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GAMBIA-L Digest 68
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re:US companies in Zaire!!!
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
2) Re: FWD: Introduction from Hamedou Drammeh
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
3) On the draft constitution and the military
by "ALPHA ROBINSON" <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
4) Re: On the draft constitution and the military
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
5) RE: INTRODUCTION (MR.DRAMMEH)
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
6) Re: On the draft constitution and the military
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
7) Re: # of primary schools.
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
8) new email address
by Alias431@aol.com
9) Re: GREETINGS FROM THE GAMBIA (fwd)
by SAJOKONO@aol.com
10) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
11) Re: On the draft constitution and the military
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
12) test
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
13) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
14) Constitution once again.
by Ebrima Jawara <aeujawra@reading.ac.uk>
15) Re: Constitution once again.
by "ALPHA ROBINSON" <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
16) Re:US companies in Zaire!!!
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
17) Fwd: AFRICA-ECONOMY: Looking Inward to B
by momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
18) Zaire
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
19) FWD: Introduction from Hamedou Drammeh
by "Ba-Musa Ceesay" <Ba-Musa.Ceesay@Oslo.Norad.telemax.no>
20) Un-subscribe Gabriel Jatta
by mmjeng@image.dk
21) miscellaneous
by Ebrima Jawara <aeujawra@reading.ac.uk>
22) Re: Appointment of divisional Commissioners/ Two helicopters
by Buba Njie <Buba.Njie@econ.uib.no>
23) The Gambia: Into the Future
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
24) Re: The Gambia: Into the Future
by JawaraB@aol.com
25) Re: On the draft constitution and the military
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
26) Re: On the draft constitution and the military
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
27) [Fwd: Software Sneak Peek]
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
28) Re: unsubscribe
by "FATOV KHAN" <0702fk@nov.jtp.brock.dk>
29) Unsubscribe
by sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
30) Information about the ALD.
by TOURAY1@aol.com
31) Re: miscellaneous
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
32) Re: Appointment of divisional Commissioners/ Two helicopters
by Gunjur@aol.com
33) Re: miscellaneous
by Gunjur@aol.com
34) Reconnaissance or curtesy call?
by Ebrima Jawara <aeujawra@reading.ac.uk>
35) Fwd: AFRICA-WOMEN: First Ladies Launch P
by momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
36) Unsubscribe Ebrima Jawara.
by Ebrima Jawara <aeujawra@reading.ac.uk>
37) Re: Unsubscribe Ebrima Jawara.
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
38) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
39) unsubscribe
by Omar Gaye d3a <omar3@afrodite.hibu.no>
40) Observer Online
by "Bahary Dukuray" <bdukuray@login.eunet.no>
41) Re: On the draft constitution and the military
by Gunjur@aol.com
42) Re: On the draft constitution and the military
by Gunjur@aol.com
43) Re: Observer Online
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
44) unsubscribe
by fox_steven@venus.nmhu.edu
45) Fwd: /IPS DEVELOPMENT BULLETIN/ LIBERIA:
by momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
46) First Ladies Launch P -Reply
by momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
47) So long
by Mostafa Jersey Marong <mmarong@madison.tec.wi.us>
48) Not unsubscribing yet
by Mostafa Jersey Marong <mmarong@madison.tec.wi.us>
49) news
by Bahary Dukuray <bdukuray@login.eunet.no>
50) The Observer Online: Additional Demo Issues
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
51) Fwd: Swiss consider demand to block Mobutu assets
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
52) Fwd: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
by MJagana@aol.com
53) Re: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
54) Re: Fwd: Swiss consider demand to block Mobutu assets
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
55) Re: So long
by madiba saidy <msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca>
56) Re: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
by madiba saidy <msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca>
57) Re: Fwd: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
58) Women in power
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
59) Re: Observer Online
by S Njie <S.Njie@commonwealth.int>
60) Re: Fwd: Swiss consider demand to block Mobutu assets
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
61) Re: First Ladies Launch P -Reply -Reply
by Yaikah Jeng <YJENG@PHNET.SPH.JHU.EDU>
62) Re: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
63) Clash of two cultures (fwd)
by madiba saidy <msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca>
64) Re: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
65) Re: Information about the ALD.
by MSarr27100@aol.com
66) [Fwd: PRESS ON CONTINENT 'BLOODIED BUT UNBOWED,' AFRICAN PUBLISHER SAYS]
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
67) Re: Fwd: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
by "Jobarteh, Momodou" <Momodou.Jobarteh@hordaland.vegvesen.telemax.no>
68) Re: Fwd: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
69) RE: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
by Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
70) PLYMOUTH ARGYLE v THE GAMBIAN NATIONAL SQUAD (Sunday 16th MAY 1997)
by "Numukunda Darboe(Mba)" <ndarboe@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
71) Re: PLYMOUTH ARGYLE v THE GAMBIAN NATIONAL SQUAD (Sunday 16th MA
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
72) Re: Fwd: First Spouses
by Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
73) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
74) new member subcription request
by ndeye marie njie <njie.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
ndeye.marie.njie@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu
75) Re: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
by madiba saidy <msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca>
76) Re: Appointment of divisional Commission
by "Jobarteh, Momodou" <Momodou.Jobarteh@hordaland.vegvesen.telemax.no>
77) Re: Fwd: First Spouses
by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
78) Re: Fwd: First Spouses
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
79) Brief self-introduction
by "Momodou S Sidibeh" <momodou.sidibeh@stockholm.mail.telia.com>
80) Re: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
by Gunjur@aol.com
81) Mobutu is Gone..............REFLECTIONS from an American
by Darkstar <darkstar@is.com.na>
82) Fwd: Gotchya !!!!!!
by Alias431@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:23:48 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re:US companies in Zaire!!!
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A sheer disrespect for the people of Zaire, or a simplicity of the
mind? While Mobutu has presumably lost the confidence of his
countrymen, recognising Kabila's movement as a legitimate govt. is
indeed regrettable. Where does this leave us?
Lamin Drammeh.
U.S. Company To Invest 21 Billion Dollars in Zaire
May 9, 1997
Musengwa Kayaya, PANA Correspondent
LUBUMBASHI, Zaire (PANA) - A U.S. mining company, America Mineral Fields Inc., says it has signed contracts
of 21 billion dollars with the rebel Alliance Of Democratic Forces For the Liberation of Congo (Zaire), under which
it will work with the local Gecamines Company to mine zinc at Kipushi and copper at Kolwezi in the southern
Shaba region.
The deal was disclosed by the company's Director of Finance, Earl Young, who arrived in Lubumbashi on Friday
leading a group of international financiers interested in investing in Zaire's mining industry.
Young told PANA in Lubumbashi that the contract was part of his company's programme to expand mining activity
in Zaire and neighbouring countries.
He said America Mineral Fields Inc. has also won an exploration contract for minerals in the Solwezi area in
north-western Zambia, close to the Zairean Kipushi zinc mine. Young said that satellite pictures of the Zambian
site indicated the presence of minerals, possibly copper, cobalt or zinc.
He added that if the Zambian reserves proved to be viable, the American company would consider the launching
of cross-border mining projects.
Young's group of financiers have come to examine further prospects of investment in Zaire's vast mineral industry,
which includes copper and cobalt in Shaba, diamonds in Kasai and the Kivu provinces, and gold in various parts
of the country.
These areas are now in the control of Kabila's ADFL, whose minister of mines, Florent Kambale Kabila Mututulo,
told PANA on Friday in Lubumbashi that the new government intended to woo foreign investment to the mining
industry to help rehabilitate operations and increase production.
He said the country's mining industry was currently operating at only 10 percent capacity and that full production
could be achieved within the next two years under the current re-investment programme.
Kabila's ADFL accuses Mobutu's regime of running down the country's mining industry which he allegedly used as
a source of personal wealth.
Mututulo said the ADFL had started compiling figures of mineral production in the country by the
government-owned Gecamines and other companies.
Recently, Kabila sacked the Mobutu-appointed Chief Executive of Gecamines, as part of the programme to
resuscitate the country's mining industry.
Kabila's forces, who are fighting to remove Mobutu from 32 years of power, last week captured the Southern
Shaba region, the heart of Zaire's mining industry.
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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 13:50:12 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: FWD: Introduction from Hamedou Drammeh
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Camara, Momodou wrote:
>
> **/The following message is an introduction from Hamedou Drammeh/**
>
> ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
> From: Hamedou Drammeh <h.e.drammeh@habo.mail.telia.com>
> To: "'Momodou Camara'" <Mcamara@post3.tele.dk>
> Subject: VB: my introduction
> Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:49:08 +-200
>
> Hallo Modou:
> Thank you again for your latest note. I will try to introduce my self
> here.
>
> My name is Hamedou. I`m 46 years of age, i came from Taifa village in
> the Central River Division The Gambia. I came to Sweden 1979 since
> then I live here in Stockholm. During this years I have gone to many
> occupational training schools. I was graduated at a technical high
> school 1986 as operational technician specialized in power supply. I
> was enrolled same year,at the Stockholm royal institute of technology
> for Engineering course, a course I never completed, because
> of family conditions. My hobby is amongst others, reading, going
> out in the nature and meeting other people. My major interest is
> communal work and politics. I used to be a very active member of
> the Gambian organisation in Sweden. Infact I was at one time
> chairman of that organization. I work at the Swedish state railway
> as mechanic. I`m member of the executive section of our trade
> union there. I am very glad to be in this forum.
> My regards.
> Hamedou
>
> Hamedou Drammeh
> Spovv{gen 41
> 147 33 B}lsta
> Tel:0171 674 82
> E-mail h.e.drammeh@habo.mail.telia.com
HELLO MY GOOD FRIEND,MR.DRAMMEH!!
I AM BOTH GLAD AND EXCITED THAT AT LEAST ONE OF MY FRIENDS IN
SWEDEN HAS NOW JOINED THE GAMBIAN FOLD,THE BANTABA,AND I HOPE THAT THE
REST,ESP. MR.SIDIBEH,FABURAY,SAUL AND KORRO WOULD ALSO SIGN UP.
SO,ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE ON THE PENCHABI,I AM HEREBY WELCOMING YOU TO
THIS VERY FINE MEDIUM.SO,PLEASE,FEEL FREE TO AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH ANY
POINT OF VIEW PUT FORWARD ON THIS LIST.ITS REALLY GREAT TO HAVE
YOU,MR.DRAMMEH ,SO Welcome Again!!
MY LOVE AND BEST WISHES TO ROHIE AND THE CHILDREN!!!
REGARDS BASSSS!!
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:35:53 + 0200 MET
From: "ALPHA ROBINSON" <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: On the draft constitution and the military
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On the draft constitution and the military
The objective of this article is to demystify the assertions which
have been made over and over again on the list, that the constitution
is a military constitution. This article is meant to be objective but
at the same time provocative and certainly not pretentious. In my
opinion to state that the new constitution is a military one entails
gross irresponsibility for two reasons. First, it means that we the
so-called educated Gambians have failed to take up our responsibility
of enlightening our people by choosing to be speculators and
confusionists at this very crucial juncture of our history. Secondly,
by spreading such ABSOLUTELY UNFOUNDED contentions we are effectively
saying that the only way to change the situation in the Gambia is to
wage an armed struggle against the army, for what other means are
there to be resorted to if the military can tailor the constitution
in its interest? And I dare ask, how many of us are willing to take up arm=
s? The only responsible
attitude now is to try to understand what the constitution holds for
us, try to point out and effect changes on its weaknesses. History has
taught us that where legal channels are closed, a military solution
must ensure and has that saved Africa? Let us consider the facts
stated in the constitution and the electoral decree regarding the
military. The electoral decree you may recall served to regulate the
electoral process during the transition from AFPRC rule to the second
republic.
THE STAND OF THE CONSTITUTION AND ELCTORAL DECREE
Section 48 of the Electoral decree states in no ambiguous terms that =84
The following persons may not be nominated as candidates for election
to any office outlined in section 39, unless before nominations are
held, they vacate their offices:
(a) Magistrates and Judges;
(b) Members of the GAMBIA ARMED FORCES, THE GAMBIA POLICE FORCE AND OTHER
SECURITY FORCES ON ACTIVE DUTY; and
(c) Members of the Commission"
Section 39 refers to candidates for election to the =84 Office of
President, member of the National Assembly, district chiefs, major,
Chairman of a Municipal Council, councillor and village head....."
Section 90, subsection (1) (i) of the draft Constitution states
categorically that a member of the disciplined forces cannot stand as
a candidate in National Assembly elections: =84 No person shall be
qualified for election as a member of the National Assembly or
inclusion in such an electoral list if he or she (i) is a member of a
disciplined force". Section 233 of the draft Constitution states that
disciplined force =84 means the Police Force, the Prison Service and the
Armed Forces" Section 62 subsection (1) (e) reads =84 A person shall be
qualified for election as President if (e) he or she is qualified to
be elected as a member of the National Assembly". In other words
members of the disciplined Forces are also disqualified from standing
as presidential candidates.
Furthermore Chapter 2 establishes the Constitution as the supreme law
and states that laws that are found to be inconsistent with the
provisions of the constitution become null and void. In other words
chapter 2 makes it illegal for anyone from the army to make any kind
of law for the Gambia.
Chapter 5 calls for the election of the President and members of the
National Assembly as well as members of local government councils and
office of traditional rulers. It further establishes an Independent
Electoral Commission WHOSE MEMBERS CANNOT BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE by
the President. This chapter makes it clear that those directly ruling
and making laws for the country are to be elected by the people and
not imposed by the army.
I believe this is enough proof of the fact that the Constituion and
Election Decree (which should now become electoral laws) is not one of
the military. In fact the crisis of the vice-presidency was a
reflection of a conflict between the constitution and the will of the
President. The Constitution bars Edward Singhateh from occupying the
post of the vice-president for being underage. So the President had to
do some gymnastics to place his obedient second in command
accordingly. It was also due to the provisions in the constitution
among other reasons that all members of the council had to resign from
the army, because they would otherwise nothave qualify for their
respective posts.
IS THE NEW CONSTITUTION LESS DEMOCRATIC THAN THE OLD ONE?
In my opinion, the new Constitution is certainly more democratic in
spirit than the old one. First let us recall the history of the new
Constitution. You will recall that the crisis ridden transition gave
rise to the formation of a National Consultative Committee on 7
December 1994, charged with the responsibility of working out a
timetable for transition to the Second republic. Jammed wanted to
extend the period to four years! On January 1995 the Committee
submitted a report recommending a two year timetable with
Constitutional and Electoral review accompanied by a civic education
Programme. On March 31 1995 the Constitution Review Commission decree
came into force, giving the Commission a mandate to formulate
proposals for a draft constitution for the Gambia by taking into
consideration the adequacies and inadequacies of the provisions of the
1970 Constitution and THE VIEWS AND COMMENTS OF MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL
PUBLIC INCLUDING PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATIONS. In other words you and I
could have sent in proposals ( I would not ask whether you did)!. In a
memorandum sent to the Committee Halifa Sallah presented a very
comprehensive analysis of the history and role of a Constitution. He
stated very clearly and correctly that the draft constitution should
be seen as the best possible compromise in the general interest of the
Gambian people (my own wording) at the time. He went on to show that when =
the
American Constitution was written horses and Chariot were used to
reach different communities for consultation and the level of
technology then as well as experience in constitutional matters were
very low. Slavery was not abolished by the constitution which was
ridden with flaws and inadequacies which are being improved with time.
He went to asser that the draft Constitution for the Gambia had no
reason to be inadequate for the circumstances surrounding its writing
are much better. In a supplement Issue of Foroyaa =84 A review of the
draft constitution of the second Republic-Book Six" the authors wrote
=84 Going through the Draft Constitution, one can conclude that Justice
Gilbert Mensah Quaye and his team did take into consideration the
concerns of diverse sections of Gambian society. It is now our duty to
dissect the provisions and determine whether it reflects our common
will". The truth of the matter is that the Commission did take the
inadequacies of the 1970 Constitution and concerns of the Gambian
people into consideration. There were also advisers from abroad who
are experts on constitutional matters.
THE PROBLEM
The concerns, fears and interest of those Gambians who assert that the
Constitution is a military one are different. Some say so just
to =91gain=92 political grounds and others say so by judging from the way
the country is ruled, with the fear at the back of their minds that a
military dictatorship may be or is already established in the country.
The truth however is that what the constitution states and the way a
country is governed are not always the same. Besides, one tends to
easily forget that the old is actually what has caused the present to
evolve, by failing to address issues of democracy and development. Is
the former government really democratic as some of us seem to be
comfortably asserting? Lets take stock objectively! In the days of
Jawara was it not the ministry of local government and land which ran
electoral affairs? Certainly there was NO INDEPENDENT ELECTORAL
COMMISSION. Those who were responsible for registering voters and
organising elections were the very people contesting elections from
the advantageous end, IN POWER! Voters long dead were still on
registraton lists. To get a voters card you did not even have to be
present as long as you were on the side of the PPP. In Parliament were
EIGHT MEMBERS NOMINATED BY THE PRESIDENT! Was Jawara not the Commander
in chief of the armed Forces? Did he not have the rights to appoint
and dismiss officers in the Army and Police and indeed civil servants,
ministers and anyone who did not please him from public offices?
Jammeh has just learnt well from him. Did he not have the rights to
send Gambian Soldiers to war ridden areas abroad without consulting
anyone, not even Parliament? Did we not have the Special Branch, whose
heads are by the way heading the NIA, the secret terror agency of the
government? I was once kept in custody for days simply because a
student in the High school I was teaching wrote a critical article on
education in the Gambia. The list can go on and on. For your
information, The Peoples=92 Democratic Organisation for Independence an
Socialism PDOIS) took the Gambia government to the Human Rights Courts
on charges of negligence of fundamental Human Rights AND THE RULING
WAS IN THEIR FAVOUR!
In my opinion, the problem lies in the simple fact that those who are
in power often abuse their authority. Today, no country can afford to
have an openly undemocratic Constitution. Even the most undemocratic
government decorate themselves with nicely written Constitutions, for
they know very well that international recognition is very important
for any Country. What we have been seeing in Africa is a skilful
tampering of the Laws of countries. This will always be the case as
long as those elected by the people and we the the ones who should
know better fail to join the struggle to correct these misuses.
Evidently any Government in power which is only interested in power
will do everything to stay in power. Jammeh is no exception. No normal
person who understands the dynamics of history would have expected him
to surrender himself too soon. I dare say that even if Jammeh was not
ill-meaning, the fact that Darboe came out openly to support the
deposed government, surrounded by the same old elements, that fact
alone would have forced Jammeh to do everything to cling to power, at
least to make sure that the UDP did not win the elections, for
otherwise he would be delivering himself like a lamb, which we know as
humans he would not do.
Whether Jawara was more democratic or better than Jammeh is not the
question. Nor is the question civilian or military rule or Jammeh or
No Jammeh. Rather the question is DEMOCRACY OR NO DEMOCRACY, that is
the question. In a genuine Democracy mechanisms and Institutions are
built into the system as =84Checks and Balances" to check excess powers
and abuse of power, regardless of who holds what office. This is the
reason why the Executive , the Legislative and the Judiciary are
separated from one another. On the other hand such Institutions are
occupied by human beings who need to be aware of their
responsibilities and be ready to execute them without fear or favour.
Such people will not subscribe to the culture of fear and interest-
bound loyalty. Dr. Nyang has shown clearly in his postings to the list
and publications on the history of political parties in the Gambia, how
politicians have been criss-crossing from one party to the other
manifesting opportunism of the highest order, sometimes under the
guise of Language group they belong to, religion, region they come
from etc. Is the situation different today?
CONCLUSION
In conclusion I would like to state that the new Constitution is
certainly not for the Military and even though it has its obvious
inadequacies it has paved the way for new improvements which could put
us steps forward in our march to democracy. The Constitution has
clearly stated that no person from the military can be elected to the
office of President, member of National Assembly, district chief,
major, chairman of a Municipal Council, councillor etc. It has clearly
separated the Legislative, the Executive and the Judiciary from one
another. It has established an Independent Electoral Commission whose
members cannot be sacked by the President. It make it possible for
civil servant to contest elections without having to lose their job,
regardless of their party affiliations (under Jawara civil servants
had to resign and stay away for 3 year before they could apply for
their posts again). It has given the members of parliament the right
to make laws for the country, to ratify all international treaties
before they come to force, summon the president or Government
Secretaries to Parliament, to dismiss the president etc. etc. What is
now left is to strengthen those Institutions of Control and rectify
the weaknesses of the Constitution and above all to contribute to the
awareness of the Electorate, so that they will get the right people in
the right place and not praise singers of one party or the other.
Remember those who benifit from the situation will hardl cut the
grass under their feet. Therefore, instead of simply stating unfounded con=
tentions we should objectively
search for the truth and nothing less, for if we the educated ones
reject objectivity and reason how can Africa move forward. America has
moved from horses and chariots to the electronic highway, why can=92t
we? The ball is on your court.
Respect,
Alpha
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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 22:31:59 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
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ALPHA ROBINSON wrote:
>
TORAL
> COMMISSION. Those who were responsible for registering voters an
It has clearly
> separated the Legislative, the Executive and the Judiciary from one
> another. It has established an Independent Electoral Commission whose
> members cannot be sacked by the President. It make it possible for
> civil servant to contest elections without having to lose their job,
> regardless of their party affiliations (under Jawara civil servants
> had to resign and stay away for 3 year before they could apply for
> their posts again). It has given the members of parliament the right
> to make laws for the country, to ratify all international treaties
> before they come to force, summon the president or Government
> Secretaries to Parliament, to dismiss the president etc. etc. What is
> now left is to strengthen those Institutions of Control and rectify
> the weaknesses of the Constitution and above all to contribute to the
> awareness of the Electorate, so that they will get the right people in
> the right place and not praise singers of one party or the other.
>
> Remember those who benifit from the situation will hardl cut the
> grass under their feet. Therefore, instead of simply stating unfounded contentions we should objectively
> search for the truth and nothing less, for if we the educated ones
> reject objectivity and reason how can Africa move forward. America has
> moved from horses and chariots to the electronic highway, why can’t
> we? The ball is on your court.
>
> Respect,
>
> Alpha
ALPHA!!
IT ALWAYS PAYS OFF WHEN YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU WRITE
ANYTHING;AND YOUR ARTICLE SMELLS LIKE IT WAS WRITTEN BY SOMEONE WHO HAD
DONE HIS HOMEWORK PROPERLY.SO,THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY AND KEEP UP THE
GOOD WORK DOWN THERE!!!
REGARDS BASSSSS!!!
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 22:36:36 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: RE: INTRODUCTION (MR.DRAMMEH)
Message-ID: <3194EC44.7E7F@QATAR.NET.QA>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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> E-mail h.e.drammeh@habo.mail.telia.com
HELLO MY GOOD FRIEND,MR.DRAMMEH!!
I AM BOTH GLAD AND EXCITED THAT AT LEAST ONE OF MY FRIENDS IN
SWEDEN HAS NOW JOINED THE GAMBIAN FOLD,THE BANTABA,AND I HOPE THAT THE
REST,ESP. MR.SIDIBEH,FABURAY,SAUL AND KORRO WOULD ALSO SIGN UP.
SO,ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE ON THE PENCHABI,I AM HEREBY WELCOMING YOU TO
THIS VERY FINE MEDIUM.SO,PLEASE,FEEL FREE TO AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH ANY
POINT OF VIEW PUT FORWARD ON THIS LIST.ITS REALLY GREAT TO HAVE
YOU,MR.DRAMMEH ,SO Welcome Again!!
MY LOVE AND BEST WISHES TO ROHIE AND THE CHILDREN!!!
REGARDS BASSSS!!
--=20
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 00:55:45 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: On the draft constitution and the military
Message-ID: <19970511235633.AAA36584@LOCALNAME>
Alpha,
Thanks for the clarification on the confusion about the constitution
and the question of it being tailor made for the AFPRC.
Peace
Momodou Camara
Here is an article from the FOROYAA issue of 1-8 May, 1997:
*********************************************************************
MR. KEMESENG JAMMEH'S PROTEST BEFORE THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY And The
Speaker's Reply
When the UDP held a Press Conference on 16th April, 1997 and accused
the speaker of violating the Constitution by allegedly disallowing a
motion made by Mr Kemeseng Jammeh and some other questions, FOROYAA
took the position that it was best to wait and see wether Mr Jammeh
would raise the issue up during the adjournment debate.
In our view, the members of the National Assembly are very powerful.
Each of them can hold different Secretaries of State accountable
during every sitting of the National Assembly.
Once they fully understand the Constitution and the Standing
Orders, they should be able to effectively defend their positions.
Since the members of the National Assembly are representing many
people, they should not easily take a fatalist approach. A member of
the National Assembly should always be ready to display creativity so
that what one cannot accomplish in another way as long as what one
wants to accomplish is in line with the Constitution and Standing
Orders.
Mr Kemeseng Jammeh did raise the issue in the National Assembly as
expected. The comments went as follows:
"Mr Speaker, Sir, the Constitution has created the National Assembly
and it is completely independent of the executive. Its independence
should be preserved."
"Mr Speaker, there are certain observations which I wish to make. Mr
Speaker, that is, things are not going as they should; in fact
indications so far are that it is not promising."
"I, as a member of this August body, in compliance with Section 101
of the Constitution and Section 25 of the Standing Orders, I have a
right to move a motion. I submitted this motion an it is in accordance
with section 109 of the Constitution for a committee to be set up to
investigate the government foreign bank accounts and....."
At this point the Speaker called him to order. He told him that he
called him in his office for an explanation; that the same reasons
that were given to him as to why the motion was disallowed are the
same reasons why he could not be allowed to pursue the same argument.
Mr Jammeh continued as thus: "Mr Speaker, Sir, Okay, I will go to the
next thing. I have raised certain questions which were also not
allowed."
The Speaker raised again and told Kemeseng to be fair to the
Speaker. "We discussed in my office so you should, I think, be fair to
the Speaker."
FOROYAA'S COMMENT
We had expected that Mr Jammeh would explain what the Speaker said and
challenge why his view was not in line with the Constitution or the
Standing orders.
However, this did not happen. Hence, before FOROYAA can go into the
substance of the motion and questions, it is necessary to interview Mr
Kemeseng Jammeh to find out what he was told by the Speaker as grounds
for not allowing his motion and questions.
FOROYAA had tried to talk to the Speaker after the UDP press
conference, but he said that he has made it a principle not to
discuss National Assembly matters with the press.
FOROYAA respects the principle, but still urges Mr Jammeh to explain
what he has been told by the Speaker. Once we know what the Speaker
said, we will be able to quage wether the view is in line with the
Constitution and the Standing Orders or not. It is then that we will
be able to make a comprehensive analysis as to wether the Speaker
acted unconstitutionally or otherwise.
However, it should be borne in mind that the Constitution has
provided enough safeguards for members of the National Asembly to
scrutinize the internal and external finances of the country.
Section 150 of the Constitution states that "There shall be a
Consolidated Fund into which shall be paid-
"(a) all revenues or other money raised or received for the purpose
of, or on behalf of, the Government; and" "(b" any other money raised
or received in trust for or on behalf of, the Government."
Section 51 states that "No money shall be withdrawn from the
Consolidated Fund except-
"(a) to meet expenditure charged on that fund by this Constitution or
Act of the National Assembly...."
Section 160, subsection (1) (c) reads: "The Auditor general shall-
"(a) before any money is withdrawn from the Consolidated Fund or any
other public fund, ensure that the withdrawal is in accordance with
the provision charging the same on that fund or the relevant
Appropriation Act or other Act of the National Assembly and that it
complies with the procedures prescribed by an Act of the National
Assembly;..." "(c)" at least once in every year audit and report of
The public accounts of The Gambia, the accounts of all offices and
authorities of the Government of The Gambia, the accounts of the
courts, the accounts of the National assembly and accounts of all
Public Enterprisees;"
Hence, the members of the National Assembly shall sooner or later have
ample time to question the Auditor general about Government finances.
All that is required of them is to be alert and sincere to the
national interest.
*********************************************************************
According to the FOROYAA Supplement of the 27 April 1997 ( on the
sitting of the National Assembly); in answer to a question raised by
Mr Abu K. Kassama on the amount and the source of funding covering the
major projects implemented since July 22, 1994, the Secretary of State
indicated that the amount involved is equivalent to D737 million.
"Hence, it should be clear that constitutional and democratic
structures provide the best guarantee to ensure transparency and
accountability"
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 00:55:44 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: # of primary schools.
Message-ID: <19970511235633.AAB36584@LOCALNAME>
On 6 Sep 96 at 10:16, TSaidy1050@aol.com wrote:
> Gambia-l,
>
> I want to remind some us that the erra of students taking their own
> furniture to school is over now. Not only are their enough
> equipments and furniture in the schools in general, some of them
> will have computers by December. There will be schools here and
> there with a shortage of furniture or/and equipments, but this now
> the exception rather than the rule. There is a program, which i
> initiated, which will ensure that every school in The Gambia will
> have atleast 50 computers by the end of 1998. We have 400 computers
> presently on their way to Banjul for the school. The government is
> also working on purchasing a server to provide all government
> offices and shools with free internet access by the end of 1998. The
> goal is to make The Gambia the most computer literate country in
> Africa by the year 2020.
>
> Enough for to day.
>
> Best regards.
> Tombong
>
Welcome back on board Tombong. I just want to enquire if the
computers you mentioned here have arrived or was it just an election
propaganda?
Regards
Momodou camara
*******************************************************
http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara
**"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's
possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible"***
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:51:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alias431@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: new email address
Message-ID: <970511195158_-1566868049@emout15.mail.aol.com>
Dear List Managers:
Could you please add my other email address to the list? It would be much
easier for me. The address is: hsecka@panther.gsu.edu
Also, could you add Beran & Pullo Samba to the list; their address is:
beezo96@aol.com
Thanks!
Haddijatou Secka
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:09:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: SAJOKONO@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: GREETINGS FROM THE GAMBIA (fwd)
Message-ID: <970511210715_-766299428@emout05.mail.aol.com>
Congratulations Tombong on your new appointment. I wish you the very best
and I hope you will bring in a lot of businesses to The Gambia. Also,I hope
you can help bring end to the electricity problem that has in my openion kept
a lot a potential investors away from investing in the country.
Peace
Sarjo
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:38:48 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <19970512073942.AAA38144@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Beran & Pullo Samba have been added to the list. Welcome to the
Gambia-l, we look forward to your contributions. Please send an
introduction to:
gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Regards
Momodou Camara
*******************************************************
http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara
**"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's
possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible"***
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:58:20 +0200
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: On the draft constitution and the military
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970512065820.006e3310@golf.uib.no>
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ALPHA! Thanks a lot for the very sensible and wise manner you approached
this issue. People, like me, are getting tired of "tailor-made constitution
for the military/Jammeh". I still can't figure out how a reasonable person,
"urging" for "democracy", can say the former constitution is more
"democratic" than the present. May be we should redefine democracy as
"personal-interest" against that of the majority. Also in the present
constitution, The National Assembly can even disapprove the appointment, BY
THE PRESIDENT, of any Sect. of State. If we had this provision in the former
constitution, may be controversial appointments like, just to name one, that
of Saihou Sabally to the Office of Vice President could be avoided. People
were making unnecessary noise accusing Jammeh of manipulating the
constitution only be predicting that Edward Sighateh will be appointed to
the office of VP. To their disappointment, that did not happen. This would
not even have been a topic under Jawara because all he did was "OKAY",
challenged only by a few. In my opinion, this ("2nd Republic) is a pretty
good new start, an opportunity we should grab with both hands and nurture a
true democracy in Gambia instead of creating room for instability. Confucius
say: WHEN GATES OF OPPORTUNITY OPEN WIDE, JUMP IN WITH BOTH FEET. Unless we,
the educated ones, who are supposed to "know better" act as such, our way is
even longer that we think.
KEEP IT UP, ALPHA!!!!!
Regards,
::)))Abdou Oujimai
-----------------------------------
At 20:35 11.05.97 MET, ALPHA wrote:
>In conclusion I would like to state that the new Constitution is
>certainly not for the Military and even though it has its obvious
>inadequacies it has paved the way for new improvements which could put
>us steps forward in our march to democracy. The Constitution has
>clearly stated that no person from the military can be elected to the
>office of President, member of National Assembly, district chief,
>major, chairman of a Municipal Council, councillor etc. It has clearly
>separated the Legislative, the Executive and the Judiciary from one
>another. It has established an Independent Electoral Commission whose
>members cannot be sacked by the President. It make it possible for
>civil servant to contest elections without having to lose their job,
>regardless of their party affiliations (under Jawara civil servants
>had to resign and stay away for 3 year before they could apply for
>their posts again). It has given the members of parliament the right
>to make laws for the country, to ratify all international treaties
>before they come to force, summon the president or Government
>Secretaries to Parliament, to dismiss the president etc. etc. What is
>now left is to strengthen those Institutions of Control and rectify
>the weaknesses of the Constitution and above all to contribute to the
>awareness of the Electorate, so that they will get the right people in
>the right place and not praise singers of one party or the other.
>
>Remember those who benifit from the situation will hardl cut the
>grass under their feet. Therefore, instead of simply stating unfounded
contentions we should objectively
>search for the truth and nothing less, for if we the educated ones
>reject objectivity and reason how can Africa move forward. America has
>moved from horses and chariots to the electronic highway, why can't
>we? The ball is on your court.
>
>Respect,
>
>Alpha
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:40:56 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
To: "'gambia'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: test
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Friends, thank you for a fantastic job. I hope I come through now.
Asbj=F8rn
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:28:20 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <19970512092914.AAA32384@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Tor Blaha has been added to the list. Welcome to the
Gambia-l Tor, we look forward to your contributions. Please send an
introduction of yourself to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Regards
Momodou Camara
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:39:50 +0100 (BST)
From: Ebrima Jawara <aeujawra@reading.ac.uk>
To: Gambia-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Constitution once again.
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.970512112028.20180A-100000@suma3.reading.ac.uk>
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Alpha, you have explained how you were arrested by Jawara's thugs, who now
serve the present regime. I hope you do not think that because of my
relation to Jawara, that I am not capable of being objective. You
advocate the use of violence to get rid of Jawara. No problem with me. I
am not a politician. I am only having fun. But I see I have touched a raw
nerve. Many appologies. Regardless of the past regimes record, I think
people who suffered like you, innocent people, are also suffering in
similar ways. Or is it not a concern of yours anymore? Is it their turn?
On another note. How much power does the democratic speaker have? Is it
only safe questions approved by him that can be asked? What are your
views, on the missing $24.7. Or it does not matter? As long as it is not
someone from the Jawara regime you have a personal hatred for?
If we are going to be objective, then let us be objective. If not let
everyone stick to their own camps and be as biased as possible. Till then.
Yours humbly,
Ebrima Jawara.
PS Keep up the good work down there.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:08:02 + 0200 MET
From: "ALPHA ROBINSON" <garob1@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Constitution once again.
Message-ID: <94F28F6959@cip.hx.uni-paderborn.de>
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Ebrima,
I have nothing against anyone in the past or new regime. FROM YOUR
REPLY IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT YOU HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD MY MESSAGE.
Please read it CAREFULLY before you make any comments. Please note
that it is not my intention to personalise the discussion. In case
you feel upset by my writing, I'm terribly sorry, hoping all the same
that you will listen carefully with an open democratic mind. If there
is any camp I embrace then it is that of reason and objectivity and
there I have chosen to remain.
with much respect,
Alpha.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:26:05 -0400
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu, binta@iuj.ac.jp
Subject: Re:US companies in Zaire!!!
Message-ID: <199705121226.IAA02244@cedar.ffr.mtu.edu>
> From GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu Sun May 11 03:24:14 1997
> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:23:48 JST +900
> From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re:US companies in Zaire!!!
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN
>
> A sheer disrespect for the people of Zaire, or a simplicity of the
> mind? While Mobutu has presumably lost the confidence of his
> countrymen, recognising Kabila's movement as a legitimate govt. is
> indeed regrettable. Where does this leave us?
>
> Lamin Drammeh.
>
>
> U.S. Company To Invest 21 Billion Dollars in Zaire
>
> May 9, 1997
>
> Musengwa Kayaya, PANA Correspondent
>
> LUBUMBASHI, Zaire (PANA) - A U.S. mining company, America Mineral Fields Inc., says it has signed contracts
> of 21 billion dollars with the rebel Alliance Of Democratic Forces For the Liberation of Congo (Zaire), under which
> it will work with the local Gecamines Company to mine zinc at Kipushi and copper at Kolwezi in the southern
> Shaba region.
>
> The deal was disclosed by the company's Director of Finance, Earl Young, who arrived in Lubumbashi on Friday
> leading a group of international financiers interested in investing in Zaire's mining industry.
>
> Young told PANA in Lubumbashi that the contract was part of his company's programme to expand mining activity
> in Zaire and neighbouring countries.
>
> He said America Mineral Fields Inc. has also won an exploration contract for minerals in the Solwezi area in
> north-western Zambia, close to the Zairean Kipushi zinc mine. Young said that satellite pictures of the Zambian
> site indicated the presence of minerals, possibly copper, cobalt or zinc.
>
> He added that if the Zambian reserves proved to be viable, the American company would consider the launching
> of cross-border mining projects.
>
> Young's group of financiers have come to examine further prospects of investment in Zaire's vast mineral industry,
> which includes copper and cobalt in Shaba, diamonds in Kasai and the Kivu provinces, and gold in various parts
> of the country.
>
> These areas are now in the control of Kabila's ADFL, whose minister of mines, Florent Kambale Kabila Mututulo,
> told PANA on Friday in Lubumbashi that the new government intended to woo foreign investment to the mining
> industry to help rehabilitate operations and increase production.
>
> He said the country's mining industry was currently operating at only 10 percent capacity and that full production
> could be achieved within the next two years under the current re-investment programme.
>
> Kabila's ADFL accuses Mobutu's regime of running down the country's mining industry which he allegedly used as
> a source of personal wealth.
>
> Mututulo said the ADFL had started compiling figures of mineral production in the country by the
> government-owned Gecamines and other companies.
>
> Recently, Kabila sacked the Mobutu-appointed Chief Executive of Gecamines, as part of the programme to
> resuscitate the country's mining industry.
>
> Kabila's forces, who are fighting to remove Mobutu from 32 years of power, last week captured the Southern
> Shaba region, the heart of Zaire's mining industry.
>
>
Lamin, I thank you for your insight. Maybe it is time for us all to learn from the past.
Malanding
------------------------------
Date: 12 May 1997 13:24:10 GMT
From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Fwd: AFRICA-ECONOMY: Looking Inward to B
Message-ID: <3177050079.273037439@inform-bbs.dk>
Copyright 1997 InterPress Service, all rights reserved.
Worldwide distribution via the APC networks.
*** 08-May-97 ***
Title: AFRICA-ECONOMY: Looking Inward to Boost Trade and Investment
by Gumisai Mutume
ADDIS ABABA, May 8 (IPS) -- Senior African officials have pledged
that their countries will work towards boosting domestic savings
and investment so as to enhance prospects for trade.
With overseas development assistance falling and foreign
investors paying scant attention to Africa, the continent needs to
look inward, they noted at a May 5-8 conference of ministers of
economic and social development.
The conference, held here and hosted by the UN Economic
Commission for Africa (ECA), stressed that mobilising domestic
savings was vital to complementing meagre foreign direct
investment (FDI) in the continent. Only two percent of global FDI
went to Africa between 1991 and 1995.
''Above all, we place the greatest stress on strengthening the
efficiency of our domestic financial mobilisation, to boost our
domestic savings rates and on expanding and diversifying our
countries' exports to the world to increase external earnings,''
the meeting declared.
A study conducted by the ECA and the African Development Bank
on 20 countries on the continent shows that savings by households
make up two-thirds of aggregate domestic savings in 16 of these
nations but accounts for only 10 percent of their gross domestic
product (GDP) as against 20-25 percent in the dynamic Asian
economies.
''To get there we must first look at what we can do and should
do for ourselves,'' said OAU Assistant Secretary-General Vijay
Makhan. ''Unless we make our countries attractive to our own
nationals we cannot expect foreigners to come and invest.''
The majority of dynamic enterprises on the continent are micro-
businesses relying on individual or family skills. But they are
handicapped by poor management and technology, and their potential
as engines of growth and employment generation is generally not
recognised.
Furthermore, there are poor links between the formal financial
sector and the rural subsistence and urban informal economies.
In a typical African country the scenario is that three-
quarters of all branches of banks and other financial institutions
are in the capital city, while the rest are in large towns. Rural
areas, where most people live, are under-serviced.
Generally, these financial institutions merely imitate the mode
of operations of their counterparts in the advanced world, thereby
keeping out the majority of citizens.
''In order for African intermediaries to play a more dynamic
role in mobilising private domestic savings, it seems therefore
that they will have to begin by developing a new range of
innovative financial instruments tailored to the savings needs and
capabilities of African households ...'' notes an ECA trade and
investment report.
While the organisation feels weight should be placed on
developing more straight-forward, easy to understand, low-risk
saving instruments, governments should also establish regimes
tailored to the economic conditions and risk factors existing in
African countries. Incentives in the form of rewards for correct
behaviour by financial institutions could also fuel the change.
Practically all African states have taken steps to improve
their investment regimes so as to boost local and foreign
investment. Increased local investment tends to lead foreign
investment and overseas investors often look for local partners
with whom to enter into business ventures.
There is a vigorous renewal on the African continent. Fiscal
deficits have been reduced in a growing number of countries, money
supply has been disciplined, inflation rates are falling,
currencies are finding realistic levels, economies are recovering
and a resurgent private sector is emerging.
Growth rates over the last few years are encouraging. A growing
number of countries such as Botswana, Mauritius and Uganda
experienced average annual GDP growth of more than five percent
between 1990 and 1994.
However, some feel excessive emphasis should not be placed on
external trade or else domestic trade could continue to suffer.
'Export-led growth', which was to be heralded by the wave of
liberalisation, is still on hold as the continent extricates
itself from the stranglehold of over-concentration on primary
production -- coffee and cocoa are still the two major sources of
foreign exchange in many African countries.
''It is clear that we have yet to go a long way before we can
confidently say that we have managed to save our continent from
economic marginalisation which is still a real and potent
danger,'' said Ethiopian Deputy Prime Minister Kassu Yilala.
(end/ips/gm/kb/97)
Origin: Harare/AFRICA-ECONOMY/
----
[c] 1997, InterPress Third World News Agency (IPS)
All rights reserved
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:47:06 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
To: "'gambia'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Zaire
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One of you posted the data of Mobutu Sese Seko. Do you have anything on
Laurent Kabila ? Who is he ? What is his objectives, plans for Zaire ?
Is he just a marionet for leaders in the surrounding countries, or what
? We all just concentrate on the removel of a President who has been
misleading his country for many years, but who is the successor ? We
have started that discussion now in Denmark, when we can see that
Mobutus days in power are running out.=20
Regards to all, now our Gambia-L are reconstructed-thanks. Asbj=F8rn
Nordam
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Date: 12 May 1997 16:15:22 +0200
From: "Ba-Musa Ceesay" <Ba-Musa.Ceesay@Oslo.Norad.telemax.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu (Receipt notification requested)
Cc: GAMBIA-L <x400@norad.telemax.no> (Receipt notification requested)
Subject: FWD: Introduction from Hamedou Drammeh
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Welcome Hamedou,
I am glad you are now a member of Gambia L. Say hello to the others.
Regards
Ba-Musa Ceesay
**/The following message is an introduction from Hamedou Drammeh/**
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From: Hamedou Drammeh <h.e.drammeh@habo.mail.telia.com>
To: "'Momodou Camara'" <Mcamara@post3.tele.dk>
Subject: VB: my introduction
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:49:08 +-200
Hallo Modou:
Thank you again for your latest note. I will try to introduce my self
here.
My name is Hamedou. I`m 46 years of age, i came from Taifa village in
the Central River Division The Gambia. I came to Sweden 1979 since
then I live here in Stockholm. During this years I have gone to many
occupational training schools. I was graduated at a technical high
school 1986 as operational technician specialized in power supply. I
was enrolled same year,at the Stockholm royal institute of technology
for Engineering course, a course I never completed, because
of family conditions. My hobby is amongst others, reading, going
out in the nature and meeting other people. My major interest is
communal work and politics. I used to be a very active member of
the Gambian organisation in Sweden. Infact I was at one time
chairman of that organization. I work at the Swedish state railway
as mechanic. I`m member of the executive section of our trade
union there. I am very glad to be in this forum.
My regards.
Hamedou
Hamedou Drammeh
Spovv{gen 41
147 33 B}lsta
Tel:0171 674 82
E-mail h.e.drammeh@habo.mail.telia.com
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:21:52 +2000
From: mmjeng@image.dk
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Hello List Managers,
Please un-subscribe Gabriel Jatta. According to him, time with the
net has become very limited.
His e-mail address is: gabriel.jatta@helsingborg.se
Greetings.
Matarr M. Jeng.
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:02:48 +0100 (BST)
From: Ebrima Jawara <aeujawra@reading.ac.uk>
To: Gambia-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: miscellaneous
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Abdou Gibba - Confucious also said "Look Before You Leap".
Alpha - At least now we agree that the constitution is flawed. That it
does give the head of state and the speaker of the house, some
extraordinary powers. You did point out some flaws in the old
constitution as well as flaws in the electoral process of that time. Fair
enough. No arguments there. But do you also agree that there were flaws in
the last elections? In the process? You said that Jammeh is learning from
Jawara, does that mean that things have not changed? Jawara has been
replaced by Jammeh? Or do you mean that he has taken it one step further?
On another note, diverting from what is obviously becoming a boring topic.
Jabou, you seem to loath armchair politics, which this mostly is. Do you
have any suggestions?
Let us learn from the past, and make sure that we do not sit back and let
the same things or worse happen again.
And Alpha, I just realised that to be offended by any criticism on my Dad
or his government would be a sign of ignorance on my part. I just hope
that it is not offensive. However thanks for enlightening me on some of
the more positive aspects of the constitution, though I still think it has
serious flaws which overshadow those positive parts.
Yours humbly,
Ebrima Jawara.
PS Ms Darboe I hope I have set the ball rolling for you...
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:31:32 +0200
From: Buba Njie <Buba.Njie@econ.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Appointment of divisional Commissioners/ Two helicopters
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At 13:32 02.05.97 +0200, you wrote:
>The following appointments of Divisional Commissioners have been
>effected on the 17th April, 1997:-
>1. Mr Dembo Badjie - Permanent Secretary Office of the President, to
>be Commissioner, Lower River Division;
>2. Mr Pa Sallah Jagne - Former Inspector General of Police, to be
>Commissioner, Western Division;
>3. Mr. Lamin Komma - to be Commissioner, North Bank Division;
>4. Mr E.K. Sarr - to be Commissioner, Upper River division;
>
>The present Commissioner, Western Division, Retired captain A.
>Kanteh, will be posted as Commissioner to Central River Division.
>
The criteria of appointing new Divisional Commissioners and Transferring
new ones recently has question my knowledge of it's constitutionality.
In the past, before a person was appointed as commissioner, he must have a)
been a graduate, b) served a government office for a period before any
appointment took place. Furthermore, I can't recall any politically
appointed commissioner prior to Jammeh's government. Whether this pattern
of appointment was just a tradition or constitutional is yet unsure to me.
If this was constitutional, and is still is, I am questioning the legitimacy
of the appointments of Retired Captain Alhagie Kanteh as commissioner for
CRD and Pa Sallah Jagne Former Inspector General of Police as commissioner
of Western Division.
If any member of the net has grounded information on the how commissioners
are appointed according to the Gambian Constitution, I will be grateful to know.
Another issue to question is the appointment of Pa Sallah Jagne as
Commissioner in Yahya's government. Is this not the man Jammeh's Military
government accused of steeling 3000 thousand Dalasis, arrested and put into
custody for over 2 years? Is this not the same popular Ex- Senior Army
officer, whose freedom indirectly threatened the stability of Jammeh's
AFPRC government? Why would he appoint such a man to such an honourable
office in his government?
To those who have been following the political developments in The Gambia,
it came as a surprise. Pa Sallah Jagne is known to be a hard working man
both as a Junior and Senior Officer in the Armed Forces. Among the soldiers
and ex. soldiers, he's was given the nick name **NYING DOKUWO** a slogan
word in Mandingka meaning - this job. - cause he used to work too hard and
made everyone under his command work even harder. His efficiency as
commissioner is not doubted but one begins to think about the circumstances
which led to his appointment. I thank Momodou Camera for updating us on
these appointments and inviting the net members for their opinions on the
questions and doubts I've raised.
Regards....---- Si Jama
Buba Njie
Institute of Economics
University of Bergen
Norway
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:19:55 -0400
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu
Subject: The Gambia: Into the Future
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I must say that I am impressed by the nature of recent discussions on politics in the Gambia even though there are times that some issues become too personal. I think that the nature of politics is that there will always be those "pro-" or "anti-" depending on who you support.
I would thank Alfa for for his detailed article. Reading through though, I come to ask myself and perhaps the list members a few questions.
How do we measure our sucess as we all aspire to see a "free for all, fair for all democracy" in our beloved country? Do we gauge our success by how much we put down Jammeh or Jawara or how much we can do for the Gambian people? Put in another way, can we measure our success when we put greater attention to who we support than what we support?
Should constitutionality of political activities assume importance over their ethics?
Is there any mechanism available in the Gambia that can be used to avoid abuses and excess?
Is the Gambia or Gambians ready to participate in "free and fair political activities given our socio-economic situation? I mean given that the government of the day eventually controls the lives of almost every Gambian i.e. employment, education and security how much freedom do people have in political association?
Malanding jaiteh
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:57:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: JawaraB@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The Gambia: Into the Future
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:18:03 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: On the draft constitution and the military
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ALPHA ROBINSON wrote:
>
> On the draft constitution and the military
>
> The objective of this article is to demystify the assertions which
> have been made over and over again on the list, that the constitution
> is a military constitution. This article is meant to be objective but
I do not think it has been asserted that the constitution is a "military
constitution". In fact Mr. Jawara, who I believe seemed to have brought
up the subject, stated:
> > Was it not evident to all parties contesting the elections last year that
> > the constitution was tailor made for the AFPRC/APRC.
There is a difference here. While you make a compelling case as to why
the constitution is not a military one, I don't see any evidence in
this article that disproves the contention that is being made here and
of which I have previously furnished some evidence.
> Constitutional and Electoral review accompanied by a civic education
> Programme. On March 31 1995 the Constitution Review Commission decree
> came into force, giving the Commission a mandate to formulate
> proposals for a draft constitution for the Gambia by taking into
> consideration the adequacies and inadequacies of the provisions of the
> 1970 Constitution and THE VIEWS AND COMMENTS OF MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL
> PUBLIC INCLUDING PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATIONS. In other words you and I
> could have sent in proposals ( I would not ask whether you did)!. In a
Here is where evidence of the AFPRC's overbearing hand in the formation
of the draft and its revision comes into play.
The AFPRC had a Programme for Rectification and Transition to Democratic
Rule that stated clearly, even in the revised two year programme, that
once a draft was made public, a Constitution Congress or Assembly would
be formed to publicly debate the draft and form a revised draft that
would be put to vote in National Referendum. This never happened.
Instead, it was declared that proposals or suggestions be sent to the an
office at the Ministry of Justice, which was an arm of the military
government and not independent.
That process, in my view, was not in line with one that was supposed to
be independent of the Council. There was no system of accountability on
these suggestions/proposals or how they would (or would not) be
implemented. In case you would like to know, I tried in vain to find out
exactly how to submit my suggestion but was unable to.
In the public debates, as I stated earlier, there was overwhelming
agreement, for example, that provisions for presidential term limits of
at least two terms should have been included but never was. Instead, a
provision was added that set an age limit. Where that came from, God
only knows, although there was talk that the Council put in the clause
to prevent some former political leaders from running in the future. I
listened very carefully to the various programmes on the constitution,
from Radio 1 FM to The Gambia TV, and I never heard about the need for
age limits to be included. Ironically, the Chairman of Provisional
Independent Electoral Commission (PIEC), who was young enough to help to
run the electoral process and work on the constitution, was too old to
run for President!
> comfortably asserting? Lets take stock objectively! In the days of
> Jawara was it not the ministry of local government and land which ran
> electoral affairs? Certainly there was NO INDEPENDENT ELECTORAL
> COMMISSION. Those who were responsible for registering voters and
> organising elections were the very people contesting elections from
> the advantageous end, IN POWER! Voters long dead were still on
> registraton lists. To get a voters card you did not even have to be
This is true but one has to take a closer look at the independence of
the PIEC. Did they really have the teeth to implement their total
agenda given the circumstances that prevailed, primarily that a military
government was in place. When they suggested that they were considering
moving the referendum and election dates, they balked after a couple of
public comments by the Council. When the Commission complained about
the fairness in the coverage of the elections at the state owned media,
all they seemed to be able to do was, well, complain.
Another interesting fact is that the PIEC stated that after the
registration period, lists of registered voters would be posted in the
various constituencies for verification. Members of a constituency
could check the lists and go to a PIEC office if they found any of the
entries suspect; that is, someone being registered where they were not
supposed to. This was to counter a practice that the PPP was alleged
to have been involved in where voters from their stronger constituencies
were registered in weaker ones. This verification process never took
place and not surprisingly, but perhaps wrongly, allegations have been
made after the Presidential elections that many of the registered
voters, specifically those of Jola heritage, were in fact from the
Cassemance region.
Let me make it clear that I am not putting down the PIEC. I think,
given circumstances beyond their control, they have done a very good
job. My point is that there independence was not as full as it would
seem and even the PIEC Vice Chairman, Bishop Johnson, eluded to this on
one of his appearances on TV.
I agree, we have come a long way from the PPP days but I think the
preceding comments and those that others and myself have made offers
some proof that this constitution was tailor made to suit the needs of
the A(F)PRC. I would suggest that these comments be addressed.
Peace.
Lat
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:26:46 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
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Camara, Momodou wrote:
> Here is an article from the FOROYAA issue of 1-8 May, 1997:
> *********************************************************************
> MR. KEMESENG JAMMEH'S PROTEST BEFORE THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY And The
> Speaker's Reply
[..]
> *********************************************************************
> According to the FOROYAA Supplement of the 27 April 1997 ( on the
> sitting of the National Assembly); in answer to a question raised by
> Mr Abu K. Kassama on the amount and the source of funding covering the
> major projects implemented since July 22, 1994, the Secretary of State
> indicated that the amount involved is equivalent to D737 million.
>
> "Hence, it should be clear that constitutional and democratic
> structures provide the best guarantee to ensure transparency and
> accountability"
D737 million! Does anyone have more information on this?
Peace.
Lat
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:00:45 +100
From: "FATOV KHAN" <0702fk@nov.jtp.brock.dk>
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:46:27 -0700
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 03:40:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: TOURAY1@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Information about the ALD.
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Hi Everyone,
Can someone please sent me the programs or events taking place during the
ALD.
I live in california and I am planning to attend this year.
It would make things much more easier if I have the programs of all the
events
talking place.
I am very excited that I would be able to make it this year especially all
the positive
discussions about the ALD that read on the Gambia-l.
Again as I understood it the best place to meet old friends.
Lamin Touray.
E-Mail: Touray1@aol.comm
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:06:05 +0200
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: miscellaneous
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Ebrima Jawara, you wrote:
>Abdou Gibba - Confucious also said "Look Before You Leap".
This is exactly what most Gambians have been doing for almost the past 21/2
yrs, and certainly they've seen enough to make them leap. If any one
objectively check and balance all aspects of Gambian politics (+ & -) from
1965-94 against 1994-97, the hard truth shall always be revealed even if one
chooses to ignore it. But of course everyone has the right to belief what
ever one wants to belief.
Respectfully,
::)))Abdou Oujimai
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:24:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Appointment of divisional Commissioners/ Two helicopters
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Buba,
My humble opinion concerning the appointment of Pa Sallah Jagne as Division
Commissioner is tgat it is a savvy political move by Jammeh. The guy is hard
working , has military connections and perhaps has some influence and loyalty
from some aspects of the military as well as the general populace. It would
be to Jammeh's advantage to have him aboard rather than as an adversary
especially after having detained him for some two years.
Jabou.
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:41:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: miscellaneous
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Ebrima,
I loathe arm-chair politics if it becomes the only thing engaged in without
any active participation to bring about positive change. However, l do
realize that discussion of the issues among us is the only way we can learn
about the things that we need to change. Let us discuss, but let us also have
plans to actively participate in our government in order to make that
difference. We cannot make any changes or actively challenge any policies
etc out here. l just want everyone to keep this in mind and to begin to
formulate how and when to venture back. Someone made a comment that because
the government is the major source of employment, this essentially ties
people's hands in terms of exercising their political opinion etc. This is
true to a large extent and l think that this is where a lot of us can bring
about an end to this by starting businesses which in turn will generate
private sector jobs.This will free people to voice their opinions publicly as
well as actively participate in the political process without fear of losing
their means of earning a living. It will also allow those business owners to
contribute funds to candidates or parties of their choice allowing these
parties to compete on an even keel with any incombent government candidate as
far as funds, exposure etc.
Jabou
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:49:49 +0100 (BST)
From: Ebrima Jawara <aeujawra@reading.ac.uk>
To: Gambia-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Reconnaissance or curtesy call?
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Sometime in April of this year, a man was spotted outside the residence of
deposed president Jawara, in Sussex, England. He was approached by a
member of the president's household who asked him if he wanted to see
someone. He said that he was in the area and thought he might as well pop
in and say hello. When
asked to come inside, he said he had second thoughts as someone might
see him and report him to his superiors in Banjul. He said he would
come back at a later date. He left for his vehicle (which had
diplomatic number plates). His car just happened to be parked a few
streets away. The gentleman was one Mr. Baba Saho, first secretary of the
Gambia High Comission in London (and allegedly a high ranking agent in the
NIA). Later that day, an annonymous caller from the high comission
informed the former presiednt that Mr Saho had asked to be taken to
straight to his
(Jawara's ) residence. Mr Saho did not break any laws, in that he did
not tresspass or cause harm to anyone. However, given the circumstances,
Mr. Saho is with the NIA (Allegedly);
His car was parked a few streets away;
He was about to leave when he was spotted;
He refused to come in;
He apparently requested to be driven straight to the former president's
home;
The police had to be involved, as well as the Foreign and Commonwealth
Office.
Is the Gambia Government scared of Jawara?
What possible threat can Jawara be?
Was it a warning?
On another note, I was in the States in the summer of 1996. I met Mr
Tombong Saidy, he seemed a rather nice chap. I was shocked to hear that he
was recalled/expelled? Does anyone on the list, or Mr Saidy himself
explain why he was expelled/recalled? Is there some secret agenda against
Gambian diplomats in America? We have another distinguished diplomat
serving time (one very patriotic Gambian - Mr Sisoho). What is going on?
Stay patriotic,
Ebrima Jawara.
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Date: 13 May 1997 21:12:16 GMT
From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
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Copyright 1997 InterPress Service, all rights reserved.
Worldwide distribution via the APC networks.
*** 08-May-97 ***
Title: AFRICA-WOMEN: First Ladies Launch Peace Initiative
By Remi Oyo
ABUJA, May 8 (IPS) - The myriad crises affecting Africa have led
the continent's first ladies to launch an initiative aimed at
increasing their role in alleviating African problems.
They pledged in a 15-point declaration issued at the end of a
May 5-7 meeting of the Bureau of First Ladies in Africa that they
would engage in humanitarian activities to alleviate the effects
of war.
They also stated that they wanted to be included in peace
missions sent by the Organisation of African Unity (OAU) and the
United Nations to conflict areas on the continent.
The First Ladies aim to help mobilise resources for
humanitarian work and are committed to promoting initiatives to
''enhance peace in our respective countries and assist in on-going
conflict prevention, management and resolution efforts'',
according to the declaration, read out by Maryam Abacha, wife of
Nigerian Head of State and Chair of the Bureau.
The meeting was attended by First Ladies from 19 African
countries, including Namibia, Ghana, Gabon, the Gambia, Sierra
Leone, Angola, Chad, Tanzania and Liberia, represented by Interim
President Ruth Perry.
Some of the First Ladies will present a detailed report of the
meeting -- which also condemned child labour, the use of children
as soldiers, child prostitution and the use of landmines -- at the
June summit of the OAU in Harare, Zimbabwe.
Nine programmes are to be pursued vigorously by the women,
including the formation of a Committee of Mediators to respond to
the crises and emergencies that threaten peace and stability in
Africa, according to Maryam Abacha.
Speaking at the meeting's opening ceremony, OAU Secretary-
General Salim Ahmed Salim said: ''We at the OAU are ready to do
whatever is within our means to facilitate such a mission which we
believe would contribute to the search for peace and national
reconciliation in countries which are currently at conflict.''
He pledged that the OAU would also ''do everything within our
means to facilitate efforts to prevent, manage and resolve
conflict and stop tragedies within the continent''.
UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan also pledged UN support in a
message relayed by his special adviser on gender, Angela King. He
said the First Ladies' initiative had come at a time when the
continent was crippled by wars of monumental proportions.
In speech after speech, participants in the meeting denounced
the crises in Africa, ranging from hunger to war.
Maryam Abacha called for an independent African approach in
resolving such crises to alleviate the work of international
humanitarian bodies ''who struggle to feed and clothe the millions
of our fellow citizens suffering in refugee and rehabilitation
camps''.
Her suggestions included the establishment of an African
community bank to promote rural development and an independent
African television station for public enlightenment.
Elizabeth Diouf, wife of Senegal's president, pledged the
support of Senegalese women to the promotion of peace. She
described the Abuja meeting as the beginning of a crusade against
all forms of intolerance.
For Nana Rawlings of Ghana, the Abuja meeting was aimed at
tapping the full potential of Africa's women.
Except for some mention in the print and electronic media, the
Abuja meeting generated little enthusiasm in this nation pre-
occupied with some of the ills the First Ladies referred to.
One female human rights activist told IPS by telephone from the
western city of Benin that ''the summit, in my own opinion, paid
lip service to peace in Africa because throughout their
deliberations, the causes of strifes in Africa were not
discussed''.
The activist, who did not want her name mentioned, said ''most
wars in the continent are caused by the lust for power by the
leaders, a strong determination to perpetrate themselves in office
and failure to accept defeat in elections''.
The First Ladies' declaration should have contained ''strong
condemnation for such actions of African leaders while
representations should also be sent to those leaders guilty of
causing wars'', she argued, adding: ''Perhaps such condemnation is
difficult because some of the First Ladies are beneficiaries of
some of the causes I have underlined.''
Sophie Oluwole, lecturer in the Department of Philosophy at the
University of Lagos, also criticised the First Ladies' Summit,
saying it was their husbands who were involved in the struggle
for political power that causes the crises.
''They are not even involved in governance, so what is the
basis for the meeting. Their places are in the homes,'' Oluwole
argued. (end/ips/ro/kb/97).
Origin: Harare/AFRICA-WOMEN/
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[c] 1997, InterPress Third World News Agency (IPS)
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 00:54:41 +0100 (BST)
From: Ebrima Jawara <aeujawra@reading.ac.uk>
To: Gambia-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Unsubscribe Ebrima Jawara.
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.970514004646.23491C-100000@suma3.reading.ac.uk>
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To the list coordinator,
Please unsubscribe me, I start finals in a week, and will not have a lot
of time to be checking my mail.
It has been an honour, and a pleasure.
Best regards to all the list members.
Ebrima Jawara.
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:20:42 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: Ebrima Jawara <aeujawra@reading.ac.uk>, gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Ebrima Jawara.
Message-ID: <19970514082152.AAB50758@LOCALNAME>
Ebrima has been unsubscribed as requested.
On 14 May 97 at 0:54, Ebrima Jawara wrote:
> To the list coordinator,
>
> Please unsubscribe me, I start finals in a week, and will not have a
> lot of time to be checking my mail. It has been an honour, and a
> pleasure.
>
> Best regards to all the list members.
>
> Ebrima Jawara.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:15:08 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <19970514101556.AAA8974@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Momodou S. Sidibeh has been added to the list. Welcome to the
Gambia-l Mr. Sidibeh, we look forward to your contributions. Please
send an introduction of yourself to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Regards
Momodou Camara
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:09:45 +0200
From: Omar Gaye d3a <omar3@afrodite.hibu.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: unsubscribe
Message-ID: <3379B999.59E6@afrodite.hibu.no>
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list coordinators,
Please unsubscribe me. I'm currently busy with eksams and project work.
It has been a pleasure to be with you.
Best regards to all the group members.
Omar
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:16:32 +0200
From: "Bahary Dukuray" <bdukuray@login.eunet.no>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Observer Online
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Hello everyone.
I think we misunderstad each other.
Because agreement was to bring Observer Online and not to pass mail each =
other.
Best regards to all the list members
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:58:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: On the draft constitution and the military
Message-ID: <970514095812_-963007388@emout16.mail.aol.com>
Can someone please explain to me why the speaker has made it a principle not
to speak to the press about national assembly matters. Don't the people have
a right to know? What good are all the safeguards built into the constitution
if in-office conferences are called and no one is told what was discussed and
why certain things being challenged cannot be pursued anymore? Am l missing
something here or is it normal to put down all the right things in the
constitution and then find ways to circumvent them.Someone please help me
understand this.
Jabou
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:59:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: On the draft constitution and the military
Message-ID: <970514105940_-1767434604@emout10.mail.aol.com>
Can onyone who has a copy of the new constitution please e-mail me and l'll
arrange for them to send me a copy. Thanks. I know that my comments on the
constitution are not meant to say that the previous one was better. Lord
knows that all we observed in the previous regime was enough for anyone to
plainly see that no matter what kind of constitution we had, it's existance
did not mean a damn thing to those who were pillaging our country. From what
l have now gathered in discussions on the L, especially the piece by Alpha
Robinson, it seems that the constitution we have now is setting us off to a
very good stride towards true democracy. However, as citizens, we still
reserve the right to scutinize and criticize where we see inconsistencies
because this is what will allow us to ensure that we do not revert back to a
situation where little by little, the laws set down are disregarded or
overlooked .
Jabou.
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 19:07:14 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Observer Online
Message-ID: <19970514180806.AAA61406@LOCALNAME>
You can read the Observer issues at:
http://www.xsite.net/~c3p0/observer
Momodou Camara
On 14 May 97 at 15:16, Bahary Dukuray wrote:
> Hello everyone.
> I think we misunderstad each other.
> Because agreement was to bring Observer Online and not to pass mail
> each other.
>
> Best regards to all the list members
> Bahary Dukuray.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:27:15 -0600
From: fox_steven@venus.nmhu.edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: unsubscribe
Message-ID: <97051413271558@venus.nmhu.edu>
Dear friends of the Gambia listserve, just a note requesting to terminate my
subscription. I will resubscribe in August. I am about to return to The
Gambia (in a mere two weeks) where I will continue my work at Buiba. I will
miss you all (though I have not been a substantial contributor due to
limitations in time). Steve Fox
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Date: 14 May 1997 19:39:06 GMT
From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Fwd: /IPS DEVELOPMENT BULLETIN/ LIBERIA:
Message-ID: <3326336925.284776437@inform-bbs.dk>
Copyright 1997 InterPress Service, all rights reserved.
Worldwide distribution via the APC networks.
*** 10-May-97 ***
Title: /IPS DEVELOPMENT BULLETIN/ LIBERIA: Residents Gripped By Election
Panic
By Attes Johnson
MONROVIA, May 8 (IPS) -- As the May 30 date for the Liberian
general elections draws near, a wave of panic has gripped the
capital city.
Most Monrovians are not looking forward to the elections,
slated to usher in a new government for the West African nation
that has been embroiled in conflict since 1989.
Those with the financial means to do so have set up camp at
airline offices booking flights out of the country. ''On a daily
basis, the offices of airlines and travel agencies are overcrowded
with people with the financial power, who are booking in advance
for their relatives just in case fighting breaks out,'' said an
official in the revenue department at the Ministry of Finance.
''The sale of air tickets for the month of May realised
attractive revenue,'' the official added.
Many businesses have started to close their doors two hours
earlier -- at 5 p.m. instead of 7 p.m. -- and prices of most goods
change daily as instability within the financial market sets in
ahead of the elections.
Parents too have decided to flout the government school
calendar and many teachers are turning up for classes with no
pupils to teach.
Last month, for example, parents stormed a preparatory school
in Paynesville, a Monrovian suburb, to inform the school
authorities that they were pulling their children out of school
until after the May 30 elections. Schools throughout the capital
have reported similar action by parents.
''These warlords are determine to continue to hold us hostage
and loot the resources of the country and will not resist until
they take hold of the Presidency,'' said one concerned parent.
''The fact that they would do anything to eliminate anyone who
stands in their way means we may witness another round of carnage
in our populated city.''
''It is better for my children and myself to be together at
home so that if there is another outbreak of factional fighting in
the city, I will not have to look here and there for any of my
kids,'' said one mother. ''If we have to die together then that's
God's wish,'' she added.
Last Friday (May 2), the Ministry of Education warned on the
government-owned radio that schools should not stop conducting
classes. There are 23 schools owned and operated by the Monrovia
Consolidated School System, established in 1964 to catr for low-
income earners. And, there are less than 70 private scools.
Residents say that rather than adopting a strict tone with the
schools, the government should take note of the parents concern
for their children's safety during the run-up to the elections.
''What kind of government is careless with the very people's
lives they claim to be protecting. We saw how we were assured that
there would be no fighting in Monrovia, only to realise a wave of
terror that rained on us on Apr. 6 last year,'' said a street
peddler.
Last April, warring factions became engaged in a conflict that
displaced large numbers of civilians, some of whom took refuge in
embassy compounds.
Despite the residents' fears, plans for the elections are still
moving ahead. The Liberian police are receiving election security
training through assistance from the International Criminal
Investigation Training Assistance Programme of the United States'
Department of Justice and the West African Peacekeeping Forces
(ECOMOG).
Five hundred candidates were selected for the training
programme, and the first group began their instruction on Apr. 28,
while the second group will start Thursday (May 8).
According to a release from the United States Information
Service (USIS) here, the purpose of the training exercise is to
prepar selected men and women from the police to inter-operate
jointly with ECOMOG forces in providing security at polling sites
during the elections.
The transitional government -- which includes representatives
of the various factions -- is to provide 20 percent of the 12
million U.S. Dollars required to hold the elections, while the
international community has agreed to foot the rest of the bill.
The United States Chief of Mission to Liberia last week
informed the transitional government that the United States will
provide six million U.S. Dollars for the forthcoming elections,
which will be channeled through the U.S.-based International
Foundation of Election Systems (IFES).
According to a source close to the U.S. embassy here, IFES will
provide technical and administrative support to Liberia's
Independent Elections Commission (INCOM), the main body
supervising the elections.
Liberia's transitional government has released 75,000 U.S.
Dollars as its first initial contribution to INCOM. ''All efforts
are being exerted to give priority to the forthcoming elections
scheduled for May 30 this year,'' the Ministry of Information
Cultural Affairs and Tourism said in an Apr. 30 press release.
(end/ips/aj/pm97)
Origin: Amsterdam//IPS DEVELOPMENT BULLETIN/ LIBERIA/
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 21:52:01 +0200
From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
Message-ID: <1356132350.65144598@inform-bbs.dk>
---forwarded mail START---
From: Yaikah Jeng,YJENG@PHNET.SPH.JHU.EDU,Internet
To: Momodou Camara
Date: 14/05/97 16:46
Subject: Fwd: AFRICA-WOMEN: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
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Gambia-l,
I think that the statement made by Sophie Oluwole, a lecturer in
the dept. of philosophy at the university of Lagos, that "the first
ladies have no hand in governance and that they belong at home!!! was
preposterous and especially sad coming from an educated woman. If
anything, they should be applauded and encouraged. Here we have
african women in positions of power who can hopefully make a
difference and should be commended for taking such an initiative. I
will agree with some of her points though that they should have
stressed the obsession of some african leaders with power and their
desire to amass as much wealth as possible. Personally, i feel that
if properly handled, this organization can go a long way. Miss
Oluwole's statement was a bit too harsh, I think. Some feedback
please especially from the women in this forum.
Yaikah
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:09:59 -0500
From: Mostafa Jersey Marong <mmarong@madison.tec.wi.us>
To: Gambia-L:@madison.tec.wi.us
Subject: So long
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970514190959.0068f008@madison.tec.wi.us>
Mime-Version: 1.0
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List Members and Managers,
I am saying so long to you all. I completed my grad. program at University
of Wisconsin- Madison last December. They cancelled my e-mail privilege that
I had as a student in February. I signed on again as a student in computer
science at the Madison Area Technical College (MATC). The MATC e-mail
privilege too is about to be terminated as I have finished that one semester
computer class and saying bye to the MATC too. I won't sign on again until I
get back to Gambia hopefully in the very near future (hoping Tombong will
succeed in bringing AOL or other agency to replace Compuserve) or, god
forbid, if I get stuck in Madison and unable to go.
It was great being here. From the humble beginnings in Fall 1995 (with Katim
Touray and myself here) great stides have been made. The hard work and
sacrifice of the managers should be highly commended.So to all especially
Malanding; Abdu (at Columbia) and Sarian-the twosome who almost punched me
in heated debates we had- it's been fun. You guys are great. Let no one
succeeed in making you feel otherwise.
Thanks
Mostafa.
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:18:41 -0500
From: Mostafa Jersey Marong <mmarong@madison.tec.wi.us>
To: "Gambia-l:The Gambia and related Issues Mailing List"<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Not unsubscribing yet
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970514191841.00667a78@madison.tec.wi.us>
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List Managers,
My earlier message was a "so Long" but it is not an "unsubscribe". Until I
know what happens in the next two to three weeks, keep me on even though my
chances of reading the mail are slim.
Thanks y'all.
Mostafa
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:32:18 +0100
From: Bahary Dukuray <bdukuray@login.eunet.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: news
Message-ID: <199705142031.WAA10461@login.eunet.no>
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Wednesday 14 May, 1997
Hi everyone.
=A0
Spice Girls conquer America!
The Spice Girls have hit the top of the American charts with their debut
album Spice - a first for a British act - record company Virgin has
announced.
=A0
It means the girls have conquered America, an achievement unmatched by
Oasis or other top British acts.
Best regards to all the members
Bahary
=A0
=A0
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:13:07 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: The Observer Online: Additional Demo Issues
Message-ID: <19970514221359.AAA13974@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
The rest of April issues of the Daily Observer are now in place
and can be found at:
http://www.xsite.net/~c3p0/observer
We are still taking names of potential subscribers so if you are
interested in being included, just send an email to:
mcamara@post3.tele.dk
Regards
Momodou Camara
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:05:33 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: Gambia-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Fwd: Swiss consider demand to block Mobutu assets
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Swiss consider demand to block Mobutu assets
Copyright 1997 Reuters Ltd. All rights reserved.
By Elif Kaban
GENEVA (Reuter) - Zairian rebels have asked Switzerland to freeze
the huge assets of President Mobutu Sese Seko and the Swiss, under
pressure about the morality of its dealings, have agreed to consider the
request.
U.N. officials say Mobutu's fortune in Switzerland -- $4 billion,
according to Swiss media -- could be a key factor in the crisis gripping
his vast, mineral-rich Central African state, where the cancer-stricken
president is under international pressure to step down to avert a
threatened rebel assault on the capital Kinshasa.
The future of his vast wealth has been mentioned "informally"
during Mobutu's inconclusive negotiations with rebel leader Laurent
Kabila, senior U.N. officials say.
But, in a further twist, some Swiss are warning that the haven this
country provides for huge sums acquired by Mobutu and other African
dictators could turn into another banking scandal, compounding the pain
of recent disclosures about dealings with Nazi Germany.
Mobutu and Kabila were expected to meet again Wednesday on a South
African ship in Congo but the talks were delayed because the rebel
leader refused to board the ship unless it was in international waters.
The Swiss Foreign Ministry said Wednesday the demand for an asset
freeze came from the interim public prosecutor in the rebel-controlled
city of Lumumbashi.
"This request is now being examined," said spokeswoman Yasmine
Shatila. "If it is judged valid and in compliance with relevant
regulations, the appropriate measures of judicial assistance will be
examined."
Switzerland previously said it would consider a request to freeze
Mobutu's assets only if it came from the Zairian government. Its Federal
Banking Commission had said a search among selected banks had found no
trace of the money.
But in a sign of Swiss nervousness over moral issues, the Federal
Banking Commission is now extending the search to all banks.
The Commission said Wednesday that it was giving all Swiss banks,
numbering more than 400, until May 30 to report if they or any of their
branches or offices abroad had any accounts of Mobutu or people or
companies associated with him.
"The government has expressed a desire for a complete search
addressed to all banks," its president, Kurt Hauri, said.
Swiss media say Mobutu's fortune is spread among secret accounts in
Switzerland where he also owns a luxury villa in Lausanne and his son
has had business dealings.
Switzerland's public announcement on the rebel request, coupled
with the new bank search ordered for Mobutu's funds, could give the
Zairian ruler a chance to get out any money he might have in the country
while there is time.
Some government critics, however, estimate that the issue of
Mobutu's wealth will explode into yet another Swiss banking scandal.
Despite official denials of close ties between the disgraced
Zairian leader and the Swiss, Swiss media have been revealing what is
apparently the contrary.
A call to the Swiss Commercial Registry office in the canton of
Valais revealed that Mobutu's son Kongolo had registered a company in
the town of Martigny, named "Yoshad," in May 1995.
The company's recorded activities included importing, exporting
agricultural commerce and "show business."
The German-language Swiss newspaper Sonntags Zeitung said at the
weekend that Kongolo used Swiss banks to transact big deals for the
trading firm's exports of tons of commodities like diamonds, gold and
copper for its own account.
It said Kongolo had close ties to Switzerland, where it said he
attended school, regularly sold diamonds in person, had friendly links
with Geneva financiers and routinely told clients to transfer money to a
Swiss account, possibly in Lausanne.
The French-speaking daily, 24 Heures, published a copy of a letter
signed by Kongolo regarding a shipment of "yellow metal" from Zaire and
addressed to a client in Gambia. The letter asked the client to make the
payment into a Swiss bank account.
A joint press release from Third World lobby groups, Action on
Swiss-Third World Finances and Statement of Bern, urged the government
to act quickly to freeze Mobutu's wealth.
"It is clear that a decision to block accounts is urgently needed,
all the more so because a large part of Mobutu's liquid assets are still
supposed to be in Swiss banks," it said.
Portugal, where Mobutu also owns property, including a villa in the
southern Algarve region, said Wednesday it had received no request to
freeze his assets.
REUTER
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:44:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: MJagana@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: yjeng@phnet.sph.jhu.edu
Subject: Fwd: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
Message-ID: <970514204453_-896649968@emout16.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-05-14 15:47:56 EDT, momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou
Camara) writes:
<< Some feedback
please especially from the women in this forum. >>
HI,
I think even the EDUCATED men need to contribute to this debate. It could be
that MR O, is literate, but not educated ( there is a difference). So why be
surprise about such statements.
Just look at the IRON LADY's rules, and see the importance of women in this
world of politics. It might be the remedy for the troubles in Africa. Since
the men can not pull it together.
mj
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From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu
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To: GAMBIA-L@, gambia-l@u.washington.edu (The Gambia and Related Issues
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Date: 97-05-14 15:47:56 EDT
---forwarded mail START---
From: Yaikah Jeng,YJENG@PHNET.SPH.JHU.EDU,Internet
To: Momodou Camara
Date: 14/05/97 16:46
Subject: Fwd: AFRICA-WOMEN: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Gambia-l,
I think that the statement made by Sophie Oluwole, a lecturer in
the dept. of philosophy at the university of Lagos, that "the first
ladies have no hand in governance and that they belong at home!!! was
preposterous and especially sad coming from an educated woman. If
anything, they should be applauded and encouraged. Here we have
african women in positions of power who can hopefully make a
difference and should be commended for taking such an initiative. I
will agree with some of her points though that they should have
stressed the obsession of some african leaders with power and their
desire to amass as much wealth as possible. Personally, i feel that
if properly handled, this organization can go a long way. Miss
Oluwole's statement was a bit too harsh, I think. Some feedback
please especially from the women in this forum.
Yaikah
---forwarded mail END---
--- OffRoad 1.9s registered to Momodou Camara
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:56:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
To: Momodou Camara <momodou@inform-bbs.dk>
Cc: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
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On Wed, 14 May 1997, Momodou Camara wrote:
> ---forwarded mail START---
> From: Yaikah Jeng,YJENG@PHNET.SPH.JHU.EDU,Internet
> To: Momodou Camara
> Date: 14/05/97 16:46
> Subject: Fwd: AFRICA-WOMEN: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
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> Gambia-l,
> I think that the statement made by Sophie Oluwole, a lecturer in
> the dept. of philosophy at the university of Lagos, that "the first
> ladies have no hand in governance and that they belong at home!!! was
> preposterous and especially sad coming from an educated woman. If
> anything, they should be applauded and encouraged. Here we have
> african women in positions of power who can hopefully make a
> difference and should be commended for taking such an initiative. I
> will agree with some of her points though that they should have
> stressed the obsession of some african leaders with power and their
> desire to amass as much wealth as possible. Personally, i feel that
> if properly handled, this organization can go a long way. Miss
> Oluwole's statement was a bit too harsh, I think. Some feedback
> please especially from the women in this forum.
>
> Yaikah
I agree with Yaika, i don't know what Sophie Oluwole's expectations were.
Maybe she expected them to discuss all the problems occuring in Africa (
most problems occuring due to the same underlining problem......want of
money and power as she said), discuss the fact that some of their
husbands are the causes and plan on how to get rid of them or something!
Okay, so maybe they didn't discuss the actual problems and how to solve them.
Instead, they announced what their goals were. what is wrong with that?
Isn't it a start? everyone has to start somewhere. being in positions of
power, I think that they could acheieve a lot given time, encouragement
and guidance ( if they need it). I think before any quick judgements are
made, they should be given time and we'll see if it was all "lip service".
Or they could suprise some people, with some of the things they could
achieve, if helping the continent is really what they want.
Ancha.
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 00:18:16 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: Swiss consider demand to block Mobutu assets
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I should have asked this question when I sent the piece but does anyone
know who the person in The Gambia is who allegedly had the business
dealings with Mobutu's son? My guess would be be Sissoho but I have
heard that there is a Mr. Conteh (the man who at one time had a share
holding in the defunct Gambia Airways) who resides in Brussels and is an
inlaw to the Mobutu's.
Lat
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:47:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: madiba saidy <msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: So long
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Mr. Marong,
If you are still going to be around for a while and wish to continue on
Gambia-l, I can get you an e-mail address on my work station (my Lab's
that is). Let me know by private mail at saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca.
Cheers,
Madiba.
On Wed, 14 May 1997, Mostafa Jersey Marong wrote:
> List Members and Managers,
> I am saying so long to you all. I completed my grad. program at University
> of Wisconsin- Madison last December. They cancelled my e-mail privilege that
> I had as a student in February. I signed on again as a student in computer
> science at the Madison Area Technical College (MATC). The MATC e-mail
> privilege too is about to be terminated as I have finished that one semester
> computer class and saying bye to the MATC too. I won't sign on again until I
> get back to Gambia hopefully in the very near future (hoping Tombong will
> succeed in bringing AOL or other agency to replace Compuserve) or, god
> forbid, if I get stuck in Madison and unable to go.
> It was great being here. From the humble beginnings in Fall 1995 (with Katim
> Touray and myself here) great stides have been made. The hard work and
> sacrifice of the managers should be highly commended.So to all especially
> Malanding; Abdu (at Columbia) and Sarian-the twosome who almost punched me
> in heated debates we had- it's been fun. You guys are great. Let no one
> succeeed in making you feel otherwise.
> Thanks
> Mostafa.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:14:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: madiba saidy <msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca>
To: Momodou Camara <momodou@inform-bbs.dk>
Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>, ;
Subject: Re: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
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Mr. Camara,
I disagree, this is an issue that I've discussed with a lot of folks on
Naijanet (the Nigerian equivalent of Gambia-L). I made the same comments
as Prof. Oluwole...I didn't respond earlier, because my views may be
perceived as gender "bashing" (because of my earlier humor postings).
What is the point in wasting our scare resources for a summit of this
nature, without the real issues being addressed??? Most, if not all of the
problems on our continent are caused by the people at the top. Their
husbands are responsible for suffering of the innocent kids in Zaire,
Rwanda, Nigeria and so on.
Why hold such a summit in Nigeria of all places??? A place where a bunch
of ignorami are in charge...maiming the civilian population, jailing
people on here-say, not to talk of the Ogoni hangings!!!
This is not an issue of the involvement of women the state of affairs of
our continent, if so is the case, it will be more fitting to have women
like Winnie Mandela, Mrs. Perry of liberia and so many learned women all
over the continent.
The best job for most African First ladies belong in their respective
households, period.
Cheers,
Prof. Mads.
On Wed, 14 May 1997, Momodou Camara wrote:
> ---forwarded mail START---
> From: Yaikah Jeng,YJENG@PHNET.SPH.JHU.EDU,Internet
> To: Momodou Camara
> Date: 14/05/97 16:46
> Subject: Fwd: AFRICA-WOMEN: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Gambia-l,
> I think that the statement made by Sophie Oluwole, a lecturer in
> the dept. of philosophy at the university of Lagos, that "the first
> ladies have no hand in governance and that they belong at home!!! was
> preposterous and especially sad coming from an educated woman. If
> anything, they should be applauded and encouraged. Here we have
> african women in positions of power who can hopefully make a
> difference and should be commended for taking such an initiative. I
> will agree with some of her points though that they should have
> stressed the obsession of some african leaders with power and their
> desire to amass as much wealth as possible. Personally, i feel that
> if properly handled, this organization can go a long way. Miss
> Oluwole's statement was a bit too harsh, I think. Some feedback
> please especially from the women in this forum.
>
> Yaikah
>
> ---forwarded mail END---
>
> --- OffRoad 1.9s registered to Momodou Camara
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:40:24 +0200
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
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HI FOLKS!
TALKING ABOUT WOMEN IN POWER, CHECK THIS OUT. PERSONALLY I FIND IT
INTERESTING. IT'S ABOUT TIME AFRICAN WOMEN, BE IT "1ST LADIES" OR WHAT EVER
"RANK", TAKE THEIR RIGHTFUL LEADERSHIP PLACES (NOT ONLY IN THE HOME). I
AGREE WITH JAGANA THAT MAYBE WOMEN WILL MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE OR ON ANOTHER
THOUGHT, MAY BE THE LACK OF SUCH LEADERSHIP WITHIN WOMEN IS ANOTHER IMPEDING
FACTOR ON OUR POLITICAL MATURITY. KEEP UP THE FAITH SISTERS!!!
REGARDS,
::)))Abdou Oujimai
............................................
FORWARD:
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Western Division Gets First Woman Alkalo
.........................................
Mrs Mariama Gibba was recently appointed the first woman alkalo in Western
Division. Her appointment as the Alkalo of Bonto Kuta village, Kombo East
District ,took effect on March 10 ,1997. Mariama, 70, was born in Mandinaba
village, Kombo East District she succeeds Omar Sowe. Speaking to the Daily
Observer soon after her appointment, Mrs Gibba lamented the lack of
development for the Village. "Despite Bonto Kuta being near the road, there
is hardly
anything ever done for the village apart from one well provided by the
Brikama area council", she said. She listed the main priorities of the
village as the provision of drinking water, a seed store and a community
vegetable garden, which she said would stop the migration of their youths to
the urban centres.
She further appealed to the government to assist the village with some of
their basic necessities. She concluded by expressing gratitude to the
district authorities forhaving confidence in her by appointing her the
alkalo. She promised to serve the village and the district diligently.
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Thursday April 14, 1997
The Daily Observer
All rights reserved (ISSN 0796-0832)
Banjul, The Gambia
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:53:42 +0200
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Women in power
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Hi again!
Am sure most of you, if not all, must have read this and the previous
forward from the Observer Online. Am just kind of adding a little bit
substance to the "topic of the day". CHECK THIS ONE TOO.
Regards,
::)))Abdou Oujimai
....................
FORWARD:
TANGO Elects First Chairwoman
-----------------------------
The Association of Non-Governmental Organisations (TANGO) has elected it
first chairwoman Kinday Samba-Ndure of The Gambia Food and Nutrition
Association (GAFNA). According to a press release from TANGO, the election
of Mrs Kinday Samba Ndure took place during this year's General Members
Assembly held on 9 and 10 April at The Gambia Girl Guides Centre, Kanifing.
TANGO regards the election of the first woman as chairperson in its 14 years
existence as "history". Mrs Kinday Samba - Ndure who succeeds Mr. Ndondy S.Z
N'jie, is to be supported by Vice-Chairwoman Ms Patricia Wall of APSO and
Treasurer Mariama Ashcroft of Gambia's Women Finance Association, "with this
team of three dynamic women at the top hierarchy of TANGO, and a woman
director,"the release says "the association is poised to take the NGO
movement in The Gambia forward."The general assembly discussed various
issues pertaining
to NGOs and adopted TANGO's audited accounts and strategic plan for the
Association. The meeting was attended was representatives from the UNDP,
FAO, the NGO Affairs Agency and the Dakar-based Goree Institute.
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Thursday April 14, 1997
The Daily Observer
All rights reserved (ISSN 0796-0832)
Banjul, The Gambia
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:27:47 +0000
From: S Njie <S.Njie@commonwealth.int>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Observer Online
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Hi Modou,
My Greetings and congratulations from the Commonwealth
Secretariat in London.I have been noting all your efforts in
keeping the Gambia message service running smoothly
and efficiently.It is indeed an invaluable tool for keeping
abreast with developments back home as well as with
Gambian nationals in the States.I will be sending an
introductory note about myself at the appropriate time.
In the interim I would desperately want to have Yaikah
Jengs correct E-Mail address as I would urgently want to
re-establish contact with her two brothers Tijan and Ousman
N'jie ,both of whom have been lifelong friends and relatives
and we lost touch when I started working in London.
Secondly,could you give me details on how to subscribe to
Observer articles.
Thanks for your anticipated assistance and keep up the
good work.
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 08:41:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Swiss consider demand to block Mobutu assets
Message-ID: <199705151241.IAA26247@spruce.ffr.mtu.edu>
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>
> I should have asked this question when I sent the piece but does anyone
> know who the person in The Gambia is who allegedly had the business
> dealings with Mobutu's son? My guess would be be Sissoho but I have
> heard that there is a Mr. Conteh (the man who at one time had a share
> holding in the defunct Gambia Airways) who resides in Brussels and is an
> inlaw to the Mobutu's.
>
> Lat
>
Aaaahhhh AhA!!!! "GongGah"
Malanding
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:47:25 -0400
From: Yaikah Jeng <YJENG@PHNET.SPH.JHU.EDU>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: First Ladies Launch P -Reply -Reply
Message-ID: <s37ae9db.034@PHNET.SPH.JHU.EDU>
Madiba,
" the best role for these first ladies belong in their
households"........ C'mon, doing what? Feeding their husbands and
children? This is to be expected from a wife, I guess but i still
hold on to my belief that this was a step in the right direction.
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:20:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh)
Subject: Re: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
Message-ID: <199705151620.MAA06992@oak.ffr.mtu.edu>
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I hope we are not taking this isuue of First ladies particulrly the
Distiguish Professor's remark too strongly. First I believe that
labeling the participants as First ladies is what is causing the
problem here. I thought it was meant to be the First Spouses
unfortunately there aren't many first husbands in this world. Assuming
that they meant to say first Spouses, we may want to ask ourselves,
How much influence (control, or hand) do the Spouses of our leaders
have in the day to day politics in Africa or the even the developed
democracies? If we say they do not have much control over their
spouses' (in this case husbands') political actions, would it not be
correct if we say they do not have a hand in governance? That is not
to say that they do not have a role in the welfare of our continent.
I think this should not be misrepresented as another war of the sexes
but should be seen as what is really practicable. I hope I did not
stir the broth in the wrong direction!!
Just trying to help.
Malanding
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:09:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: madiba saidy <msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Clash of two cultures (fwd)
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> By BETH J. HARPAZ
> .c The Associated Press
>
> NEW YORK (May 15) - A Danish mother was reunited with her 14-month-old
> daughter four days after she sparked an international incident by leaving the
> girl outside a restaurant while she dined inside with the girl's father.
>
> ''From what I hear, everything went as smoothly as possible'' when
> Annette Sorensen and daughter Liv were reunited at about 7 p.m. Wednesday,
> said Maggie Lear, a spokeswoman for the Administration for Children's
> Services.
>
> Sorensen and the child's father, Exavier Wardlaw of New York City, were
> arrested Saturday on child-endangerment charges when they left Liv in her
> stroller outside a restaurant in Manhattan's East Village while they dined
> inside.
>
> The arrest highlighted the differences between New York, where leaving
> your child unattended outside a restaurant is a crime, and Copenhagen, where
> the same act is standard procedure.
>
> ''To leave a child unattended for an hour on a city street in New York is
> pretty inappropriate,'' said ACS commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta.
>
> Asked about the cultural differences, Scoppetta replied, ''I don't think
> you should expect the police department to make inquiries about whether this
> is acceptable in Denmark.''
>
> Danes in Copenhagen reacted with shock at the news, saying it is
> commonplace in their country to leave their children unattended but in view
> while they shop or dine.
>
> The international incident began when Sorensen, visiting from Copenhagen
> for a month, and Wardlaw, a movie production assistant, met for dinner.
> Sorensen left the baby in a carriage outside the Dallas BBQ.
>
> The parents were at a table six feet away, separated from the child by
> two tables and a plate glass window.
>
> Employees and other diners asked about the child's safety, but the
> parents rebuffed them. Finally, one customer called 911, and police arrested
> both parents and jailed them for two nights. The child was taken away and
> placed in foster care. The father was additionally charged with disorderly
> conduct, and both parents have a May 19 court date.
>
> Child welfare authorities will continue to monitor the girl's care while
> the case is pending.
>
> AP-NY-05-15-97 0927EDT
>
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 20:08:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
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On Wed, 14 May 1997, madiba saidy wrote:
> What is the point in wasting our scare resources for a summit of this
> nature, without the real issues being addressed??? Most, if not all of the
> problems on our continent are caused by the people at the top. Their
> husbands are responsible for suffering of the innocent kids in Zaire,
> Rwanda, Nigeria and so on.
Maybe someone needs to tell me exactly what was expected from this
meeting, what was accomplished or
not by these first spouses. And for people who want things happening NOW,
I guess some have to be reminded that it is AFRICA. things are done in
peoples own good time, no such word as "quickly". It's something that has
to change, nut until then....alas! we have to deal with it.
Another thing is that, I don't think these women can acheieve much by
condemming their husbands! It won't be a big deal for their husbands to
dump them and get someone else......I'm sure there are women out there
who won't mind being a first lady!. if they put their mind to it, I'm
sure they they can come up with resources it will take longer for some of
us ordinary people to achieve (ie those that want to make a difference).
Also, they may be beneficiaries of their husbands wealth but are you,
madiba, blaming them for the way their husbands have acheieved their wealth??
or are you blaming them for using any of the money at all??
Another question...., are you saying that since their husbands are
responsible for the sufferings, they should be ashamed of themselves and
never show their faces in public places where issues like stability and
peace are being discussed?? this would be a natural reaction. If they
have any
sense at all, I don't think that should expect great opposition esp those
whose husbands are responsible for the sufferings. I think it takes
courage to stand up in such opposition. Now!, I'm not saying that this is
the miracle that Africa has been waiting for. it could very turn out to
be lip service BUT it does have great potential, I think, if these women
really mean and want to achieve what they say.
And quickly, just so as not to bore anyone with my ramblings, I'ld just
like to say that people shouldn't jump into hasty conclusions about our
resources being wasted without giving these women a chance. let's see
what happens, an then in an American fashion, sue them if nothing comes
of it!!!! ( yeah right!!!)
> Why hold such a summit in Nigeria of all places??? A place where a bunch
> of ignorami are in charge...maiming the civilian population, jailing
> people on here-say, not to talk of the Ogoni hangings!!!
I don't see why the summit can't be held in Nigeria. Why not in
the country where a lot of sufering is happening, a place where the
first ladies can see for themselves, an example of what they're up against.
why go
to a peaceful country, away from places where what one wants to solve is
occuring?? Actually, this is just theoretical mumbojumbo ( just trying to
increase discussions on the subject!) cause I expect
their "royal eyes" to be protected from such "unlady-like sights!!" or is
it unspouse-like sights??
> The best job for most African First ladies belong in their respective
> households, period.
sorry but I think that instead of sitting at home and trying to
look pretty and continuing the stereotypical role of "be seen and not
heard", they should at least get off their 'royal butts" and try to do
something. A statement Sophie Oluwole made was that they have no role in
governance or something, I don't think that someone has to be in
government inorder to be able to make changes. I think the Canadians are a
great example when it comes to taking matters into their own hands. many
times they don't wait for the government to take action, instead they
form some group or another and try to attain their goals!
Ancha.
Hope I haven't offended anyone in any way, but I think that the two sides
of the issue should be looked at ie it's hypocritical and a waste of time
and money or it should be given a chance because of the potential or
possibilities. Things start as possibilities before they become a
reality.
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:17:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: MSarr27100@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Information about the ALD.
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THE GAMBIA FOUNDATION, INC.
presents
AFRICAN LIBERATION DAY WEEKEND
with SeneGambian Sensation
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MUSA NGUM
(IN A PLAYBACK SESSION)
OUT OF STATE GUESTS - DONATIONS ARE BEING ASKED
IN-STATE PATRONS - $30.00 FOR THE WHOLE WEEKEND
MAY 24TH - 25TH, 1997
The weekend’s festivities will begin with
SATURDAY, MAY 24TH, 1997
SYMPOSIUM: Howard University Blackburn Auditorium beginning at 1:00 p.m.
The topics of discussion are but not limited to (if time allows):
· AFRICA’S FINAL OFFENSIVE INTO THE 21st CENTURY
· SENE-GAMBIA - FANTASY OR POSSIBILITY (The history of the two countries and
what the ramifications of a unified SENE-GAMBIA will be)
· AFRICA AT A CROSS-ROADS: The African Woman’s challenges and achievements
· TRANSLATING IDEAS INTO ACTION
· IMPLICATIONS OF THE NEW IMMIGRATION LAWS ON THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY
Gambian Attorney, Abdoulie Suwareh and Prof. Yusef Ford will address the
public on the issues
GRAND DANCE 10:00 pm to 4:00 am - at The Bismillah Halal Meat Market
(University Blvd)
SUNDAY 25TH MAY, 1997
(there are scheduled basketball and soccer games. please call for details)
PICNIC & SAMBASOHO (KASAK) 12:30 pm to 7:00 pm 10200 Sligo Creek Pkwy
Sligo/Dennis Community Rec. Center
DANCE FINALE: 11:00 pm to 4:00am HALAL MEAT MARKET ON UNIVERSITY
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IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE CALL 301/445-2850 or 202/328-8049
OUT OF STATE ORGANIZATIONS, PLEASE PROVIDE THE GAMBIA FOUNDATION WITH A COPY
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 01:20:39 -0400
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PRESS ON CONTINENT 'BLOODIED BUT UNBOWED,' AFRICAN PUBLISHER SAYS
(Kenneth Best speaks at Freedom Forum workshop) (830)
By Jim Fisher-Thompson
USIA Staff Writer
WASHINGTON -- While the 1990s proved "a perilous decade" for the press
in Africa, African journalists are still committed to reporting the
continent's political and economic transformation to an eager public
-- whether their governments like it or not, says African publisher
Kenneth Best.
Providing the African perspective at a February 15 workshop on the
press in Africa sponsored by the media foundation the Freedom Forum,
Liberian publisher Best said: "The message...I bring to this round
table is that the media in Africa has never known more repression and
brutality than what we are facing today. Yet journalists, their heads
bloodied but unbowed, are still...striving to bring news and
information to a public thirsting for it."
A longtime journalist, Best founded the Daily Observer, the first
independent daily newspaper in his native Liberia, in 1981. The next
year, he founded the Daily Observer of Gambia, where he had fled from
government harassment in Liberia. He is currently writing on African
media issues as a fellow at the Freedom Forum Media Studies Center in
New York.
Best told the media workshop that murder is "a commonplace tool" that
repressive regimes in Africa use against journalists in the 1990s. "In
1994 alone," he said, "Africa lost some 80 journalists, more than all
the media people killed in World War II."
According to Best, one of the centers of journalistic truth-telling in
Africa is Nigeria, despite numerous human rights violations against
the media by its military government. There, he said, "hundreds of
thousands of copies of newspapers and magazines have been confiscated,
causing serious financial harm to media houses, and scores of
journalists have been imprisoned, three of them serving time for
treason. Yet Nigerian journalists...are still being critical of the
government and championing the cause of human rights and the return to
democratic civil governance."
No government suppression has completely "succeeded in silencing the
media in Africa," Best pointed out. As examples, he cited Cameroon and
Liberia.
In Cameroon, he said, "Pius Njawe and his newspaper, Le Messager, have
suffered constant harassment and persecution since the early 1990s,
when press freedom and multiparty democracy were born in the Cameroon.
Only recently he was again arrested, charged, and convicted of
`criminal defamation' under the country's penal code and detained.
Yet, Le Messager and Njawe's two other publications are still being
published."
In Liberia, he noted, despite the damage caused to the media in
Monrovia last April by forces loyal to Charles Taylor, "many of its
newspapers are back on the streets today and some of the radio
stations back on the air."
Best also mentioned the device of charging outlandish fees for press
licenses in The Gambia. In 1995, "the new military regime increased
the newspaper registration fee from $100 [U.S.] to $10,000 [U.S.] --
an increase of 10,000 percent."
Other regimes in Africa restrict the importation of newsprint, which
enables them to "make it more difficult for newspapers to be
published."
The United States could be of help to the African press, Best pointed
out, by connecting more newsrooms to the Internet.
"This may sound preposterous," he said, "given the underdeveloped
state of the media in many places on the continent. However, the
Internet is here to stay and it behooves all...to catch on somehow,
lest they be left even further behind in the race toward modernity."
Best said that Internet access could have a number of advantages:
-- There would be more U.S. coverage of Africa because "the media
would have ready access to what is happening on the ground in Africa"
and could report "more accurately and more frequently on events."
-- Educational institutions and students interested in Africa would be
more "in tune with what is happening on the continent and be able to
learn more about it."
-- Human rights organizations and other advocacy groups "would not
need to wait until a crisis occurs before they realize that something
needs to be done. Problems could be nipped in the bud because of the
instant availability of information."
The U.S. government is currently funding a project aimed at connecting
20 African nations to the Internet through the "Leland Initiative," a
$15 million project named for former Congressman Mickey Leland, who
was killed in a plane crash while on a humanitarian mission to
Ethiopia.
Despite continued government harassment of the press, Best insisted
that he is optimistic about the future of freedom and democracy on the
continent, in part because of the spirit of the African media.
"It is their continuing courage and commitment," he said, "that
inspires and challenges us to do all that we can to help them in our
common struggle to advance the free flow of information and ideas,
which, I am convinced, is the most important catalyst for economic and
social development and prosperity."
NNNN
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Date: 16 May 1997 09:30:37 +0200
From: "Jobarteh, Momodou" <Momodou.Jobarteh@hordaland.vegvesen.telemax.no>
To: "Gambia-L -Internet... ." <Gambia-l@u.washington.edu> (Return requested)
Subject: Re: Fwd: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
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I wish to welcome all the new members and list members living in Norway
happy 17th of May.
Abdou Oujimai wrote:-
>Western Division Gets First Woman Alkalo
.........................................
>Mrs Mariama Gibba was recently appointed the first woman alkalo in Western
>Division. Her appointment as the Alkalo of Bonto Kuta village, Kombo East
>District ,took effect on March 10 ,1997. Mariama, 70, was born in Mandinaba
>village, Kombo East District she succeeds Omar Sowe.
I have mentioned Alkalo before and this reply was given concerning Alkalo
and Chiefs:-
>Date: 1997-02-23 21:22
>Section 193 (1) of the constitution states that, "Local government
>administration in The Gambia shall be based on a system of
>democratically elected councils with a high degree of local
>autonomy."
>The constitution, however leaves it to the National assembly to pass
>a Bill which if assented to becomes an Act of the National Assembly
>to establish councils.
>Once the Constitution is in force, the office of Chief, which has been
>made vacant by the removal of the previous holder must be filled by
>election within one hundred and twenty days or four months after the
>date of removal of the chief.
>"The election of an Alkalo shall also be by secret ballot."
My question is: Is this lady in question appointed or elected?
Thanks
Alhagi
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:46:01 +0200
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
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Alhagi (Jobs)!
The essence of me bringing up this forward is just to substitute or
contribute to the topic of women's role in African politics or affairs. Also
the fact that this is the first time a woman holds this "office" in our
country's history, to me, raises interesting developments in our political
history. We all know the "role of women" in Africa and particularly Gambia
especially at the village level. I was not so surprised to see a woman VP,
but an Alkalo was never expected by me and am sure many others. So if such a
development occur, it is indicative of the presence of a wind of change in
Gambian politics which is worth observing.
You wrote:
>>"The election of an Alkalo shall also be by secret ballot."
>My question is: Is this lady in question appointed or elected?.....
If your question is to raise the discussion to another level, I can't answer
it. May be someone else on the list can help. Nonetheless, appointed or
elected, for me it's a milestone that will enhance the eradication of
women's passive attitude, help them realize their potential as an equal (to
men) contributor to national development and counter the general perception
of "the woman's place is at home". WHAT A BIG DIFFERENCE WOULD THIS MAKE,
NOT ONLY IN GAMBIA BUT THE WHOLE OF AFRICA IN GENERAL.
Have a nice weekend G-Lers; and ***GOD 17. MAI*** to Norwegian Residents.
Regards,
::)))Abdou Oujimai
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 07:55:55 -0400
From: Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
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Mr. Saidy, You do jest, of course!!!!!! - and Sophie's statement is
misguided for had first ladies and all ladies in Africa gotten less
complacent about what is taking place in our countries, we might have,
now, less carnage and mayhem as we are witnessing. This group of women
are capable and they see a possibility to help in alleviating the
situation on the continent and you consider it a waste of time and
resources. We have seen what the First Husbands have done and continue
to which has only brought grief and increased poverty to our people -
talk about squandered resources!
> Why hold such a summit in Nigeria of all places??? A place where a
> bunch of ignorami are in charge...maiming the civilian population,
> jailing
> people on here-say, not to talk of the Ogoni hangings!!!
>
I questioned holding the summit in Nigeria of all places, but what other
African country has not engaged in the disgraceful behaviours Nigeria
has engaged in? After all, Nigeria is the role model for most of the
sham regimes we now have in West Africa. But really, it does not matter
where it is held as long as substantive achievements result.
> This is not an issue of the involvement of women the state of affairs
> of
> our continent, if so is the case, it will be more fitting to have
> women
> like Winnie Mandela, Mrs. Perry of liberia and so many learned women
> all
> over the continent.
>
Do you mean to tell us that had Winnie remained married to
Mandela she would be expected to stay at home and be seen not heard?
Utter nonsense! These ladies were independent minded women before they
became wives and to try to stultify their desires to participate in our
continents development before they have even gotten started is very
discouraging and disappointing.
Please re-think your position, Prof.
Peace - Ya Soffie
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Date: Fri, 16 May 97 10:15:49 EDT
From: "Numukunda Darboe(Mba)" <ndarboe@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
To: "The Gambia and Related Issues Mailng List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: PLYMOUTH ARGYLE v THE GAMBIAN NATIONAL SQUAD (Sunday 16th MAY 1997)
Message-ID: <ndarboe.1214179789A@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
Does anyone know what this is about. I have no Idea where this guy got my
Address from. May be from the www.
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To: adibba@online.no, at137@columbia.edu, umjawara@cc.umanitoba.ca,
fanjie@gsu.edu, c3p0@xsite.net, Gunjur@aol.com, mmjeng@image.dk,
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Subject: PLYMOUTH ARGYLE v THE GAMBIAN NATIONAL SQUAD (Sunday 16th MAY 1997)
Hello Everyone,
As webmaster for the PLYMOUTH ARGYLE WEB SITE:
http://www.argyle.org.uk
I am writing to ask you for some talk over the next week regarding our
two teams meeting in a footy match this Sunday. Please come and visit
our site (above) and go to the messagebaord to leave a message for us -
we
would really love it.
If not, email me back and Ill leave a message for you.
Thanks in anticipation
DAVID GADD
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Numukunda Darboe
Chemistry Dept.
University of Mississippi
(601) 232 5143 Lab
ndarboe@olemiss.edu
Home Page at: http://members.tripod.com/~ndarboe/
OLEMISS REBELS 1997 SEC WEST BASKETBALL CHAMPIONS
GO REBELS!!!!!!!
********************************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:01:47 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: PLYMOUTH ARGYLE v THE GAMBIAN NATIONAL SQUAD (Sunday 16th MA
Message-ID: <19970516170250.AAA67794@LOCALNAME>
I have a link on my website to some home pages of Gambians on the
WWW I know of and the guy have got your addresses from there. I
received the same message.
Sorry for any inconvenience and I could remove the link if you do
not want to be there.
Momodou Camara
On 16 May 97 at 10:15, Numukunda Darboe(Mba) wrote:
> Does anyone know what this is about. I have no Idea where this guy
> got my Address from. May be from the www.
>
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> mmjeng@image.dk, ndarboe@olemiss.edu, toni@baste.magibox.net
> Subject: PLYMOUTH ARGYLE v THE GAMBIAN NATIONAL SQUAD (Sunday 16th
> MAY 1997)
>
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> As webmaster for the PLYMOUTH ARGYLE WEB SITE:
>
> http://www.argyle.org.uk
>
> I am writing to ask you for some talk over the next week regarding
> our two teams meeting in a footy match this Sunday. Please come
> and visit our site (above) and go to the messagebaord to leave a
> message for us - we would really love it.
>
> If not, email me back and Ill leave a message for you.
>
> Thanks in anticipation
>
> DAVID GADD
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> ********************************************************************************
>
> Numukunda Darboe
> Chemistry Dept.
> University of Mississippi
> (601) 232 5143 Lab
> ndarboe@olemiss.edu
> Home Page at:
> http://members.tripod.com/~ndarboe/
>
>
> OLEMISS REBELS 1997 SEC WEST BASKETBALL CHAMPIONS
> GO REBELS!!!!!!!
>
> ********************************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:22:51 +0200
From: Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: First Spouses
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Hello listmembers,
Let me add my bit: I think it's very likely that an increasing number of
women in powerful positions could make this world a more peaceful one.
Agreed.
But let them please be elected, authorized, qualified.... I don't see,
why spouses/wifes of head of states should be powerful. If at all, it
were their husbands who were elected, not them. Why should marriage
qualify anybody for power?
Let them represent their husbands (mis)governing, if they like to use
the family tie. Or let them use the position of their spouses to raise
funds for charity-/social- or other useful purposes, like many first
ladies in the world do.
But in my opinion they are not authorized to take political influence
and to spend public assets for doing so.
In this sense, I agree that they should rather stay at home - not to
shut up, of course, but to do the work of gaining respect from the
public which is necessary to be entrusted with tasks in influential,
powerful positions. What have they been doing so far and what makes them
capable? If they were able to gain attention and influence without using
the power of their husbands and public assets, it would be a different
thing.
I can't see, why the spouses of the (mostly) horrible guys in power
should be angels and make a big difference. I think they're pure
cosmetic for the bad politics of their husbands. Furthermore I doubt
that these women have the freedom to disagree openly with the politics
of their husbands and to make considerable changes.
We'll see, whether they are capable of making ends meet and whether they
will reward the people for the huge sums they spent and all the
privileges they enjoy by implementing anything practically useful - I
would be surprised but happy and willing to apologize.
Peace and a happy weekend to all of you
Andrea
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:26:01 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <19970516172704.AAA67778@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Emily Achieng Awour has been added to the list. Welcome to the
Gambia-l, we look forward to your contributions. Please
send an introduction of yourself to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Regards
Momodou Camara
*******************************************************
http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara
**"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's
possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible"***
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:30:55 -0400
From: ndeye marie njie <njie.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
ndeye.marie.njie@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: samba1@juno.com
Subject: new member subcription request
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Hello, list managers
can you please subscribe Michael Gomez to the newsgroup. His e-mail address
is nahak@juno.com
Thanks
N'Deye Marie
-----------------------------------
N'Deye Marie N'Jie
Graduate Research Associate
The Ohio State University
260 Agricultural Engineering Bldg
590 Woody Hayes Drive
Columbus, OH 43210
Fax: (614)292-9448
Phone: (614) 688-3445 (W)
E-mail: njie.1@osu.edu
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:58:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: madiba saidy <msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca>
To: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>, ;
Subject: Re: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
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Ya Sophie and Ancha,
Very busy today...I'll respond tomorrow.
Cheers,
Prof. Mads.
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Date: 16 May 1997 21:31:18 +0200
From: "Jobarteh, Momodou" <Momodou.Jobarteh@hordaland.vegvesen.telemax.no>
To: "Gambia-L -Internet... ." <Gambia-l@u.washington.edu> (Return requested)
Subject: Re: Appointment of divisional Commission
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I agree with what Buba said about civil servants. I want to know whether the
appointment of commissioners is based on the criteria that are mentioned by
Buba. One of the points in question is the qualifications as a graduate and
secondly the point of having served within the civil service for a period of
time. If indeed, these qualifications are necessary concerning the
appointments of commissioners, how can one then defend the appointments of
ex-military officers who do not fulfil these criteria?
Thanks
Alhagi
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--
Buba.Njie wrote
At 13:32 02.05.97 +0200, you wrote:
>The following appointments of Divisional Commissioners have been
>effected on the 17th April, 1997:-
>1. Mr Dembo Badjie - Permanent Secretary Office of the President, to
>be Commissioner, Lower River Division;
>2. Mr Pa Sallah Jagne - Former Inspector General of Police, to be
>Commissioner, Western Division;
>3. Mr. Lamin Komma - to be Commissioner, North Bank Division;
>4. Mr E.K. Sarr - to be Commissioner, Upper River division;
>
>The present Commissioner, Western Division, Retired captain A.
>Kanteh, will be posted as Commissioner to Central River Division.
>
The criteria of appointing new Divisional Commissioners and Transferring
new ones recently has question my knowledge of it's constitutionality.
In the past, before a person was appointed as commissioner, he must have a)
been a graduate, b) served a government office for a period before any
appointment took place. Furthermore, I can't recall any politically
appointed commissioner prior to Jammeh's government. Whether this pattern
of appointment was just a tradition or constitutional is yet unsure to me.
If this was constitutional, and is still is, I am questioning the
legitimacy
of the appointments of Retired Captain Alhagie Kanteh as commissioner for
CRD and Pa Sallah Jagne Former Inspector General of Police as commissioner
of Western Division.
If any member of the net has grounded information on the how commissioners
are appointed according to the Gambian Constitution, I will be grateful to
know.
Another issue to question is the appointment of Pa Sallah Jagne as
Commissioner in Yahya's government. Is this not the man Jammeh's Military
government accused of steeling 3000 thousand Dalasis, arrested and put into
custody for over 2 years? Is this not the same popular Ex- Senior Army
officer, whose freedom indirectly threatened the stability of Jammeh's
AFPRC government? Why would he appoint such a man to such an honourable
office in his government?
To those who have been following the political developments in The Gambia,
it came as a surprise. Pa Sallah Jagne is known to be a hard working man
both as a Junior and Senior Officer in the Armed Forces. Among the soldiers
and ex. soldiers, he's was given the nick name **NYING DOKUWO** a slogan
word in Mandingka meaning - this job. - cause he used to work too hard and
made everyone under his command work even harder. His efficiency as
commissioner is not doubted but one begins to think about the circumstances
which led to his appointment. I thank Momodou Camera for updating us on
these appointments and inviting the net members for their opinions on the
questions and doubts I've raised.
Regards....---- Si Jama
Buba Njie
Institute of Economics
University of Bergen
Norway
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:45:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Fwd: First Spouses
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9705161925.A5994-0100000@mach1.wlu.ca>
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On Fri, 16 May 1997, Andrea Klumpp wrote:
> Let them represent their husbands (mis)governing, if they like to use
> the family tie. Or let them use the position of their spouses to raise
> funds for charity-/social- or other useful purposes, like many first
> ladies in the world do.
What is so useless about what they "plan" on doing?
And isn't raising funds a part of what they will be doing
inorder to get rid of things like child labour etc?? Another thing is
that some of these first women are unlike other first spouses. some of
their husbands weren't elected into power. they took it by force, hence
both husband and wife are dispised. Some of their situations and the
continent are also different. I don't know of any other continent that is
going through as much chaos as Africa right now, hence just because other
first spouses are doing other things doesn't mean that, that is what these
ones are also supposed to be doing.
> But in my opinion they are not authorized to take political influence
> and to spend public assets for doing so.
Agreed, but I don't think that this has ever stopped some people from
using the power of their spouses for their own uses.
> If they were able to gain attention and influence without using
> the power of their husbands and public assets, it would be a different
> thing.
I agree, but, I don't see why they can't make use of what is
available to them (resources), IF, it is for as good a cause as they stated.
> I can't see, why the spouses of the (mostly) horrible guys in power
> should be angels and make a big difference.
Just because their husbands are bad doesn't make them bad. I
don't think they should be blamed for what their husbannds have done.
But they can be blamed for staying with their husbands after the things
their
husbands did. There is always a choice, even if it isn't too favourable.
> I think they're pure cosmetic for the bad politics of their husbands.
Maybe, maybe not. I still think they should be given a chance.
>Furthermore I doubt that these women have the freedom to disagree
> openly with the politics
> of their husbands and to make considerable changes.
Agreed ( disagreeing with their husbands openly that is).
Next thing you know wives might start disappearing.
Ancha.
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 16:54:50 +0900 (JST)
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: First Spouses
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This discussion is getting interesting! But how far can we go? The
boardroom or the bedroom, where are presidential decisions made? My
bet is on both! Anyone disagrees? If I take that as a 'given', then
these women can achieve something. At least they will raise the
conciousness of their colleagues in the slumber.
Needless to say, as a student of finance, I expect the benefits of
their meetings to at least cover the hard-earned dollars spent on
their travelling. Otherwise, let them stay at home!!!
Lamin Drammeh.
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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 10:08:49 +0200
From: "Momodou S Sidibeh" <momodou.sidibeh@stockholm.mail.telia.com>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Brief self-introduction
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Fellow travellers,
I am just a regular guy trying to make something of my life in Sweden for
the past fourteen years: studying, working, and raising a family. Born in
Kartong (kombo south), through St. Augustine's High, GHS, to my present
erratic quest for academic excellence in anything I find intellectually
stimulating.
Though I have little time to spare, I shall pay attention to all that
is wired and concerns progress in Africa.
Good day to you all.
Sidibeh.
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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 13:24:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
Message-ID: <970517132403_-264231363@emout03.mail.aol.com>
MR. SAIDY,
I guess you are guilty of gender bashing after all. Are you saying that
African first ladies cannot make a meaningful contribution? In our societies
women have long been the organizers on the community level.One of the very
important things that is often overlooked or taken for granted, is how much
can be done by local women's groups. Volunteerism can bring about a world of
difference in our schools and neighbourhoods where we can inspire our
youngsters to see that they can make a difference. Every First Lady here in
the U.S. chooses a cause to work on during her husband's tenure, and
consequently, there is a lot accomplished in that particular area, e.g look
at all the attention education is getting now due to Hillary Rodham Clinton's
interest in this area. The campaign to "say no to drugs" was spear-headed by
Nancy Reagan, and resulted in funding of local anti-drug campaigns that still
continue today. Well informed, concerned and active First Ladies can
accomplish much by settting examples and inspiring the women as well as men
of their respective contries to get involved in projects geared toward the
betterment of their nations. They can also influence their husbands to focuss
their efforts in areas of concern to them, as well as challenge them to make
accomplishments in these areas. I believe Africa's First Ladies can do much
to compliment their spouse's efforts rather than just sitting at home.
Remember, a marriage union is a partnership, and the partnership works
together towards a common goal, each making their own contribution towards
the goal.
Jabou.
In a message dated 5/15/97 2:48:16 AM, you wrote:
<<
Mr. Camara,
I disagree, this is an issue that I've discussed with a lot of folks on
Naijanet (the Nigerian equivalent of Gambia-L). I made the same comments
as Prof. Oluwole...I didn't respond earlier, because my views may be
perceived as gender "bashing" (because of my earlier humor postings).
What is the point in wasting our scare resources for a summit of this
nature, without the real issues being addressed??? Most, if not all of the
problems on our continent are caused by the people at the top. Their
husbands are responsible for suffering of the innocent kids in Zaire,
Rwanda, Nigeria and so on.
Why hold such a summit in Nigeria of all places??? A place where a bunch
of ignorami are in charge...maiming the civilian population, jailing
people on here-say, not to talk of the Ogoni hangings!!!
This is not an issue of the involvement of women the state of affairs of
our continent, if so is the case, it will be more fitting to have women
like Winnie Mandela, Mrs. Perry of liberia and so many learned women all
over the continent.
The best job for most African First ladies belong in their respective
households, period.
Cheers,
Prof. Mads.
On Wed, 14 May 1997, Momodou Camara wrote:
> ---forwarded mail START---
> From: Yaikah Jeng,YJENG@PHNET.SPH.JHU.EDU,Internet
> To: Momodou Camara
> Date: 14/05/97 16:46
> Subject: Fwd: AFRICA-WOMEN: First Ladies Launch P -Reply
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Gambia-l,
> I think that the statement made by Sophie Oluwole, a lecturer in
> the dept. of philosophy at the university of Lagos, that "the first
> ladies have no hand in governance and that they belong at home!!! was
> preposterous and especially sad coming from an educated woman. If
> anything, they should be applauded and encouraged. Here we have
> african women in positions of power who can hopefully make a
> difference and should be commended for taking such an initiative. I
> will agree with some of her points though that they should have
> stressed the obsession of some african leaders with power and their
> desire to amass as much wealth as possible. Personally, i feel that
> if properly handled, this organization can go a long way. Miss
> Oluwole's statement was a bit too harsh, I think. Some feedback
> please especially from the women in this forum.
>
> Yaikah
>
> ---forwarded mail END---
>
> --- OffRoad 1.9s registered to Momodou Camara
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 19:17:39 +0200
From: Darkstar <darkstar@is.com.na>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Mobutu is Gone..............REFLECTIONS from an American
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Hello Gambians and Others out There:
I have been watching CNN closely regarding Zaire...Mobutu is gone. I
can't help to feel some remorse...not from the fact that Mobutu is gone
- thats a great relief. I feel remorse from the fact that Mobutu and
his regime was supported all these years by the Americans and the rest
of the west. Why...the "Cold War". Well the cold war between the
Communists and the Americans/West is gone...long gone. As I look at
Africa, I get depressed in some cases - other times not depressed since
Africa is a great place with great people.
Look at the countries that the USA and the west supported over the years
due to the cold war -- and what countries sunk into terrible civil wars
and unrest. The big friends of the USA were Sudan, Somalia, Liberia and
Zaire. There were others of course. The West just played with these
countries as pawns, and if they supported the USA and anti-communism in
the UN and voted against communism...if they let the Americans have
landing rights and other things - than the Americans supported these
regimes.
Now is the time for reflection and whats next. As an american, and as
somebody who loves Africa and has lived in Africa for 18 years now - I
feel we have a responsibility to step back and learn the lessons that
need to be learned.
The cold war has ended - if I had my way - as payback to the innocents
of The Republic of The Congo (Zaire's new name I think)...it is the
responsibility of the West to assist the civilians of the Republic of
The Congo (ROC)..and other countries....to assist in human rights and
bringing the population - the innocent women, children...who sufferred
needlessly - back to normal life - some semblence of normality.
I am not saying that the USA and others should impose our brand of
western democracy on these countries.....or the ROC. Lets just help out
if we can - health, schools, infrastructure etc etc. I realize that
with our current overseas assistance limitations in the USA - assistance
to the ROC will be slow in coming. And - I cannot predict what type of
"fair" government or situation will prevail from Laurant Kabila......So
no more words now..I just am glad that MObutu is gone - but upset that
my country and many other countries supported him for so many years at
the expense of the population and in the name of a "friend " of the
west.
Thats it for now........from Windhoek, Namibia...GC
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