CSU) system. > > After NetAction Program Director Nathan Newman and other CETI > opponents testified at a January 6 hearing of the state Legislature, > support for the CETI initiative was obviously shaken among legislators. > In a public letter to the CSU administration, California Assembly Members > Jim Cuneen and Debra Bowen called on CSU officials to radically revise their > technology plans for the university. As the San Francisco Chronicle > reported on January 22, the legislators wrote, "As proposed, CETI may lock > the state into technological solutions that are likely to become obsolete
> before the term of the agreement runs out. We want to encourage CSU to move > away from a process that effectively awards exclusive rights to any > company.'' > > Similarly, California Senate Majority Whip Leroy Greene wrote a letter to > CSU campus newspaper editors raising serious concerns about the CETI > proposal. He specifically cited testimony by NetAction's Nathan Newman > that, "Given the size and importance of the California State > University system, CETI's monopoly nature will give Microsoft a > massive strategic advantage in its ongoing effort to monopolize global > software and Internet standards." Senator Greene further noted that > the Legislative Counsel's analysis had highlighted four ways in which > CETI violates the state Constitution. > > A second round of hearings on CETI is planned for the end of > February, and NetAction will continue to mobilize public pressure to > assure that California's universities remain a place of innovation and open > standards, not a private training ground for Microsoft technology. > > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
> > About The Micro$oft Monitor > > The Micro$oft Monitor is a free electronic newsletter, published as part of > the Consumer Choice Campaign <http://www.netaction.org/msoft/ccc.html>. > NetAction is a national, non-profit organization dedicated to educating the > public, policy makers, and the media about technology-based social and > political issues, and to teaching activists how to use the Internet for > organizing, outreach, and advocacy. > > To subscribe to The Micro$oft Monitor, write to: <majordomo@netaction.org>. > The body of the message should state: <subscribe monitor>. To unsubscribe > at any time, send a message to: <majordomo@netaction.org>. The body of the > message should state: <unsubscribe monitor> > > NetAction is seeking sponsors to provide financial support for the continued > publication of the Micro$oft Monitor. Sponsors will be acknowledged in the > newsletter and on NetAction's Web site. NetAction is supported by > individual contributions, membership dues and grants. > > For more information about contributing to NetAction, or sponsoring the > Micro$oft Monitor, contact Audrie Krause by phone: (415) 775-8674, by > E-mail: <mailto:audrie@netaction.org>, visit the NetAction Web site at: > <http://www.netaction.org>, or write to: > NetAction * 601 Van Ness Ave., No. 631 * San Francisco, CA 94102 > > To learn more about how activists can use the Internet for grassroots > organizing, outreach, and advocacy, subscribe to NetAction Notes, a free > electronic newsletter published twice a month. > > To subscribe to NetAction Notes, send a message to: <majordomo@netaction.org> > The body of the message should state: <subscribe netaction>. To unsubscribe > at any time, send a message to: <majordomo@netaction.org>. The body of the > message should state: <unsubscribe netaction>. > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
> > Copyright 1998 by NetAction/The Tides Center. All rights reserved. > Material may be reposted or reproduced for non-commercial use provided > NetAction is cited as the source. NetAction is a project of The Tides > Center, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. > >
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:26:07 -0600 From: "Katim S. Touray" <dekat@itis.com> To: "Gambia-l" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Fw: Africa: Policy Outlook 1998 Message-ID: <199801290237.UAA07743@tower.itis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
---------- > From: apic@igc.org > To: apic@igc.org > Subject: Africa: Policy Outlook 1998 > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 9:23 AM > > Africa: Policy Outlook 1998 > Date distributed (ymd): 980128 > APIC Document > > +++++++++++++++++++++Document Profile+++++++++++++++++++++ > > Region: Continent-Wide > Issue Areas: +political/rights+ +economy/development+ > +security/peace+ +US policy focus+ > Summary Contents: > This posting contains a summary overview of expected Africa > policy issues for the year, with a focus on U.S. policy. It > also contains a request to readers to suggest priority reading > for President Clinton on his expected trip to Africa. > > +++++++++++++++++end profile++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Africa Policy Outlook 1998 > > As Africa moves into 1998, observers on the continent as well > as outside are divided on whether to emphasize new hopes or > the persistence of old problems. There is evidence to support > each view. The continent's economic growth is stronger than > at any time since the early 1970s. But Africa still accounts > for a small fraction of world trade and investment, and > macroeconomic growth is accompanied by stagnant or declining > living conditions for the majority of Africans. > > Last year saw the removal of one of the continent's > longest-surviving dictators, Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire (now > the Democratic Republic of Congo). But the prospects for the > new Congo government are uncertain. Conflict continues in > eastern Congo and in the adjacent Great Lakes countries of > Rwanda and Burundi, and in many other countries as well. The > demand for democracy continues to grow, with an increasing > number of groups engaged in different aspects of that > struggle. But momentum is hobbled by ambiguous results, > disillusionment, and quarrels among elites--a pattern that is > unlikely to change decisively in 1998. > > Neither "Afro-pessimism" nor "Afro-optimism" captures what is > really a very mixed picture. The situation is different from > country to country, sector to sector, observer to observer. > Yet there can be no doubt that Africa is taking its own > initiatives to address the problems of the "second > independence" era. These range from grassroots efforts at > survival to regional initiatives for cooperation among both > governments and institutions of civil society. > > Economic Progress and Setbacks > > Africa's growth rate in 1996 exceeded 5%. Although the rate > was expected to drop back to 3.4% for 1997, some estimates > project up to 4.7% growth for 1998. These results are higher > than the 2% growth of the early 1990s. However, they are > still insufficient to reduce the highest average poverty rates > in the world. Food security in several African regions in > 1998 is expected to be threatened further by El Nino's effects > on the weather. > > A recent report from the International Labor Organization > estimates that in Sub-Saharan Africa, the proportion of the > population living in poverty will increase to over 50% by the > year 2000. Unemployment in Africa's large cities is more than > 20% and is expected to approach 30% by the end of the decade. > Critics of the structural adjustment packages of the last > decade--and even many analysts within the international > financial institutions--stress that African countries are > unlikely to break out of this trap without massive investment > in education, health and public infrastructure. Doing so will > require mobilization of domestic resources and private foreign > investment. It will also require steps to reverse the > downward trend in international aid and to address the > continent's crushing debt burden. > > The World Bank/International Monetary Fund initiative for > highly indebted poor countries resulted in approval of > substantial debt relief packages for Uganda and Burkina Faso > in 1997, with Mozambique and Cote d'Ivoire in line for 1998. > But the size and pace of the relief still falls short of what > is needed. The continent's annual debt service payments are > predicted to rise from $30 billion in 1996 to $33 billion in > 1998, a figure equivalent to 24% of total exports. African > and international NGOs and churches will continue to work for > greater debt reductions in 1998. > > Ongoing Conflicts > > Fighting continues in Sudan, Algeria, and the Great Lakes > region, with little prospect of resolution during the year. > These wars have caused casualties in large numbers and have > had crippling economic effects. More limited conflicts > afflict other countries, including Uganda and Senegal. Peace > agreements being implemented in Angola, Sierra Leone, and the > Central African Republic are fragile and incomplete. The > military victory of Sassou-Nguesso in the civil war in Congo > (Brazzaville) last year brought a new government to power. > Sassou-Nguesso has promised a transition to civilian rule, but > so far the stability of his government is based on military > victory, not legitimacy. > > In Burundi, neither sanctions by regional states nor attempts > at mediation have diminished the conflict between the > Tutsi-dominated military regime and Hutu rebel forces. > Regional observers also see increasing signs of coordination > among extremist Hutu forces and their allies in attacks in > Burundi, Rwanda and eastern Congo. These forces were > responsible for the genocide against Tutsis and moderate Hutus > in Rwanda in 1994 and they still openly advocate the > extermination of the remaining Tutsis. Their resurgence has > also led to increasing abuses against civilians in the > counterinsurgency campaigns by Rwanda and Congo (Kinshasa). > > In Sudan, opponents of the fundamentalist military regime have > seen their military prospects improve. But there is little > hope of peace any time soon. In Algeria the death toll from > massacres continues to mount. Extremist guerrillas, who > previously targeted mainly government supporters, educated > women and intellectuals, are increasingly going after > ordinary villagers as well. The military regime's primary > response is repression, which is often indiscriminate and > which has been unsuccessful in curbing the violence. The > international community is growing more concerned but the > response in 1998 is likely be limited to calls for > investigations. > > Among campaigners for democracy on the continent, Nigeria will > remain the major focus this year. The military regime of > General Sani Abacha has promised to return the country to > civilian rule by October, but has stepped up repressive > measures against its opponents. Almost no one except the > regime's own supporters gives credence to Abacha's promise, > but there is debate about what measures can be taken to put > pressure on the regime. > > In various other African countries, there is a persistent gap > between governments' public commitment to democracy and a > reality which falls far short of that ideal. To cite only a > few examples, ruling governments in Kenya, Zambia and Ethiopia > can all claim mandates from recent elections, in 1997, 1996 > and 1995 respectively, as can Cote d'Ivoire from 1995/96. But > in each case critics cite major flaws in the electoral process > and repression of the opposition. > > In "no-party" Uganda and one-party Eritrea, critics deplore > the absence of competitive national elections. But supporters > of those governments point to development initiatives under > way and to opportunities for popular participation and debate > on public issues that exceed those in many countries that have > held elections. > > There is particular uncertainty about the extent to which > criticism should be leveled against the new governments of > Rwanda and Congo (Kinshasa). Some see Kagame in Rwanda and > Kabila in Congo (Kinshasa) as part of a self-reliant new > generation of African leaders who can move their countries > forward, despite their emphasis on stability rather than > democratic rights. Some contend that under the circumstances, > democracy is a luxury that must be put off for later. At the > other extreme, some critics say these new leaders are just as > bad as their predecessors (the genocidal former Rwandan > government and the Mobutu dictatorship). The South African > government, among others, has emphasized the potential for > cooperation with the new governments, and the fact that they > do face real security threats. But many observers stress the > danger of ignoring human rights abuses and delays in > democratization. It will continue to be difficult for > nongovernmental organizations as well as governments to shape > policies that promote constructive engagement and > reconstruction without providing support for authoritarian > government actions. > > U.S. Policy Questions > > Attention to African issues by U.S. officials, never great, > may be on a modest upswing. First Lady Hillary Clinton > visited Africa in March 1997, and Secretary of State Madeleine > Albright went in December; both President Clinton and > Vice-President Gore are expected to make Africa trips this > year. Secretary Albright has named the Africa Growth and > Opportunity Act as one of the Administration's top four > foreign policy issues in 1998. In the larger picture, though, > Africa is still very low on the agenda in U.S. foreign policy > circles. In its Winter 1997 issue, for example, the > influential Foreign Policy journal graded the President with > three analysts from Europe, two from Asia, and one each from > Latin America, the Middle East and Russia but none from > Africa. And Africa rated less than a sentence in the > President's State of the Union address on January 27. > > Among the key unanswered questions about U.S. Africa policy in > 1998: > > * Will the Africa Growth and Opportunity Act, and similar > initiatives to promote U.S. trade and investment, be balanced > by attention to African development priorities that include > equity and sustainability? > > * Will verbal support for African self-reliance and > reconstruction be matched by a willingness to invest increased > U.S. resources through multilateral institutions, African > governments and civil society, as well as the private sector? > > * What will the U.S. government do to support the struggle > for democracy in Nigeria and around the continent, while > avoiding the "one-size-fits-all" approach on the one hand and > opportunistic excuses for human rights violations on the > other? > > ************************************************************ > > Suggest a Book about Africa for President Clinton > (and other US officials) > > Suppose you were asked to suggest a book for President > Clinton's airplane reading on his announced trip to South > Africa and several other African countries in March (see > http://www.africanews.org/usafrica for the most recent news on > the trip). What would you suggest? Let us know at > books@africapolicy.org, and we'll put your suggestion, along > with your one- or two-sentence comment on the book, on our web > site (http://www.africapolicy.org). > > We'll also pass the accumulated suggestions on to the White > House before the trip. Of course, we can't guarantee the > President will take the suggestion! But we think your > considered recommendations will also be useful for other > officials and for visitors to our web site, where it will be > possible to order those among the suggested books that are in > stock at the on-line bookstore amazon.com. > > Please suggest books in print that are available to the US > public -- or if you do suggest an out-of-print classic or > another hard-to-find book, please give details on how someone > can get a copy. Only one suggestion per person, please. > > APIC's Senior Research Fellow William Minter starts out by > suggesting a new book out just this month: > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Karl Maier, Into the House of the Ancestors: Inside the New > Africa (New York: John Wiley & Sons, January 1998). 278 pages. > ISBN: 047113547X (if you order from amazon.com through the > ISBN link in this document on our web site -- > http://www.africapolicy.org/docs98/afpo98.htm -- you get a 30% > discount and APIC gets a 15% referral fee from Amazon). > > Exceptional among books by Western journalists, this readable > report finds inspiration in and presents the voices of > ordinary Africans who are drawing on their heritage and > building the future around the continent. Without avoiding > the horrors and problems--from genocide in Rwanda to child > soldiers to AIDS--Maier stresses the initiative and > determination of rarely acknowledged individuals finding the > way ahead one step at a time. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > How to do it: > > To make processing your suggestion easier, just put this form > in an e-mail to books@africapolicy.org (clip and paste the form > into a new message) and fill in the blanks. Your answers can > be more than one line, but please keep within the brackets and > don't delete them. > > 1. <title of book> > [ ] > > 2. <author(s) of book> > [ ] > > 3. <place of publication> > [ ] > > 4. <publisher> > [ ] > > 4. <year of publication> > [ ] > > 6. <mailing address and other contact information for > publisher> > [ ] > > 7. <URL of publishers' web site, if available> > [ ] > > 8. <your one- or two-sentence comment on the book> > [ ] > > 9. <your name> > [ ] > > 10. <your title and institutional affiliation, or other > identification> > [ ] > > 11. <your city and country of residence> > > [ ] > > ************************************************************ > This material is produced and distributed by the > Africa Policy Information Center (APIC), the educational > affiliate of the Washington Office on Africa. APIC's primary > objective is to widen the policy debate in the United States > around African issues and the U.S. role in Africa, by > providing accessible policy-relevant information and analysis > usable by a wide range of groups and individuals. > > Auto-response addresses for more information (send any e-mail > message): africapolicy-info@igc.apc.org (about the Africa > Policy Electronic Distribution List); apic-info@igc.apc.org > (about APIC); woa-info@igc.apc.org (about WOA). Documents > previously distributed, as well as the auto-response > information files, are also available on the Web at: > http://www.africapolicy.org. > > To be added to or dropped from the distribution list write to > apic@igc.apc.org. > > For additional information: Africa Policy Information Center, > 110 Maryland Ave. NE, #509, Washington, DC 20002. Phone: > 202-546-7961. Fax: 202-546-1545. E-mail: apic@igc.apc.org. > ************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:42:11 -0500 (EST) From: Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Cc: NSGA@commit.gm Subject: The University Extension Programme (UEP) Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.94.980128204207.16240A-100000@minerva.cis.yale.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Hi Folks, First of all, I apologise for the long silence. I traveled out of the country, came back, and traveled again, this time to Gambia and Senegal, and stayed away for a month or so. And in my absence, my mail box got full and, since I was not around, I could not respond to the warning signals in time. So, my e-mail account got closed for a couple of weeks, and I fell off the Bantaba. But, as you see, I am back, and very happy to be on the Bantaba again.
While in Gambia, I went to see the authorities at the University Extension Programme. Two of the issues we discussed were the following: i) The idea of a book collection & donation campaign for the University, College and National Libraries, that was discussed on this Bantaba a few months ago. The person I spoke to acknowledged the importance of books to all universities. Infact, he said documentation is probably one of the most important problems that they are confronted with. Teachers are obliged to provide their own course/reading material for the students. Those coming from Saint Mary's University xerox important journal articles, etc and take them along to The Gambia when going to teach courses. However, he said they are also confronted with a space problem. They have no place called a library exclusively belonging to the UEP. What they have is some space at the Library of the MDI where to keep books on reserve for the UEP students. While this is very helpful to he UEP, it is not quite enough for a University library. An additional difficulty in handling donated books would be the handling and other logistical issues that may arise, at a time when they are still a small team, with a staff of just a few people. The UEP, as we all know, is a provisional arrangement, an experiment that is extremely promising, but it is still a provisional arrangement. Some of the tasks that need to be carried out will be carried out by the University of Gambia, when the UEP is phased into it. ii) The second issue is, precisely, staffing, particularly teaching staff. The UEP is interested in getting more Gambian teachers/lecturers. Right now they have three Gambians among the faculty. A fourth one has been (or is about to be recruited). All faculty are faculty of the University of Saint-Mary's, Halifax. Gambian teachers are also normally recruited as Adjunct Professors of Saint-Mary's. Normally, courses are taught one at a time. Therefore, Gambian teachers need not be unemployed to teach there: they can arrange to be on leave for one month or so and use that time to teach at the UEP. Those who are interested in a teaching position at the UEP can therefore send their CVs to the following address:
University Extension Programme P.O. Box 133 Banjul. Phone: 220-37 42 54 Fax: 220-37 42 56 E-mail: NSGA@commit.gm
On the issue of giving books, I have also discussed with the Director of Publications of CODESRIA, in Dakar. As part of its policy of supporting African Universities, CODESRIA is willing to give some of the books it has published, as well as past issues of its journals. All that the UEP needs to do is to send some one to go to Dakar to collect them. CODESRIA is also willing to henceforth send one copy of every issue of each one of its journals (Africa Development, Afrika Zamani (a journal of history), the African Sociological Review, The African Journal of International Relations, and CODESRIA Bulletin) to the UEP library, and copies of all new books and working papers, as it does with other universities. I have informed the UEP official I met.
I think we should continue the conversation with the UEP officials, and with the authorities of the other institutions to see how/if we can help. This, I guess, is something the Education Committee can coordinate. I am also copying this message to the UEP, for information, with the hope that if there are inaccuracies in what I have written,they will correct them. They may also want to clarify certain issues or add a few more to those raised above.
With all best wishes !
Ebrima Sall CODESRIA & Yale.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:12:56 EST From: SANG1220 <SANG1220@aol.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Scandal Message-ID: <1ce6a188.34cfe5aa@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Bobby, I don't think people are refraining from discussing the scandal in D.C rather I suspect everybody is busy getting ready for ramadan or waiting to see how this thing unfolds. A word to the wise, for the pres. to be impeached, it requires that he be found guilty of using the office of the presidency illegally. The mere allegation of a sexual act does not constitude an impaechable offense, rather if he's found to have suborne perjury he could be in trouble. Even here, problem arises because it becomes a he say, she say senario. Perhaps we should wait and see where the chips fall before delving into it with vigor. Thanks Daddy Sang
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:57:30 -0500 (EST) From: Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Eid day??? Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.94.980128215120.16240B-100000@minerva.cis.yale.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
About four hours ago, I spoke to a relative in Senegal, who happens to be an Imam, and he told me that a Declaration has been issued, saying that Eid day is Friday.
Ebrima.
On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Malanding S. Jaiteh wrote:
> Can someone tell us when Eid day is? Can Drammeh Kunda in the Middle East tell > us the situation in their part of the world? I hope ya all had > nice Ramadan. > > Jaiteh Kunda Nkoo >
Ebrima Sall iiimmmll
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:12:19 -0500 From: "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Scandal Message-ID: <34CFF393.7D27@Mail.lig.bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
SANG1220 wrote: > > A word to the wise, for the pres. to be impeached, it > requires that he be found guilty of using the office of the presidency > illegally.
To be impeached is not the same thing as removal from office. The term simply means charging the president with wrongdoing. No US president has ever been removed from office as a result of the process. Only Andrew Johnson (from Tennessee) was impeached by the House but he remained in office since his detractors were one vote short of the necessary two-thirds of the Senate required to convict him.
KEY STAGES IN THE PROCESS Step One: House Judiciary Committee conducts investigations and/or hearings and makes a recommendation to the full House of Representatives. (Nixon balked after the HJC recommended impeachment.)
Step Two: If impeachment is recommended, the full House votes on the matter. A majority is required to IMPEACH the President.
Step Three: The Senate tries the president, with the Chief Justice presiding. Two-thirds of the body must vote for conviction for the president to be removed.
In this intensely partisan climate and system, who expects Clinton to be impeached, convicted, and removed from office? NOT ME!!
Amadou
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:38:38 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Eid day??? Message-ID: <01bd2c78$26207180$LocalHost@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Mr.Jaiteh, I am terribly sorry about the late response.I was too busy with this Koriteh related affairs that I didn't have time to check my mails.But I am sure you now know that the koriteh in the middle East is today, Thursday whilst, as Mr.Sall has said,gambia and Senegal would have theirs on Friday.So,now that the Ramadan is over, those who have been stealing water (I am not going to name names here;pretty obvious,isnt it?) have now been shamed.
So,a very enjoyable Koriteh to everyone,and that includes those who have been pressurising their doctors to tell them that they are not fit to keep fast! What a shame! It was just thirty days.
Regards Basssss! -----Original Message----- From: Malanding S. Jaiteh <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 11:30 AM Subject: Eid day???
>Can someone tell us when Eid day is? Can Drammeh Kunda in the Middle East tell >us the situation in their part of the world? I hope ya all had >nice Ramadan. > >Jaiteh Kunda Nkoo >
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:28:05 PST From: "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: gambia-l 2nd anniversary? Message-ID: <19980129062806.17048.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain
Greetings: Though days, months and years keep flying by, our bantaba continues to keep us all on on top of issues. At times it is the political situation in our motherland. Will the AFPRC step down? Will there be elections? The NCC has drafted a new constitution. What does it say? Who will challenge Jammeh? At times it is the economy. Is investing heavily in infrastrutural development the answer? All these new school buildings, but where are the teachers? Sometimes it is culture or its absence thereof; Other times it is education, The University Extension Program, Book Donation Campaign, Announcement: A new Committee for Education is being formed. Curriculum evaluation ... Another voice jumps in to remind us; '70% of the workforce are farmers', So we ought to focus on Agriculture. We ought to invest more in this sector! Another voice dissents from the agriculturist. 'No! Agriculture failed to transform our Nation into a modern economy.' The answer lies in Information Technology. Perhaps, says another. But where are our techies? Announcement: A new company in Banjul is providing e-mail access to gambians. Welcome gambia-l shadow list! Postings from news sources are forwarded to the bantaba. The news agencies rep. on the bantaba objects to it. The bantaba ponders then acts. 'Keep the info. in the bush.' Announcement: The Bush List is now operational. News postings related to Gambia and Africa can be obtained there. Sometimes the mood of the bantaba is playful. A monkey joke is delivereed with such potency, The entire bantaba doubles over with laughter. Oh, by the way. Another new member has been added. Welcome to our bantaba, we look forward to your intro. Announcement: Jobs and Fellowships FWD. Religion is raised and quickly buried. Too sensitive. The Duutoo boys poke fun at Gunjurians. The international community is assesed. Someone pinch me. Is this not our Second Anniversary???
LatJor
LatJor
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:21:55 +0200 From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: New members Message-ID: <19980129072308.AAA61888@nijii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Greetings, Alasana Jammeh and Sebja S. Adams have been added to the list. Welcome to this Gambian bantaba (pencha bi) in cyberspace. Please send a brief introduction to gambia-l@u.washington.edu.
Happy Eid ul-Fitr (koriteh) to everyone on the Gambia-l!!
Momodou Camara
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**"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible"***
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:52:02 -0600 From: Tamsir Mbai <mba4224@etbu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Eid day??? Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980129032711.1097e376@etbu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 08:38 AM 1/29/98 +0300, Bass wrote:
>So,a very enjoyable Koriteh to everyone,and that includes those who have >been pressurising their doctors to tell them that they are not fit to keep >fast! What a shame! It was just thirty days. > Pa Musa, maybe you can respond to the above statement. I remember during Ramadan you used to tell us in class that your doctor had diagnosed you with ULCER, so you couldn't keep fast. I have always wondered over the years the scientific reasoning behind that argument. I hope you are feeling ok now. (hope you see the sarcasm??). Best of luck in The Gambia. It's Tamsir.
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:03:25 +0100 From: Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no> To: "'Gambia-L@u.Washington.edu'" <Gambia-L@u.Washington.edu> Subject: Test!!! Message-ID: <FBF1001D6A18D1118AC100A0C942F230A676@AVIA-A> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain
I have not received any mails from since yesterday. So I'm jsut testing to make sure there is nothing wrong
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:47:44 PST From: "Momodou Camara" <nijii@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: gambia-l 2nd anniversary? Message-ID: <19980129114746.6317.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain
Latjor wrote: > >Greetings: >Though days, months and years keep flying by, >our bantaba continues to keep us all on on top of issues. >At times it is the political situation in our motherland. >Will the AFPRC step down? Will there be elections? >The NCC has drafted a new constitution. >What does it say? Who will challenge Jammeh? >At times it is the economy. >Is investing heavily in infrastrutural development the answer? >All these new school buildings, but where are the teachers? >Sometimes it is culture or its absence thereof; >Other times it is education, >The University Extension Program, >Book Donation Campaign, >Announcement: A new Committee for Education is being formed. >Curriculum evaluation ... >Another voice jumps in to remind us; >'70% of the workforce are farmers', >So we ought to focus on Agriculture. >We ought to invest more in this sector! >Another voice dissents from the agriculturist. >'No! Agriculture failed to transform our >Nation into a modern economy.' >The answer lies in Information Technology. >Perhaps, says another. But where are our techies? >Announcement: A new company in Banjul is providing >e-mail access to gambians. Welcome gambia-l shadow list! >Postings from news sources are forwarded to the bantaba. >The news agencies rep. on the bantaba objects to it. >The bantaba ponders then acts. 'Keep the info. in the bush.' >Announcement: The Bush List is now operational. News postings >related to Gambia and Africa can be obtained there. >Sometimes the mood of the bantaba is playful. >A monkey joke is delivereed with such potency, >The entire bantaba doubles over with laughter. >Oh, by the way. Another new member has been added. >Welcome to our bantaba, we look forward to your intro. >Announcement: Jobs and Fellowships FWD. >Religion is raised and quickly buried. Too sensitive. >The Duutoo boys poke fun at Gunjurians. >The international community is assesed. >Someone pinch me. Is this not our Second Anniversary??? > >LatJor >
Thanks for the reminder Latjor and a brief summary of the events on the Gambia-l during the past two years.
Happy anniversary in advance to everyone.
Momodou Camara
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:53:22 GMT From: SADAMS <SADAMS@geog.gla.ac.uk> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: New members Message-ID: <13C96AB2D58@geog.gla.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Thanks for signing us up. Happy 'Koriteh' Sebja ADAMS
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:52:21 GMT From: SADAMS <SADAMS@geog.gla.ac.uk> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: (Fwd) Re: New members Message-ID: <13D925F53C9@geog.gla.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:53:22 GMT Reply-to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu From: SADAMS <SADAMS@geog.gla.ac.uk> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: New members
Thanks for signing us up. Happy 'Koriteh' Sebja ADAMS
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:39:00 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: EID MUBARAK!!!! Message-ID: <9801291639.AA18356@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Gambia-Lers ALL over the world,
I hope that Ramadhan was as exciting for you as it was for me. I wish each one of you and your families a blessed EID MUBARAK, and hope that we get tons of blessings for our fasting. And may some of those blessings be passed on to our country in particular and the world in general.
It's lunch time now, got to run :-) C'ya later!
Regards, Moe S. Jallow
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:44:12 EST From: BobbySil <BobbySil@aol.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Festive Koriteh Weekend Party Message-ID: <1621c55c.34d0b1de@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
The Atlanta Gambian Community Organization cordially invites you to their Koriteh Party to be held at Chastain-Woods Apartement Clubhouse. Tickets are $10 per person, to be held on Saturday, January 31 from 10pm onwards. Proceeds will go to the funding of the upcoming fourth of July/Gambian re-union celebration. For those of you in the metro-Atlanta area please inform others.
For additional information, please contact 404-320-0283 or 770-952-7517, and ask for Ablie Njie or Kunta Sissoho respectively.
Thanks, Happy Eid Baboucarr Sillah
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:55:11 -0500 (EST) From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> To: Gambia <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Fwd:president's ramadhan message (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9801291119.A8020-0100000@mach1.wlu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
It's probably alittle too late for this........but I thought this was really nice. Hope everyone had a really nice Korite!!! By the way, can someone please give me some info on ALD?? ie the date etc. Are there any more concrete plans about the conference and what is the topic to be discussed??? (I might have missed that) etc. Thanks!!! Ancha.
President's Ramadhan Message
>>December 30, 1997 >>> >>> >>> Warm greetings to everyone observing the holy month of Ramadan. >>> >>> For millions of Muslims across our nation and around the world, >>>Ramadan marks the time when God revealed the Holy Quran to the Prophet >>>Muhammad. During this sacred month, the ninth in the Islamic lunar >>>calendar, devout Muslims concentrate on their faith, study the Quran, >>>and discipline themselves through fasting between dawn and dusk. They >>>seek to answer Islam's call to a life of piety, justice, and peace and >>>to draw closer to God and to one another through many hours spent in >>>prayer and contemplation. >>> >>> Ramadan is a powerful reminder to all of us that the true riches of >>>life are found, not in material goods, but rather in the gifts of the >>>spirit: the ever-present guidance and bountiful mercy of God, the love >>>of family and friends, and the freedom to worship according to one's >>>own conscience and convictions. >>> >>> As the crescent moon once again heralds the coming of this season >>>of faith and spiritual renewal, Hillary and I extend best wishes for a >>>memorable observance. >>> >>> >>> >>> WILLIAM J. CLINTON
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:50:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu Subject: Re: Eid day??? Message-ID: <199801291750.MAA16294@aspen.ffr.mtu.edu>
Bassss wrote:
> Mr.Jaiteh, > I am terribly sorry about the late response.I was too busy > with this Koriteh related affairs that I didn't have time to check my > mails.But I am sure you now know that the koriteh in the middle East is > today, Thursday whilst, as Mr.Sall has said,gambia and Senegal would have > theirs on Friday.So,now that the Ramadan is over, those who have been > stealing water (I am not going to name names here;pretty obvious,isnt it?) > have now been shamed. > > So,a very enjoyable Koriteh to everyone,and that includes those who have > been pressurising their doctors to tell them that they are not fit to keep > fast! What a shame! It was just thirty days. > > > Regards Basssss!
Eid Mubarak Bassss. Some members of our community have been in touch with families in the middle East and they also confirmed Thursday's EID. Whatever the day, I would like to bid all a great Koriteh( Sungkarr Salo)! I just hope that the Drammehs, Fofanas, Jallows, Sidibehs and Sankarehs had all mananged to keep the up with the promise.
Malanding Jaiteh
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:12:04 EST From: TSaidy1050@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Eid day??? Message-ID: <f849d0e7.34d0c678@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Anyway in The Gambia Eid is Friday. Some villages did pray to day though. You know the normal argument as to who saw the Moon. Most peole in the North Bank have prayed because the Moon was seen at Medina Baye Mass, but the Greater Banjul Area did not pray because they claim to have not seen the Moon.
The Supreme Islamic Council were on television last night to announce that since no one had claim to see the Moon, Eid will be on Friday. It was after this announcement, around 10:30PM, that the people of Medina Baye Mass callled SUD FM to annouce the sighting of the Moon. So you can imagine the confusion, some have stopped fasting but did pray and others continue their fast and every body will pray tomorrow.
Something has to be done to rectify this situation.
PEACE Tombong Saidy
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:36:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu Subject: Re: gambia-l 2nd anniversary? Message-ID: <199801291836.NAA16298@aspen.ffr.mtu.edu>
> From GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu Thu Jan 29 06:50:36 1998 > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:47:44 PST > From: "Momodou Camara" <nijii@hotmail.com> > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: gambia-l 2nd anniversary? > X-Originating-IP: [194.19.183.221] > X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > > Latjor wrote: > > > >Greetings: > >Though days, months and years keep flying by, > >our bantaba continues to keep us all on on top of issues. > >At times it is the political situation in our motherland. > >Will the AFPRC step down? Will there be elections? > >The NCC has drafted a new constitution. > >What does it say? Who will challenge Jammeh? > >At times it is the economy. > >Is investing heavily in infrastrutural development the answer? > >All these new school buildings, but where are the teachers? > >Sometimes it is culture or its absence thereof; > >Other times it is education, > >The University Extension Program, > >Book Donation Campaign, > >Announcement: A new Committee for Education is being formed. > >Curriculum evaluation ... > >Another voice jumps in to remind us; > >'70% of the workforce are farmers', > >So we ought to focus on Agriculture. > >We ought to invest more in this sector! > >Another voice dissents from the agriculturist. > >'No! Agriculture failed to transform our > >Nation into a modern economy.' > >The answer lies in Information Technology. > >Perhaps, says another. But where are our techies? > >Announcement: A new company in Banjul is providing > >e-mail access to gambians. Welcome gambia-l shadow list! > >Postings from news sources are forwarded to the bantaba. > >The news agencies rep. on the bantaba objects to it. > >The bantaba ponders then acts. 'Keep the info. in the bush.' > >Announcement: The Bush List is now operational. News postings > >related to Gambia and Africa can be obtained there. > >Sometimes the mood of the bantaba is playful. > >A monkey joke is delivereed with such potency, > >The entire bantaba doubles over with laughter. > >Oh, by the way. Another new member has been added. > >Welcome to our bantaba, we look forward to your intro. > >Announcement: Jobs and Fellowships FWD. > >Religion is raised and quickly buried. Too sensitive. > >The Duutoo boys poke fun at Gunjurians. > >The international community is assesed. > >Someone pinch me. Is this not our Second Anniversary??? > > > >LatJor > > > > Thanks for the reminder Latjor and a brief summary of the events on the > Gambia-l during the past two years. > > Happy anniversary in advance to everyone. > > Momodou Camara > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > Latjor, Thanks for that reminder. I would like thank all of you managers who give your time to keep the list going. I think we all need to be proud of ourselves for ensuring that "horoma ning Buu-nyaa"(Yarru ak Teranga) had been the code of conduct over the past two-three years. These are no doubt the basic building blocks of democracy. Certainly, Gambia-lers do not need this kind of lectures but I would want all members to do one thing. Reflect on some of the 10 most valuable things we learned from becoming members of this great Bantaba(Penchabi).
I can not conclude without mentioning by name, a visionary, compatriot, colleage a friend and really someone I have come to admire. The man who made all this possible. I know he will not agree with me(but thats only in his nature). He is the founder of this list, the man in "Dekat" our great Fana fana, Dr Katim S. Touray. Oops, he prefers to be called katim so don't mind if you skip Dr.
I will call on all to flood his mail box atleast for this occasion and send him a note as an acknowledgement of his efforts towards a Gambian Cyber-Bantaba.
his address: dekat@itis.com
Malanding Jaiteh
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:53:34 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: gambia-l 2nd anniversary? Message-ID: <01bd2d00$58cfb860$LocalHost@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
That was really sweet,Lat! Keep up th good work down there!
Regards Bassss!
>Greetings: >Though days, months and years keep flying by, >our bantaba continues to keep us all on on top of issues. >At times it is the political situation in our motherland. >Will the AFPRC step down? Will there be elections? >The NCC has drafted a new constitution. >What does it say? Who will challenge Jammeh? >At times it is the economy. >Is investing heavily in infrastrutural development the answer? >All these new school buildings, but where are the teachers? >Sometimes it is culture or its absence thereof; >Other times it is education, >The University Extension Program, >Book Donation Campaign, >Announcement: A new Committee for Education is being formed. >Curriculum evaluation ... >Another voice jumps in to remind us; >'70% of the workforce are farmers', >So we ought to focus on Agriculture. >We ought to invest more in this sector! >Another voice dissents from the agriculturist. >'No! Agriculture failed to transform our >Nation into a modern economy.' >The answer lies in Information Technology. >Perhaps, says another. But where are our techies? >Announcement: A new company in Banjul is providing >e-mail access to gambians. Welcome gambia-l shadow list! >Postings from news sources are forwarded to the bantaba. >The news agencies rep. on the bantaba objects to it. >The bantaba ponders then acts. 'Keep the info. in the bush.' >Announcement: The Bush List is now operational. News postings >related to Gambia and Africa can be obtained there. >Sometimes the mood of the bantaba is playful. >A monkey joke is delivereed with such potency, >The entire bantaba doubles over with laughter. >Oh, by the way. Another new member has been added. >Welcome to our bantaba, we look forward to your intro. >Announcement: Jobs and Fellowships FWD. >Religion is raised and quickly buried. Too sensitive. >The Duutoo boys poke fun at Gunjurians. >The international community is assesed. >Someone pinch me. Is this not our Second Anniversary??? > >LatJor > >LatJor > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:16:31 EST From: SANG1220@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Scandal Message-ID: <6a61a637.34d11be1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Amadou, I couldn't agree with you more. Al Nimbara Thanks Daddy Sang
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:45:49 -0500 From: Andy Lyons <alyons@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Fwd: Gambia High School Message-ID: <2.2.16.19980130024549.2ea77766@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi all, can anyone help this man?
>Subject: Gambia High School > >Dear Mr Lyons >Many years ago (63-64) I was a VSO volunteer at Gambia High School. >Probably the best year of my life! >Now my son, himself a GAP volunteer in Nepal some years ago, is visiting >The Gambia in a couple of weeks time. I have never been back but am >keen to help him make some contacts for me and to enrich his own visit. >Many of my ex-pupils must be in their mid 40's; perhaps some might >remember me! >Do you have any details of the Gambia High School. Headteacher etc. >Also, is there a local paper published in Banjul? >Wouls appreciate your help. >Anthony Lunch <101516.2420@compuserve.com>
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:17:41 -0500 From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Scandal Message-ID: <34D34EA5.5F3D@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
SANG1220 wrote: > > Bobby, I don't think people are refraining from discussing the scandal in D.C > rather I suspect everybody is busy getting ready for ramadan or waiting to see > how this thing unfolds. A word to the wise, for the pres. to be impeached, it > requires that he be found guilty of using the office of the presidency > illegally. The mere allegation of a sexual act does not constitude an > impaechable offense, rather if he's found to have suborne perjury he could be > in trouble. Even here, problem arises because it becomes a he say, she say > senario. Perhaps we should wait and see where the chips fall before delving > into it with vigor. > Thanks > Daddy Sang
Hope we all had a happy Koriteh (Eid al Fitr)today Yes I did not feel to talk about the sex scandal during Ramadan. Now that fasting is over , I can mention a few things on this matter. If there were four witnesses to the sexual act Clinton allegedly performed then there are grounds ( Islamic laws ) for some type of punishment but according to all reports only his word against hers is just a foolish case and it should be closed and forgotten. It is his private life and his wife's and we should all not glorify these false reports by even talking about it . I personally do not believe that girl Monika who has a terrible sex history with other men since she was sixteen or fifteen years old. Sometimes bad girls like Monika and rejected women like Tripp are used to set up politicians for slander and revenge. If President Clinton was not doing his work well then we could hit him with that issue not his personal sex life.
-- Habib Diab Ghanim
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:56:57 -0600 From: Tamsir Mbai <mba4224@etbu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Scandal Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980129223208.0d17c008@etbu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
With all due respect to all those who have thus far contributed to the alleged scandal of Clinton's infidelity, i would like to sway the discussion to another more potent area. For the moment, i think it is inconsequential whether Clinton is found guilty to have adultered or not. In my opinion, i think the point that needs to be discussed is whetehr or not the outside world is taking any lessons as the story unfolds. The not-so-obvious, yet most important lesson from this drama is that of ACCOUNTABILITY and being ANSWERABLE to the law. I cannot overemphasize the accountability issue here.
Clinton and AMERICA has demonstrated to the entire universe that nobody should be above the law. (notice that this single sentence is a paragraph).
Everyone, irrespective of their leverage or authoritative capacity, should be answerable to the law. Maybe some of the African DESPOTS should be given free cable so that they can see what is going on in America. Can somebody help????? I don't mean to be sarcastic, but i find it really fascinating and commendable that a sitting president is chided, harassed, molested, and downright trodden by the media without any fear of retribution. What makes it even more admirable is the fact that Clinton and his Democratic party are BEGGING the public to wait for the facts before passing judgment. Putting aside the external forces that are responsible for the scandal, i think that Clinton's GLOOMY predicament is a SHINING example of democracy at best. Without openly trying to circumvent the law, Bill has chosen to be judged by a jury of his peers. Maybe somebody should explain to us the underlying facts behind "OPERATION GREEN MONEY" without being too confrontrational. Africa, are we going to learn from the American experience, or are we going to blatantly ignore history again as we have done on numerous accounts in the past???? Our future lies in what lessons we take from this scandal. Our leaders MUST subordinate themselves to the people they represent rather than act as the MIGHTY overseers of the yeomanry class. Just a thought people. I reiterate that i have definitely been impressed by America's respect for the rule of law in the Lewinski-Gate scandal.
Best of luck to all. ID Mubarak!!!!!!
(Managers, please subscribe Basiru Ndow to the list. His e-mail address is bn0005@unt.edu ---- bee--en--zero--zero--zero--five. Thanx!!! ) It's Tamsir.
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:34:46 -0500 From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: EID MUBARAK!!!! Message-ID: <34D352A6.6B84@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Modou Jallow wrote: > > Gambia-Lers ALL over the world, > > I hope that Ramadhan was as exciting for you as it was for me. I wish each > one of you and your families a blessed EID MUBARAK, and hope that we get > tons of blessings for our fasting. And may some of those blessings be > passed on to our country in particular and the world in general. > > It's lunch time now, got to run :-) C'ya later! > > Regards, > Moe S. Jallow > > ========================================================================= > mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moe We had a fantastic Eid in DC and Md area also Do not eat too much like I am doing right now. The Saudi Embassy had a party for the kids and it was a real fun day with feelings like Eid not just another day
-- Habib Diab Ghanim
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:41:48 -0500 From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Festive Koriteh Weekend Party Message-ID: <34D3544C.6EC6@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
BobbySil wrote: > > The Atlanta Gambian Community Organization cordially invites you to their > Koriteh Party to be held at Chastain-Woods Apartement Clubhouse. Tickets are > $10 per person, to be held on Saturday, January 31 from 10pm onwards. Proceeds > will go to the funding of the upcoming fourth of July/Gambian re-union > celebration. For those of you in the metro-Atlanta area please inform others. > > For additional information, please contact 404-320-0283 or 770-952-7517, and > ask for Ablie Njie or Kunta Sissoho respectively. > > Thanks, Happy Eid > Baboucarr Sillah
Thanks Baboucar In the Washington metropolitan area ,The Gambia muslim Assn is planning a similar fund raising party on the 14 th of Feb at the MCC in Silver Spring, Md (I may be in your area the same weekend so expect my call) Do you know Momodou Sanneh's tel number?? If so pls give it to me or please give him my work tel 703 288 1489. Thanks Hope your Eid party turns out OK. Good luck -- Habib Diab Ghanim
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:52:16 -0500 From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Fwd:president's ramadhan message (fwd) Message-ID: <34D356C0.6993@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Ancha Bala-Gaye u wrote: > > It's probably alittle too late for this........but I thought this was > really nice. Hope everyone had a really nice Korite!!! By the way, can > someone please give me some info on ALD?? ie the date etc. Are there any > more concrete plans about the conference and what is the topic to be > discussed??? (I might have missed that) etc. Thanks!!! > Ancha. > > President's Ramadhan Message > > >>December 30, 1997 > >>> > >>> > >>> Warm greetings to everyone observing the holy month of Ramadan. > >>> > >>> For millions of Muslims across our nation and around the world, > >>>Ramadan marks the time when God revealed the Holy Quran to the Prophet > >>>Muhammad. During this sacred month, the ninth in the Islamic lunar > >>>calendar, devout Muslims concentrate on their faith, study the Quran, > >>>and discipline themselves through fasting between dawn and dusk. They > >>>seek to answer Islam's call to a life of piety, justice, and peace and > >>>to draw closer to God and to one another through many hours spent in > >>>prayer and contemplation. > >>> > >>> Ramadan is a powerful reminder to all of us that the true riches of > >>>life are found, not in material goods, but rather in the gifts of the > >>>spirit: the ever-present guidance and bountiful mercy of God, the love > >>>of family and friends, and the freedom to worship according to one's > >>>own conscience and convictions. > >>> > >>> As the crescent moon once again heralds the coming of this season > >>>of faith and spiritual renewal, Hillary and I extend best wishes for a > >>>memorable observance. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> WILLIAM J. CLINTON
Thanks Ancha I heard it live on the Arab network of America (ANA) Radio and satelite TV. It fealt good that we as muslims are getting the long overdue recognition we deserve and I hope Eid will be a national holiday as Yom Kippur / Ras Hashana are now in Md. By the way the Honarable first lady, Hillary Clinton had an Eid party today also (second one -last year was the first)at the White house today at 3.30 pm. I was honoured to be one of the guests. She deserves praise for her efforts even though politics is involved (- trying to get muslim votes this coming elections-) We have now become potential voters which they are trying to tap. -- Habib Diab Ghanim
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:52:29 EST From: ELLA23K@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SEX SCANDAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE Message-ID: <7863bda8.34d15c8f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
No I don't think it is any of our business to talk about the President's private life. Free as the U.S. may be it is the DUTIES that he was elected to carry out that we are interested in. This President unlike many other U.S. presidents have the interest of BLACK people and women at heart. It is painful that a woman is being used to do the damage to such a fine person. He was a human being first before becoming a president.
I think Africans, especially Gambians should stay away from this topic. We know why.
I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate all muslims on their feast of Eid-el-Fitr. May peace rule the world and let us human beings learn to love each other.
Cis
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:06:42 -0500 From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Eid day??? Message-ID: <34D35A22.6A61@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
TSaidy1050@aol.com wrote: > > Anyway in The Gambia Eid is Friday. Some villages did pray to day though. You > know the normal argument as to who saw the Moon. Most peole in the North Bank > have prayed because the Moon was seen at Medina Baye Mass, but the Greater > Banjul Area did not pray because they claim to have not seen the Moon. > > The Supreme Islamic Council were on television last night to announce that > since no one had claim to see the Moon, Eid will be on Friday. It was after > this announcement, around 10:30PM, that the people of Medina Baye Mass callled > SUD FM to annouce the sighting of the Moon. So you can imagine the confusion, > some have stopped fasting but did pray and others continue their fast and > every body will pray tomorrow. > > Something has to be done to rectify this situation. > > PEACE > Tombong Saidy
Tombong This problem is over fourteen hundred years old and cannot be solved until people get educated on the moon sighting criteria . (either the actual astronomicaly calculated birth of the moon or the actual sighting of the crescent ) If it is not sighted then it is normal to fast thirty days which is ok too. We also have this problem here in the USA but the Shura council of NA has devised a method which applies both scientific and actual sighting methods without compromising the religion. For example here in the Washington metropolitan area we knew the birth of the new moon was yesterday evening just after maghrib but only after we had a confirmed sighting in Califonia (west coast) around 9.47 pm that Eid was officially declared. Technology helped a lot I suggest you use your TV to educate the Masses on this by getting an expert muslim astrologer clarify this matter. The man who calculates the prayer times and calender for the Islamic Society of America ( my neighbour also) has tought me a lot and I will be glad to share some of his writings with you if you want. Peace Happy Eid -- Habib Diab Ghanim
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:11:24 -0500 From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: gambia-l 2nd anniversary? Message-ID: <34D35B3C.5784@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
LatJor, Good summary indeed and a time to evaluate also -- Habib Diab Ghanim
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:20:24 -0500 From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SEX SCANDAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE Message-ID: <34D35D58.37EA@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
ELLA23K@aol.com wrote: > > No I don't think it is any of our business to talk about the President's > private life. Free as the U.S. may be it is the DUTIES that he was elected to > carry out that we are interested in. This President unlike many other U.S. > presidents have the interest of BLACK people and women at heart. It is > painful that a woman is being used to do the damage to such a fine person. He > was a human being first before becoming a president. > > I think Africans, especially Gambians should stay away from this topic. We > know why. > > I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate all muslims on their > feast of Eid-el-Fitr. May peace rule the world and let us human beings learn > to love each other. > > Cis
Thanks and your observation is right on the money. Who is 100 % clean nowadays?? As Christ said " before you talk about the spick in one's eye check the beam in yours first" ( I hope I quoted right - from my bible class at SAHS ) -- Habib Diab Ghanim
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:24:15 EST From: ELLA23K@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Gambia High School Message-ID: <670b65b4.34d16401@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Dear Mr L I think at that time the Ghs was still under the Methodist Mission. If anything if your son goes to the methodist mission office at Dobson street in the Gambia he will have a lot of information and help.
The Present Principal of GHS is Mr. William Carr. Lived at Grant Street. Another person who might be of help is Mrs C.M.R.Cole of long street. Who i am sure was a teacher at the school at the time She taught English Language. If you want any specific names or addresses I will be willing to help to the best of my ability.
I limany Gambians treasure the positive attitude that the VSO have instilled in our country in the past thankyou for your contribution.
Cis.
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:56:19 EST From: BobbySil@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Scandal Message-ID: <3493a91.34d17995@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Habib, In a message dated 98-01-29 23:45:39 EST, you write:
<< I personally do not believe that girl Monika who has a terrible sex history with other men since she was sixteen or fifteen years old. Sometimes bad girls like Monika and rejected women like Tripp are used to set up politicians for slander and revenge. >>
Are you saying that you disbelief her because she's got a gloomy sex history. I'm not too sure about that argument.
BTW the topic was to extend immunity to all those who preffered not to discuss it.
Sincerely BS #1
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:05:20 EST From: BobbySil@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Scandal Message-ID: <52c74793.34d17bb2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Tamsir in your message dated 98-01-29 23:39:05 EST, you write:
<< Putting aside the external forces that are responsible for the scandal, i think that Clinton's GLOOMY predicament is a SHINING example of democracy at best. Without openly trying to circumvent the law, Bill has chosen to be judged by a jury of his peers. Maybe somebody should explain to us the underlying facts behind "OPERATION GREEN MONEY" without being too confrontrational. Africa, are we going to learn from the American experience, or are we going to blatantly ignore history again as we have done on numerous accounts in the past???? >>
Great point pal, this is one of the underlying facts why I brought up the subject. If we abate topics like these, we will never see the meaning of true democracy as applied in our backyards.
Cheers, Baboucarr Sillah
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:26:43 EST From: TSaidy1050@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: GAMBIAN MEETING IN ATLANTA Message-ID: <7863a078.34d19cd5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
There will be a meeting in Atlanta on Saturday, January 31st 1998 and all Gambians and Friends of The Gambia in Atlanta area are invited. The Majority Leader of the National Assembly, Honourable Tamsir Jallow and the Minority Leader, Honourable Kemesseng Jammeh, will be in Atlanta for a few days and would like to meet with the Gambian community.
They are transiting from Mexico, where they were attending the Global Parliamentarian Forum.
Details of the meeting could be received from Malafy Jarju (Home tel: 404-288-0026, Office Tel: 404-773-9483). The meeting will be held in the same hall as the Koriteh Party according to Malafy.
This will be a historical meeting, because this is the fist time both the ruling party and the opposition will share a podium to discuss issues of common interest to The Gambia.
Give us your feed backs of the meeting.
PEACE
Tombong Saidy
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:42:27 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk> To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: SV: Hotels and resthouses in The Gambia Message-ID: <9B236DF9AF96CF11A5C94044F32190311DB3C1@DKDIFS02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD2D7C.87360160"
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Bass, maybe I can do it as an ASCII-file Asbj=F8rn =20
> ---------- > Fra: Bassirou Dodou Drammeh[SMTP:kolls567@qatar.net.qa] > Svar til: gambia-l@u.washington.edu > Sendt: 21. januar 1998 18:13 > Til: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > Emne: Re: Hotels and resthouses in The Gambia >=20 > Asbjorn, > I think you have to Re-send that message,because I > can't see > the Attachment you are reffering to as written with WP 6.0.And send > it > quick ,and thank you very much in advance because I need those > addresses > very much. >=20 > In the meantime,Keep Up The Good Work Down There! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Regards > Bassss! >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Asbj=F8rn Nordam <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk> > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List > <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 1:35 AM > Subject: Hotels and resthouses in The Gambia >=20 >=20 > One of you from the Gambia-L some times ago asked for hotel adresses. > >From tours to the Gambia I come to stay in several hotels, and I met > other toourists. The list enclosed is not total or detailed, or = divide > the hotels into a classification-system. I have tried to group them > depending on the site. All gambians must excuse me for putting the > list > here, but I don=B4t remember who were asking. If you are interessted = you > can give comments or corrections. Regards from Asbj=F8rn > My system is WP 6.0. If you who were asking can not open it please > write > me. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20
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One of you from the list some times ago asked for hotel adresses.=20 >From my tours to The Gambia I come to stay in several hotels, and I met = tourists from other hotels. I can not give a total or detailed list, or = divide the hotel into a classification-sytem. I have tried to put them = into groups depending on the site. I ask all the gambians to excuse me that I put my information here on = the list, but if you find time to read and see corrections please put = them in, or just delete this information. Regards from Asbj=9Brn Nordam
The Gambia National Tourist Office Ministry of Tourism and Culture, The Quadrangle, Banjul, The Gambia +220-229563 - 227593 - 228496 - 227881 fax +220-227753 - 227034
Cape/Bakau/Fajara - area, distance to Banjul 4-7 Km, and Serrekunda = to Yundum airport=20
Sunwing Cape St. mary, Bakau +220-495428 fax +220-496102 build 1972,renovated 1991-93, restaurant,bar,pool, 20-50 m.to beach
Cape Point Cape St. Mary, Bakau +220-495005 fax + 220-495005=20 build 1985, renovated 1988 and 1990, restaurant, bar, pool,100 m. to = beach
African Village Atlantic Road, Bakau +220-495384 build 1976+ 1993, renovated 1987, restaurant,bar,pool,250 m to beach
Safari Garden 20 Street West, Fajara +220-495887 build 1972, renovated 1981 and 1991, restaurant, bar, pool,800 m. to = beach
Fajara
Fajara Guest House PMB 834 Banjul +220-496122 fax +220 -229689 newly build, 5 min. walk to beach, near Fajara golf course, Fajara = and Safari Garden hotels
Kotu- Kololi - area, distance to Serekunda 2-3 KM, to Banjul 12-15 Km
Bakotu Kotu Stream Road, Fajara +220-465555 fax +220 465959 restaurant, bar, pool, 100 m to beach
Bungalow Beach 1, Kotu Stream Road,Fajara +220-465288 fax +220-466180 restaurant, bar, pool, 25 m. to beach
Kombo Beach (Novotel) P.O.Box 694, Banjul +220-465466 -465467 -465468
Kotu Strand
Badala Park Kotu Stream, PMB 467, Serrekunda +220-460400 fax = +220-460402
Kololi - Palma-Rima- Kairaba - area, =20
Kairaba Beach Kololi, PMB 390, Serekunda +220-462940 fax +220-462947 restaurant, bar, pool, 25 m. to beach
Palma Rima +220-463380
Senegambia +220-462717 - 462718 - 462719
Holiday Beach Club PMB 312, Banjul +220-460418 - 460419 fax + 220 - = 460418
Kololi Beach Club +220-464897 Mariatou Beach
N=EFGala Lodge
TAFBEL Maisonettes opposite Kairaba Hotel, apartments for hire +220 - 460510 - 460511 fax +220-460515
Banjul - area I know there are several, but I don=EFt have them.
Hotel Atlantic +220-228601 - 228602 - 228603
Laguna (former Wadner Beach)
Serrekunda - area There are also hotels in Serrekunda
Up-country
Tendaba Camp
Jem Hotel Basse Santa Su +220-668356
Guesthouses: There are all over the country guesthouses. I can recommend them if you = are not demanding special service. There is a bed, and you can take a = bath, and local people can help with food, if not the caretaker. It = cost near to nothing.
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:52:15 +0100 (CET) From: Theodor Stenevang med <v97tst@sokrates.mip.ki.se> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: SV: Hotels and resthouses in The Gambia Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980130124951.21571C-100000@sokrates.mip.ki.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE
Thanks Asbjorn for the information on hotels and resthouses. Still, I would like to know if anyone can tell what the prices are, approximately, for rooms of different standard. Either in dalasis or USD.
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:38:51 -0500 From: habib <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Scandal Message-ID: <34D2102B.3436@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
BobbySil@aol.com wrote: > > Habib, In a message dated 98-01-29 23:45:39 EST, you write: > > << I personally do not believe that girl Monika who has a terrible sex > history with other men since she was sixteen or fifteen years old. > Sometimes bad girls like Monika and rejected women like Tripp are used > to set up politicians for slander and revenge. >> > > Are you saying that you disbelief her because she's got a gloomy sex history. > I'm not too sure about that argument. > > BTW the topic was to extend immunity to all those who preffered not to discuss > it. > > Sincerely > BS #1
Yes No woman in her correct mind would go about saying she had sex with this and that especially other people's husbands publicly. I think that is a viscous and distructive thing to do to anyone's marriage. If she had a relationship with a married man which is her private affair, it should remain private . Period. Linda Tripp seems to have a dubious agenda with bad intentions obviously. She also may be looking for ransome money. Sorry but please Let's leave Clinton alone. Habib
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:16:27 EST From: BobbySil@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: GAMBIAN MEETING IN ATLANTA Message-ID: <fc50df05.34d218fd@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Tombong, In a message dated 98-01-30 05:51:37 EST, you write:
<< This will be a historical meeting, because this is the fist time both the ruling party and the opposition will share a podium to discuss issues of common interest to The Gambia. >>
You're right it will be historical. We will make our analysis and report the facts.
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:48:40 -0500 (EST) From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> To: Gambia <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Scandal (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9801301751.A9982-0100000@mach1.wlu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
With the hope that I didn't misunderstand anything you said, these are my comments. If I did misunderstand, I appologise in advance. Habib wrote:
>Yes >No woman in her correct mind would go about saying she had sex with this >and that especially other people's husbands publicly.
I'm sorry, I don't see why not. This is not Saudi Arabia where a woman would not dare tell she slept with someone. It's a "free" country and you may say whatever you like. Unless of course, you and your partner decided to keep it quiet.
>I think that is a viscous and distructive thing to do to anyone's >marriage. If the rumour is true, then I think the married party should have thought about commiting adultery before engaging in the activity.
>If she had a relationship with a married man which is her >private affair, it should remain private . Period.
Actually, it's the married man's private affair too. And I don't think that he should be able to have his cake and eat it too (in this case, be married AND be able to have an extramarital affair without being found out). She has nothing to lose really, (except her reputation....if she cares about it!), but he may lose his family........unless of course, he doesn't think they're worth his devotion and love.
>Linda Tripp seems to have a dubious agenda with bad intentions obviously. >She also may be looking for ransome money. Habib
This is possible. Ancha.
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:17:57 -0500 From: "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Scandal (fwd) Message-ID: <34D289D5.4AF1@Mail.lig.bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Ancha Bala-Gaye u wrote: > > I'm sorry, I don't see why not. This is not Saudi Arabia where a woman > would not dare tell she slept with someone. It's a "free" country and you > may say whatever you like.
What's "free" in this country? It's "buy one get one free," "free if you spend so much," "free if you take these strings too," etc.
Well, kidding aside, even the USA's "freedom" comes with some legal, social and moral restraints. Examples: you may not utter statements that are likely to provoke a violent reaction ("fighting words"). You are also not "free" to yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater.
And what's the relevance of Saudi Arabia to your response?
Other than those matters, I tend to agree with your overall premise.
Amadou SJ
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:44:35 -0500 From: "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Help (especially from those in The Gambia)! Message-ID: <34D29E23.164B@Mail.lig.bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Gambia-l:
I should be taking about 20 students and one other faculty member to Senegal and The Gambia as part of a "Foreign Study" project from July 10-21, 1998. It's an attempt to forge some link between the University of Tennessee and institutions in Senegambia.
The participants are very excited about the opportunity. They are putting together plans to collect books, computers, etc. as donations to the Gambian and Senegalese institutions. Various university departments are pooling their resources to make the trip a reality. Hopefully this will be the first of many trips to come.
I received excellent input from my good friend, Dr. Ebrima Sall, on where to go, who to see, etc. in Senegal. I need similar suggestions for The Gambia. It would also be nice if we can get housing (dorm rooms okay) and transportation at reasonable rates (particularly from those receiving the donations).
The course title is "The TransAtlantic Slave Trade."
Let me know what you think.
Amadou SJ
ps: Perhaps the Kartong International Airport will be inaugurated by then! Ooops! I meant GUNJUR!
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:26:11 -0800 (PST) From: "D. Singhateh" <dawdas@u.washington.edu> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Scandal Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96a.980130200215.30498B-100000@dante05.u.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Thank you Tamsir, for a job well done. This couldn't have been better scripted if you asked the best play writers in Hollywood to put in words what you were able to put across in few paragraphs. Not only is the story and the emotions it unleashes powerful, but the style is just as commendable. And yes, you are right, there is a lesson for us (AFRICA) to learn as this scandal unfolds. It always baffles me how we ( AFRICA) end up at the short end of democracy. I just thought I take a moment to thank you for your thoughtfulness. Take care every one, Dawda Singhateh.
On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Tamsir Mbai wrote:
> With all due respect to all those who have thus far contributed to the > alleged scandal of Clinton's infidelity, i would like to sway the discussion > to another more potent area. For the moment, i think it is inconsequential > whether Clinton is found guilty to have adultered or not. In my opinion, i > think the point that needs to be discussed is whetehr or not the outside > world is taking any lessons as the story unfolds. The not-so-obvious, yet > most important lesson from this drama is that of ACCOUNTABILITY and being > ANSWERABLE to the law. I cannot overemphasize the accountability issue here. > > Clinton and AMERICA has demonstrated to the entire universe that nobody > should be above the law. (notice that this single sentence is a paragraph). > > Everyone, irrespective of their leverage or authoritative capacity, should > be answerable to the law. Maybe some of the African DESPOTS should be given > free cable so that they can see what is going on in America. Can somebody > help????? I don't mean to be sarcastic, but i find it really fascinating and > commendable that a sitting president is chided, harassed, molested, and > downright trodden by the media without any fear of retribution. What makes > it even more admirable is the fact that Clinton and his Democratic party are > BEGGING the public to wait for the facts before passing judgment. > Putting aside the external forces that are responsible for the > scandal, i think that Clinton's GLOOMY predicament is a SHINING example of > democracy at best. Without openly trying to circumvent the law, Bill has > chosen to be judged by a jury of his peers. Maybe somebody should explain to > us the underlying facts behind "OPERATION GREEN MONEY" without being too > confrontrational. Africa, are we going to learn from the American > experience, or are we going to blatantly ignore history again as we have > done on numerous accounts in the past???? Our future lies in what lessons > we take from this scandal. Our leaders MUST subordinate themselves to the > people they represent rather than act as the MIGHTY overseers of the > yeomanry class. > Just a thought people. I reiterate that i have definitely been > impressed by America's respect for the rule of law in the Lewinski-Gate scandal. > > Best of luck to all. ID Mubarak!!!!!! > > (Managers, please subscribe Basiru Ndow to the list. His e-mail address is > bn0005@unt.edu ---- bee--en--zero--zero--zero--five. Thanx!!! ) > It's Tamsir. > >
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:40:03 PST From: "latjor ndow" <latjor@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: new member Message-ID: <19980131044003.3532.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain
Greetings: Basirou Ndow has been added to thelist and we welcome him to the bantaba. We look forward to your intro. and participation in the discussions. Our address is: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:06:42 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re:My Commentary On What PDOIS Had To Say On The ECONOMY!! Message-ID: <01bd2e06$04f3a600$3d2385c2@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
ALPHA Robinson WROTE:-
As I hate to speculate, I'll leave it to you to answer or not answer as you like. One thing is certain though. In your contribution you haven't provided any alternative. To say that the way should be paved for private investors is so cheap that I would not like to believe this is all you have to offer the Gambian people. **************************************************************************** *********************** Hello Mr.Robinson! I am terribly sorry for the belated response;its mainly because your timing was a little bit inconvenient, since your contribution came at a time when I was somewhat busy trying to catch up with what I had missed so much,namely,eating during the daytime.I hope you won't misunderstand me here.I am neither a Badibunka nor is my surname Jaiteh Kunda Nkoo or something like Ceesay etc.;its just that its all too human to be impatient to have that daytime bite of Beena Chinn after thirty grueling days of fasting. So,thank you very much for your interest in what I wrote and the effort you made to respond to it.
Since Pa Musa Jallow,one of our men on the ground back home,has already made my job easier by the response he made,these couple of Riyals I would want to subscribe to our nations "Osusu" (Economy) debate would be brief.
If I understand you correctly,you do not accept my assertion that because Pdois is a socialist party,the way it sees the economic problems in the Gambia and the solutions it proposes for them are more or less related to the Socialist view of how economic problems should be handled by the state.And if I am wrong in assuming that,then I do not know what the letter "S" in the acronym PDOIS stands for.But if you say that: "Yes,the S stands for socialism,but No,it has no bearing on how the Pdois people think" then the "Intellectual Honesty" or lack of it that you have been lecturing us about here should be looked at again very carefully!
Your concerns about the downside of the market forces are well founded.But we can talk about ways and means of minimizing the brutal impact of those forces on the weaker sectors of our society, while at the same time accepting the fact that, that economic arrangement is the only one that has been able to usher in modernity,efficiency and self-sufficiency in all the societies we know about.I don't believe it would be in the interest of anyone in the Gambia if we delude ourselves into believing that we could invent a second or third way that has not been experimented anywhere.
The third issue you mentioned relates to the salaries of members of our National Assembly.Again,your concerns are well founded:most of our peasants are in deplorable conditions.But we cannot also forget the fact that unless we provide our leadership with a respectable standard of living,they would end up doing to us what they have always done since independence,namely,emptying the national coffers and use it for themselves and their immediate families.And the people who would then end up being hurt most would be the very people you are now trying to protect,namely,the peasants.Its just a question of being pragmatic and nothing else.
Finally,I wish you a happy Koriteh and hope that you would Keep Up The Good Work Down There!
Regards Bassss!
-----Original Message----- From: Alpha Robinson <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 6:47 PM Subject: Re:My Commentary On What PDOIS Had To Say On The ECONOMY!!
Bass,
As HAlifa stated in his posting, the issue of the national economy is a matter which "requires more than common sense economics.... It requires intellectual honesty on the part of decision makers and their fidelity to propositions that are fully grounded on irrefutable premises." I would like to add that this issue is a matter of life and death. If we choose to solve it creatively we can guarantee ourselves and our children a meaningful life under the earth, if we choose to be otherwise we will remain the scum of the earth (please excuse my language)
Bass heed those words for they are very crucial especially to us the "cream of Africa". We the educated ones cannot allow ourselves to indulde in intellectual dishonesty for the hopes of our people are on our shoulders.
Bass PDOIS had stated earlier, well before Jammeh's days in its manifesto what its stand on the private sector is and this is exactly what Halifa reflected on the posting. PDOIS says come private investment well and good but we should not fold our hands and wait for it. Now if you go about calling PDOIS a" socialist or Semi-Socialist party and that as a result the economic strategy it is now putting forward and confidently portraying as the only cure for the economic ailment of our nation are a direct product of Marxian Econnomic analysis which is by default hostile to market forces" it makes me really wonder on two counts: First, I wonder whether you have made any efforts to know what PDOIS' economic policy is. Secondly, I wonder what you were really up to when all of a sudden the cold war jargon downs on you from God knows where. It's awkward because in Halifa's analysis neither Socialism nor Marxism was mentioned.
As I hate to speculate, I'll leave it to you to answer or not answer as you like. One thing is certain though. In your contribution you haven't provided any alternative. To say that the way should be paved for private investors is so cheap that I would not like to believe this is all you have to offer the Gambian people.
Finally, let us be alerrt to the fact that the development of the Gambia entails more than enriching a few educated Gambians. Our people Bass, the vast majority of the Gambian people are living in deplorable conditions. Therefore any policy which attempts to sideline them cannot be a meaningful one. Perhaps it is time Bass for you, me and our likes, the educated Gambians to realise that ALL the Gambian people want to have a better life. I am sure if you were not lucky to be educated you would heve been talking differently today. If you were a farmer earning ONLY one thousand Dalasis or two PER ANNUM you would not be telling us that theMONTHLY salaries of members of perliament SEVEN THOUSAND Dalasis is meagre. If you were an unlucky farmer, you would not have been saying that the resources of the country should be given to a few Gambians to enjoy.
Finally, I would like to add that one does not have to study economics to understand certain very basic things. Of course a person who studies economics is more likely to be exposed to economic issue. I would like to conted here and now though that he who makes it a priority can also become conversat with economic issues without holding a degree in it. Remember that Malcolm X, one of the most influencial African Americans, did not posses any degree in any of the issues he was very eloquent in. Knowlwdge belongs only to those who sought it, so it is nonesense to think that only economic graduates can talk about economic issues.
much respect
Alpha
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:40:19 +0200 From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) To: "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> Cc: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Help (especially from those in The Gambia)! Message-ID: <19980131094148.AAA18824@nijii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Amadou, I have just been to The Gambia last November with 19 Danish students and two teachers. The trip had been a greet success partly because both the hosts and guests learnt a lot from each other during the period. We went to Kuntaur Junior Secondary School ( Kuntaur Fullakunda) where the students stayed for 10 days. We stayed in a compound and they were sleeping on mats (Baso lu) we bought in Niamina Jarreng on our way. The rest of the other 11 days were spent in the Kombos.
I can see that your trip will only last for 11 days which in my opinion is seems to be very short. I don't know if you intend to just stay in the greater Banjul area or you want to also go to the provinces.
However, if you have the time, you could travel to Janjangbureh (formally George Town) and visit the old slave house there. You also have the Armitage High School there on the Island. At the same time you have the chance to visit the Stone circles at Wasu which is not far from there. There is a rest house in Janjanbureh.
I have a lot of photos from the trip which I shall put on a website and I will inform you later where you can find them.
Torstein had been of great help during our preparation for the trip and he had already arranged for a mini- bus from the GPTC which transported us there and came back to pick the students at the end of the trip.
We made some research on where we will stay during our next trip hopefully by the end of this year. There is the Rosa Hostel, belonging to the Girl guides association where you can have a room with two beds for only D110 including breakfast. The lunch costs D25 and D35 for dinner. Their phone number is 390510.
The hostel is around Kairaba Avenue (the old pipeline road).
Regards Momodou Camara
On 30 Jan 98 at 22:44, A. Scattred Janneh wrote:
> Gambia-l: > > I should be taking about 20 students and one other faculty member to > Senegal and The Gambia as part of a "Foreign Study" project from > July 10-21, 1998. It's an attempt to forge some link between the > University of Tennessee and institutions in Senegambia.
> > The participants are very excited about the opportunity. They are > putting together plans to collect books, computers, etc. as > donations to the Gambian and Senegalese institutions. Various > university departments are pooling their resources to make the trip > a reality. Hopefully this will be the first of many trips to come. > > I received excellent input from my good friend, Dr. Ebrima Sall, on > where to go, who to see, etc. in Senegal. I need similar > suggestions for The Gambia. It would also be nice if we can get > housing (dorm rooms okay) and transportation at reasonable rates > (particularly from those receiving the donations). > > The course title is "The TransAtlantic Slave Trade." > > Let me know what you think. > > Amadou SJ > > ps: Perhaps the Kartong International Airport will be inaugurated by > then! Ooops! I meant GUNJUR!
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:40:59 +0200 (EET) From: edi sidibeh <lha7edsi@kyamk.fi> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: suggestion Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980131164600.8497C-100000@it4.kyamk.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Dear People I am first of all apologising for any offence that might a encounter, by using a language that was imposed to us with a little choice to be able to express myself in the developing world,since we do not have either mandinka or wollof in common. However, my suggestion to the bantaba as a concern individual, base on the fact that some member are acting on issues off-handedly.If i am not mistaking,this bantaba is for gambians and pro-gambians to come forward with their opinions concerning ways to purvey our MOTHER LAND (THE GAMBIA).If that is the case, why can't we respect each other's opinion? It's very annoying seeing intellectual people with great idea,sharing the same common goal, insulting eother ach or taking matters personally.The Gambia at this present moment doesn't need that, but the act of procuring provisions to brighten or polish Her up again.
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:41:26 -0500 From: "A. Scattred Janneh" <amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: [Fwd: GRATITUDE] Message-ID: <34D33816.2873@Mail.lig.bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
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Gambia-l:
I am very elated by the invaluable advise I have been receiving from the list on my planned trip to The Gambia. Special thanks to Ebrima Sall, Momodou Camara, Tombong Saidy, Bass, and Malanding.
You've pointed out some things that I took for granted: bureaucratic "red-tape," exploring well beyond the Kombos, time, contacts, etc.
I am indeed grateful to all of you for sharing your experiences and knowledge.
Amadou SJ
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:46:18 PST From: "momodou njie" <momhnjie@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re:My Commentary On What PDOIS Had To Say On The ECONOMY!! Message-ID: <19980131164620.28992.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain
Hi Everyone,
I think there are real difficulties with Bass' arguments. I am sure he is quite capable of identifying those difficulties himself; especially, now that Ramadan is over. It seems to me also that Bass needs to do more research regarding PDOIS and what the party stands for. This is not to start an argument but a simple plea for objectivity. BTW more than 2/3 of EU governments, including Britain, France and Germany, are socialists. Also, nationalisation, or renationalisation, is very much on the agenda in some EU countries, including Britain. I think what we should be concerned about is what works in our particular situation. We should also be more flexible in the way we describe political philosophies. If a party says it is socialist, I think we should take the trouble to study their type of socialism, instead of branding them Marxists, Communists etc. I would be very disappointed if a modern party like PDOIS employs Marxists principles, hook, line and sinker, in the Gambian context.
I intended to type 2 or 3 sentences. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Regards, Momodou
>From gambia-l-owner@u.washington.edu Fri Jan 30 21:10:06 1998 >Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) > by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP > id VAA29236; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:09:57 -0800 >Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) > by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP > id VAA31320 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:09:43 -0800 >Received: from qatar.net.qa (qatar.net.qa [194.133.33.11]) > by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP > id VAA26897 for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:09:40 -0800 >Received: from q-tel.qatar.net by qatar.net.qa (SMI-8.6/Qatar-Internet-Sendmail It's now Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:03:38 -0300) > id IAA22843; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:03:38 -0300 >Message-Id: <01bd2e06$04f3a600$3d2385c2@q-tel.qatar.net> >Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:06:42 +0300 >Reply-To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu >Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu >Precedence: bulk >From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> >To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re:My Commentary On What PDOIS Had To Say On The ECONOMY!! >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > >ALPHA Robinson WROTE:- > >As I hate to speculate, I'll leave it to you to answer or not answer >as you like. One thing is certain though. In your contribution you >haven't provided any alternative. To say that the way should be paved >for private investors is so cheap that I would not like to believe >this is all you have to offer the Gambian people. >**************************************************************************** >*********************** >Hello Mr.Robinson! > I am terribly sorry for the belated >response;its mainly because your timing was a little bit inconvenient, since >your contribution came at a time when I was somewhat busy trying to catch up >with what I had missed so much,namely,eating during the daytime.I hope you >won't misunderstand me here.I am neither a Badibunka nor is my surname >Jaiteh Kunda Nkoo or something like Ceesay etc.;its just that its all too >human to be impatient to have that daytime bite of Beena Chinn after thirty >grueling days of fasting. So,thank you very much for your interest in what I >wrote and the effort you made to respond to it. > >Since Pa Musa Jallow,one of our men on the ground back home,has already made >my job easier by the response he made,these couple of Riyals I would want to >subscribe to our nations "Osusu" (Economy) debate would be brief. > >If I understand you correctly,you do not accept my assertion that because >Pdois is a socialist party,the way it sees the economic problems in the >Gambia and the solutions it proposes for them are more or less related to >the Socialist view of how economic problems should be handled by the >state.And if I am wrong in assuming that,then I do not know what the letter >"S" in the acronym PDOIS stands for.But if you say that: "Yes,the S stands >for socialism,but No,it has no bearing on how the Pdois people think" then >the "Intellectual Honesty" or lack of it that you have been lecturing us >about here should be looked at again very carefully! > >Your concerns about the downside of the market forces are well founded.But >we can talk about ways and means of minimizing the brutal impact of those >forces on the weaker sectors of our society, while at the same time >accepting the fact that, that economic arrangement is the only one that has >been able to usher in modernity,efficiency and self-sufficiency in all the >societies we know about.I don't believe it would be in the interest of >anyone in the Gambia if we delude ourselves into believing that we could >invent a second or third way that has not been experimented anywhere. > >The third issue you mentioned relates to the salaries of members of our >National Assembly.Again,your concerns are well founded:most of our peasants >are in deplorable conditions.But we cannot also forget the fact that unless >we provide our leadership with a respectable standard of living,they would >end up doing to us what they have always done since >independence,namely,emptying the national coffers and use it for themselves >and their immediate families.And the people who would then end up being hurt >most would be the very people you are now trying to protect,namely,the >peasants.Its just a question of being pragmatic and nothing else. > >Finally,I wish you a happy Koriteh and hope that you would Keep Up The Good >Work Down There! > > >Regards Bassss! > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alpha Robinson <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de> >To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List ><gambia-l@u.washington.edu> >Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 6:47 PM >Subject: Re:My Commentary On What PDOIS Had To Say On The ECONOMY!! > > >Bass, > >As HAlifa stated in his posting, the issue of the national economy is >a matter which "requires more than common sense economics.... It requires >intellectual honesty on the part of decision makers and their >fidelity to propositions that are fully grounded on irrefutable >premises." I would like to add that this issue is a matter of life >and death. If we choose to solve it creatively we can guarantee ourselves >and >our children a meaningful life under the earth, if we choose to be >otherwise we will remain the scum of the earth (please excuse my >language) > >Bass heed those words for they are very crucial especially to us the >"cream of Africa". We the educated ones cannot allow ourselves to >indulde in intellectual dishonesty for the hopes of our people are on >our shoulders. > >Bass PDOIS had stated earlier, well before Jammeh's days in its >manifesto what its stand on the private sector is and this is exactly >what Halifa reflected on the posting. PDOIS says come private >investment well and good but we should not fold our hands and wait >for it. Now if you go about calling PDOIS a" socialist or >Semi-Socialist party and that as a result the economic strategy it is >now putting forward and confidently portraying as the only cure for >the economic ailment of our nation are a direct product of Marxian >Econnomic analysis which is by default hostile to market forces" it >makes me really wonder on two counts: >First, I wonder whether you have made any efforts to know what PDOIS' >economic policy is. >Secondly, I wonder what you were really up to when all of a sudden >the cold war jargon downs on you from God knows where. It's awkward >because in Halifa's analysis neither Socialism nor Marxism was >mentioned. > >As I hate to speculate, I'll leave it to you to answer or not answer >as you like. One thing is certain though. In your contribution you >haven't provided any alternative. To say that the way should be paved >for private investors is so cheap that I would not like to believe >this is all you have to offer the Gambian people. > >Finally, let us be alerrt to the fact that the development of the >Gambia entails more than enriching a few educated Gambians. Our people >Bass, the vast majority of the Gambian people are living in >deplorable conditions. Therefore any policy which attempts to >sideline them cannot be a meaningful one. Perhaps it is time Bass for >you, me and our likes, the educated Gambians to realise that ALL the >Gambian people want to have a better life. I am sure if you were not >lucky to be educated you would heve been talking differently today. >If you were a farmer earning ONLY one thousand Dalasis or two PER >ANNUM you would not be telling us that theMONTHLY salaries of members of >perliament >SEVEN THOUSAND Dalasis is meagre. If you were an unlucky farmer, you >would not have been saying that the resources of the country should >be given to a few Gambians to enjoy. > >Finally, I would like to add that one does not have to study economics >to understand certain very basic things. Of course a person who >studies economics is more likely to be exposed to economic issue. I >would like to conted here and now though that he who makes it a >priority can also become conversat with economic issues without >holding a degree in it. Remember that Malcolm X, one of the most >influencial African Americans, did not posses any >degree in any of the issues he was very eloquent in. Knowlwdge >belongs only to those who sought it, so it is nonesense to think that >only economic graduates can talk about economic issues. > >much respect > >Alpha > > >
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:21:23 EST From: BobbySil@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: suggestion Message-ID: <5b096695.34d36ba7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
In a message dated 98-01-31 09:35:47 EST, you write:
<< If i am not mistaking,this bantaba is for gambians and pro-gambians to come forward with their opinions concerning ways to purvey our MOTHER LAND (THE GAMBIA).If that is the case, why can't we respect each other's opinion? It's very annoying seeing intellectual people with great idea,sharing the same common goal, insulting eother ach or taking matters personally.The Gambia at this present moment doesn't need that, but the act of procuring provisions to brighten or polish Her up again. >>
Edi, I am sorry but the bantaba is not for Gambians alone, if you look at the nature of this membership you will agree with me. The bantaba is mend for the discussion on the Gambia and related issues; therefore, any issue can be discussed so long as it can be related to the Gambia. Also, keep in mind that you can be a Gambian, and be Anti-Gambian (just a thought).
I do agree with you that, negativity is not needed presently or at anytime for the health of the Gambia.
Good Day B. Sillah
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 05:18:47 -0500 From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Scandal (fwd) Message-ID: <34D59D87.6C87@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Ancha Bala-Gaye u wrote: > > With the hope that I didn't misunderstand anything you said, these are my > comments. If I did misunderstand, I appologise in advance. > > Habib wrote: > > >Yes > >No woman in her correct mind would go about saying she had sex with this > >and that especially other people's husbands publicly. > > I'm sorry, I don't see why not. This is not Saudi Arabia where a woman > would not dare tell she slept with someone. It's a "free" country and you > may say whatever you like. Unless of course, you and your partner decided > to keep it quiet. > > >I think that is a viscous and distructive thing to do to anyone's > >marriage. > > If the rumour is true, then I think the married party should have thought > about commiting adultery before engaging in the activity. > > >If she had a relationship with a married man which is her > >private affair, it should remain private . Period. > > Actually, it's the married man's private affair too. And I don't think > that he should be able to have his cake and eat it too (in this case, be > married AND be able to have an extramarital affair without being found > out). She has nothing to lose really, (except her reputation....if she > cares about it!), but he may lose his family........unless of > course, he doesn't think they're worth his devotion and love. > > >Linda Tripp seems to have a dubious agenda with bad intentions > obviously. > >She also may be looking for ransome money. > Habib > > This is possible. > Ancha. Ancha You definately misunderstood what I meant. It is disgraceful for a man or woman to go public talking about who they slept wether it is Saudi Arabia , Gambia or USA. No one forced these women to sleep with the President or anyone so they should keep their dirty linen to themselves. I am pretty sure Clinton did not force these fame and bounty hunters to have sexual relations with him. Yes he is wrong to approach a girl thirty years younger even if she pushed herself on him. BUT I think she should keep it private. The only reason is to get some attention and instant fame for a possible book or film show. Morally it is not right for both parties but it is not illegal act so convict him only --This is what I meant in a nutshell
Hope this will clarify the message and not attacking the messenger -- Habib Diab Ghanim
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 05:53:21 -0500 From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> To: amadou@mail.lig.bellsouth.net Cc: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Scandal (fwd) Message-ID: <34D5A5A1.2B3C@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
A. Scattred Janneh wrote: > > Ancha Bala-Gaye u wrote: > > > > I'm sorry, I don't see why not. This is not Saudi Arabia where a woman > > would not dare tell she slept with someone. It's a "free" country and you > > may say whatever you like. > > What's "free" in this country? It's "buy one get one free," "free if > you spend so much," "free if you take these strings too," etc. > > Well, kidding aside, even the USA's "freedom" comes with some legal, > social and moral restraints. Examples: you may not utter statements that > are likely to provoke a violent reaction ("fighting words"). You are > also not "free" to yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater. > > And what's the relevance of Saudi Arabia to your response? > > Other than those matters, I tend to agree with your overall premise. > > Amadou SJ
Agreed Why Saudi Arabia ?? They do not commit adultry instead they legally marry the woman involved so that if a child is concived in the relationship that child will be able to inherit from the father's assets after his death. ( this protects the children) -- Habib Diab Ghanim
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:47:28 -0500 (EST) From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca> To: Gambia <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Scandal (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9801311826.A4194-0100000@mach1.wlu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
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Ancha Bala-Gaye u wrote: > > With the hope that I didn't misunderstand anything you said, these are my > comments. If I did misunderstand, I appologise in advance. > > Habib wrote: > > >Yes > >No woman in her correct mind would go about saying she had sex with this > >and that especially other people's husbands publicly. > > I'm sorry, I don't see why not. This is not Saudi Arabia where a woman > would not dare tell she slept with someone. It's a "free" country and you > may say whatever you like. Unless of course, you and your partner decided > to keep it quiet.
The reason for using this comparison (Saudi and the US) is because Habib, made a generalisation when he said "No woman in her correct mind would go around saying she had sex with this and that ......". Since sleeping with a married person doesn't seem to be a big deal in the US, then why should telling others be? Whereas in Saudi, a woman couldn't or wouldn't do this, since the Sharia law holds and one is delt with accordingly. The use of Saudi isn't a big deal at all, it was the country that came to mind when I was writing the message.
>Ancha >You definately misunderstood what I meant. >It is disgraceful for a man or woman to go public talking about who they >slept wether it is Saudi Arabia , Gambia or USA. >No one forced these women to sleep with the President or anyone so they >should keep their dirty linen to themselves. >I am pretty sure Clinton did not force these fame and bounty hunters to >have sexual relations with him. >Yes he is wrong to approach a girl thirty years younger even if she >pushed herself on him. BUT I think she should keep it private.
As I said in my earlier message, I'm sorry for misunderstanding. Actually, in my opinion, IF!! he was stupid enough to commit adultery, esp. in a country where sueing others (for whatever reason one can come up with) has now become a pass time, and publically humiliating others isn't given a second thought, then it serves him right. Ancha.
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:09:13 -0800 From: Lamin Jaiteh <ljaiteh@mail.wsu.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Resp. Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980131160913.007b8a70@mail.wsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi, Well Bass I really do not understand what u meant by the statement "But we cannot also forget the fact that unless we provide our leadership with a respectable standard of living,they would end up doing to us what they have always done since independence,namely,emptying the national coffers and use it for themselves and their immediate families". I guess my question is that, is it our responsibiliy to make our leaders rich and comfortable first irrespective of how thet came to power before they govern us the right way.If so that is IS VERY SAD INDEED. Please could u explain concisely what u meant by the above! Thanks
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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 03:47:00 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Resp. Message-ID: <01bd2eaa$e80b13c0$3d2385c2@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Mr.Jaiteh! A respectable standard of living does not at all mean that you would become RICH! It simply means that you would be given a salary that would be able to feed you and your family and also allow you and them to enjoy a certain degree of luxury without having to steal anything from the national treasury.No,its not our responsibility to make make our leaders rich,but yes,its our responsibility to make them financially comfortable,so that they would have the desire to work for us and more importantly,be in a position where they can resist the temptation of stealing the very thing they are supposed to protect.We have to understand and accept the fact that not all our politicians can be as decent,modest ,sincere and dedicated as Sedia and Halifa.Most of the rest of them are just ordinary Gambians like you and me.
Regards Bassss! -----Original Message----- From: Lamin Jaiteh <ljaiteh@mail.wsu.edu> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, February 01, 1998 8:58 AM Subject: Resp.
>Hi, >Well Bass I really do not understand what u meant by the statement "But we >cannot also forget the fact that unless >we provide our leadership with a respectable standard of living,they would >end up doing to us what they have always done since >independence,namely,emptying the national coffers and use it for themselves >and their immediate families". >I guess my question is that, is it our responsibiliy to make our leaders >rich and comfortable first irrespective of how thet came to power before >they govern us the right way.If so that is IS VERY SAD INDEED. >Please could u explain concisely what u meant by the above! >Thanks > >
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:49:48 EST From: BobbySil@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Resp. Message-ID: <7d20d456.34d3e2cf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
In a message dated 98-01-31 19:04:12 EST, you write:
<< Well Bass I really do not understand what u meant by the statement "But we cannot also forget the fact that unless we provide our leadership with a respectable standard of living,they would end up doing to us what they have always done since independence,namely,emptying the national coffers and use it for themselves and their immediate families". >>
Lamin, I guess you are not alone, I was also baffled by that statement. I did not really understand what Bass meant. May be we should give him an opportunity to clarify himself.
If that is the only reason to provide a respectable standard of living for our leadership, then they don't need to be in politics or we are stupid enough to keep voting them into office.
Bass, with all due respect brother...please come clean!
Love you! Baboucarr Sillah
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:54:13 EST From: BobbySil@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Scandal Message-ID: <d65f2d51.34d3e3d7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_886301653_boundary"
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<HTML><PRE>In a message dated 98-01-31 17:56:18 EST, you write:
<< Agreed Why Saudi Arabia ?? They do not commit adultry instead they legally marry the woman involved so that if a child is concived in the relationship that child will be able to inherit from the father's assets after his death. ( this protects the children) -- Habib Diab Ghanim <FONT COLOR=3D"#0f0f0f" BACK=3D"#fffffe" SIZE=3D3> </FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#FFFFFF" SIZE=3D3> >> Habib, Please don't say "they do not commit adultry" in Saudi Arabia. You cannot= prove that, Mr. Ghanim.Yes, it is against their laws (the Shariah) to co= mmit adultry and that does not mean it doesn't take place. Would you agre= e with me, that the law is in place, inorder to deter people from commit= ting adultery; besides being against the Islamic rule? It is happening an= d has happened that is why it is still a law in Saudi. Even if there was = a zero tolerence, it would still be a law.
Anyway, so much for this adultry subject! I hope we all stay away from th= is mess. May I should have never brought up this presidential infidelity,= it took a different angle of discussion. Sorry.
Salam Baboucarr Sillah</PRE></HTML>
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