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GAMBIA-L Digest 64
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Louis Farrakhan
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
2) Re: Mobuto's Last Day(s)....
by KTouray@aol.com
3) Re: Abacha
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
4) Re: Passports to foreigners
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
5) Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
6) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding)
by umjawara@cc.UManitoba.CA
7) Re: Nigeria: The Ogoni Oppression Report (fwd)
by MJagana@aol.com
8) Re: Mobuto's Last Day(s)....
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
9) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding)
by "Sirra Ndow" <sirra@hotmail.com>
10) Re:AFRICA-EDUCATION: University, a Virtual Reality
by "Sirra Ndow" <sirra@hotmail.com>
11) Technology transfer vs foreign investment
by "Sirra Ndow" <sirra@hotmail.com>
12) Re: SENEGAL-POLITICS: France Takes Lead, Southern Rebellion Reheats
by "ebrima drameh" <njogou@hotmail.com>
13) Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
by "ebrima drameh" <njogou@hotmail.com>
14) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding) (fwd)
by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
15) Re: Mobuto's Last Day(s)....
by Yaya Jallow <yj0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>
16) Jammeh Avocates ECOWAS Youth Day.
by mmjeng@inform-bbs.dk (Matarr Jeng)
17) Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
18) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
19) Repatriation and the need for talented Gambians.
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
20) Re: APA conference
by "Dr. S. G. Kamara" <73244.2701@CompuServe.COM>
21) Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
by Gunjur@aol.com
22) Re:AFRICA-EDUCATION: University, a Virtual Reality
by Gunjur@aol.com
23) Re: Repatriation and the need for talented Gambians.
by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
24) New member
by utbult@bahnhof.se (Mats Utbult)
25) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding) (fwd)
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
26) Re: Dual Citizenship And The Right To Vote For Gambians Living Abroad
by "Ba-Musa Ceesay" <Ba-Musa.Ceesay@Oslo.Norad.telemax.no>
27) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
by "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
28) Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
by "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
29) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
by "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
30) Questionnaire - A Reminder
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
31) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
32) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
by "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
33) GambiaNet LOGO COMPETITION
by Isatou Secka <isatou@Glue.umd.edu>
34) Re: Repatriation and the need for talented Gambians.
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
35) New member
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
36) Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
37) Re: Questionnaire - A Reminder
by Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU>
38) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
by "Numukunda Darboe" <ndarboe@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
39) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
40) Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
41) Re: subscribe (fwd)
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
42) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
by umjawara@cc.UManitoba.CA
43) Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
44) Re: Farakhan
by "Matarr M. Jeng." <mmjeng@image.dk>
45) Senegal school students clash with police (fwd)
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
46) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
47) Fwd: Repatriation and the need for talented Gambians.
by MJagana@aol.com
48) Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
by Gunjur@aol.com
49) Education survey
by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
50) RE: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
by "hurai betts" <Oneke@msn.com>
51) Request to add Vetran member back to the list.
by MANSALA@aol.com
52) Re: Request to add Vetran member back to the list.
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
53) i want to end my listing
by KBadjie338@aol.com
54) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
55) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
by "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
56) Fwd: Fire Breaks Out At Haj Tent City.
by "Matarr M. Jeng." <mmjeng@image.dk>
57) Some diversion!!!
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
58) Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
by "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
59) Farakhan...
by mbaldeh@zenithtvl.com
60) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
by SAMBA NJIE <snjie@gis.net>
61) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
by "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
62) DELETE MY ADDRESS FROM THE LIST
by JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
63) Re: Farakhan...
by "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
64) Re: Request to add Vetran member back to the list.
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
65) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
66) Re: Some diversion!!!
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
67) the heated debate re: Louis F.
by fox_steven@venus.nmhu.edu
68) re: new members
by "BALA SAHO" <B.S.Saho@sussex.ac.uk>
69) re: new members
by "BALA SAHO" <B.S.Saho@sussex.ac.uk>
70) Dual Citizenship
by mbaldeh@zenithtvl.com
71) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
by Gunjur@aol.com
72) SUBSRIBING OF FRIENDS.
by Naffie Jammeh <nj368917@gwmail.kysu.edu>
73) List matters (fwd)
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
74) Re: Some diversion!!!
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
75) Re: Farakhan...
by Senessie Turay <9210077@talabah.iiu.my>
76) Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
by "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
77) Fwd: Senegalese Pilgrim Dies In Mina Fire
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
78) Fwd: Meningitis in West Africa
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
79) The Power of Words
by Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
80) Meningitis
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
81) Inappropriate Mail
by Raye Sosseh <gt8065b@prism.gatech.edu>
82) re: The Power of Words
by "Edrissa Jarju" <edjarju@usaid.gov>
83) Senegal scraps telecoms sale to Telia of Sweden (fwd)
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
84) Re: The Disaster in Saudi Arabia
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
85) Education Survey
by mbaldeh@zenithtvl.com
86) EID MUBARAK
by Senessie Turay <9210077@talabah.iiu.my>
87) New member and Eid Mubarak
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
88) (PART 1) ISLAM AND THE FARAKAN CONFUSION
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
89) Re: EID MUBARAK
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
90) Re: (PART 1) ISLAM AND THE FARAKAN CONFUSION
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
91) Re: (PART 1) ISLAM AND THE FARAKAN CONFUSION
by "Numukunda Darboe" <ndarboe@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
92) EID
by "Numukunda Darboe" <ndarboe@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
93) menengitis
by fox_steven@venus.nmhu.edu
94) Re: (PART 1) ISLAM AND THE FARAKAN CONFUSION
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
95) Inappropriate Mail -Reply
by ANNIE BITTAYE <AB063147@gwmail.kysu.edu>
96) Re: New member and Eid Mubarak
by "YAYA S. SISAY" <sisayy@wabash.edu>
97) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
98) Re: EID MUBARAK
by Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
99) Re: Inappropriate Mail -Reply
by sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
100) Re: Inappropriate Mail -Reply
by Raye Sosseh <gt8065b@prism.gatech.edu>
101) New Member
by sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
102) Re: Inappropriate Mail -Reply
by sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
103) Fwd: AHAD:EID Greetings - Eid-ul-Adha 1417
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
104) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
105) Re: New member
by "Mactar sagne" <sagne@ipruniv.cce.unipr.it>
106) THE WILL OF GOD?!
by "SISSOHO EM" <E.M.Sissoho@icsl.ac.uk>
107) Re: THE WILL OF GOD?!
by "N.JARJU" <CD6C6JNJ@swansea.ac.uk>
108) Maternal mortality in Africa
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
109) Fw: (Fwd) Read me: very important
by "Aaron Kofi Aboagye" <gt4392c@prism.gatech.edu>
110) Act of GOD or saudi incompetence ????
by "Barry Omar" <OXB00272@STUDENT.ASTATE.EDU>
111) SUMMER-Africa/Brazil> ProjDIRs/Interns ('97 & '98) (fwd)
by madiba saidy <msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca>
112) Re: you are right, EDI!
by Tamsir Mbai <mba4224@etbu.edu>
113) tobaski
by mamadi corra <MKCORRA@VM.SC.EDU>
114) Re: Nigeria: The Ogoni Oppression Report (fwd)
by "Sirra Ndow" <sirra@hotmail.com>
115) MUSA NGUM IN A PLAY-BACK SESSION
by msarr@sprynet.com
116) Re: MUSA NGUM IN A PLAY-BACK SESSION
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
117) Re: MUSA NGUM IN A PLAY-BACK SESSION
by msarr@sprynet.com
118) Re: MUSA NGUM IN A PLAY-BACK SESSION
by "Ousman G." <gajigoo@wabash.edu>
119) Utah NOW's 1997 keynote speaker--a polygamist wife! (fwd)
by Ylva Hernlund <yher@u.washington.edu>
120) RE: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
by Gunjur@aol.com
121) Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
by Gunjur@aol.com
122) Re: Farakhan...
by Gunjur@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:59:10 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Louis Farrakhan
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Modou Jallow wrote:
> I do not think you need to look at the big picture to judge the man's
> endless self-righteousness. Look at his life-syle of the rich and famous, his
> mansion and big houses in Chicago, his merceds Benzes, and tell me if he is
> fighting for a just cause. Somehow, I think Omar M'bai has a point.
>
> C'mon lat, are you a black Moslem or just an admirer?
Modou,
Louis Farrakhan is without doubt, a controversial leader. He says a lot
of things that I do not agree with and I am not really a follower of
his.
The bigger picture here is that you have to understand that his remarks,
as bad as they are, are targeted to the Black community not the the
White and Jewish ones, where his words are often misconstrued.
While this is not a method that I endorse, the large amount of sympathy
he enjoys from the African-American community is a testament to the
problems he addresses.
He has made some strides as of late, that has inspired and uplifted the
black community and in my opinion, as long as he does not provoke or
even preach violence (I believe he has not, at least recently), these
efforts have out weighed his faults.
There is a saying that Black people can never really be racists because
racism equals prejudice plus power. I don't really know about that but
I do know that most of Farrakhan's most negative and controversal
remarks are ignored to large extent by most of his listeners in favor of
the positive ones.
I believe, for example, someone like the Govenor of Califoria, Pete
Wilson, has done more harm to people by almost single handedly reversing
the gains of Affirmative Action, by pushing for and getting the removal
of it in his state, than anything Farrakhan has ever said.
While you do not have to agree with all that, don't you think that
comparing him with an alleged killer is a bit excessive because that
seemed to be the point that Omar M'Bai seemed to be making and that you
seem to agree with.
Lat
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 19:21:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: KTouray@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Mobuto's Last Day(s)....
Message-ID: <970412192150_111770974@emout04.mail.aol.com>
Like the numerous ineffectual despots that this world has seen through
generations, Mobutu would never relinquish power under terms that are within
the context of what is rational , but rather would ostensibly meet a fate
that is all too common for men of his type and that is a costly and
humuliating trouncing. Gracious exits are for men who took it upon themselves
to lead their nations on the right path. By now we all know that Mobutu does
not belong to that league because for all the 31 years he has been in power
he has consistently engaged in theft , repression while he abandoned his
people to wither in poverty. you asked why he couldn't just run and go to his
billions overseas? Well my guess he realises his loot couldn't do him much
good now that he his gravely ill and as a result he feels it is far more
important to avoid humiliation in the face of a very successful rebel
offensive by determining his last days . He has no standing to salvage a
reputation he never had in the first place. He is a scrouge who deserves
nothing from the People of Zaire other than maximum abhorence. He may be
lucky to go to the villas he has on the French revierera where he will always
stand conspicously as the thief that he is and ultimately die a dishonourable
man.
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 19:29:53 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Abacha
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Ancha Bala-Gaye wrote:
> I cannot even begin to understand how he could have a cheering group, or
> why people would want him back into power ( did some-one say that a
> majority of the population was on his side??). maybe being on the outside
> makes it easier to judge and not really understand what is happening
> since the news we hear could be biased. maybe it's the same way that
> people here cannot understand some of the things that we do at home...like
> when a neighbour smacks you cause you were bad and takes
> you to your mum who smacks you some more.
I am the one who said that he has a substantial (not majority)
following. In a country as big and diverse as Nigeria there are many
who care much more about corruption and safety than the environment and
human rights. As Ancha correctly stated, the same can be said in a
smaller and less diverse country like The Gambia.
In Nigeria crime and corruption are by far the most popular issues and
Abacha has emerged in the eyes of many as one who has confronted both
with some authority. There are even those, believe it or not, who I
have heard say that they believe Sara-Wiwa did in fact order the deaths
of those chiefs and got what was coming to him, never mind due process
of law.
Remember, many foreigners thought Jawara was one of Africa's better
leaders while many at home thought differently. Even now, Jammeh is
seen as a human rights abuser, a killer (remember November 1994) and
corrupt in a lot quarters abroad, while many, if not most, Gambians
think he is an anti corruption and progressive leader.
I think all this lends to the question about democracy in Africa. Is it
the answer? My opinion is that while it is not a perfect system and it
cannot work as well in Africa right now as it does in the West, I know
of no better type but the arguments against it , as can be seen here,
are strong ones.
As I said earlier, leadership is key more than anything else. Is
effective leadership in Africa better served by democracy or autocracy?
What do you think?
Peace.
Lat
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 19:44:29 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Passports to foreigners
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Ebrima Drameh wrote:
> I THINK THAT THERE IS NOTHING BAD ABOUT A GOVERNMENT ISSUEING A DIPLOMATIC
> PASSPORT TO A FOREIGNER.THIS IS A GOOD INCENTIVE ESPECIALLY FOR BUSINESSMEN WHO
> CREATE JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR GAMBIANS.
[...]
> OUT TO EVERY TOM,DICK AND HARRY.THE ISSUE IS OPEN TO DEBATE:HAS BABANDING
> SISSOKHO DONE ENOUGH FOR GAMBIAN BUSINESS TO WARRANT A GAMBIAN DIPLOMATIC
> PASSPORT?
I agree to certain extent. If Gambian passports can bring genuine jobs
to the country than why not issue them. I'm not too sure about
Diplomatic passports but Sissoho was made an Ambassador-at-Large, which
again might be a good idea if he that position can bring jobs.
What troubles me is that Gambians had to find out about all this through
the foreign media and not the government itself.
On the question of whether Sissoho has done enough to warrant the
diplomatic passport, I also wonder. There have been allegations that
the AFPRC benefited financially and one cannot help but assume that
could be the case. The government needs to make an effort to dispel
potentially false rumours by coming out openly on the issues revolving
around this man's presence in the Gambia. Not doing so lends to the
belief that they are true.
Peace.
Lat
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 20:28:51 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
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Ebrima Drameh wrote:
> guarantee that they will stay on for a reasonable period. It is about time that
> gambians be appointed to these posts.We should learn from the recent past. In
[...]
> The appointment of gambians to these posts will also enhance the efficacy of the
> understanding of proceeding by judges especially in areas such as land law.The
> land tenure system in The Gambia is rather complex and needs a thorough
> understanding of functions and positions such as that of the alkalo and that of
> the chief.Also the problem of interpretation will be minimised because gambian
> judges will atleast be able to understand one of the local languages.
>
> I hope that this article does not cast any shadow of xenophobia as I have no
> such feeling.It is simply in the best interest of the country, that the judicial
> sytem which is a very fundamental branch of the three arms of government, not be
> left in its entirety in the hands of foreigners who know very little about the
> day to day way of life of the average gambian from where issues turn out to be
> ligations in court.It is disheartening to know that sensitive posts like that of
> The Chief Justice,Director Of Public Prosecution and ALL the High Court Judges
> are filled in by non-gambians.
I agree with Ebrima that these positions should be filled by Gambians.
I remember in 1993, during the ceremonies that marked the opening of the
Law year and of the new Supreme Court building, Jawara addressed this
issue. He said that Gambian lawyers need to make themselves available
for appointment. He even noted that he had to ask the Late Justice Njie
to postpone his retirement so that he could fill an empty post. I
believe Jammeh feels the same way. The problem is that Gambian lawyers
do not seem to want to fill these posts.
This is a big problem, not only in the Judiciary, but in government and
politics in general. The country needs more well qualified Gambians to
perform these roles and these Gambians do exist, even on this list!
I think in the civil service, there is a lack of talent now that is
hurting the government more than ever before. The same can be said for
politics. Where are the Gambians?
I think we have been plagued with this problem for a while, especially
when we are compared with our neighbors.
Part of the problem is that the government needs to offer more in terms
of job and political security but there is also a lack of the sense of
patriotism or nationalism. Perhaps there has not been enough time for
such characteristics to develop in an environment that was
geographically fragmented in the colonial days. Maybe there is a lack
of substantial pride in being Gambian or serving Gambia, in the face of
the tribalism and religious prejudice that was in effect for most of our
young post-colonial history.
This might change, given Jammeh's vision of a non-tribalistic government
and society, but he must also stop the revolving door in the civil
service and in his appointments in order to offer our Gambian talent
something worth taking.
In the case of the Judiciary, it has been said that Gambian lawyers do
not want to give up the financial security of their private practices.
That might be true and I think that there is not enough of this
patriotism, if you will, that could possibly make an appointment to the
various courts as prestigious as they are in Senegal, Ghana, Sierra
Leone etc., and thus more attractive then what they have.
The situation needs to change if we want a more effective government and
as Ebrima said, should we have a problem with any of the countries who
offer their nationals to fill positions, a disaster could take place.
What should we do?
Peace.
Lat
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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:39:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: umjawara@cc.UManitoba.CA
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding)
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Hello Everryone,
May I clarify a few points about Minister Farakhan and the "Nation
of Islam". These people are not Muslims at all. In order to be a Muslim
there are various fundamental believes one most have which is not
present in the "Nation of Islam". Few of these are: To be a muslim one
must belief that Muhammad (PBUH) who died in the 7th century as the
last messenger of Allah (God), "NAtion of Islam" believes that
Alhajie Muhamad, a guy, died in the 1960's is a messenger of Allah. One
must establish the five daily prayer, or atleast know that it is
one of the pillers of Islam, this doesn't exist in the "Nation
of Islam". Farakhan continually preaches violence and this does
not exist in the Qur'an or sunnah. I can go on forever but
please don't think that Farakhan is a Muslim or preaching Islam.
Alieu Jawara
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 01:06:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: MJagana@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Nigeria: The Ogoni Oppression Report (fwd)
Message-ID: <970413010625_-932830112@emout11.mail.aol.com>
Dear Gambia L,
I have read through a lot of your comments about shell company and the
nigerian saga. I very much understand that shell is out to maximise it's
profits for it's shareholders.
So the cheaper the production cost to them the better to shell. This is also
supported by the fact the nigerian goverment does not have very strong or
strict enviromental rules and regulations.
This allows such comapanys in the oil industry to produce the oil as much as
they want with no conssideration to the ecological surronding.
However shell also drills oil in northern part of united kingdom. But they
are oblige by law to invest a certain portion of thier profits to
enviromental causes. This includes turning old oil fields into parks. And any
tree that is killed requires shell to finance the planting of three young
trees.
When this matter was put to a shell manager in uk, his reply was that "SHELL
FOLLOWS ALL REGULATIONS OF ANY COUNTRY THEY OPERATE IN"
This may be that the nigerian govt, has let shell loose to what it wants with
no consideration for the enviroment.
We can all blame shell, but we should also understand that shell is not the
lesgislator in nigeria. And if those CORRUPT POLITICIANS STACK THIER BANK
ACCOUNTS WITH KICKBACKS FROM SHELL, SHELL WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN NIGERIA
AS FAR AS THE GOVT KEEPS A BLIND EYE ON SHELL PRODUCTION POLICIES.
So the nigerian govt should take most of the blame about shellgate.
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:28:45 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Mobuto's Last Day(s)....
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KTouray@aol.com wrote:
>
> Like the numerous ineffectual despots that this world has seen through
> generations, Mobutu would never relinquish power under terms that are within
> the context of what is rational , but rather would ostensibly meet a fate
> that is all too common for men of his type and that is a costly and
> humuliating trouncing. Gracious exits are for men who took it upon themselves
> to lead their nations on the right path. By now we all know that Mobutu does
> not belong to that league because for all the 31 years he has been in power
> he has consistently engaged in theft , repression while he abandoned his
> people to wither in poverty. you asked why he couldn't just run and go to his
> billions overseas? Well my guess he realises his loot couldn't do him much
> good now that he his gravely ill and as a result he feels it is far more
> important to avoid humiliation in the face of a very successful rebel
> offensive by determining his last days . He has no standing to salvage a
> reputation he never had in the first place. He is a scrouge who deserves
> nothing from the People of Zaire other than maximum abhorence. He may be
> lucky to go to the villas he has on the French revierera where he will always
> stand conspicously as the thief that he is and ultimately die a dishonourable
> man.
MR.TOURAY!!
GOOD COMMENTARY! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK DOWN THERE.
REGARDS BASSSS!!
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 07:39:47 PDT
From: "Sirra Ndow" <sirra@hotmail.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding)
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Hi everyone,
I cannot comment on the issue about Minister Farakan being a true
Muslim as a person is said to be true Muslim if s/he adheres to the
5 pillars of Islam, since I do not know how he performs in those areas.
However, I tend to agree with Omar in that as far as I know, Islam teaches
us to love and respect one another, no matter what religion, not advocate
violence and hatred against fellow human beings (and all living thing for that
matter).
Religion aside, this makes sense doesn't it?
Sirra Ndow
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 08:15:32 PDT
From: "Sirra Ndow" <sirra@hotmail.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re:AFRICA-EDUCATION: University, a Virtual Reality
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Hi,
>"Distance education, using up-to-date communication technology, may
>be the answer to the over-crowding of most African universities due
>o galloping population growth and insufficient resources,
>educationalists say."
This is all a wonderful idea, (as Jabou said) not only for Africa, but for the
whole world.
The dream of "education for all" can be realised sonner than we hoped. But
isn't pursuing this area now be "putting the cart before the horse"?
The success of this depends on information and telecommunications technology
and in Africa, this is serious lacking. I believe that what need to be our
priory in this area in Africa should be" the transfer of information technology"
before we can concentrate on such gallant ideas.
Another issue is the availabilty of material for the teaching of science and
technology. Taking the Gambia as an example, most pupils in the high school
have
never seen a computer before, let a lone use one. And we all remeber the broken
test tube, malfunctioning bunsen burners etc. etc. How are we going to put the
theoritical
knowledge from the Virtual university into practice? I hope this committee is
looking into
these very important issues as well.
Don't get me wrong. I do not doubt that this will be possible soon, I just
beleive that that
is should not be our priority at the moment.
Sirra Ndow
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 08:38:46 PDT
From: "Sirra Ndow" <sirra@hotmail.com>
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Hi,
I would like to commment on Ancha's views on the above subject which
arose from the Ogoni issue.
I am a firm believer that African cannot sustain itself from foreign
investments alone. What we need is to be adding value to our producing rather
than buying value added produce from the people we sold the raw materials
to and to "comsume local" as they say in Senegal.
African for a number of reasons sees her products as inferior unfortunately.
For example, Gambian, don't normally use groundnut oil because "vegetable oil is
better" and most people believe that. Actually, in London here, the place named
the best Fish and Chips such is considered so because it uses groundnut oil.
Coming back to the point, of couse technology has it's problems. But I there a
lot of research into better and more environmentally friendly technology going
on.
It is my believe that by the time African gets going on the road to being
producers,
most methods would have been refined. African is in a position where it doesn't
need to "re-invent the wheel" so to speak. A lot of inventions have been made
which
we can use for a better Africa.
I just wonder when we will exploit this advantage. Perhaps when we realise that
the
things we are constantly being told are good for us are actually a marketing
gimmick
for inferior Western produce.
Sirra Ndow
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:41:39 PDT
From: "ebrima drameh" <njogou@hotmail.com>
To: GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: Re: SENEGAL-POLITICS: France Takes Lead, Southern Rebellion Reheats
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>Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 22:23:31 +2000
>From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
>To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: SENEGAL-POLITICS: France Takes Lead, Southern Rebellion Reheats
>
>---forwarded mail START---
> Copyright 1997 InterPress Service, all rights reserved.
> Worldwide distribution via the APC networks.
>
> *** 07-Apr-97 ***
>
>Title: SENEGAL-POLITICS: France Takes Lead, Southern Rebellion Reheats
>
>By David Hecht
>DAVID INCIDENTALLY IS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE HE WRITES ON FREELANCE BASIS FOR
THE UNITED NATIONS ENVIRONMENT AGENCY.
In 1995 I travelled to Cassamance on an assignment for The Voice Of America and
The Daily Observer to have an exclusive interview with Father Augustus
Diamacoune.He was under house arrest at the time.I managed to write a detailed
piece on THE LIBERATION OF CASSAMANCE.
The Rebel Leader came out with what he described as documentary evidence that
Cassamance is a country of its own.
THE INTERVIEW LED TO ME BEING SUMMONED BY THE THE SENEGALESE HIGH COMMISSIONER
TO THE GAMBIA, H.E. MOCTARR KEBBEH.
IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED PLEASE MAIL AND IWOULD BE PLEASD TO DISCUSS THAT
INTERESTING TRIP AND ITS AFTERMATH.
>ZIGUINCHOR, SENEGAL, Apr 7 (IPS) -- Father August Diamacoune
>Senghor preaches tolerance and understanding until the subject
>turns to his life long goal, the liberation of the Casamance.
>
>Then the old priest's eyes burn as he accuses the Senegalese
>government of lies and deception, the Senegalese army of senseless
>killing and the former French coloniser of a negligence of
>historical proportions.
>
>Though under house arrest in Ziguinchor, the provincial
>capital, Diamacoune leads both the Catholic mass and a band of
>separatist rebels. And since the Mouvement des Forces
>Democratiques de la Casmance (MFDC) began its attacks in 1982, the
>French, with military bases in Senegal, have quietly assisted the
>Senegalese army in putting down the rebellion.
>
>But France's policy changed in March. Four of the rebel
>priest's inner circle were escorted by the French ambassador to
>Senegal on their first official trip to Paris, courtesy of the
>French air force.
>
>With a cease-fire having more or less held for a year, France
>was hoping to start brokering a lasting settlement to the
>conflict. Instead, fighting broke out while the rebels leaders
>were away.
>
>Rebels reportedly attacked an army camp beside the village of
>Boudiediete, blew up one patrol near Babunda and ambushed another
>near the village of Djirack. In the counterattacks the army
>claimed it then killed dozens of rebels.
>
>Many observers agree that the French initiative sparked off the
>fighting. But they disagree on why. Some say rebels on the ground
>were expressing their displeasure at being excluded from the
>negotiations in France. Others claim the Senegalese army provoked
>the rebel attacks, because they do not want France to turn from
>backer into broker.
>
>The French action comes at a time when France seems to be
>loosening its grip on other former colonies and close allies in
>Africa, particularly those in Central Africa. The new leaders in
>Rwanda overthrew the French-backed government in 1994 with the
>support of Anglophone allies. And the same may soon happen in
>Zaire.
>
>Though there is little risk of losing its foothold in Senegal,
>a peaceful Casamance could strengthen France's stature on the
>continent. Except for the conflict in the Southern region which is
>cut from the rest of Senegal by the enclave of The Gambia, Senegal
>stands as a showcase for effective French co-operation.
>
>The two countries have maintained close economic and political
>ties since independence in 1960. Most Senegalese are impoverished,
>but the nation boasts moderate growth and at least a nominal
>multiparty democracy with no coup d'etat in 37 years of
>independence.
>
>But analysts question whether France can really be effective in
>resolving the conflict. The MFDC are distrustful of Paris' close
>relationship with the Senegalese government. A Senegalese concern
>is the MFDC claim that the former coloniser still has jurisdiction
>over the Casamance. The rebels say they want France -- not Senegal --
>to grant the region independence.
>
>Rarely able to speak to journalists, Diamacoune last week
>gushed with historical data to support his unlikely claim: ''The
>Casamance has not yet been decolonised as France never legally
>incorporated it into the Senegalese colony that gained
>independence in 1960,'' he says, challenging anyone to come
>forward with an historical document that shows otherwise.
>
>The French began administering other parts of Senegal in 1658.
>But it only got Casamance from Portugal in 1888, ''on Sunday, the
>22nd of April, at 8:07am,'' Diamacoune says.
>
>Diamacoune hopes French president Jacques Chirac takes a more
>''flexible approach'' to the MFDC's claim than did his
>predecessor. Francois Mitterand's Parti Socialiste (PS) are ''the
>parents'' of the governing Senegalese PS, he says. ''Mitterand's
>approach was simply to ignore us.''
>
>But analysts say that Chirac too has established a close
>relationship with Senegal's rulers and he is unlikely to risk
>upsetting one of France's closest African allies.
>
>Few also believe the mostly arid north will never let go of
>what the Senegalese refer to as 'the garden of Senegal'. Moreover,
>many Casamancais say they wouldn't want it to.
>
>''We would rather fight for fairer integration than a separate
>state,'' says a Casamance born school teacher. ''Our population is
>only around one million. Such a small country could never
>develop.''
>
>What popular support there is for the MFDC seems more a
>response to the government's neglect of the region than a desire
>for nationhood. Many locals are bitter that the provincial
>administrators mostly come from the Wolof-dominated north, who
>they say have been nepotistic and corrupt. The majority of
>Senegal's people belong to the Wolof ethnic group.
>
>The MFDC is widely considered to have only brought further
>hardship. They have often been accused of armed hold-ups, cattle
>rustling and pillaging villages. Poverty has increased as
>villagers won't plant their crops or travel to market for fear of
>being attacked. And the once prosperous tourist resorts have been
>mostly empty after four French tourists disappeared two years ago.
>
>MFDC members believe that the Casamancais have been fighting
>for their liberty for over 400 years and to stop now would be a
>betrayal of their ancestors. From the time of the slave trade, the
>inhabitants on both sides of the Guinea Bissau/Casamance border
>have been revolting against foreign domination.
>
>Older MFDC rebels began their fighting careers in the 1960s
>aiding the Guinea Bissauian war of independence. And Bissuiains
>are now repaying them.
>
>Many of the MFDC's arms are leftovers from the neighbouring war
>and the MFD are said to have their main bases on the Bissau side
>of the border.
>
>The Senegalese army has recently negotiated a ''right of
>pursuit'' agreement with the Bissau government. But after the
>attack, the rebels quickly blend in with the locals. The fighters
>are renowned for the traps they have set for the Senegalese
>forces.
>
>But Diamacoune denies that the MFDC has been breaking the cease-
>fires of recent years. ''Soldiers, eager for promotion, provoke
>attacks and then exaggerate the number of rebels they kill.''
>
>Regarding accusations that the MFDC attacks civilians,
>Daimacoune admits that sometimes his men have been so hungry they
>have had to demand food. But he says his men would never terrorise
>the people they are trying to liberate.
>
>The army supports bandits who masquerade as the MFDC, says the
>rebel priest. The MFDC have at times caught them and turned them
>over to the army. But the army just lets them go again.
>
>Other times, attacks attributed to the rebellion may in fact be
>feuds between villages and rival ethnic groups. One Casamancais
>complains that ''if the Casmanance finally shirk off outside
>oppressors we would probably start fighting amongst ourselves.''
>(end/ips/dh/pm97)
>
>
>Origin: Harare/SENEGAL-POLITICS/
> ----
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:55:49 PDT
From: "ebrima drameh" <njogou@hotmail.com>
To: GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
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>Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 20:28:51 -0400
>From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
>To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
>
>Ebrima Drameh wrote:
>
>> guarantee that they will stay on for a reasonable period. It is about time
that
>> gambians be appointed to these posts.We should learn from the recent past. In
>[...]
>> The appointment of gambians to these posts will also enhance the efficacy of
the
>> understanding of proceeding by judges especially in areas such as land
law.The
>> land tenure system in The Gambia is rather complex and needs a thorough
>> understanding of functions and positions such as that of the alkalo and that
of
>> the chief.Also the problem of interpretation will be minimised because
gambian
>> judges will atleast be able to understand one of the local languages.
>>
>> I hope that this article does not cast any shadow of xenophobia as I have no
>> such feeling.It is simply in the best interest of the country, that the
judicial
>> sytem which is a very fundamental branch of the three arms of government, not
be
>> left in its entirety in the hands of foreigners who know very little about
the
>> day to day way of life of the average gambian from where issues turn out to
be
>> ligations in court.It is disheartening to know that sensitive posts like that
of
>> The Chief Justice,Director Of Public Prosecution and ALL the High Court
Judges
>> are filled in by non-gambians.
>
>I agree with Ebrima that these positions should be filled by Gambians.
>I remember in 1993, during the ceremonies that marked the opening of the
>Law year and of the new Supreme Court building, Jawara addressed this
>issue. He said that Gambian lawyers need to make themselves available
>for appointment. He even noted that he had to ask the Late Justice Njie
>to postpone his retirement so that he could fill an empty post. I
>believe Jammeh feels the same way. The problem is that Gambian lawyers
>do not seem to want to fill these posts.
>
>This is a big problem, not only in the Judiciary, but in government and
>politics in general. The country needs more well qualified Gambians to
>perform these roles and these Gambians do exist, even on this list!
>
>I think in the civil service, there is a lack of talent now that is
>hurting the government more than ever before. The same can be said for
>politics. Where are the Gambians?
>
>I think we have been plagued with this problem for a while, especially
>when we are compared with our neighbors.
>Part of the problem is that the government needs to offer more in terms
>of job and political security but there is also a lack of the sense of
>patriotism or nationalism. Perhaps there has not been enough time for
>such characteristics to develop in an environment that was
>geographically fragmented in the colonial days. Maybe there is a lack
>of substantial pride in being Gambian or serving Gambia, in the face of
>the tribalism and religious prejudice that was in effect for most of our
>young post-colonial history.
>
>This might change, given Jammeh's vision of a non-tribalistic government
>and society, but he must also stop the revolving door in the civil
>service and in his appointments in order to offer our Gambian talent
>something worth taking.
>
>In the case of the Judiciary, it has been said that Gambian lawyers do
>not want to give up the financial security of their private practices.
>That might be true and I think that there is not enough of this
>patriotism, if you will, that could possibly make an appointment to the
>various courts as prestigious as they are in Senegal, Ghana, Sierra
>Leone etc., and thus more attractive then what they have.
>
>The situation needs to change if we want a more effective government and
>as Ebrima said, should we have a problem with any of the countries who
>offer their nationals to fill positions, a disaster could take place.
>What should we do?
>
I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS TO MAKE THE POSTS VERY ATTRACTIVE BY INCREASING THE
SALARIES ATTACHED TO THEM AND EVEN ADD MORE INCENTIVES LIKE CAR ALLOWANCE, FREE
ACCOMODATION AND OTHER BENEFITS.AAH! ALSO WHAT IS NEEDED IS A LOT OF SACRIFICE
BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY THAT ONE CAN COMPARE WHAT A PRIVATE LAWYER EARNS TO THAT
OF WHAT IS PAID BY THE GOVERNMENT.SO,SOME OF US HAVE TO CARE LESS ABOUT THE
FINANCIAL RETURNS AND THINK ALONG THE LINES OF SERVING THE NATION.
EBRIMA
>Peace.
>
>Lat
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:45:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding) (fwd)
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I forwarded my room-mate one of the discussions from Modou Jallow and
Latir regarding farakhan and this is what she had to say....., what does
everone think??
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 00:40:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Marsha Wynter u <wynt3940@mach1.wlu.ca>
To: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding) (fwd)
very inetresting..I can admit to some of the faults that Farakhan has,
but the fact that he lives in luxury means nothing. Are we saying that
to be of any help to our people one has to reside in the ghetto. The
reason why white people see him as a threat is for the very fact that he
has prestige. That is the dilemmna that happens in the Black
Community where there is a struggle for autonomy...we're forced to choose
between being an influential fighter, or a fighter that is wallowing in
thepits like the rest of us. That is not fair, we don't place that
choice on white people, so don't do it for black people. Every person
should try to help "where they are". I don't think, and I hope I don't
have to don my dashiki to proclaim that I am fighting for my people.
On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Ancha Bala-Gaye u wrote:
> I thought you would like to hear the latest on farrakan that I found
> interesting...it's kinda long but I think it's worth the read.
> Ancha
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:01:56 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Modou Jallow <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu>
> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List"
> <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding)
>
> Latir wrote:
>
> > From what you are saying, I guess every moslem should try and follow the
> > path of the Prophet Mohammed but don't you think it's a bit too much to
> > call him a "dead coward" given the fact that there are so many others
> > who have said and done so much more. I don't know who you look up to as
> > an ideal moslem leader but I can count many that have said and again
> > done much worse.
>
> I hate to barge in on this one but I couldn't help it. I can't say that he is a
> "dead coward" but I can't understand his political ambitions and belief that
> people are plotting against him. I'm afraid some of his ideas, like the mystical
> importance of the number 19 and his claim to have taken trips on alien
> spacecraft, sound like bull to me. As far as I know, no other religious leader
> ever pretended to speak on behalf of God but for Farrakhan and his followers,
> such miracles are almost always routine.
>
> > Apart from the somewhat baseless accusations that he had something to do
> > with Malcolm X's death, I have not really heard much about his espousing
> > violence, so you might want to elaborate here. His efforts, on the
> > other hand, in his capacity as a minority leader and the head of the
> > Nation of Islam has done some good that cannot go without
> > acknowledgment.
>
> I would like to differ on this one. In my book, Farrakhan is not an honorary
> leader. Everything about him is hatred and anger. IMO, African Americans are so
> in need for inspiring leadership that many confuse Farrakhan with a hero. The
> black American community, in my opinion, is similar to any other community in
> that it is a blend of people who are fair and balanced, as well as those who are
> not. Every race, at one time or another, has experienced slavery and
> discrimination. And virtually every race, blacks included, have been responsible
> for perpetrating these evils against others (as in tribalism in Africa). I am
> tempted to say that there are numerous causes of the black community that have
> been supported by many white people, e.g slavery abolition, civil rights
> movement, anti-KKK forces, all of which include numerous white people. As an
> oversight, oversight, Farakhan also failed to see the fact that the White people
> voted to give blacks the right to vote, to set up Affirmative Action, Equal
> Employment Opportunity programs, and so many other programs. For Farrakhan to
> characterize all white people as the enemy of blacks is a massive over statement
> that is absolutely ridiculous.
>
>
> > As I said before, I think I can understand why you feel the way you do
> > and admire your honesty, if anything else, but I think you need to look
> > at the whole picture before you judge the man.
>
> I do not think you need to look at the big picture to judge the man's
> endless self-righteousness. Look at his life-syle of the rich and famous, his
> mansion and big houses in Chicago, his merceds Benzes, and tell me if he is
> fighting for a just cause. Somehow, I think Omar M'bai has a point.
>
> C'mon lat, are you a black Moslem or just an admirer?
>
>
> Regards,
> Moe S. Jallow
>
> =============================================================================
> mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:40:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Yaya Jallow <yj0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Mobuto's Last Day(s)....
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Hullo Fellas,
I read some of the comments on Mobuto as quite interesting. I just
want to throw in few words of caution. Many Zarians and some of us on the
outside are eager to see Mobuto deposed and tacitly praising the rebel
leader. What makes us think that the rebel leader would not act just like
Mobuto or even surpassed him in repression once in power? Quite frankly,
African rebel leaders and coup makers have lost the credibility when they
promise to bring rectification and justice in their nations political
systems. I suggest that ordinary Zarians not rejoice too soon for both
parties may well be the same.
What need to happen is an immediate cease fire and a fresh new elections.
Let the Zarians decide, otherwise the barrel that appears to liberate them
will be the same one to repressed them tomorrow.
Good day to you all.
Yaya
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:55:27 +0200
From: mmjeng@inform-bbs.dk (Matarr Jeng)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Jammeh Avocates ECOWAS Youth Day.
Message-ID: <880725981.75851956@inform-bbs.dk>
Jammeh Advocates For ECOWAS Youth Day
Apr. 13, 1997
Swaebou Conateh PANA Correspondent
BANJUL, Gambia (PANA) - In many parts of the world, governments, institutions
and various social groups have formed associations or clubs to foster cultural,
economic, political, and social development.
These also provide opportunities for annual events where the members meet to
review their successes and failures.
Among Commonwealth countries, for example, school children become more
conscious of the organisation through activities organised in their schools.
In the United States, African-Americans celebrate what they term Kwanza Day or
the day for the observance of black solidarity, on the first Sunday of every
year.
An idea has now emerged in the Gambia which, if accepted, could give the youth
of West Africa an event to be proud of.
Banjul is proposing that a day be specially set aside and observed as ECOWAS
Youth Day, to raise public awareness about the 16-nation Economic Community of
West African States.
Spear-heading the idea is Gambian president, Yahya Jammeh, who has declared his
intention to convince his fellow heads of state about the need for such a move.
Jammeh, who is currently the youngest president in the region, told youths at a
recent retreat that he would take up the question of establishing such a day,
to be observed annually, at the next ECOWAS summit.
He was addressing youths during the week-long retreat in Banjul, which started
on April 2 and drew youths from Kayes (Mali), Selibabe (Mauritania),
Tambacounda (Senegal), Gabu (Guinea-Bissau), Labe (Guinea-Conakry) and Basse
(Gambia).
Gambia hosted the event for the third time since it was instituted 18 years ago
at a meeting of youth and sports ministers within Zone II of the Supreme
Council for Sports in Africa. It is organised in turn among the six countries.
Activities consist of sporting and cultural events as well as discussions.
Trophies and certificates were presented to various participants. In attendance
were the governor of Tambacounda in Senegal, the mayors of Kayes in Mali and
Vellingara in Senegal and Gambian members of parliament.
Mauritania will host the next retreat in Selibabe.
At the end of the week-long event last Wednesday, Jammeh told the youths to be
in the forefront in addressing the multiple economic and social problems being
faced by the countries of the sub-region.
He challenged them to examine critically various issues affecting them, such as
education, unemployment and alienation from decision making.
It is essential to make use of the energies of this cohort of our population
and that further steps should be taken by all governments to stimulate and
sustain the growth of youth organizations and to strenghen cooperation between
them in relevant fields of activity, he said.
Jammeh urged governments in the region to accord the youth opportunity to
participate in the political process if they wanted them to play a role in the
development process.
Because of the importance he attaches to the youth, he said, his administration
enshrined youth development programmes in both the country's new constitution
and in its long-term developments strategy, Vision 2020.
But he stressed that no specific institution could assume total responsibility
for the welfare of young people.
He urged the private sector, NGOs and international agencies and all
institutions concerned with youth and development to respond positively and
increase their contribution to youth development.
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Greetings.
Matarr M. Jeng.
Copyright © 1997 The Panafrican News Agency. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 16:52:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
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The problem is that Gambian lawyers do not seem to want to fill these posts.
> This is a big problem, not only in the Judiciary, but in government and
> politics in general. The country needs more well qualified Gambians to
> perform these roles and these Gambians do exist, even on this list!
Where are the Gambians?
Maybe there is a lack of substantial pride in being Gambian or serving
Gambia, in the face of the tribalism and religious prejudice that was in
effect for most of our young post-colonial history.
>
> In the case of the Judiciary, it has been said that Gambian lawyers do
> not want to give up the financial security of their private practices.
> That might be true and I think that there is not enough of this
> patriotism, if you will, that could possibly make an appointment to the
> various courts as prestigious as they are in Senegal, Ghana, Sierra
> Leone etc., and thus more attractive then what they have.
Latir, I think you hit the nail on the head when you ask the
question...where are the Gambians???? For those that are on the
list...how many plan on going home and making use of their knowledge there??
Many times I hear from friends when I visit the States that they have no
plans for returning home. I guess Life is "easier" here but I honestly
don't understand why people won't return home?? Latirs question of
patriotism is a very good one. Where is it?? I understand that people
send money home to their loved ones, it's what
they can do while they're here, studying. But I don't see how, in the
long run, that can replace being at home in person and giving back in
kind and not cash? I know this is not true for every one, but what about
those for whom the situation is so??
One of the many problems that people have here is saving money for their
retirement cause they don't have the extended family system we have at
home to take care of them. this is something I always brag about....I
don't worry about getting old cause someone will take care of me! What
about parents or elders who are at home and their kids out here?? Or is
there another brother or sister who'll take care of them?? Sorry if this
sounds harsh but this is what I feel.
Another point Latir mentioned is that the lawyers at home , most of
whom are qualified for these positions, prefer to stay in private
practise.I think you're probably right in saying that the patriotic
characters that are needed are not here yet. But even if they are...i
wonder if they have the support they need inorder to be told that even
thought they're not making as much money, it's an honourable thing to do
hence they should keep up the good work!!!!. But this brings another
question that I think most peole struggle with a lot. in trying to do the
honourable thing...one makes a choice not to live the luxurious life
possible, by working for the government. good enough. you've made that
choice for yourself. But if one has family to take care of....should one
force them to accept your choices for the betterment of the country?
Hence not have what maybe was possible for you when you were younger
cause of the choices your parents made to give you a better life??
it's a decison and it's a hard one. but one people have to make. what do
people think???
Ancha.
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:40:30 +2000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
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Gambia-l,
Ramou Sallah has been added to the list and as a custom, we
expect to have an introduction from her. Welcome to the Gambia-l
Ramou, please send an introduction of yourself to
gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Best regards
Momodou Camara
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 18:34:12 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Repatriation and the need for talented Gambians.
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Ancha Bala-Gaye wrote:
> Another point Latir mentioned is that the lawyers at home , most of
> whom are qualified for these positions, prefer to stay in private
> practise.I think you're probably right in saying that the patriotic
> characters that are needed are not here yet. But even if they are...i
> wonder if they have the support they need inorder to be told that even
> thought they're not making as much money, it's an honourable thing to do
> hence they should keep up the good work!!!!. But this brings another
> question that I think most peole struggle with a lot. in trying to do the
> honourable thing...one makes a choice not to live the luxurious life
> possible, by working for the government. good enough. you've made that
> choice for yourself. But if one has family to take care of....should one
> force them to accept your choices for the betterment of the country?
> Hence not have what maybe was possible for you when you were younger
> cause of the choices your parents made to give you a better life??
> it's a decison and it's a hard one. but one people have to make. what do
> people think???
You make a good point here. The reason I brought up the issue of
patriotism is because you find that there are a few very good lawyers
who have made a small fortune in the legal profession. I think their
acquired wealth makes them more than comfortable but for some reason
they still do not see this call to serve. Some would call it greed and
I have heard that said. These lawyers should be the one to make the
step because they can afford to do so. I wonder why they do not.
> question...where are the Gambians???? For those that are on the
> list...how many plan on going home and making use of their knowledge there??
> Many times I hear from friends when I visit the States that they have no
> plans for returning home. I guess Life is "easier" here but I honestly
> don't understand why people won't return home?? Latirs question of
> patriotism is a very good one. Where is it?? I understand that people
> send money home to their loved ones, it's what
> they can do while they're here, studying. But I don't see how, in the
> long run, that can replace being at home in person and giving back in
> kind and not cash? I know this is not true for every one, but what about
> those for whom the situation is so??
This is also an interesting issue. I have also noticed the same for
many Gambians residing in the U.S. I sympathize with those who are
really struggling to make a life here and understand their reluctance to
go back.
The people I was referring to really belong to two categories. First
you have those who are studying abroad or have recently finished their
studies. In this group, I think we see quite a few who plan on residing
and making a career abroad, if they can. I guess there are various
reasons for this, including responsibilities to families back home, as
Ancha mentioned. Others, I believe, just don't see the security in
taking a job back home, realize that career opportunities are better
abroad or unfortunately do not see much to go home to.
For this group, convincing them to return is difficult but I can only
say that after you spend a while abroad and take the occasional visit
home, you will find the possibility of a much higher quality of life if
you repatriate.
The other group is the professional and well experienced one who has
spent a considerable amount of time abroad. There are quite a few
academics, international civil servants, private sector professionals
and others whose experience is badly needed back home. I think this is
the group that can most afford to make the move but perhaps this is
where the leadership back home needs to make the environment more
appealing and attractive.
Jammed has been in power for over 2 and half years now and while he has
made a lot of leadership mistakes, in my opinion, he needs to show some
maturity and temper his authoritative style to allow this experience to
make his government more effective. From what I have heard lately, he
may be on this course. I think the experiences with the so-called
"Swiss-gate" and the appointment of the Vice-President has humbled him
some and he might be settling down to deal with the growing problems he
will need to deal with as President. A renewed call to service on his
part for Gambian talent coupled with assurances of security would serve
both him and country well.
Peace.
Lat
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Date: 13 Apr 97 19:06:30 EDT
From: "Dr. S. G. Kamara" <73244.2701@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:gambia-l@u.washington.edu" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: APA conference
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APA means American Psychiatric Association.
Sorry for the oversight.
Regards
Kamara.
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:43:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
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Latir,
You touched on one of the main reasons why qualified Gambians either have
their own practices, in the case of lawyers, or simply leave home for better
paid jobs elsewhere, and that is the issue of money. Lets face it, the
salaries offered by government back home stink, and when one considers that
there is extended family depending on that measely salary, what is a person
to do? There are other reasons as well. Take my case for e.g. When l went
home in 1980, l was the first and only Gambian to have degrees in Plant
pathology. A couple of months later, another fellow who studied in India also
came home. We were at Pest Control under Saul Mboob. There was no job
discribtion , no lab and no equipment to work with. We mapped out a job
discription for ourselves ,but of course, other than a few microscopes that
had seen better days , our hands were tied. We were told that USAID had
donated a complete lab that was on it's way , but alas, this never
materialized even to-date according to a technician l talked to recently. To
add insult to injury, and unbeknownst to me, Mr. Mboob wrote a letter to the
ministry saying that upon review of my univ. transcript, he saw that l had
taken many courses not related to Plant Pathology at all in addition to my
Pathology courses. He, of course , was referring to my electives.Therefore,
he said, it was his opinion that l did not have degrees in Plant Pathology.
I found out about the letter from a co-worker in another dep't who saw the
letter. Needless to say, l was shattered. I wrote to the ministry demanding
an appology from Mr. Mboob but of course, they never even acknowledged my
letter. I had accepted this job from the minstry, knowing that the salary
they offered me (D550/month) was less than what l earned working just three
days a week part time in the lab as a student. I found out later from fellow
workers that Mr. Mboob was instrumental in sending his nephew to Univ. of
California at Berkeley to study Plant Pathology just a few months before my
arrival . Well, dear people, I was so upset about everything that I WALKED
OFF THE JOB. l came back to the U.S. and spent some 12 years working for a
couple of universities on Agric. research overseas funded by USAID. I
understand Mr. Mboob reported that l absconded from the job. He later found
me in Botswana and l had him over for a nice dinner .During the course of
the conversation he found out that l was considering applying for a part-time
consultancy on a U.N funded project, and he offered to write me a
recommendation.I politely declined.This experience has made it very hard for
me to feel the kind of patriotism that Latir talks about. I can demonstrates
my patriotism by engaging in private enterprise because l still care very
much about the common people in my country.
Jabou.
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 00:15:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re:AFRICA-EDUCATION: University, a Virtual Reality
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Sirrah,
Well put. We do have a long way to go before we can make use of this kind of
technology.I understand that even access to the internet is beyond reach in
Gambia due to the very high subscribtion rates. Infact, Gamtel introduced
pagers a few months ago but even this service cannot be afforded by many.
Jabou
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 00:45:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Repatriation and the need for talented Gambians.
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The reason I brought up the issue of
> patriotism is because you find that there are a few very good lawyers
> who have made a small fortune in the legal profession. I think their
> acquired wealth makes them more than comfortable but for some reason
> they still do not see this call to serve. Some would call it greed and
> I have heard that said. These lawyers should be the one to make the
> step because they can afford to do so. I wonder why they do not.
This is where I think the "virus" that seems to be infecting or has
infected our leaders comes into play.....greed. one gets used to a
certain life style and wants more of it. BUT another point is that, with
a family involved, things can get more complicated. ie if you've made
your family used to a certain way of life then it's what they'll always
expect from you. so again, do you bring them "down" with you because
you're feeling patriotic??? Another thing is that when you've shown
people that you lead a certain way of life at home, then one feels
pressured to keep up that front at all costs!!
The other group is the professional and well experienced
one who has
> spent a considerable amount of time abroad. There are quite a few
> academics, international civil servants, private sector professionals
> and others whose experience is badly needed back home. I think this is
> the group that can most afford to make the move but perhaps this is
> where the leadership back home needs to make the environment more
> appealing and attractive.
>
I think you're absolutely right about making everything more attractive
for those that are outside the country!!! I wonder how much cut backs the
government can handle when it comes to their way of life and some of the
unneccessary expenses they no doubt acquire, inorder to make this a
possibility???
Ancha.
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:44:31 +0200 (MET DST)
From: utbult@bahnhof.se (Mats Utbult)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
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A friend of mine, Buba Budjie, wants to join the list.
His emailaddress is: v5bubbad@ulmo.stud.slu.se
Yours sincerely
Mats Utbult
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:20:58 +0200
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding) (fwd)
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At 15:45 13.04.97 -0400, ANCHA wrote:
>I forwarded my room-mate one of the discussions from Modou Jallow and
>Latir regarding farakhan and this is what she had to say....., what does
>everone think??
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 00:40:17 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Marsha Wynter u <wynt3940@mach1.wlu.ca>
>To: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
>Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding) (fwd)
>
>very inetresting..I can admit to some of the faults that Farakhan has,
>but the fact that he lives in luxury means nothing. Are we saying that
>to be of any help to our people one has to reside in the ghetto. The
>reason why white people see him as a threat is for the very fact that he
>has prestige. That is the dilemmna that happens in the Black
>Community where there is a struggle for autonomy...we're forced to choose
>between being an influential fighter, or a fighter that is wallowing in
>thepits like the rest of us. That is not fair, we don't place that
>choice on white people, so don't do it for black people. Every person
>should try to help "where they are". I don't think, and I hope I don't
>have to don my dashiki to proclaim that I am fighting for my people.
HELLO MEMBERS!
I tend to agree to MARSHA's statement. Lets forget the Islam bit for a while
and concentrate more on what the man and his people are doing to "emancipate
the African-American from mental slavery" as Bob marley puts it. Steve Biko,
Mandela and many others were accused of propagating violence by the
apartheid regime and it's western subordinates, so was Arafat and still
termed a terrorist. Are we to believe these charges???? I wouldn't. All
Steve Biko, for instance, was doing is asking his people to believe in
themselves "as beautiful as they are" ("Black Consciousness) and stop
looking up to the white man for their success.
Another thing is, I don't condone racism but while the white man has
absolutely no reason to be racist the black man has all motives to be
racist, taking the history of slavery, colonialism and neo-colonialism into
consideration and the attitudes of racist whites which is still spreading
through out Europe and America. We can choose to forgive but this is our
choice and nobody's. I don't think we are giving Farrakhan the merit he
deserves. He and his people, understandable, could be very shocked of
comments from their African brothers and sisters. Where is the support???
::)))Abdou Oujimai
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Date: 14 Apr 1997 13:41:35 +0200
From: "Ba-Musa Ceesay" <Ba-Musa.Ceesay@Oslo.Norad.telemax.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu (Receipt notification requested)
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Subject: Re: Dual Citizenship And The Right To Vote For Gambians Living Abroad
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Thanks to those who have responded to the Dual citizenship issue.
What we know is that citizenship in some countries is based on the
principle of descent, which means that children inherit their parent`s
citizenship but in a number of countries, citizenship legislation is based
on the principle of domocile, i.e that a person`s citizenship is detemined
by the country in which he/she lives. Aternatively, acccording to
territorial principle, a person`s citizenship is determined by the country
in which he/she was born.
According to Norwegain law you are not permitted to have citizenship in
two countries. A foreign national who wishes to acquire Norwegian
citizenship will be required to give up his/her former citizenship.
However, the legislation permits one to hold citizenship in more than one
country among other things, if you have applied for norwegian citizenship
and it not possible for you to be released from your original citizenship.
The laws might be different in other countries but if it is not possible
for us to be released from our original citizenship as in the case of
Morocco, then Gambians who may need it, living in Norway can obtain dual
citizenship, although some might not agree with this angle.
The Gambian Associations in Scandinavia hopefully will continue to pursue
this issue.
Peace
Ba-Musa Ceesay
NORAD
Norway
> I don't understand how one can be a citizen of two different countries
by
> birth. May be you and I both have misconstrued what Ylva inteded to
relay. I
> think it is practically impossible to be dual citizen by birth unless
there
> is another definition of citizenship by birth.
Perhaps I got the term confused.
What I was referring to, and thought Ylva meant, was for example when a
child has parents from two different countries or, as in my case, a
child is born in a country other then his or her parents. In most
countries, including Gambia, a child is entitled to citizenship as a
birth right rather than naturalization, if his or her parents are
citizens of that country. That is what I meant as dual citizenship by
birth.
I wanted to know is if there is a provision in Gambian law that permits
one to retain dual citizenship on this bases rather than the cases that
The Gambian Associations in Scandinavia have taken issue with.
I have always assumed that Gambian law only dealt with the issue of
naturalization until last year when I brought the issue to the attention
of Immigration officials at Yundum Airport. They believed that dual
citizenship was not allowed at all but unfortunately, and sadly, they
were not sure. Officials at the Electoral Commission on the other hand
thought otherwise and allowed dual citizens to register for voters
cards.
Perhaps you might have information that can clarify the issue.
Lat
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:56:28 +0000
From: "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
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yes i do agree with your point but there is big difference between
those people eg mandela and louis farrakhan in that in that those
people carried out their missions NOT through any religion as opposed
to farakhan who is using religion namely islam to carry out his
mission , a mission which Islam forbids -VIOLENCE . money and
blood don't mix. i personally believe that if he wants to carry out
both , he should do it "disjunctively" but he would never do so
because that means less "CASH" which is the reason why he's
carrying out this mission. he is in it to win it for himself only so
why give him credit- excuse me please , sir, he is selfish and a
self-righteous prick.
regards
m'bai omar f.
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:23:10 +0000
From: "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
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Well Ancha , I am one of those Gambian lawyers you are in search
of and I am also one those Gambian lawyers who would never ever
work for the government . I do very much intend to go back home
eventually this year when I pass my BAR exams in June and work
with no one else but my Dad and the rest of my brothers .
Even at the time my Dad was the AG and M.O.J, i
have always made it clear to him that i intend to cintinue "Fana Fana
Chambers" which he does respect. Nothing at all against the govt, i
just want to do my own thing and be my own boss eg free represen-
tation for those that cannot afford legal fees etc. Besides after
spending 4 years to qualify as a barrister , that person has the
right to decide whether to work for AG's Chambers or for himself.
Don't you think so , Ancha??
Regards,
M'BAI OMAR F.
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:29:40 +0000
From: "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
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THANK YOU JAGANA FOR THE RECTIFICATION, I MEANT
RON GOLDMAN'S FATHER WHATEVER HIS NAME IS!!!
M'BAI OMAR F.
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 14:48:59 +0200
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Questionnaire - A Reminder
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AN APPEAL
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Dearest Members!
We have so far received responses from 11 members. While the "deadline" is
tomorrow, we would expect something better than this. So please, HELP US
HELP our education system. Remember, even 5 dalasis could contribute
significantly towards this gesture.
On behalf of the Education Group,
Abdou Oujimai
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:42:15 +0200
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
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At 11:56 14.04.97 +0000, Omar F. Mbai wrote:
>yes i do agree with your point but there is big difference between
>those people eg mandela and louis farrakhan in that in that those
>people carried out their missions NOT through any religion as opposed
>to farakhan who is using religion namely islam to carry out his
>mission .....
Mr. Mbai! I definitely appreciate your "frustration" but it seems to me that
everyone in a position like Farrakhan, Mandela... needs some idealogy to be
associated with. This, in my opinion, is just an instrument of spreading
ones message to the targeted audience or attaining certain goals. Mandela
was labeled a communist and is still being labeled a communist by the white
extremist in South Africa. Steve Biko used football audiences to spread his
message. The key words here are, how best ones message could be heard. The
Arabs pumps more wealth into the West than to their needy Islamic brothers
of Developing Countries despite the well established umbrella of
Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) - they need an idealogy to
establish such an organization.
Regarding your perception of Farrakhan or the Nation of Islam, everyone has
an open mind and has the right to believe what one wants to believe. So,
while I disagree with you, your personal opinion is respected. Besides, I
know little of Farrakhan to defend him as a person. Nonetheless, I would
sympathize, support or defend the cause of his organization wholeheartedly.
Regards,
::)))Abdou Oujimai
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:41:14 +0000
From: "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
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abdou that is entirely up to you. those people you mentioned , did
what they have to do in the name of "freedom from oppression"
against white extremist living in their own country and controlling
their (black south africans) affairs in the way they (white
extremist) want regardless of whether or not approved by the native
south africans. It is abundantly clear that those people fought
spuriously for the recognition and freedom of native south africans
and NOT to enrich their individualselves or their immediate families
like your hero Louis Farrakhan , who preaches you how to be
violent towards Christians , Jews, Catholics,etc. How could such a
person with such violent deeds, motives and believes be given
credit . He just doesn't deserve it !!!!
Furthermore , if someone is frustrated , its definitely got to be you
because I cannot imagine how on earth can a person , not suffering
from an impairment of the mind or an arrested development, com-
pare Farrakhan to heroes like Mandela or Steve Biko. Common be
reasonable.
Despite disagreeing with your opinion, I still respect it even though
I think it's a bit .....................
Regards
M'bai Omar F.
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 13:23:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Isatou Secka <isatou@Glue.umd.edu>
To: Gambia_list <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: GambiaNet LOGO COMPETITION
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This is a REMINDER that the deadline for submitting a LOGO to be used for
GambiaNet is next MON APRIL 21 - SEE BELOW FOR more details.
Dear members,
The Observer Committee has decided to hold a contest for the
GambiaNet (Official name of the Observer ONLINE) LOGO. To enter the
competition, please contact either
Isatou Secka (isatou@isr.umd.edu)
or
Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
for more information on how to submit your logo.
The BEST LOGO will be used for the Observer and the WINNER gets a 1 YEAR
FREE SUBSCRIPTION to the Observe ONLINE.
The Deadline for submission is April 21st 1997.
You may be as creative as you want!!!
GOOD LUCK !!
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 20:58:38 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: "GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU" <GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Repatriation and the need for talented Gambians.
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>
> Jammed has been in power for over 2 and half years now and while he has
> made a lot of leadership mistakes, in my opinion, he needs to show some
> maturity and temper his authoritative style to allow this experience to
> make his government more effective. From what I have heard lately, he
> may be on this course. I think the experiences with the so-called
> "Swiss-gate" and the appointment of the Vice-President has humbled him
> some and he might be settling down to deal with the growing problems he
> will need to deal with as President. A renewed call to service on his
> part for Gambian talent coupled with assurances of security would serve
> both him and country well.
>
> Peace.
>
> Lat
LAT!!
GOOD THINKING AND ANALYSIS. THANKS FOR THE GOOD WORK. KEEP IT UP!!
REGARDS BASSSS!!
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:44:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
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Annie Bittaye has been added to the list. We welcome her and will look
forward to her contributions. Enclosed is her forwarded introduction.
My name is Annie Bittaye, I am a Gambian student
attending Kentucky State University. I am pursuing a double
major in Mathematics and Computer Science. This is my
third year in college and I will be graduating in May 1998.
I heard about Gambia-L through my friend, Fatma Phall
and I thing it is a great idea for me to subscribe today. My
address is
ab063147@gwmail.kysu.edu
I will be very glad to hear from you. hope to hear from
you soon.
Annie.
Tony
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Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
University of Washington
Box 353200
Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:04:32 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
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Gunjur@aol.com wrote:
> to do? There are other reasons as well. Take my case for e.g. When l went
> home in 1980, l was the first and only Gambian to have degrees in Plant
> pathology. A couple of months later, another fellow who studied in India also
> came home. We were at Pest Control under Saul Mboob. There was no job
> discribtion , no lab and no equipment to work with. We mapped out a job
> discription for ourselves ,but of course, other than a few microscopes that
> had seen better days , our hands were tied. We were told that USAID had
> donated a complete lab that was on it's way , but alas, this never
> materialized even to-date according to a technician l talked to recently. To
> add insult to injury, and unbeknownst to me, Mr. Mboob wrote a letter to the
> ministry saying that upon review of my univ. transcript, he saw that l had
> taken many courses not related to Plant Pathology at all in addition to my
> Pathology courses. He, of course , was referring to my electives.Therefore,
> he said, it was his opinion that l did not have degrees in Plant Pathology.
> I found out about the letter from a co-worker in another dep't who saw the
> letter. Needless to say, l was shattered. I wrote to the ministry demanding
> an appology from Mr. Mboob but of course, they never even acknowledged my
> letter. I had accepted this job from the minstry, knowing that the salary
> they offered me (D550/month) was less than what l earned working just three
> days a week part time in the lab as a student. I found out later from fellow
> workers that Mr. Mboob was instrumental in sending his nephew to Univ. of
> California at Berkeley to study Plant Pathology just a few months before my
> arrival . Well, dear people, I was so upset about everything that I WALKED
> OFF THE JOB. l came back to the U.S. and spent some 12 years working for a
You bring up a sad reality here that unfortunately, 16 years later,
still exists.
The issues of the nepotism, tribalism and the lack of appreciation for
one's talent can only be rooted out by leadership. I have recently
witnessed many cases like yours where people have made similar
sacrifices and have been burned. I think I was a little over my head
before and simplified what is actually a very complex problem. One
thing I know for sure is that if things don't change soon, I see a very
bleak future for our country.
As for the salary issue, I can only say that each person has a different
circumstance to deal with. I guess if you were not so badly treated you
might have stayed and there lies some hope.
Thank you.
Lat
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:10:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU>
To: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>, ;
Subject: Re: Questionnaire - A Reminder
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Hellow Everyone: This is another reminder to those who have not had time
yet to complete the ED survey.The deadline is tuesday, April 15.Please
THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ON THE LIST OF PARTICIPANTS ALSO NEED TO COMPLETE THE
SURVEY BECAUSE WE NEED ALL THE FEED BACK THAT WE CAN GET SO THAT WE CAN
COME UP WITH THE BEST DRAFT PROPOSAL. If you do not plan to participate
now, we will still appreciate any feed back you can give us that will help
us in the process. Besides, even if you are not in a position to
contribute material wise now, you may have good ideas or you may be good
at drafting proposals, or may have useful information...... etc. So, hope
to hear from everyone.
Those who have already completed the surveys, THANKS A BUNCH.
MUSA (on behalf of the Ed group)
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 97 14:17:18 EDT
From: "Numukunda Darboe" <ndarboe@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
Message-ID: <ndarboe.1211429478B@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
>abdou that is entirely up to you. those people you mentioned , did
>what they have to do in the name of "freedom from oppression"
>against white extremist living in their own country and controlling
>their (black south africans) affairs in the way they (white
>extremist) want regardless of whether or not approved by the native
>south africans. It is abundantly clear that those people fought
>spuriously for the recognition and freedom of native south africans
>and NOT to enrich their individualselves or their immediate families
>like your hero Louis Farrakhan , who preaches you how to be
>violent towards Christians , Jews, Catholics,etc. How could such a
>person with such violent deeds, motives and believes be given
>credit . He just doesn't deserve it !!!!
>
>Furthermore , if someone is frustrated , its definitely got to be you
>because I cannot imagine how on earth can a person , not suffering
>from an impairment of the mind or an arrested development, com-
>pare Farrakhan to heroes like Mandela or Steve Biko. Common be
>reasonable.
>
>Despite disagreeing with your opinion, I still respect it even though
>I think it's a bit .....................
>
>Regards
>
>M'bai Omar F.
>
I really don't want to involve myself in this discussions. Omar
unfortunately you are not residing in the U.S.A. or possibly you could have
access to it; if not, I believe most of the mysteries surrounding the
minister could have been illuminated had you watched "MEET THE PRESS" late
last night or early this morning on NBC. I thought I knew the Man, but I
have all along being taking his words superficially and never gave them a
deep thought. On the program he denied he is a preacher of hate. He
justified this by giving a fact that throughout his 20 years of Nation of
Islam leadership, there has been no black muslim convicted of a hate crime.
Again don't get me wrong. I am not an advocate of the Nation of Islam nor am
I endorsing it. I am viewing the whole thing from the political side and not
a the religious aspects; although some people believe the two are
inseparable (my ex- roommate). It just happened that this topic is
simultaneous to his appearance on national TV. I thought if anyone can get a
hold of the transcript, it would probably make you back off a little bit
from the man.
Numukunda (mba)
********************************************************************************
Numukunda Darboe
Chemistry Dept.
University of Mississippi
(601) 232 5143 Lab
ndarboe@olemiss.edu
Home Page at: http://members.tripod.com/~ndarboe/
OLEMISS REBELS 1997 SEC WEST BASKETBALL CHAMPIONS
GO REBELS!!!!!!!
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:20:02 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
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M'BAI OF wrote:
>
> yes i do agree with your point but there is big difference between
> those people eg mandela and louis farrakhan in that in that those
> people carried out their missions NOT through any religion as opposed
> to farakhan who is using religion namely islam to carry out his
> mission , a mission which Islam forbids -VIOLENCE . money and
> blood don't mix. i personally believe that if he wants to carry out
Maybe this point can be better understood if the issue of violence vis a
vis The Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan is addressed.
How has religion been used to "carry out" violence? By saying that the
Black man should defend himself?
Also how does one explain the phenomenon called "jihad" and the way it
has been used by community and religious leaders alike in the Middle
East?
Lat
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:26:48 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
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M'BAI OF wrote:
>
> Well Ancha , I am one of those Gambian lawyers you are in search
> of and I am also one those Gambian lawyers who would never ever
> work for the government . I do very much intend to go back home
> eventually this year when I pass my BAR exams in June and work
> with no one else but my Dad and the rest of my brothers .
First of all let me say that I admire the fact that you will return home
to a family business.
The question I ask is, should you have a distinguished career in your
family's firm and make acquire enough to make yourself and you family
comfortable, would you consider taking an appointment to the Judiciary,
not the government, as an Appeals Court or Supreme Court Judge?
Lat
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:59:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: subscribe (fwd)
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:24:47 -0400
From: ANNIE BITTAYE <AB063147@gwmail.kysu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: subscribe
Hello,
My name is Annie Bittaye, I am a Gambian student
attending Kentucky State University. I am pursuing a double
major in Mathematics and Computer Science. This is my
third year in college and I will be graduating in May 1998.
I heard about Gambia-L through my friend, Fatma Phall
and I thing it is a great idea for me to subscribe today. My
address is
ab063147@gwmail.kysu.edu
I will be very glad to hear from you. hope to hear from
you soon.
Annie.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:13:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: umjawara@cc.UManitoba.CA
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
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Hello everyone, i just thought i would drop one more line on this issue
despite my busy schedule.
Mba Darbo, you can't let Minister Farrakhan use the name of
Islam to get what he wants, violence or not. When did you ever hear him
qoute the Qur'an even once? The issue of skin colour, where does that
exist in the Qur'an or sunnah?
Lat, you probably should read a little more about Jihad. It is not
synonymous with holly war as most people think. The word holly war, if
you translate it in Arabic, doesn't exist in the Qur'an even once. Jihad
can take the form of war at the extreme case to fight oppression but
literally it only means to strive, e.g. stop oneself from drinking
alcohol even though one loves it so much is Jihad and this is the most
important form of Jihad. But I agree that Minister Farrakhan is one of the
most eloquent speakers of our time.
Alieu.
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:17:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
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Yes M'BAI OMAR,
I do agree that after sacrificing a lot and spending a lot more time in
school than most, one should definitely have the choice of where to work
and everthing that goes with that. you're being true to yourself and
honest, but I just wonder what would happen if everyone did that??
I understand if you have obligation to your family, that's a different
case. But I don't think that anyone that wants to do their own thing
should say anything about what the government is doing and asking why
they're running things the way they are. Don't you think?
because I don't see how anyone can say something about the way things are
done elsewhere if they aren't wiling to do anything to change things in
that area of concern. I'm saying this because a lot of people want to do
things for themselves and not work for the government. which is fine. But
I don't think they should critise things done by the government and the
people that work for them, if they themselves don't want to "dirty" their
hands. what do you think??
Ancha.
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:41:23 +0200
From: "Matarr M. Jeng." <mmjeng@image.dk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Farakhan
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The following is from NBC`s " Meet the press".
Farrakhan: Blacks Must Control Destiny.
Greetings.
Matarr M. Jeng.
Farrakhan: Blacks must control destiny Nation of Islam leader again
says Jews have too much power
By Kyle R. Wood MSNBC =A0 =A0 =A0 Nation of
Islam Leader Minister Louis Farrakhan appears on NBC's "Meet the
Press." =A0=A0=A0=A0Black people in
America will never truly be free until they shake off outside
influences, Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan said Sunday. =A0 =A0 =A0
=A0 "We should not be under that kind of control which limits us and
makes us act like little boys going to Jewish philanthropists and
asking for money," Farrakhan said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "We must
take control of our own destiny. That is what I preach, that is what I
believe and that is what I am striving for."
*>On NBC's "Meet the
Press," Minister Louis Farrakhan on his problem with the Jewish
community On "Meet the Press," Farrakhan on Jewish
influence and the black community's need to be free of that control
Farrakhan on how America's racial
divide has changed little since the 1860s =A0=A0=A0=A0Farrakhan, whose
inflammatory rhetoric has led many to call him anti-Semitic and
hateful, spent much of the nearly hour-long interview defending
statements that have sparked furor. He denied that he is anti-Semitic,
said Christianity has been permeated with Euro-centrism and emphasized
that he would be willing to sit down and talk with leaders genuinely
interested in healing the racial divide. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Farrakhan avoided
directly answering questions about some recent complimentary
references to him by some conservatives, including columnist Robert
Novak. However, one Republican who Farrakhan has praised in the past,
Rep. John Kasich of Ohio, who was also on the show, said the minister
has "a long way to go" to show that his heart is not filled with
hatred. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 And later, on CBS' "Face the Nation," former GOP
presidential candidate Steve Forbes called Farrakhan "a racist, a
bigot and an anti-Semite," flatly dismissing any possible alliance
between Farrakhan and Republicans. Anytime he wants to talk, Forbes
said, Farrakhan could call the Anti-Defamation League and apologize
for his past rhetoric. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 "Louis Farrakhan is the kind of per=
son
you do not want to truck with," Forbes said. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 On "Meet the
Press," Farrakhan said he'd be the first to admit when he was wrong. =A0
=A0 =A0 =A0 "When men of high political standing say that it is impossible
to sit down with Farrakhan because of the things he has said, should I
say it is impossible to sit down with white people because of the
things they have done?" Farrakhan said. "If there's going to be some
meeting of the minds, intelligent people should sit down and not give
me preconditions but sit down and talk about the future of this nation
and the future of suffering people in America." =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Farrakhan
defended statements he made in a 1995 speech in which he accused "big
Jews" of financing Hitler's Third Reich.
=A0=A0=A0=A0"The question is, is it true?" he said. "If it is true, then i=
t is
not anti-Semitic; it is true. My problem with the Jewish community is
that most of the Jewish people feel that if you criticize any act of
Jews, that is anti-Semitic. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 "Why should anybody who critic=
izes
Jewish behavior that ill affects black people in their pursuit of
happiness be considered anti-Semitic?" =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Farrakhan reiterate=
d
his contention that Jews control black entertainment and sports
figures, who he said are treated "like high-prized pieces of meat." =A0
=A0 =A0 =A0 He also defended an earlier statement that Jews have controlle=
d
every American president since Franklin Roosevelt. He cited the
current breakdown of the Middle East peace talks as an illustration of
the power of Jewish American influence on U.S. foreign. President Bill
Clinton "pays lip service to Palestinians while she bows to the
dictates of (Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin) Netanyahu and the strong
political Jewish lobby," he said, by not demanding that the Israelis
stop building in disputed East Jerusalem. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Also on the prog=
ram,
Farrakhan said:All members of the Nation of Islam
currently in prisons should be released because those who have
accepted the religion are righteous and righteous men should not be
imprisoned.Government should exempt members of the Nation
of Islam from paying federal taxes because of their lack of
representation.The administration's strong stand against
the Iranian government is rooted in a fear of Islam <Picture. Blacks
in America, despite voting overwhelmingly for Clinton in the last
election, don't really have a home in either party. The Democrats take
their votes for granted, he said, while the Republicans have written
them off entirely.
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:10:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Senegal school students clash with police (fwd)
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 9:42:24 PDT
From: Reuters <C-reuters@clari.net>
Newsgroups: clari.world.africa.western, clari.news.education.misc,
clari.news.trouble.misc, clari.news.education
Subject: Senegal school students clash with police
DAKAR, Senegal (Reuter) - High school students in Senegal's
capital Dakar boycotted classes and clashed with police Monday
during a protest to demand the release of their mid-term
reports, witnesses said.
Police, who used teargas to disperse the students, made an
unspecified number of arrests. Students in other Senegalese
cities also boycotted classes Monday.
Teachers have been withholding the reports since February as
part of their own dispute with the government over demands for
improved working conditions.
``We sat for a mid-term examination and now we want to know
our term's report. Our teachers should not use us in their fight
with the authorities,'' Pape Mbengue, a student representative,
told reporters.
-=-=-
Tell us what you think about the ClariNews! Send your comments
to <<our comments email address>> <comments@clari.net>.
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:50:41 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
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umjawara@cc.UManitoba.CA wrote:
Lat, you probably should read a little more about Jihad. It is
not
> synonymous with holly war as most people think. The word holly war, if
> you translate it in Arabic, doesn't exist in the Qur'an even once. Jihad
> can take the form of war at the extreme case to fight oppression but
> literally it only means to strive, e.g. stop oneself from drinking
> alcohol even though one loves it so much is Jihad and this is the most
> important form of Jihad. But I agree that Minister Farrakhan is one of the
> most eloquent speakers of our time.
In the spirit of elaborating, I offer the following:
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Those who believe, and emigrate
And strive with might
And main, in Allah's cause,*
With their goods and their persons,
Have the highest rank
In the sight of Allah:
They are the people
Who will achieve (salvation).
(Qur'an 9:20)
*Here is a good description of Jihãd. It may require fighting in
Allah's cause, as a form of self-sacrifice. But its essence consists in
(1) a true and sincere Faith, which so fixes its gaze on Allah, that all
selfish or worldly motives seem paltry and fade away, and (2) an earnest
and ceaseless activity, involving the sacrifice (if need be) of life,
person, or property, in the service of Allah. Mere brutal fighting is
opposed to the whole spirit of Jihad, while the sincere scholars pen or
preacher's voice or wealthy man's contributions may be the most valuable
forms of Jihãd. [ explanation from English Translation of "The Meanings
and Commentary"]
********************************
I have followed your advice and I agree with you but, the theme of
Jihãd, if you will, is and historically has been used, misused and
abused by otherwise well meaning Muslims all over the world to commit
acts of violence.
>From the Shi'ite Harun ar-Rashid (786-809), to Hamah Bah in the
Baddibu's of the Gambia (1860's), to just last week in the suicide
bombing in Israel. Of course members of other religions, using this
same theme, have also done the same, most noticeably Christians.
Peace.
Lat
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:24:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: MJagana@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Fwd: Repatriation and the need for talented Gambians.
Message-ID: <970414232423_312581124@emout20.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-04-14 00:56:09 EDT, bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca (Ancha
Bala-Gaye u) writes:
<< The reason I brought up the issue of
> patriotism is because you find that there are a few very good lawyers
> who have made a small fortune in the legal profession. I think their
> acquired wealth makes them more than comfortable but for some reason
> they still do not see this call to serve. Some would call it greed and
> I have heard that said. These lawyers should be the one to make the
> step because they can afford to do so. I wonder why they do not. >>
Dear A,
It might also be that they do not have the political freedom to serve. They
may have ethical problems trying to serve a nation, whilst having to favor
the leaders that appoint them.
So it may not be a matter of greed, but a matter of personal freedom to
practice law.
momodou jagana
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The reason I brought up the issue of
> patriotism is because you find that there are a few very good lawyers
> who have made a small fortune in the legal profession. I think their
> acquired wealth makes them more than comfortable but for some reason
> they still do not see this call to serve. Some would call it greed and
> I have heard that said. These lawyers should be the one to make the
> step because they can afford to do so. I wonder why they do not.
This is where I think the "virus" that seems to be infecting or has
infected our leaders comes into play.....greed. one gets used to a
certain life style and wants more of it. BUT another point is that, with
a family involved, things can get more complicated. ie if you've made
your family used to a certain way of life then it's what they'll always
expect from you. so again, do you bring them "down" with you because
you're feeling patriotic??? Another thing is that when you've shown
people that you lead a certain way of life at home, then one feels
pressured to keep up that front at all costs!!
The other group is the professional and well experienced
one who has
> spent a considerable amount of time abroad. There are quite a few
> academics, international civil servants, private sector professionals
> and others whose experience is badly needed back home. I think this is
> the group that can most afford to make the move but perhaps this is
> where the leadership back home needs to make the environment more
> appealing and attractive.
>
I think you're absolutely right about making everything more attractive
for those that are outside the country!!! I wonder how much cut backs the
government can handle when it comes to their way of life and some of the
unneccessary expenses they no doubt acquire, inorder to make this a
possibility???
Ancha.
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:26:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
Message-ID: <970414232423_112011055@emout19.mail.aol.com>
Latir,
Lets hope that our present leadership will begin to address these issues,
along with many others that will bring about an atmosphere which will
encourage all of us to venture home with confidence .
Jabou.
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 01:06:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Education survey
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1) C
2) a & b
3)b if most people contributing to this cause are abroad then it's a
good idea to start ocassionally. because since they won't be seeing the
results of their contributions, it becomes a vague thing in the distance.
then it might later become a burden, something they have to do, among the
many other responsibilities they have.
4) Ministry of Education. I think it's a good idea to have a basis in The
Gambia cause they'ld have more of an idea of what the kids need. Also the
contents of the texts will be at least African based. Sending books from
abroad isn't a good idea because the content is from a different culture.
Ideas are more easily grasped if they're familiar things eg a goat
instead of a polar bear. or something.
5) a public person is a good idea cause they can help bring support for
the group and the goals. it might be easier for them to get around more.
Administrations tend to be harder to deal with cause sometimes their
agend could be different than what the group has in mind.
6) b
7) a, b and c are all good ideas. it'll be good if the group can make all
goals to work towards. I think a good idea would be trying to get
companies to hire students, form 4 onwards. being in school only teacges
one theories but if co-op jobs can be organised then kids can learn
things in the fields they want to persue in the future.
8) e for now cause I'm not sure where I'll be next summer. so, until I've
settled, (e) it is.
Ancha.
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 04:09:06 UT
From: "hurai betts" <Oneke@msn.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
Message-ID: <UPMAIL06.199704150642550530@msn.com>
Hello Everyone,
I do feel the need to reiterate on Mr. Drammeh's point on the absence of
Gambians in the key judiciary positions in the Gambia.Why is it that all these
positions are occupied by foreigners? Aside from the fact that most of the
lawyers back home are motivated by $$ signs, I believe that there is a stigma
attached to being a lawyer that must be removed in order for those who want to
join the legal system to do so. Most people are afraid to become lawyers b'cos
it is generally believed that the "marabouts" would be set against them,
thereby destroying their lives and any potential future that they might have.
For a long time when I was at home, and told people that I want to be lawyer,
I would hear all kinds of derogatory remarks on why I shouldn't become one
including the most famous anecdote that "lawyers become liars." Lawyers
should be given more encouragement to take up the key positions, and the ones
that are back home right now should be brave enough to take the necessary
steps required to occupy these positions. I think that all of us need to have
confidence in our ability to do the jobs and go for it. What kind of message
are we sending to the future generation if none of us is willing to help our
country? Our schools are filled with foreign teachers and so is our judicial
sytsem and very soon we will have a country headed by a gambian, but run by
foreigners and this will definitely make us look bad since the outside world
will see that gambians are not capable of governing their country without help
from others. So for those of you who don't want to go back home b'cos you lack
the incentive, think of the image that you're presenting to the citizens of
the country that you're staying in, they're not moved to visit your country
when you're practically saying to them that "my country is not good enough for
me to live in."
No offense meant to any one!
Peace and a happy tobaski to all
Hurai Betts
-----Original Message-----
From: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu On Behalf Of ebrima drameh
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 1997 2:05 PM
To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
Subject: RE:observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
I am writing in relation to The Daily Observer's editotorial of the 1st of
April
1997.In this article headed 'Justice Delayed Is Justice Denied',it was
reported
that one of the High Court Judges suggested that lawyers start paying costs
for
the delays caused in litigation proceedings.Personally ,I find this comment
rather absurd.
The main reason being that the main cause of whatever the delays is usually
not
the fault of the lawyers. It is true though that there are a number of
unnecessary delays.It should be noted that most of the judicial officers
preciding over matters in The Gambia are in fact non-gambians.This in itself
makes the tenure of office of the various judicial officers very
unstable.There
are several instances where a trial has come to a complete halt because the
preciding judge or magistrate has been recalled by his/her country of
origin,Sierra Leone,Zambia, Ghana or Nigeria.
Most of these officers are on technical assistance to The Gambia and are
therefore not bound to carry out their duties deligently nor is there a
guarantee that they will stay on for a reasonable period. It is about time
that
gambians be appointed to these posts.We should learn from the recent past. In
1989 following the rupture of the Senegambia Confederation,President Abdou
Diouf
uncermoniously recalled his forces without even having the courtesy of
informing
the concerned authorities.Senegalese gendarmes who where guarding The State
House at the time left giving only few minutes notice not even enough to
command a reinforcement of gambian soldiers.I see no reason why such could not
reoccur-this time in the judicial system thereby bringing the entire system to
a
standstill which has alot of implications such as accrueing high costs when it
comes to judgement or even keeping innocent people in jail who were due out.
The appointment of gambians to these posts will also enhance the efficacy of
the
understanding of proceeding by judges especially in areas such as land law.The
land tenure system in The Gambia is rather complex and needs a thorough
understanding of functions and positions such as that of the alkalo and that
of
the chief.Also the problem of interpretation will be minimised because gambian
judges will atleast be able to understand one of the local languages.
I hope that this article does not cast any shadow of xenophobia as I have no
such feeling.It is simply in the best interest of the country, that the
judicial
sytem which is a very fundamental branch of the three arms of government, not
be
left in its entirety in the hands of foreigners who know very little about the
day to day way of life of the average gambian from where issues turn out to be
ligations in court.It is disheartening to know that sensitive posts like that
of
The Chief Justice,Director Of Public Prosecution and ALL the High Court Judges
are filled in by non-gambians.
EBRIMA DRAMEH (NJOGOU@HOTMAIL.COM)
THE UNIVERSITY OF BUCKINGHAM
HUNTER STREET,
BUCKINGHAM MK18 1EG
ENGLAND.
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 02:53:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: MANSALA@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Request to add Vetran member back to the list.
Message-ID: <970415024615_-1535757029@emout18.mail.aol.com>
Toni:
Can you kindly add Sarjo to the Gambia-l list, his new e-mail address is
SAJOKONO@AOL.COM
Thank you
Kolley
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:49:27 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Request to add Vetran member back to the list.
Message-ID: <19970415085141.AAB11254@LOCALNAME>
On 15 Apr 97 at 2:53, MANSALA@aol.com wrote:
> Toni:
>
> Can you kindly add Sarjo to the Gambia-l list, his new e-mail
> address is SAJOKONO@AOL.COM
>
> Thank you
>
> Kolley
Sarjo has been add to the list. Welcome back to Gambia-l. Please send
an intro of yourself for the benefit of the new members who joined
us since....
Regards
Momodou Camara
*******************************************************
http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara
**"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's
possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible"***
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:44:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: KBadjie338@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: i want to end my listing
Message-ID: <970415044425_1554272237@emout08.mail.aol.com>
would you kindly end my listing to gambia-l . i hardly have time to check my
mails
quiet and this always prevents me from getting important mails hence my
mailbox
is always full.
thanks
my e-mail account is k badjie 338@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:54:49 +0200
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
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Omar Mbye! You mentioned "freedom from oppression", DON'T YOU GET IT?? Well,
you can choose to believe people like Forbes against Farrakhan, once again,
its your choice. Malcolm X in a TV interview differentiated the
"house-******" from the "field-******". Am afraid but this phenomenon exist
even within us, Africans. Omar, your type are the obstacles to any form of
unity that the oppressed try to seek. I don't really believe that you hate
The nation of Islam because they just want "to enrich their individual
selves or their immediate families". There are many people even within
ourselves who fit your description of Farrakhan, you don't despise them for
that, in fact you have respect for them. So please save us from that bit. If
you want to be naive or passive go on, but let others do want they got to do.
Regards,
::)))Abdou Oujimai
At 16:41 14.04.97 +0000, you wrote:
>abdou that is entirely up to you. those people you mentioned , did
>what they have to do in the name of "freedom from oppression"
>against white extremist living in their own country and controlling
>their (black south africans) affairs in the way they (white
>extremist) want regardless of whether or not approved by the native
>south africans. It is abundantly clear that those people fought
>spuriously for the recognition and freedom of native south africans
>and NOT to enrich their individualselves or their immediate families
>like your hero Louis Farrakhan , who preaches you how to be
>violent towards Christians , Jews, Catholics,etc. How could such a
>person with such violent deeds, motives and believes be given
>credit . He just doesn't deserve it !!!!
>
>Furthermore , if someone is frustrated , its definitely got to be you
>because I cannot imagine how on earth can a person , not suffering
>from an impairment of the mind or an arrested development, com-
>pare Farrakhan to heroes like Mandela or Steve Biko. Common be
>reasonable.
>
>Despite disagreeing with your opinion, I still respect it even though
>I think it's a bit .....................
>
>Regards
>
>M'bai Omar F.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:14:50 +0000
From: "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
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To be honset Lat , i have no intention whatsoever to make any
response to your superficial question in which you fail to properly
direct your mind as to the difference between "rhetoric and reality"
and the other reason why I need not answer your question is because
my right honourable gentleman "Alieu" has rightly responded to you
in a way I would have. so basically he has saved me time. In a
nutshell as I understood Alieu's reply is that you don't know much
about JIHAD and it is true that one (in this case you )
cannot make an accurate and an intelligible account of what one
does not perceive.
Finally as far as I am concerned , this topic is HISTORY, so stick
to what you believe about Farrakhan and I'll stick to mine.
Regards,
M'bai Omar F.
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:53:29 +0200
From: "Matarr M. Jeng." <mmjeng@image.dk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Fwd: Fire Breaks Out At Haj Tent City.
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Fire breaks out at haj tent city near Mecca
Copyright =A91997 Nando.net
Copyright =A91997 Reuter Information Service
DUBAI (April 15, 1997 08:13 a.m. EDT) - A fire broke out at a compound
of tents in the plain of Mena near the holy city of Mecca in Saudi
Arabia where two million Muslim pilgrims were gathering on Tuesday at
the start the haj pilgrimage, witnesses said.
The official Saudi Press Agency (SPA) said the fire started at a
bridge linking Mecca and Mena and spread to Mena due to heavy wind. It
said more details would be issued later. The witnesses said thick
clouds of black smoke continue to billow over the area four hours
after the fire started.
The witnesses said fire engines and ambulances were seen rushing to
the area, 11 km (seven miles) from Mecca.
They said the fire had slowed down the movement of pilgrims who had
after dawn on Tuesday started to walk or drive from Mecca to Mena
where they are due to spend the night at tens of thousands of white
tents spread across the plain.
SPA said fire fighters were trying to contain the fire, which started
at 11.45 a.m. (0845 GMT) on the eastern edge of King Abdul Aziz bridge
and "due to heavy wind spread to northern Mena." It did not say what
caused the fire nor did it report any casualties.
Saudi officials had said they were doing their best to ensure a safe
haj. Up to 270 pilgrims were killed in a stampede in 1994.
Greetings
Matarr M. Jeng.
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:01:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh)
Subject: Some diversion!!!
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It makes me wonder if the Minister Farrakhan topic is not some
diversion from real gambia-l issues!!!
Malanding Jaiteh
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:42:00 +0000
From: "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
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Ancha , first of all I haven't spent a lot more time than most people
in school as you put it , so may I respectfully ask you to get your
facts right or say nothing. If at all i mis interpreted your piont ,
could you please elaborate and be more specific.
Secondly Ancha , I think it is stupid to think that every other person
has intended to do just like myself i.e to go private . A lot of
lawyers that I know , are now with the AG's chambers so do other
graduands outside the legal profession.
Secondly Ancha, you said and I quote "but I don't think anyone that
wants to do their own thing,should say anything about what the
government is doing and asking why they are running things the way
they are. don't you think? because i don't see how anyone can say
something about the way things are done elsewhere if they aren't
willing to do anything to change things in that area of concern ."
Ancha , I regret saying this but i think this is a very immature
and nonsensical comment . As I understand it , you are saying that
each and every individual whether publicly or privately funded ,
should go home and work for the government , that way things can
change . this is a bizarre thought and sure most of the list members
will agree with me that this is stupid. Have you ever given any
thought prior to posting your mail , as to what will happen to the
private sector should every body work for the government . You
fail to realise that the country is run by two sectors i.e the
private and public , and you further fail to realise the significance
of the private sector when it comes to EMPLOYMENT , and you
also fail to realise that the government cannot employ every PATEH
SAMBA and DEMBA, yet again you fail to realise that not every
PATEH , SAMBA and DEMBA is sponsored by the government .
Finally Ancha , it doesn't mean that because PATEH or DEW
SANGAM, has opted not to work for the government , he or she has
no right whatsoever to criticise the government. May I ask ma'am
whether you are at all familiar with the term DEMOCRACY ,
although some people prefer calling it DEMO-KARA-KILING,and
the FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
Should your idea of patriotism being put into practice , what about
Gambian citizens like The Right Honourables Dr. Bala Gaye,
Jebez Langley, Dr. L.O. Sanneh, attorney Pa Edi Faal etc to name
a few, with international appointments over the years. In your idea
of patriotism, they were in holding those positions. Isn't it???!!!
Ancha , common lets face it , each and every individual has a right
to earn his/her living anywhere he/she feels is right for him/her.
This has been a long practice eg the prophet Muhammeh (PBBUH)
migrated from Mecca to Medina because His peace of mind was in
Medina.
You certainly failed in giving any thought to what you have posted
and the danger in doing so renders your article repugnant, baseless,
of no essence and unethical.
In any case, thanks for bringing up the topic but be more circumspect
next time before making such "Nursery School" comments.
Regards,
M'BAI OMAR F.
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:24:25 +0100
From: mbaldeh@zenithtvl.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Farakhan...
Message-ID: <199704151423.KAA19515@cam-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com>
Try as I may to ignore this issue, I cannot but endorse Malanding Jaiteh's
comment that this debate on Farakhan is irrelevant to the objectives of the
Gambia list. When did the Nation of Islam become central to the development
of The Gambia or to that of Africa? Intellectual discourse should be free
and fruitful.
Besides, I am appalled by the language that some people have been using
against Farakhan, Abacha, and some of their collegues' comments. Using
disparaging and derogatory language against others does not help in
expressing your views and may as well be an indication of your
shortcomings. It is my humble opinion that we should learn to respect each
other's views without going into a fit and calling names.
It will be unpardonable to fail where we should not.
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:48:20 -0400
From: SAMBA NJIE <snjie@gis.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
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M'BAI OF wrote:
>
> yes i do agree with your point but there is big difference between
> those people eg mandela and louis farrakhan in that in that those
> people carried out their missions NOT through any religion as opposed
> to farakhan who is using religion namely islam to carry out his
> mission , a mission which Islam forbids -VIOLENCE . money and
> blood don't mix. i personally believe that if he wants to carry out
> both , he should do it "disjunctively" but he would never do so
> because that means less "CASH" which is the reason why he's
> carrying out this mission. he is in it to win it for himself only so
> why give him credit- excuse me please , sir, he is selfish and a
> self-righteous prick.
>
> regards
>
> m'bai omar f.Hey, Omar ain't you getting too personal calling Minister Farrakhan a
"self-righteous p...". Like most who have written, I don't agree with
everything he preaches,however, he does have some interesting ideas
about African-Americans getting their fair share of the economic pie.
About him being violent, I personally have never heard him advocating
violence, hatred? maybe. Being rich or leading an ostentatious
lifestyle isn't exactly a crime in the United States and I can't recall
Islam condemning personal wealth( I may be wrong ), but if that is the
case, you might wanna take issue with our friends in the Middle-East.
Samba
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:32:27 +0000
From: "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
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absolutely not Samba because that is exactly what he is!!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:30:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: DELETE MY ADDRESS FROM THE LIST
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List Managers,
I write to recuse myself from the "BANTABA". Frequent travelling schedule I'm
about to embark on for field trips and other personal interests away from
Vandy, prompted me to take this decision. When my schedule returns to normal,
hopefully in june, I shall rejoin the discussions.
It's been a pleasure and I hope the deliberations stage here.....would advance
the cause of democracy, freedom and decency in The Gambia.
So long everybody!
MUSA BASSADI.
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:52:29 +0000
From: "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Farakhan...
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could you please tell me what are the objectives of the Famous
Gambia-L. This issue of Farrakhan is not in its entirety about Farra
but also about the Decency of Islam. Maybe in telling me what the
objectives of gambia-l are , you could also tell me what is and what
isnot relevant. For me personally, what I would call irrelevant is this
your posting telling people about relevance. Its a complete waste of
time and highly and utterly irrelevant. Its not going to stop people
from mailing what they want to . One man's poison is another man's
meat. Stop being set in your own ways and be flexible and don't
expect people to do things the way you want them to be done. Be
considerate and be reasonable for God's sake !!!!!!!!!!!!!
M'bai Omar F.
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 02:22:50 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Request to add Vetran member back to the list.
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Gambia-l,
We are missing another veteran, my good friend Morro Ceesay. Anyone
knows his whereabout? I miss him!
Lamin.
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:36:29 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
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M'BAI OF wrote:
>
> To be honset Lat , i have no intention whatsoever to make any
> response to your superficial question in which you fail to properly
> direct your mind as to the difference between "rhetoric and reality"
> and the other reason why I need not answer your question is because
> my right honourable gentleman "Alieu" has rightly responded to you
> in a way I would have. so basically he has saved me time. In a
> nutshell as I understood Alieu's reply is that you don't know much
> about JIHAD and it is true that one (in this case you )
> cannot make an accurate and an intelligible account of what one
> does not perceive.
First of all, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU to say what I know and what I don't
know. I ask one question about Jihad and all of a sudden you seem to
have a complete idea about my knowledge. You must be a pretty good
Marabout then. I could do with your services.
> Finally as far as I am concerned , this topic is HISTORY, so stick
> to what you believe about Farrakhan and I'll stick to mine.
I have always stuck to what I believe, that was the whole point.
I see that you have problems when it comes to addressing people with
respect, so I won't bother replying to anything you say from now on and
I would wish you do the same of me.
Good luck in your career!
Latir Gheran Downes-Thomas
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:49:50 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Some diversion!!!
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Malanding S. Jaiteh wrote:
> It makes me wonder if the Minister Farrakhan topic is not some
> diversion from real gambia-l issues!!!
MBALDEH wrote:
"Try as I may to ignore this issue, I cannot but endorse Malanding
Jaiteh's comment that this debate on Farakhan is irrelevant to the
objectives of the Gambia list. When did the Nation of Islam become
central to the development of The Gambia or to that of Africa?
Intellectual discourse should be free and fruitful."
Since I am the one who somehow perpetuated this discussion, I will
apologize for wasting time that could have been spent on more relevant
issues as far as this group is concerned.
I will say though, that the discussion was an eye opener for me in that
I assumed that most Gambians would feel the same way I did about the if
not stronger. In a way, I have learnt a lot here, especially about how
Gambians feel about and what we feel is leadership. Having found it all
fruitful for the most part, I have noticed that the two of you are not
the only ones who feel this way so I will not comment on the issue any
further.
Thank You.
Lat
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:59:41 -0600
From: fox_steven@venus.nmhu.edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: the heated debate re: Louis F.
Message-ID: <97041511594110@venus.nmhu.edu>
Dear friends, while I have not participated in this now tension-riddled debate
nor do I wish to enter the fray, I simply wish to share a perhaps useful quote
by Hans Kung, a controversial theologian: "Believe as you will but seek the
commonality that defines our interdependence." Thanks, Steve Fox
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 19:49:52 +0000
From: "BALA SAHO" <B.S.Saho@sussex.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: re: new members
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Edrissa Jarju and Abdou Bobb PLEASE contact Bala Saho and Malick Kah
as soon as possible. URGENT
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 19:53:18 +0000
From: "BALA SAHO" <B.S.Saho@sussex.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: re: new members
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Alpha Robinson we are still waiting for your response. Malick says
hello. Not yet on line. Hear you soon
Bala
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:52:58 +0100
From: mbaldeh@zenithtvl.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Dual Citizenship
Message-ID: <199704151952.PAA18709@cam-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com>
Social conflicts, frugal resources, indeed wanderlust have and continue to
push millions of people from the poorer South to the more developed nations
in the North. Some find new solace and never turn back. Others respond to
a strong pull of homecoming and never want let go the breast that fed them.
Under such circumstances, the concerned has but to turn to provisions of
international and national legislation to claim a fundamental right: the
right to nationality.
The right to citizenship to a nation was first mentioned by the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights (1948). However, the International Convenant
on Civil and Political Rights (1966) refers only to children in this
provision. Most of the jurisprudence on the matter is found with the
International Court of Justice (ICJ).
The ICJ in the 1955 ruling of the Nottebohm case said that "International
Law gives every State the discretion to decide on how to attribute its
nationality". Hence, only States can give or take away nationality rights.
By the1961 Convention of New York every State party to this instrument is
obliged to attribute its nationality to all children born on its territory,
regardless of the nationality of the parents.
While the Maastricht Convention does not make the same provision, in its
Articles 8 to 8E, it makes it a right for every national of a member State
to equally claim nationality from the other States parties to the treaty.
The Israeli Law of 1 April 1952, also called " the Law of Return", makes it
a right for all Jews in the Diaspora to claim Isreali nationality, e.g. the
Falashas of Ethiopia.
Most States use the following criteria to attribute nationality:
- jus sanguinis: determined by the parents' nationality;
- jus soli: determined by birth;
- naturalization (through marriage or prolonged residence)
Certain States allow pluripatridie or dual nationality in the following
instances:
- a woman acquires the nationality of the husband;
- a person is allowed to keep their nationality after getting married to a
foreigner;
- or those who are allowed to maintain their original nationality after
naturalization.
In the event where the above is not provided in national law, the judge can
use the litmus test of habitual residence.
States control nationality in order, inter alia, to know the composition of
their population and to avoid infringing on the fundamental rights of the
individual. In the search for more resources or for reasons based on race
or religion, States atrribute citizenship to foreign nationals. Sometimes
these decisions could be very controversial.
In developing countries such as The Gambia, people could easily feel hurt to
see such a right denied to them while it is accorded to other people on a
pick and choose basis. I would really register my support for any form of
petitioning to the government of The Gambia to see the right to dual
nationality granted to Gambians. Perhaps, this would be one way of
encouraging people to return to what is rightly their cradle, although I
would not take it as an excuse for turning away my back .
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 20:26:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
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Latir,
You are quite right in your assesment that those who trnaslate jihad to mean
violence and killing are indeed misusing the concept, such as in suicide
bombings and in the case of the Shi'ites in Iran. It is in this same manner
that they have misconstrued many things in the Qu'ran, including some very
major things such as Ali being the intended messenger instead of Mohammand
(SAS). The very points that Bass insisted on defending all this while. I am
glad that there are people out there in the ciberspace of the Gambia -L who
read and understand the true meanings of the glrious Qu'ran.
Jabou
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:31:04 -0400
From: Naffie Jammeh <nj368917@gwmail.kysu.edu>
To: GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: SUBSRIBING OF FRIENDS.
Message-ID: <s35401ed.014@gwmail.kysu.edu>
HELLO GAMBIA-L,
THIS IS NAFFIE. I AM A LISTED MEMBER OF GAMBIA-L
AND WOULD LIKE YOU TO GET MY FRIEND LISTED TOO.HER
NAME IS NDEY JABBIE NJ173949@GWMAIL.KYSU.EDU.
HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU SOON.
PEACE.
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 23:52:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: List matters (fwd)
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Hi folks,
Each time a list member's mail is rejected or undeliverable, an
error message is sent back to the list owners. Our previous policy was to
wait and hope that the member would come back online soon. With close to
250 members and a near equivalent number of error messages generated
daily, this policy has become untenable.
We henceforth will configure the list server to automatically
delete people whose servers refuse to accept their mail as these error
messages frequently put us over our quota and waste resources and time. To
resubscribe, send mail to the subscription managers:
(i) sarian.loum@eng.sun.com
(ii)gndow@spelman.edu
(iii)momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk
(iv) ASJanneh@aol.com
It would also be very helpful if members were to address all
matters concerning subscription, unsubscription , etc, to the PRIVATE
addresses of the subscription managers instead of addressing them to the
list at large. This is because the list might be generating too many
messages for the comfort and tolerance of many members.
Thank you and bye for now,
-Abdou.
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A.TOURAY
Computer Science
Columbia University
New York, NY 10027
MY URL ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
I WANDER AND I WONDER.
ALAS, ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:34:33 +0200
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Some diversion!!!
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At 13:49 15.04.97 -0400, LATIR wrote:
>Malanding S. Jaiteh wrote:
>> It makes me wonder if the Minister Farrakhan topic is not some
>> diversion from real gambia-l issues!!!
>
>MBALDEH wrote:
>"Try as I may to ignore this issue, I cannot but endorse Malanding
>Jaiteh's comment that this debate on Farakhan is irrelevant to the
>objectives of the Gambia list. When did the Nation of Islam become
>central to the development of The Gambia or to that of Africa?
>Intellectual discourse should be free and fruitful."
>
>Since I am the one who somehow perpetuated this discussion, I will
>apologize for wasting time that could have been spent on more relevant
>issues as far as this group is concerned.
>
>I will say though, that the discussion was an eye opener for me in that
>I assumed that most Gambians would feel the same way I did about the if
>not stronger. In a way, I have learnt a lot here, especially about how
>Gambians feel about and what we feel is leadership. Having found it all
>fruitful for the most part, I have noticed that the two of you are not
>the only ones who feel this way so I will not comment on the issue any
>further.
MALANDING, BALDEH and LATIR! I might have shared your opinions at the
beginning of this discussion but having read comments on Farrakhan that I
would only expect from guys like David Duke or what ever his name is, I am
forced to believe that this topic is very relevant here. It demonstrates the
ignorance of our people even the "HIGHLY EDUCATED ONES" when it comes to
issues like this. The way people perceive Farrakhan or the Nation of Islam,
for me, is a test in our own backyards...CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME. The topic
is relevant, its just the manner in which it's been discussed (by some)that
seemed to divert the real substance. Nonetheless, I understand and respect
why anyone would distance him/herself from the discussion.
Regards,
::)))Abdou Oujimai
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 00:00:05 +0800 (SGT)
From: Senessie Turay <9210077@talabah.iiu.my>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Farakhan...
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I agree with Mr. Mbai that Mr. Farrakhan is not a proper muslim, he is
only using that angle to garner support from the black mases. I was very
much disappointed when I saw half of his entourage could not perform Zuhur
prayer. In addition to that, he does not acknowledge Muhammad (P.b.u.h) as the
last seal of all the honourable messengers of Allah, he rather believes
that the door is still open. Mr. Far -away has gone to the extent of
personifying Allah as a black thing and misinterpreting some of the
Quranic verses that talk about the origin of man to impress his black
muslims. I don't accept his religious philosophy pertaining to God and the
creation of man. he's just another headless chicken in our midst, trying
to preach religion on a racial point of view. Inovators like him and
Qulam Ahmad ( the founder of the Ahmadiyyah movement) do not deserve to be
called Muslims for They need to be taught the basic fundamental beliefs of
Islam. Our religion is colour blind, we are from the same soul.
Wassalam.
Sanus
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:00:37 +0000
From: "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Honourable Louis Farrakhan a Gambia citizen.(Forwarding
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your question to me Mr Lat is " who the hell am I?" Well I am
simply the man you love to hate , the man who makes you realise
what a knucklehead you are .
Secondly , Icouldn't care less if don't reply to my mails but as far
as I am concerned i will reply to any of your mails if it appears
respondable. Just by saying that , you are telling me what to do and
it is the same you telling me not to tell you what you know and don't
know. look who's talking a.k.a JOHN BLAZE!!!!!!
Lastly Mr. Knucklehead Downes-Thomas , thank you for wishing me
luck in my career but you know what EAT A D-D-D-D-DI........!!!
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:48:50 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: Gambia-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Fwd: Senegalese Pilgrim Dies In Mina Fire
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My heart goes out to all those who lost a family member in this
disaster. I prey that these are the only casualities from home.
Lat
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Senegalese Pilgrim Dies In Mina Fire
Apr. 16, 1997
David Musoke PANA Correspondent
DAKAR, Senegal (PANA) - A Senegalese woman was among the 217 pilgrims of
other nationalities who died in a fire
Tuesday that swept through their tent city at Mina, near the holy Muslim
city of Mecca, Saudi Arabia.
Senegal's commissioner for the pilgrimage, Rawane Mbaye, said Tuesday
that two Senegalese pilgrims suffered burns and two others were hurt in
the stampede following the fire.
Senegal's 4,000 pilgrims are grouped in four sites, pending their
transport to the prayer at Mount Arafat, one of the many rites of the
pilgrimage, where they will stay two days before returning to Mina.
Mbaye said there was also significant material and human damage in the
area occupied by Iranian pilgrims where 25,000 tents were reportedly
destroyed.
Saudi authorities said Tuesday that 800 were hurt in the incident. Two
years ago, a similar fire killed three pilgrims and wounded 99 others in
Saudi Arabia.
Copyright © 1997 The Panafrican News Agency. All
Rights Reserved.
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:06:16 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: Gambia-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Fwd: Meningitis in West Africa
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Does anyone know more about these sad statistics.
Lat
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Meningitis in West Africa
Geneva (World Health Organization, April 13, 1997) - As at 11 April, a
total of 41 699 cases of meningitis with 4498 deaths had been
reported in Africa. These were mainly from countries in West Africa
where epidemics have continued to occur.
Burkina Faso with 16 775 cases and 1953 deaths accounted for 40% of
the cases reported this year,
Ghana with 13 063 and 1191 deaths for 31% and
Mali with 6 119 cases and 587 deaths for 15%.
Cases were also reported in:
Benin (273 cases, 47 deaths),
Gambia (856 cases, 119 deaths),
Niger (1813 cases, 587 deaths),
Rwanda (13 cases, 4 deaths),
Senegal (13 cases, 4 deaths), and
Togo (2619 cases, 360 deaths).
Gambia, Ghana and Togo were less affected during the 1996 epidemics
when Burkina Faso, Mali, Niger and Nigeria reported widespread
outbreaks. Burkina Faso reported 42 129 cases, Mali 7254 and Niger 16
145 cases in 1996.
Nigeria, which reported 77 089 cases in 1996, has not yet reported
cases during 1997.
Distributed via Africa News Online.
Copyright 1997
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:27:14 -0400
From: Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: The Power of Words
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"A murderer only takes the life of the parent and leaves his character
as a goodly heritage to his children, while the slanderer takes away his
goodly reputation and leaves him a living monument to his childrens'
disgrace."
Words can lead to love but they can also lead to hatred and terrible
pain. Quite simply, words are powerful and should be used ethically.
What I am trying to say is that when words are used to humiliate
another, publicly, one can never fully undo the damage. It is like after
having plucked the feathers of a chicken, scatter the feathers around
the world and later attempt to gather all those feathers to put the
chicken together again. Impossible, would you not say! So, I will
reiterate Steven's quote of Kung - "Believe as you will but seek the
commonality that defines our interdependence."
How can we not win with that attitude.
Thanks -Soffie
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:51:20 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
To: "'gambia'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Meningitis
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Friends, like Latir Downes- Thomas I would be glad if any of you have
any idea, why this very dangerous disease spreads so dramatically in
West-Africa right now. There was a message on Gambia - L a month ago,
which I was about to comment. But now I=B4m really afraid. In Denmark
people is still very frightened when a case is reported in the
neighbourhood, even it=B4s very seldom that it leads to death or
neurology-caused handicaps because of very quick and professionel
treatment. If the news will be spread I=B4m sure many danish tourists =
will
cancel their tour to The Gambia.
Asbj=F8rn Nordam
Lat
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Meningitis in West Africa
Geneva (World Health Organization, April 13, 1997) - As at 11 April, a=20
total of 41 699 cases of meningitis with 4498 deaths had been=20
reported in Africa. These were mainly from countries in West Africa=20
where epidemics have continued to occur.=20
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:40:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Raye Sosseh <gt8065b@prism.gatech.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Inappropriate Mail
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List members:
I don't understand why such a message could not be sent to
the personal address of the individual concerned.
I believe it's rather ridiculous to have such petty bickering going
on the list.
>
> your question to me Mr Lat is " who the hell am I?" Well I am
> simply the man you love to hate , the man who makes you realise
> what a knucklehead you are .
>
> Secondly , Icouldn't care less if don't reply to my mails but as far
> as I am concerned i will reply to any of your mails if it appears
> respondable. Just by saying that , you are telling me what to do and
> it is the same you telling me not to tell you what you know and don't
> know. look who's talking a.k.a JOHN BLAZE!!!!!!
>
> Lastly Mr. Knucklehead Downes-Thomas , thank you for wishing me
> luck in my career but you know what EAT A D-D-D-D-DI........!!!
>
**************************************************************
* Raye Sosseh *
* George Woodruff School of Mechanical Engineering *
* Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 *
* Internet: gt8065b@prism.gatech.edu *
* *
* Quote *
* ----- *
* "If you watch a game, it's fun. If you play it, *
* it's recreation. If you work at it, it's golf." *
Bob Hope *
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 11:15:22 CET
From: "Edrissa Jarju" <edjarju@usaid.gov>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: re: The Power of Words
Message-ID: <vines.NF59+uQFJnB@BASA14031.usaid.gov>
Well put Soffie!!
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:45:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Senegal scraps telecoms sale to Telia of Sweden (fwd)
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 7:54:17 PDT
From: Reuter / Diadie Ba <C-reuters@clari.net>
Newsgroups: clari.world.africa.western, clari.biz.privatization,
clari.tw.telecom.misc
Subject: Senegal scraps telecoms sale to Telia of Sweden
DAKAR, April 16 (Reuter) - Senegal has cancelled a
provisional deal with a consortium led by Swedish Telia Overseas
for the privatisation of the state telecommunication company
SONATEL, officials at the state privatisation committee said on
Wednesday.
``We failed to reach an agreement over optimal conditions of
development of the state telecommunications company'', one
official said.
Last November Senegal struck a provisional deal, which was
due to be finalised by end-December, for the consortium led by
Telia to pay up to 70 billion CFA ($120 million) for one third
of the projected capital of SONATEL.
Other members of the consortium include the Walter Group of
the United States, China Telecommunication Services and a
private Senegalese company Senecom Partners.
The remaining shares were to be sold to private Senegalese
and African investors, with 10 percent allocated to SONATEL
staff.
Sources close to Senegal's privatisation committee said
France Telecom was the second company short-listed as a
potential buyer.
Senegal has also announced it would liberalise its cellular
telephone sector next year, with January as the target date for
the start of a second network.
SONATEL started the West African nation's first cellular
telephone service in October, using a GSM system.
SONATEL has a capital of 50 billion CFA francs and an annual
turnover of more than 60 billion CFA francs.
($1<580 CFA)
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:26:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The Disaster in Saudi Arabia
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GL,
I am very much concerned about the fire incident is Saudi Arabia.
I understand that there has been some casualities...those were killed,
May ALLAH guide them to heaven; those who were injured, may HE heal them.
Being one of those whose parent and relatives are there, I am very
worried as I cannot get any updated information, neither from Gambia nor
from the Gambian Embassy in Saudi Arabia, about the disaster.
If you have any information, kindly post it to the list or send it to
one of my personal e-mail adrresses below.
Let's PRAY for them.
Thank you.
Reagrds,
Moe S. Jallow
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mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:02:17 +0100
From: mbaldeh@zenithtvl.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Education Survey
Message-ID: <199704161701.NAA09231@cam-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com>
Ancha, I find your proposals on the education of Gambian children very
interesting.
The costs of education, especially secondary and post-secondary, are so high
that students have taken it upon themselves to go into fund-raising. The
intitiative was taken by students at Saint Augustine's High School and with
the help of one of their teachers, Mr. Raymond Gibba, LEND A HAND SOCIETY,
as the organization is known, has been successfully addressing student
needs throughout the country. If you need more info. on this, you may
contact them at the following address:
c/o Raymond Gibba
Lend A Hand Society
P.O.Box 2914
Serrekunda, The Gambia
Tel: 220-390550
As regards tutorial or reading materials, I think that they can still be
purchased from abroad. Besides, let's remember that The Gambia has no
publishing houses per se and most of the books are imported. What may be
required in this instance is to get a copy of the school curriculum from the
Ministry of Education in order to avoid purchasing irrelevant material.
Somebody raised the issue of the computerization of Gambian schools. That's
a beautiful idea! But... What about the furniture, the books, etc.
Serekunda School pupils have still to provided themselves with the a table
and chair due to insufficient furniture. There are many other schools even
secondary which are encountering similar problems.
The country has however seen a very rapid growth of information technology
institutions. The Gambia Technical Training Institute, the Gambian
Computer Education Center, the Gambia Computer Services, Quorum Assocites
(the late Koro Ceesay was a founding member), YMCA, HighTech, the Ministry
of Economic Planning, you name them, are some of the institutions that
offer computer courses. La Fourmi offers an undergraduate course in
computer science and info. technology.
I think that once we overcome the structural problems found mostly in the
elementary levels of our system of education, we can move another step
forward in the improvement of the country's standard of education. Until
then we have to deal with the overcrowded schools, the sky-rocketting
tuition fees, the insuffience of qualified Gambian teachers, even the
reading habits of students. I feel that the school, public, and
specialised libraries in the country are under-utilised.
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 20:34:16 +0800 (SGT)
From: Senessie Turay <9210077@talabah.iiu.my>
To: gambia-l <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: EID MUBARAK
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I WISH YOU ALL A VERY SPECIAL EID ( BANA SALLEH, TOBASKI, PRAY DAY AND
DONKI SALI) I HOPE YOU WILL CELEBERATE THIS WONDERFUL OCCASION BY ASKING
GOD ALMIGHTY FOR HIS FORGIVENESS AND AS WELL AS PRAYING FOR OUR PARENTS.
DOA:
ALLAHUMAJ ALNA MINA FA IZINA WAL A'IDINA. WAR HAMNA BIRAH MATIKA YA AR
HAMARRAHIMEEN. AMIN
SANUSI.
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:55:36 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member and Eid Mubarak
Message-ID: <19970417085811.AAA47648@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Yaya Sisay has been added to the list. Welcome to the Gambia-l
Yaya, please send an introduction of yourself to
gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Regards
Momodou Camara
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EID MUBARAK - ( TOBASKI GREETINGS TO ALL)
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:39:14 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: (PART 1) ISLAM AND THE FARAKAN CONFUSION
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THE FARRAKAN CONFUSION!!!
"IT IS NOT REQUIRED OF THEE TO SET THEM TO THE RIGHT PATH,BUT GOD SETS
THEM ON THE RIGHT PATH WHOM HE PLEASETH"
THE QURAN (CHPT.2)
"IF IT HAD BEEN THY LORDS WILL, THEY WOULD ALL HAVE BELIEVED,ALL WHO ARE
ON EARTH, WILT THOU THEN COMPEL MANKIND,AGAINST THEIR WILL,TO BELIEVE?"
(CHPT.10)
"SAY: THE TRUTH FROM YOUR LORD, LET HIM WHO WILL,BELIEVE, AND LET HIM
WHO WILL REJECT(IT)"
(CHPT.18)
On the surface,the authenticity of Mr. Farrakans Islam is totally
unconnected to Gambia and its issues;but the mere fact that it has
sparked off such a passion on the Gambia-l should help convince those
who don't believe in its connectivity to Gambia that maybe it is
connected afterall. The problem is that,like it or not, Farrakan is not
just another black man in America.He is the leader and voice of all the
disinherited, downtrodden and disenfranchised black people in America,
a weak but still an Echo of the Message of one of the greatest Black
Liberators of all times, Malcom X. So, evaluating a personality like
Farrakan on the basis of his religion instead of his historical function
as a Liberator of the person and dignity of the Black human being is at
best ridiculous and ,at worst, infantile,saying nothing about those who
robotically repeat to us the oppressor's
propagander that he is a violent preacher of hate.Now,which is more
violent and hateful,the ourageous poverty and wretchedness of thirty
percent of the black people in the wealthiest country on this planet or
the person who is preaching that it is immoral and that it must stop?!
So, the Gambians, being not only black but also coming from West
Africa,the place where most of the Ancestors of the black people in
America come from,thus sharing with them the same blood pool ,makes our
connectivity to them a little bit deeper than skin colour. Any Gambian
having any doubts about our intense relatedness to fate of the black
people in America should visit that Gruesome Building on the Senegalese
Island of GOREE to see and feel for himself the barbarity committed
against the ancestors of our cousins now in the new world.So, the issue
here is not whether its related to Gambia, but whether the insanity of
dismissing such a fearles and gallant defender of the rights of our
cousins as a fake, simply because of his unconventional practice of
islam ,should be left unchalleged.
The problems with hypocritical moralizing is that the person engaged in
it applies moral standards only selectively. We all know that at the
height of the Liberation Struggle in South Africa, Winnie Mandela was
the Malcom X of the Struggle, whereas the Husband was the Dr. Martin
Luther King. The former preached violence and urged the black
babysitters to kill the white babies they were babysitting and activists
to necklace any black caught helping the white cause and the latter
preached integration ,co-existence and harmony between the races.And
,ultimately, the revolution was not won simply because the racists in
South africa suddenly believed in the equality between the races,but
because they realised that the blacks would take their rights "by any
means necessary", so they (the whites)had to make their pick,either
through peaceful means or violently. And with all her violent tactics,I
can't recall any black person ,even the most devout christians among
them,ever faulting the Mother Of The Nation for preaching violence,which
is a clear violation of a fundamental tenet of the christian faith.And
the simple explanation for that is that, when your very existence is on
the line,and the very person who threatens your that existence does not
believe or exercise the rules that you believe in,you are then free to
suspend your rules and talk to your tormentor in the language that he
best understands,and the Quran says: "But if one is forced by necessity
without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits then he's
guiltless, for God is oft forgiving most merciful" And that is precisely
what Farrakan is doing,and any black person who either as a result of
his or her incapacity to understand the history of the black struggle,or
suffering from the "Town ******" syndrome that Dr.X warned us against,is
doing so at his or her own peril.So,in addition to the fact that the
Quran warned the Prophet against deciding who is or is not a moslem
after they have accepted the fate,the survival issues of the black race
cannot be held hostage by a religion that may or may not be sensitive to
the unique struggle that we black people are engaged in.
BECAUSE TODAY IS TOBASKI,I CAN'T SAY MORE THAN THIS FOR TODAY,BUT WILL
COME BACK TOMORROW TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER CONFUSING TOPIC NAMELY,THE
Shia-Sunni DEVIDE.SO UNTIL I TALK TO YOU GUYS AND GALS TOMORROW,I AM
WISSSSSSHHHHHHHIIIIINNNNGGGG ALL OF YOU A FANTASTIC Tobaski!!!!!!!!!!!
REGARDS BASSSS
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:27:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: EID MUBARAK
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Sanusi,
Thank you for the D'ua. Eid Mubarak to you and all the members.
May this day be full of blessings.
Regards,
Moe S. Jallow
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mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:47:03 +0200
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: (PART 1) ISLAM AND THE FARAKAN CONFUSION
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970417124703.0067f19c@golf.uib.no>
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BROTHER BASS! BRILLIANTLY SAID. ALL education IS ABOUT IS *W*I*S*D*O*M*,
AND YOU SURELY GOT THAT ONE. KEEP UP THE FAITH!!!
***HAPPY TOBASKI U'ALL***
::)))Abdou Oujimai
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 08:33:18 EDT
From: "Numukunda Darboe" <ndarboe@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
To: KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA,
"GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: (PART 1) ISLAM AND THE FARAKAN CONFUSION
Message-ID: <ndarboe.1211668038A@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
>THE FARRAKAN CONFUSION!!!
>
>"IT IS NOT REQUIRED OF THEE TO SET THEM TO THE RIGHT PATH,BUT GOD SETS
>THEM ON THE RIGHT PATH WHOM HE PLEASETH"
>
>THE QURAN (CHPT.2)
>
>"IF IT HAD BEEN THY LORDS WILL, THEY WOULD ALL HAVE BELIEVED,ALL WHO ARE
>ON EARTH, WILT THOU THEN COMPEL MANKIND,AGAINST THEIR WILL,TO BELIEVE?"
>
>(CHPT.10)
>
>"SAY: THE TRUTH FROM YOUR LORD, LET HIM WHO WILL,BELIEVE, AND LET HIM
>WHO WILL REJECT(IT)"
So, evaluating a personality like
>Farrakan on the basis of his religion instead of his historical function
>as a Liberator of the person and dignity of the Black human being is at
>best ridiculous and ,at worst, infantile,saying nothing about those who
>robotically repeat to us the oppressor's
>propagander that he is a violent preacher of hate.Now,which is more
>violent and hateful,the ourageous poverty and wretchedness of thirty
>percent of the black people in the wealthiest country on this planet or
>the person who is preaching that it is immoral and that it must stop?!=20
>
..So,in addition to the fact that the
>Quran warned the Prophet against deciding who is or is not a moslem
>after they have accepted the fate,the survival issues of the black race
>cannot be held hostage by a religion that may or may not be sensitive to
>the unique struggle that we black people are engaged in.
>
>BECAUSE TODAY IS TOBASKI,I CAN'T SAY MORE THAN THIS FOR TODAY,BUT WILL
>COME BACK TOMORROW TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER CONFUSING TOPIC NAMELY,THE
>Shia-Sunni DEVIDE.SO UNTIL I TALK TO YOU GUYS AND GALS TOMORROW,I AM
>WISSSSSSHHHHHHHIIIIINNNNGGGG ALL OF YOU A FANTASTIC Tobaski!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> REGARDS BASSSS
>
> =20
>--=20
>SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
>
Well documented Bass
Thanks
EID MUBARAK TO ALL DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS
Numukunda(mba)
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Numukunda Darboe
Chemistry Dept.
University of Mississippi
(601) 232 5143 Lab
ndarboe@olemiss.edu
Home Page at: http://members.tripod.com/~ndarboe/
OLEMISS REBELS 1997 SEC WEST BASKETBALL CHAMPIONS
GO REBELS!!!!!!!
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 08:38:54 EDT
From: "Numukunda Darboe" <ndarboe@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
To: "The Gambia and Related Issues Mailng List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: EID
Message-ID: <ndarboe.1211668374B@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
Does anyone know when the majority of the Gambia (especially Bansang) will
have Eid? I am thinking some already had, but as you all know there is
always a controversy in the Gambia as to when to have the Eid.
Thank you
Numukunda(mba)
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Numukunda Darboe
Chemistry Dept.
University of Mississippi
(601) 232 5143 Lab
ndarboe@olemiss.edu
Home Page at: http://members.tripod.com/~ndarboe/
OLEMISS REBELS 1997 SEC WEST BASKETBALL CHAMPIONS
GO REBELS!!!!!!!
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:30:29 -0600
From: fox_steven@venus.nmhu.edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: menengitis
Message-ID: <97041708302975@venus.nmhu.edu>
Dear Friends, I wish to put a question to the group regarding the menengitis
outbreak in Gambia. Does anyone know what type of menengitis is involved? Is
it viral or bacterial; what is the particiular strain? I'm returning to Gambia
at the end of May and would like to be as informed as possible regarding the
situation. Feel free to reply to my personal address:
fox_steven@venus.nmhu.edu
And may all of my brothers and sisters have a great tobasci.
Peace and love,
Steve
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:35:22 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: (PART 1) ISLAM AND THE FARAKAN CONFUSION
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Abdou Gibba wrote:
>
> BROTHER BASS! BRILLIANTLY SAID. ALL education IS ABOUT IS *W*I*S*D*O*M*,
> AND YOU SURELY GOT THAT ONE. KEEP UP THE FAITH!!!
>
> ***HAPPY TOBASKI U'ALL***
>
> ::)))Abdou Oujimai
ABDOU!!
THANK YOU MY VERY GOOD FRIEND DOWN THERE! AN ENJOYABLE TOBASKI TO YOU
AND YOUR LOVED ONES.
REGARDS BASSSSS!!!
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:32:36 -0400
From: ANNIE BITTAYE <AB063147@gwmail.kysu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Inappropriate Mail -Reply
Message-ID: <s356188d.039@gwmail.kysu.edu>
Hi Raye,
I see that you are getting a little bit mad with
Latir about the listings, but don't worry about it
everything will be alright.
So how are you doing in school? Making all A's
as usual, thats great just keep it up. This is my
junior year, hopefully I will graduate in May 1998
with a double major in Mathematics and Computer
science.
Do you hear from Pap and Jaine? we always
communicate through e-mail. I think that is so
great for us (old classmates) to stay in touch.
Well, I think I will stop hear until I hear from
you and I wish you all the best in your career. hope
to hear from you soon.
Bye
Annie.
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:56:13 -0500 (EST)
From: "YAYA S. SISAY" <sisayy@wabash.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: New member and Eid Mubarak
Message-ID: <18E73F21A8C@scholar.wabash.edu>
Waz-up yall! my name is Yaya Sisay and am from Pipe-line. am
currently a student at Wabash College in Crawfordsville Indiana. I've
been here for quite a long time with no contacts from Gambian student
what so ever. Anyway I went to high School here and am now a freshman
at Wabash. Perphaps, it not a familiar place for most Gambians as
there are only two of us here. I'll be open to any kind of mail so
feel free to write!
Peace!
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:15:56 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <19970417211837.AAA32978@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Paul Williams has been added to the list. Welcome to the Gambia-l
Paul, please send an introduction of yourself to
gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Regards
Momodou Camara
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EID MUBARAK - ( TOBASKI GREETINGS TO ALL)
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:45:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ancha Bala-Gaye u <bala7500@mach1.wlu.ca>
To: Senessie Turay <9210077@talabah.iiu.my>
Cc: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: EID MUBARAK
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I'ld just like to wish everyone a very happy Eid Mubarak!!! and many more
to come. May Allah guide us onto the right paths and bless us all.
Ancha.
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:22:04 -0700
From: sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Inappropriate Mail -Reply
Message-ID: <199704180422.VAA09028@thesky.incog.com>
All,
Will you please refrain from sending personal message to the entire group. Its really inappropriate, its been discussed over and over again. Please contact any list manager for private addresses and we'll be more than happy to provide it.
cheers,
Sarian
> From AB063147@gwmail.kysu.edu Thu Apr 17 09:37:22 1997
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:32:36 -0400
> From: ANNIE BITTAYE <AB063147@gwmail.kysu.edu>
> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Inappropriate Mail -Reply
> X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN
>
> Hi Raye,
> I see that you are getting a little bit mad with
> Latir about the listings, but don't worry about it
> everything will be alright.
> So how are you doing in school? Making all A's
> as usual, thats great just keep it up. This is my
> junior year, hopefully I will graduate in May 1998
> with a double major in Mathematics and Computer
> science.
> Do you hear from Pap and Jaine? we always
> communicate through e-mail. I think that is so
> great for us (old classmates) to stay in touch.
> Well, I think I will stop hear until I hear from
> you and I wish you all the best in your career. hope
> to hear from you soon.
> Bye
> Annie.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:36:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Raye Sosseh <gt8065b@prism.gatech.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Inappropriate Mail -Reply
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Hey Annie,
Actually, I was not that mad.....but I just thought
it was rather inappropriate......
It's great that you're almost done.....So, have you decided
yet what you'll be doing after graduating... thinking of going
to grad. sch?
You're right.....it's good that we keep in touch.... I
did send Jaine an email, but I think it was right before he left
for the break and might not have gotten it......Pap, I have not
heard from in a while.... he used to call me when I was in Jersey
but I've not heard from him in a while..... you could give me his
e-mail...... I have to go now..... I'll talk to you later... and
by the way Eid-Mubarak.
**************************************************************
* Raye Sosseh *
* George Woodruff School of Mechanical Engineering *
* Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 *
* Internet: gt8065b@prism.gatech.edu *
* *
* Quote *
* ----- *
* "If you watch a game, it's fun. If you play it, *
* it's recreation. If you work at it, it's golf." *
Bob Hope *
**************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:48:16 -0700
From: sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New Member
Message-ID: <199704180448.VAA09041@thesky.incog.com>
All,
Omar Janneh has been added to the list. Welcome aboard and please send in your intro to the group.
Sarian
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:04:32 -0700
From: sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Inappropriate Mail -Reply
Message-ID: <199704180504.WAA09049@thesky.incog.com>
Correction! list manager should be subscription manager.
Sarian
> From sarian@ns Thu Apr 17 21:26:16 1997
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:22:04 -0700
> From: sarian@ns (Sarian Loum)
> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Inappropriate Mail -Reply
> X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN
>
> All,
>
> Will you please refrain from sending personal message to the entire group. Its really inappropriate, its been discussed over and over again. Please contact any list manager for private addresses and we'll be more than happy to provide it.
>
> cheers,
>
> Sarian
>
> > From AB063147@gwmail.kysu.edu Thu Apr 17 09:37:22 1997
> > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:32:36 -0400
> > From: ANNIE BITTAYE <AB063147@gwmail.kysu.edu>
> > To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> > Subject: Inappropriate Mail -Reply
> > X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN
> >
> > Hi Raye,
> > I see that you are getting a little bit mad with
> > Latir about the listings, but don't worry about it
> > everything will be alright.
> > So how are you doing in school? Making all A's
> > as usual, thats great just keep it up. This is my
> > junior year, hopefully I will graduate in May 1998
> > with a double major in Mathematics and Computer
> > science.
> > Do you hear from Pap and Jaine? we always
> > communicate through e-mail. I think that is so
> > great for us (old classmates) to stay in touch.
> > Well, I think I will stop hear until I hear from
> > you and I wish you all the best in your career. hope
> > to hear from you soon.
> > Bye
> > Annie.
> >
> >
>
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:06:27 JST +900
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:30:15 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <19970418093301.AAA32202@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Mactar Sagne has been added to the list. Welcome to the Gambia-l
Mactar, please send an introduction of yourself to
gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Regards
Momodou Camara
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 14:08:32 PDT
From: "Mactar sagne" <sagne@ipruniv.cce.unipr.it>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu,
"The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: New member
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Assalamou aley koum,
My name is then Mactar Sagne, I am senegalese man (senegabian man).
I am studing in Italy at the University of Parme. I look for on water
resource.
I have seen some interessing forward messages from your list and i
subscribe
me.
I am sorry of my english which is not very well.
Good day for all.
Mactar Sagne Universita' di Parma, Dipartimento di Scienze della Terra,
Viale delle Scienze, 78, 43100 Parma Italy.
Tel: 0039/521/905354
Fax: 0039/521/905305
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:06:10 +0000
From: "SISSOHO EM" <E.M.Sissoho@icsl.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: THE WILL OF GOD?!
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EID MUBARAK TO ALL
Friends I am troubled by the tragedy that accured in Saudi Arabia.
I extend my sympathies to anyone who has lost a relative. Many moslems
will doubtless say it was the will of god. I know of muslims whose
ambition is to die in the Holy Land. But surely not in these
circumstances.
Was the tragedy the will of God?!. As good muslims we are taught to
accept whatever is our fate. Let me give you an example. Suppose a
group of Gambia-1 members hired a coach to go on a trip somewhere.
As we go along the interstate highway we stoped at a service station
to change a tyre. The tyre was successfully changed but the mechanic
"forgot" to replace three of the five nuts that where suppose to hold
the wheel in place.
Inevitabely as we travelled along the wheel spurn off, the coach turned
over, a few people got killed and some got injured. Was this the will
of God??
I will call it NEGLIGENCE. A few years a go another tragedy occurred
in Saudi . This one was in a tunnel inside a mountain, the
ventilation had failed and as a result of an accident, a pile-up
ensued and again many people died.
Are we going to blame Saudi incompetence for this fire or the will of
god? Was the possibility of a fire not forseeable? Was the fire not
preventable with appropriate safety measures?
Somebody please help!!
respecfully Edrisa.
forgot
Edrisa M.sissoho
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:00:29 GMT0BST
From: "N.JARJU" <CD6C6JNJ@swansea.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: THE WILL OF GOD?!
Message-ID: <2BEB81C737E@CCUGRAD2.SWAN.AC.UK>
Assalamu Alaikum Brothers in Islam,
May Allah accept our Eid prayers and grant us longer lives and good
health to withess many more to come. May peace, progress,
stability and understanding across ethnicity and religions ever reign
in our beloved country, neghbourhoods and entire region.
I know many must have missed the joy we spaend with our families and
friends in the traditional style; but it is because of worthy
ventures. May Allah accept our deeds and help of succeed in our
endeavours in these foreign lands. Amen.
Now to you Mr. Sissoko, negligence, forgetfulness, etc. are all work
of the human mind. My question is: Who controls this mind? For how
many years have cooking been taking place during the Hajj?
If the first question can be answered correctly, then I am of the
opinion that it would be possible to avoid forgetfulness. Please
Brothers we learn from lessons; which atimes could be bitter. Some
are blaming the Saudi government but I do not share that opinion for
now until if the incidence continues to repeat itself.
May Allah have mercy on their souls and accept their Hajj. Amen.
I wish you all well.
Thanx,
Nyaks.
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:16:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Maternal mortality in Africa
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GL,
Below is some information that might interest some of you
.......Read on........
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> > Maternal mortality: shrouded in a 'conspiracy of silence'
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > By Margaret A. Novicki
> >
> > More than 600 women die in pregnancy or childbirth in
> > sub-Saharan Africa every day -- or 219,000 a year -- compared
> > to eight a day, or 3,000 in Europe. This startling fact, plus
> > the finding that 20 per cent more women worldwide than
> > previously thought, or 585,000, die each year of maternal
> > causes, are among the key issues addressed in UNICEF's
> > Progress of Nations 1996 report. In its fourth year of
> > publication, the report measures countries' progress on the
> > goals agreed to at the 1990 World Summit for Children.
> >
> > While the 1996 edition, in examining trends in maternal
> > mortality and morbidity, concentrates on women as women rather
> > than as protectors of children, it also points out that the
> > implications of these trends for children are significant.
> > About half of infant deaths occur in the first month of life,
> > most of those in the first week, while many lives could have
> > been saved by safe births and appropriate care in pregnancy
> > and childbirth. There is therefore "a considerable overlap"
> > between action needed to protect women and that needed to
> > protect newborns.
> >
> > Shrouded in "a conspiracy of silence," women's lack of access
> > to modern obstetric care has meant that over 140,000 pregnant
> > women worldwide die of haemorrhaging; about 75,000 die from
> > self-inflicted abortions; another 75,000 die in the
> > convulsions of eclampsia; 100,000 die of sepsis infections
> > from an unhealed uterus or retained placenta; and another
> > 40,000 die from obstructed labour. For every woman who dies,
> > an additional 30 incur hidden injuries, infections and
> > disabilities which often go untreated and cause lifelong,
> > debilitating pain.
> >
> > The Progress of Nations notes that little attention
> > traditionally has been given to maternal mortality and
> > morbidity because they are seen as a "women's problem" and
> > women are conditioned "not to complain, but to cope."
> > The powerlessness of poor women in many societies causes them
> > to suffer in silence rather than defy cultural norms and
> > traditions, some of which contribute to pregnancy's costly
> > toll.
> >
> > Calling maternal deaths both "a tragedy for individual
> > families" and "an indicator of the wider tragedy of neglect"
> > of women's lives and needs, UNICEF notes that beyond simply
> > improving health in developing countries via prevention and
> > awareness campaigns, priority must be placed on providing
> > every pregnant woman with access to modern obstetric care in
> > a health unit or hospital.
> >
> > While it is important to put resources into high-quality
> > family planning and prenatal care, proper training of birth
> > attendants, and the identification of high-risk pregnancies,
> > these measures alone will have little impact on the overall
> > death toll if modern care is not available on time to the 15
> > per cent of pregnancies that require it.
> >
> > UNICEF stresses that such care is affordable even in the
> > largest and poorest nations, which usually have health units
> > and district hospitals that, with minimum upgrading, can
> > provide needed obstetric care. Reducing maternal deaths and
> > injuries, the report says, is "therefore not a matter
> > of possibilities but of priorities." At the end of the 20th
> > century, the world is guilty of "a colossal failure of
> > imagination" if it fails to address this key health issue.
> >
> > [Note: Statistics from the Progress of Nations report are
> > available on the UNICEF web site at
> > http://www.unicef.org/pon96/leag1wom.htm]
> > ************************************************************
================================================================
-Moe
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:08:17 -0700
From: "Aaron Kofi Aboagye" <gt4392c@prism.gatech.edu>
To: "George Atubiga" <gaatub@planetx.bloomu.edu>,
"Mark Allen" <gt4722c@prism.gatech.edu>,
Subject: Fw: (Fwd) Read me: very important
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> To: okyeame@MIT.EDU
> Subject: (Fwd) Read me: very important
> Date: Friday, April 18, 1997 6:24 AM
>
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:12:59 CST
From: "Barry Omar" <OXB00272@STUDENT.ASTATE.EDU>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Act of GOD or saudi incompetence ????
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Hi you all Believers,
These past day it's been a very tragic moment for many
muslims especially for those who lost their lives in
HOLY place of MECCA and their families.My sympathy to all
of those people.What Iam about to say is not an opinion,
but a simple fact.We all muslims believed in the QU'RAN,
but most of us do not follow the QU'RAN.For example I quote
"HAJJ SHALL BE OBSERVED IN THE SPECIFIED MONTHS.
WHOEVER SETS OUT TO OBSERVED HAJJ SHALL ========
REFRAIN FROM SEXUAL INTERCOURSE, MIScellany, AND
ARGUMENTS THROUGHOUT HAJJ.WHATEVER GOOD YOU DO,
GOD IS FULLY AWARE THEREOF.AS YOU PREPARE YOUR
PROVISION FOR THE JOURNEY, THE PROVISION IS
RIGHTEOUSNESS.YOU SHALL OBSERVE ME,O YOU WHO
POSSESS INTElLIGENCE."
2:197 (AL-BAQARAH)
THE FOUR MONTHS OF HAJJ (ZUL-HIJJAH,MUHARRAM, SAFAR & RABI I)
SO MY QUESTION IS, IF ALL MUSLIM BELIEVES IN THE QU'RAN AND
THE QU'RAN STATED HAJJ CAN BE PERFORM IN SPECIFIED (MONTHS)
NOT MENTIONING TEN DAYS.ARE THESE MUSLIMS FOLLOWING THE -------
THE QU'RAN ??? .THE PROBLEM IS OVERCROWDING WHICH THE
SAUDI AUTHORITY DO NOT WANT TO ADDRESS,BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT
TO LOOSE THEIR ECONOMIC GAIN DURING HAJJ PERIOD.THE ONLY REASON
WHY SAUDI IS NOT RECEIVING BAD PRESS, IS BECAUSE MOST MUSLIMS
ARE FATALISTS WHO BELIEVED WHATEVER HAPPENED IS AN ACT OF GOD
AS WE CAN SEE SOME OF THE POSTING ON GAMBIA L.
MY QUESTION TO THE FATALISTS.
IF WHATEVER HAPPENED IS AN ACT OF GOD,SHOULD WE
ACCEPT THE SITUATION IN OUR COUNTRY TO BE
WHAT IT IS SINCE IT IS AN ACT OF GOD?
OBARRY
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:53:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: madiba saidy <msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: SUMMER-Africa/Brazil> ProjDIRs/Interns ('97 & '98) (fwd)
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Kind of late for this summer, but 1998 is just around the corner.
Good luck!
Prof. Mads.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>From iss@mail.regi.ubc.ca Wed Apr 16 12:53:06 1997
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:53:31 +0100
To: intl.services@ubc.ca
From: iss@mail.regi.ubc.ca (International Student Services)
Subject: SUMMER-Africa/Brazil> ProjDIRs/Interns ('97 & '98)
X-Status:
>>>JOB ANNOUNCEMENT : 25 Project Director Positions
>>>
>>>Crossroads is now winding down recruitment for the Summer 1997 Prog in
>>>Africa and Brazil, and is now accepting applications for the Summer 1998
>>>Program.
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>_____________________________________________________________________
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>Requisites to a Crossroads project or to development issues/concerns
>>>
>>> Professionals, faculty, staff, students, persons with
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>>>
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>>>
>>>Location: 18 Countries in Africa, plus Brazil
>>>
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>>>
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>>>Pay: plus you will receive an honorarium/stipend
>>>
>>>DEADLINE: Recruitment for the Summer 1997 Program is now winding down
>>> Applications for Summer 1998 are now being accepted
>>>
>>>Organization: Operation Crossroads-Africa & Brazil
>>> 475 Riverside Dr., Suite 1366
>>> NY, NY 10027
>>> A Non-Profit 501(C)(3) Organization
>>>
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>>> & in the Subject Field, type either:
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>>> Crossroads helps Volunteers/Interns raise needed funds;
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>>>
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>>> (here, find brochure, application, information, etc.,
>>> OBTAINABLE ALSO BY E-MAIL-see above)
>>>
>>>========================================================================
>>> P R O J E C T D I R E C T O R S / L E A D E R S
>>>========================================================================
>>>
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>>>a strong interest in Africa and in team work, pls contact the organization.
>>>
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>>>Forest) area in the Southern Cone of the State of Bahia. This is where
>>>local poor communities are struggling to gain access to land via
>>>articulated political effort.
>>>
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>>>region, where former landless peasants are striving to promote efforts
>>>to save the remnants of this unique patch of rich, bio-diverse forest, as
>>>well as to secure their access to land by changing the parameters of Land
>>>Tenure in that area.
>>>
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>>>the various projects they deem vital. These projects will deal with
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>>>Primary Care and Health, as well as Ecological issues.
>>>_________________________________________________________________________
>>>
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>>> Celebrating 40 yrs of service by 10,000 Volunteers
>>> A Non-Profit/Private 501(C)(3) Organization - Since 1957
>>>
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--
"I have been smoking for 40 years. It helps my music. Indian Hemp is not a
drug, it is grass".
Fela.
"You called Indian Hemp grass but isn't it animals that eat grass"
Maj. Gen. Musa Bamaiyi (Nigeria's DEA czar).
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:15:34 -0500
From: Tamsir Mbai <mba4224@etbu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: you are right, EDI!
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EDi, i think you are perfectly right in attributing the soon-to-be-normal
occurrence of casualties during the annual Hajj in Saudi Arabia to some kind
of NEGLIGENCE by the Saudi authorities. In recent years the magnitude and
number of casualties has been so grave and frequent that people ought to
reconsider (i don't mean boycotting the Hajj, 'cos that is a religious
obligation) and ask the appropriate questions about what could be done to
prevent future incidents as well as what could have been done to prevent
past accidents (if they were accidents at all). Personally, i suspect some
kind of sabotage. Otherwise why does it continue to occur during the Hajj
season?
Whatever the reason, i think the Saudis are using this religious
occasion to bolster their tourism revenue. There should be a cap on the
maximum number of people who should be granted visas to perform the Hajj,
based on the tensile strength of the bridges, and other media of
transportation within Saudi. It wouldn't make too much sense for 7 million
people to make the Hajj when accomodation can only be provided for 6
million. The point here is that the Saudis are driven by greed and not an
observance of religious belief.
Some may argue that my view on this is a little bit too radical, given
the fact that this is a requirement that every able muslim must do at least
once in their lifetime, and so the Saudis do not have a right to determine
who performs the Hajj and who doesn't. The fact of the matter though is that
God judges our responsibility. We cannot just continue doing things the old
fashioned way. Just like culture, i think religion is dynamic (subject to
change) as well. If the circumstances that led to the institutionalisation
of the belief has changed, the rules must also be changed to cater for the
present. What i mean is that when God gave this assignment to muslims, the
means of transportation were very remote and so the number of people who
could make the pilgrimage annually were very few because it took months, or
even years to get to Saudi, depending on ones place of residence. Since this
is no longer true, some checks and balances have to be put in place to
foster the safety of all the pilgrims.
Thanks everyone and goodluck.
It's Tamsir.
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 16:06:05 EDT
From: mamadi corra <MKCORRA@VM.SC.EDU>
To: gambia-l <GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: tobaski
Message-ID: <199704182056.NAA14051@mx3.u.washington.edu>
A Tobaski greetings to you all!!!
I hope all of you had a joyous tobaski. I pra
y that the rest of the year be prosperous for all of us. By the way, "Salibo"
to all; send me by salibo.
Peace
Mamadi
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 06:05:37 PDT
From: "Sirra Ndow" <sirra@hotmail.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Nigeria: The Ogoni Oppression Report (fwd)
Message-ID: <199704191305.GAA14947@f13.hotmail.com>
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>Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 01:06:29 -0400 (EDT)
>From: MJagana@aol.com
>To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Re: Nigeria: The Ogoni Oppression Report (fwd)
>
>
>Dear Gambia L,
>
>I have read through a lot of your comments about shell company and the
>nigerian saga. I very much understand that shell is out to maximise it's
>profits for it's shareholders.
>
>So the cheaper the production cost to them the better to shell. This is also
>supported by the fact the nigerian goverment does not have very strong or
>strict enviromental rules and regulations.
>
>This allows such comapanys in the oil industry to produce the oil as much as
>they want with no conssideration to the ecological surronding.
>
>However shell also drills oil in northern part of united kingdom. But they
>are oblige by law to invest a certain portion of thier profits to
>enviromental causes. This includes turning old oil fields into parks. And any
>tree that is killed requires shell to finance the planting of three young
>trees.
>
>When this matter was put to a shell manager in uk, his reply was that "SHELL
>FOLLOWS ALL REGULATIONS OF ANY COUNTRY THEY OPERATE IN"
>
>This may be that the nigerian govt, has let shell loose to what it wants with
>no consideration for the enviroment.
>
>We can all blame shell, but we should also understand that shell is not the
>lesgislator in nigeria. And if those CORRUPT POLITICIANS STACK THIER BANK
>ACCOUNTS WITH KICKBACKS FROM SHELL, SHELL WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN NIGERIA
>AS FAR AS THE GOVT KEEPS A BLIND EYE ON SHELL PRODUCTION POLICIES.
>
>
>So the nigerian govt should take most of the blame about shellgate.
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>---------------------------------------------
>" IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL TO AVIOD REGULATIONS, BUT IT IS TOTALLY ILLEGAL TO
>EVADE REGULATIONS"
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>
>M0MODOU JAGANA
>MJagana@aol.com
It is true that the Nigerian Government sholud carry most of the blame for the
Ogoni problem and others like that, at least in my opinion but it is also
important to note that Shell does not have a good track record in these matter
as well, whether in Africa or the rest of the world. In fact, at their Annual
General Meeting next month, some of it's shareholders intent to put this matter
forward. They want Shell to be more committed to these issues than they are
but unfortunately, this group is a minority and Shell (the Exceutive) does not
wish to go that way, at least not yet.
Sirra Ndow
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 12:53:45 -0700
From: msarr@sprynet.com
To: GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: MUSA NGUM IN A PLAY-BACK SESSION
Message-ID: <199704191953.MAA01155@m7.sprynet.com>
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THIS IS KIND OF A LATE NOTICE
TO ALL THOSE IN THE WASHINGTON METRO AREA, MUSA NGUM IS HAVING A PLAY-BACK
SESSION AT THE SLIGO-DENNIS COMMUNITY CENTER 10200 SLIGO CREEK PARKWAY, TODAY,
19 APRIL AT 6:00PM TO 11:00 PM. PLEASE COME AND SUPPORT YOUR SENEGAMBIAN
BROTHER. DONATIONS ARE $10:00
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:27:55 -0400
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: MUSA NGUM IN A PLAY-BACK SESSION
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Do you know if Musa Ngum will be in the New York City area anytime soon?
Lat
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:50:37 -0700
From: msarr@sprynet.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: MUSA NGUM IN A PLAY-BACK SESSION
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Yes, Latir. He will head back to New York either tomorrow or Monday. He will
be in the Washington area, again, in May for the ALD celebrations.
soffie
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:58:01 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ousman G." <gajigoo@wabash.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: MUSA NGUM IN A PLAY-BACK SESSION
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Soffie,
Do you know when exactly in May will he back in the Washington area?
Thanks,
Ousman
> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:50:37 -0700
> From: msarr@sprynet.com
> Subject: Re: MUSA NGUM IN A PLAY-BACK SESSION
> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List"
> <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Reply-to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
> Yes, Latir. He will head back to New York either tomorrow or Monday. He will
> be in the Washington area, again, in May for the ALD celebrations.
>
> soffie
>
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Morris Hall 107
Crawfordsville, IN 47933
(phone): 765 361 7096
Fax: 765 361 6295
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 14:58:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ylva Hernlund <yher@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Utah NOW's 1997 keynote speaker--a polygamist wife! (fwd)
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I thought this might interest some of you, in light of the recent
discussion about polygamy.....Ylva
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 12:44:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Thomas Murphy <twmurphy@u.washington.edu>
To: Anthropology Department <anthro@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Utah NOW's 1997 keynote speaker--a polygamist wife! (fwd)
http://www.sltrib.com/041997/nation_w/12109.htm
NOW Guest Calls Polygamy Ultimate Feminist Lifestyle
BY PATTY HENETZ
THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE
=A0=A0=A0
=A0=A0=A0 In the 26 years since the Utah chapter of the National Organizati=
on
for Women was organized, the group has been ever ready to rumble on
women's rights and roles in a male-dominated society.
=A0=A0=A0 At this year's NOW conference May 3 in Salt Lake City, the keynot=
e
speaker will be a polygamist's wife: Elizabeth Joseph, one of eight
women married to preeminent Utah patriarch Alex Joseph.
=A0=A0=A0 What hath NOW wrought?
=A0=A0=A0 ''Familial units are evolving. We like to have open minds,'' says
NOW chapter spokeswoman Anna Maria Straight. ''We want to do away with=20
stereotypes. Here's a woman who is outside the circle of discussion.
Let's bring her in.''
=A0=A0=A0 Elizabeth Joseph says her 23-year marriage embodies the ultimate
feminist lifestyle. ''People say to me, 'You have one-eighth of a
husband.' I say, 'No, I have eight times the husband.' He learns from
all of us.''
=A0=A0=A0 The Josephs, whose marriages are private contracts, long have bee=
n
objects of curiosity as they have practiced their own brand of
polygamous politics from their southern Utah desert enclave in Big
Water, an hour east of Kanab. The family makes up about 10 percent of
the town's population. Alex Joseph has served as mayor; Elizabeth and
Delinda Joseph have worked for the town. Besides the eight wives still=20
living with him, Alex had a dozen other brief marriages and one that
ended in divorce after 20 years. He has 21 children and 27
grandchildren.
=A0=A0=A0 Polygamy Lives On: Like it or not, polygamy has delineated Utah
history. The Mormon Church custom was an affront to 19th-century
Americans, who withheld statehood until the doctrine was dumped. But
though the church ban happened more than a century ago, jokes about Utah=20
with polygamist punch lines -- and the practice itself -- live on,
titillating Puritan sensibilities. One man and all those women? Hoo,
boy.
=A0=A0=A0 On the other hand, those eight Joseph women effectively have=20
rendered seven men superfluous, underscoring how few men are necessary=20
to perpetuate the species. Now that is a feminist challenge to
patriarchy.
=A0=A0=A0 ''Men who are afraid of women could never make it in our
lifestyle,'' Elizabeth Joseph says. ''Alex is just a fan of women.''
=A0=A0=A0 Though she no longer practices law, Elizabeth Joseph's involvemen=
t
in divorce cases showed her how the pressures of monogamy flattened many=20
marriages. People who loved each other and otherwise were compatible
killed their affection with quarrels or affairs. In their marriage,
Joseph says, ''Alex might bring home the 25-year-old secretary. But he's=20
not cleaning out his closet.''
=A0=A0=A0 She figures that 80 percent of her time with her husband is share=
d
with at least one other person -- ''We have more fun in a group,'' --
and she shares a house not with her husband, but with one of the other=20
wives. ''Any kind of roommate situation can drive you nuts,'' Joseph
says. ''It's nice to have a relationship where you're not compromising=20
over toothpaste caps and toilet lids.''
=A0=A0=A0 And if you want more evidence of how polygamy works for women, ch=
eck
out women's magazines, she says.
=A0=A0=A0 ''They all are about juggling family and career. I've met women w=
ho
have decided they are going to the top in their career and decided not=20
to have families and resented the heck out of a system that made them
make that choice,'' Joseph says. ''In my family, we share
responsibilities and have more freedom. My daughter's day care is at
home.''
=A0=A0=A0 And while she has to make lunch dates weeks in advance with her
monogamous friends, her ''seven friends at home are immediately
available,'' she says.
=A0=A0=A0 ''We're really a support group to one another in every facet of o=
ur
lives, particularly in our marriages.''
=A0=A0=A0 The NOW conference will be May 3 from 9:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. at
Westminster College. The fee is $30, or attendees may pay on a sliding=20
scale.
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:34:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
Message-ID: <970419223414_1455151944@emout19.mail.aol.com>
Mr. Betts wrote about Gambian lawyers' fear of marabouts etc. I think that
aside from this, there is also the fact that a Gambian magistrate would
probably be subject to a lot of finger pointing if they preside over a case
and "God forbid" send someone's son or daughter to prison. The nature of
our society is such that some of the people would find it hard to view
such situations objectively and just accept that one is merely doing one's
job. This is unfortunately true of our society.
Jabou.
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:01:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: observer editorial-justice delayed is justice denied
Message-ID: <970419230128_-1200106399@emout07.mail.aol.com>
Hi everyone,
I hope l am not stepping on any toes here, but l'd like to address something
l've been observing. It seems that people tend to get rather emotional and
in some cases even downright belligerant in responding to comments etc
concerning the various topics debated on this Gambia-L. Correct me if l am
wrong, but l am under the impression that this is a forum for us to keep in
touch as well as engage in intelligent discussion, where everyone is
entitled to give their opinion. Surely , one can disagree with a statement
without putting the writer of such statement down.Let us debate with
intelligent words and a lot of respect for one another. When we disagree, let
us respond in such a way as to gently pass on some new insight that the
person we are responding to may have overlooked or didn't know. In this
manner, we will all continue to learn from one another.
Jabou.
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:18:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gunjur@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Farakhan...
Message-ID: <970419231853_-865717392@emout18.mail.aol.com>
wassalaam.
Jabou
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