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GAMBIA-L Digest 60
Topics covered in this issue include:
1)
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
2) (PART2) CIRCUMCISION REVISITED
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
3) (PART2) CIRCUMCISION REVISITED
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
4) Re: Observer Online
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
5) Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT
by Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
6) Fwd: Hillary Clinton Arrives In Dakar
by "Matarr M. Jeng." <mmjeng@image.dk>
7) New member
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
8) Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
by Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU>
9) Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
by "Inqs." <nfaal@is2.dal.ca>
10) New member
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
11) Re: New member
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
12) Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
13)
by "Matarr M. Jeng." <mmjeng@image.dk>
14) Re:Self Introduction To Gambia-1 Members
by gndow@spelman.edu (Gabriel Ndow)
15) More on Sissoko
by ASJanneh@aol.com
16) A plea for The Observer Online.
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
17) Fwd: African millionaire in DC
by SBarry1035@aol.com
18) Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
19) Introduction
by " alieu bah" <alieu@hotmail.com>
20) New member
by Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
21) Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
22) Re: A plea for The Observer Online.
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
23) Proposal/food for thought
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
24) Re: A plea for The Observer Online.
by "Heidi Skramstad" <heidis@amadeus.cmi.no>
25) Re: How Ignorant people can be!!! (fwd)
by "BALA SAHO" <B.S.Saho@sussex.ac.uk>
26) The Observer online
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
27) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
28) Re: Fwd: African millionaire in DC
by Ylva Hernlund <yher@u.washington.edu>
29) Re: A plea for The Observer Online.
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
30) SV: A plea for The Observer Online.
by "Matarr M. Jeng." <mmjeng@image.dk>
31) Re: A plea for The Observer Online.
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
32) (Part3) CIRCUMCISION REVISITED - BLACK COSMOGONY
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
33) Re: Fwd: African millionaire in DC
by "William O'Donnell" <billod@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
34) Re: A plea for The Observer Online. -Reply
by Ndey Drammeh <NDRAMME@wpo.it.luc.edu>
35) Re: A plea for The Observer Online.
by "PA-MAMBUNA O. BOJANG" <paomar@iglou.com>
36) "Daily Observer" matters
by ASJanneh@aol.com
37) UDP Press Release on Attacks on it's Supporters
by mdarbo@intrepid.net (Yama Darboe)
38) UDP Press Release on the Vice-Presidency Issue
by mdarbo@intrepid.net (Yama Darboe)
39) Re: Fwd: African millionaire in DC
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
40) RE:PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT
by Olafiaklinikken Olafia <olafia@online.no>
41) Re: Fwd: African millionaire in DC
by Ylva Hernlund <yher@u.washington.edu>
42) The Observer Online: Additional Survey Questions & Some Comments
by Francis Njie <francis_njie@il.us.swissbank.com>
43) Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
by Alias431@aol.com
44) RE: The Observer Online: Additional Survey Questions & Some Comments
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
45) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
46) Senegalese students clash with police (fwd)
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
47) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
48) Re: The Observer Online Survey
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
49) Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
by Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU>
50) Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
51) Re: New Memeber
by J GAYE <J.Gaye@Bradford.ac.uk>
52) WHY WE SHOULD TAKE IT ONE STEP AT A TIME
by "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
53) THE SECRET OF LIVING
by "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
54) Hello
by KeurSamba@aol.com
55) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
56) Re: Hello
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
57) New Member
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
58) AN OBSERVER COMMITTEE MEMBER'S RESPONSE TO MUSA SOWE
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
59) Re: Fwd: Kabul enters dark age as windows are
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
60) Re: AN OBSERVER COMMITTEE MEMBER'S RESPONSE TO MUSA SOWE
by "Numukunda Darboe" <ndarboe@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
61) Observer sub.
by Raye Sosseh <gt8065b@prism.gatech.edu>
62) Brief Internet overview
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
63) Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT
by Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
64) News story
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
65) Swiss deputies move to freeze Mobutu billions of $$$$
by "Dr. S. G. Kamara" <73244.2701@CompuServe.COM>
66) UNICEF Executive Director Applauds....
by "Dr. S. G. Kamara" <73244.2701@CompuServe.COM>
67) Alghali Commission Submits Report
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
68) Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT
by Ylva Hernlund <yher@u.washington.edu>
69) Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT
by Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU>
70) (Fwd) Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
71) Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT
by Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU>
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 14:48:45 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: "GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU" <GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
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MR.JAWARA & MIS E.JANNEH!!
<BR>
<BR>Now we are entering Barbarian Territory ! But before we can put under the
<BR>microscope that black practice that both of you characterized as
<BR>BARBARIC,we need to check with the non-barbarian races and see how civilized
<BR>their anchors and compasses are.It is only then that we would be able to
<BR>see to what degree Africans are barbaric.So,we will
<BR>take Western Culture,reputedly,the most civilized,the most rational,the
<BR>most scientific and the most modern of them all.We will use the word COSMOGONY
<BR>here.It means that body of facts, fictions,
<BR>theories,and myths that explains to any given people their origin and their
<BR>objectives in life, as explained above.And the structure and the form that
<BR>the culture of any given people would take would be determined to a large
<BR>extent by their cosmogony.So, the Cosmogony of Western Culture is as follows:
<BR>The Supreme God is a Male.So when he finished creating Heaven and Earth,he
<BR>decided that he would create a creature in his own image,so he created
<BR>a male human being and named him ADAM.But somehow he,as an afterthought
,realised
<BR>that,without a company,this creature would be lonely and miserable,so he
<BR>got him a company.He did that by taking Adam's RIB and turning it into
<BR>another human being,and named that human being EVE.After that,he sent the
<BR>couple to a Garden called EDEN that was supposed to be their permanent
lodging
<BR>place.Everything that they could ever have wanted was there.There was no
<BR>desease,old age or death.There was one catch though.Everything was free
<BR>for the taking of the couple except one thing: the Fruit Of Knowledge .That
<BR>was the prerogative of the Supreme himself.They must never touch that.But
<BR>,somehow,the prospect of knowing what the
<BR>Supreme himself knows was too tantalizing for Eve to pass up.So,she ,somehow,one
<BR>way or the other,was able to persuade Adam to overcome his reluctance to
<BR>Cross the Line.Of course,the Supreme's reaction was swift and merciless.They
<BR>were immediately expelled from the Eternal Garden and from that day on,they
<BR>would have to work,sweat,get old,get desease,struggle,die and be judged
<BR>by the Supreme on the day of judgement.No more free food and no more immortality.The
<BR>party was effectively over.Now,what can we make of this story? We have
already said that a
<BR>culture
<BR>is determined to a large extent by the story of the origin of a given people.In
<BR>the Sub-Conscious of the Western person, God,the creator is a Male and
the
<BR>first human being he created was a male(Patriarchy),the second person,Eve,was
<BR>not on the original list of the things that were supposed to be created,but
<BR>was created only because Adam,who was supposed to be created needed company(Sexism).Eve
<BR>was not even created with the primary material,the black soil,that Adam
<BR>was created with,but with a minute part of Adam's body(Inequality).Eve
<BR>is made responsible for the expulsion from Paradise :Misogyny(hatred of
women).
<BR>Now,the picture is pretty clear.As far as Western culture is concerned,
the struggle of mankind is a
<BR>struggle to get back to the free-food status that was prevalent in the
Garden of Eden; and that can be
<BR>done only by not repeating
<BR>the very mistake that led to the violent disruption of such a status in
the first place.Of course,many
<BR>other factors have played a part in Western culture and thinking since
then,but,with this story,you can
<BR>do pretty well at understanding
<BR>the contradictions inherent in Western Culture and the kind of rhetoric
used to deal with those
<BR>contradictions.
<BR>And we will see later that because of the violent intrusion of Western
Culture that resulted from
<BR>Colonialism and Imperialism
<BR>both those contradictions and the rhetoric that accompany them have been
artificially implanted into
<BR>many other cultures where they still have no real place ;and ours is one
of them.
<BR>
<BR>Inspite of the hype of a democratic and egalitarian culture,Western Culture
is still pretty much what
<BR>it has always been:
<BR>a patriarchal,masculine,sexist and a misogynistic culutre. In it,this world
is really a world of men and
<BR>the role of women is basically to provide support and comfort for the men
in their struggle to secure
<BR>the kind of material comfort that can approximate the one
<BR> lost in the Garden of Eden.We have seen countless of time in the
Hollywood Movies that whenever
<BR>a Western Man has a pretty
<BR> dumb blonde on his side that would provide sex, comfort and support
and would do what she is
<BR>told without asking
<BR>a lot of questions, there is practically nothing that that man cannot accomplish,
and sometimes even
<BR>the laws of physics
<BR>cannot stand in his way when he wants to accomplish something.But the problem
is that not all the
<BR>pretty blondes are dumb.Once in a while,quite naturally,a blonde would
show up who would want to
<BR>question the wisdom of some the things
<BR>you want to accomplish.Now that is trouble! Hillary Rodham Clinton is a
case in point.When she
<BR>started to not only
<BR>ask questions but also give answers to problems posed by America's shameful
unwillingness to
<BR>guarantee Health Insuranse for all
<BR>its citizens,she was soon scandalously shouted down.And as all of us now
know,she is now playing
<BR>the role of the devastatingly cute and meek blonde one step behind the
principal actor of the
<BR>film,Bill.Anybody familiar with the politics of Gender War,family,Sex and
Sexuality in America would
<BR>know the earth-shaking emancipatory potential of a permanently free health
insurance policy for
<BR>every woman and child in America.That surely can't be good for the power
structure of patriarchy
<BR>and the Ego of the men who control America!!
<BR>
<BR>NEXT TIME,WE WILL LOOK AT THE Cosmogony OF THE BLACK PEOPLE.
<BR>
<BR>
REGARDS BASSSS!!
<BR>
<BR>--
<BR>SZDDˆð'3Af¨
<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 15:13:18 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: "GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU" <GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: (PART2) CIRCUMCISION REVISITED
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<BR>MR.JAWARA & MIS E.JANNEH!!
<BR>
<BR>Now we are entering Barbarian Territory ! But before we can put under the
<BR>microscope that black practice that both of you characterized as
<BR>BARBARIC,we need to check with the non-barbarian races and see how civilized
<BR>their anchors and compasses are.It is only then that we would be able to
<BR>see to what degree Africans are barbaric.So,we will
<BR>take Western Culture,reputedly,the most civilized,the most rational,the
<BR>most scientific and the most modern of them all.We will use the word COSMOGONY
<BR>here.It means that body of facts, fictions,
<BR>theories,and myths that explains to any given people their origin and their
<BR>objectives in life, as explained above.And the structure and the form that
<BR>the culture of any given people would take would be determined to a large
<BR>extent by their cosmogony.So, the Cosmogony of Western Culture is as follows:
<BR>The Supreme God is a Male.So when he finished creating Heaven and Earth,he
<BR>decided that he would create a creature in his own image,so he created
<BR>a male human being and named him ADAM.But somehow he,as an afterthought
,realised
<BR>that,without a company,this creature would be lonely and miserable,so he
<BR>got him a company.He did that by taking Adam's RIB and turning it into
<BR>another human being,and named that human being EVE.After that,he sent the
<BR>couple to a Garden called EDEN that was supposed to be their permanent
lodging
<BR>place.Everything that they could ever have wanted was there.There was no
<BR>desease,old age or death.There was one catch though.Everything was free
<BR>for the taking of the couple except one thing: the Fruit Of Knowledge .That
<BR>was the prerogative of the Supreme himself.They must never touch that.But
<BR>,somehow,the prospect of knowing what the
<BR>Supreme himself knows was too tantalizing for Eve to pass up.So,she ,somehow,one
<BR>way or the other,was able to persuade Adam to overcome his reluctance to
<BR>Cross the Line.Of course,the Supreme's reaction was swift and merciless.They
<BR>were immediately expelled from the Eternal Garden and from that day on,they
<BR>would have to work,sweat,get old,get desease,struggle,die and be judged
<BR>by the Supreme on the day of judgement.No more free food and no more immortality.The
<BR>party was effectively over.Now,what can we make of this story? We have
already said that a
<BR>culture
<BR>is determined to a large extent by the story of the origin of a given people.In
<BR>the Sub-Conscious of the Western person, God,the creator is a Male and
the
<BR>first human being he created was a male(Patriarchy),the second person,Eve,was
<BR>not on the original list of the things that were supposed to be created,but
<BR>was created only because Adam,who was supposed to be created needed company(Sexism).Eve
<BR>was not even created with the primary material,the black soil,that Adam
<BR>was created with,but with a minute part of Adam's body(Inequality).Eve
<BR>is made responsible for the expulsion from Paradise :Misogyny(hatred of
women).
<BR>Now,the picture is pretty clear.As far as Western culture is concerned,
the struggle of mankind is a
<BR>struggle to get back to the free-food status that was prevalent in the
Garden of Eden; and that can be
<BR>done only by not repeating
<BR>the very mistake that led to the violent disruption of such a status in
the first place.Of course,many
<BR>other factors have played a part in Western culture and thinking since
then,but,with this story,you can
<BR>do pretty well at understanding
<BR>the contradictions inherent in Western Culture and the kind of rhetoric
used to deal with those
<BR>contradictions.
<BR>And we will see later that because of the violent intrusion of Western
Culture that resulted from
<BR>Colonialism and Imperialism
<BR>both those contradictions and the rhetoric that accompany them have been
artificially implanted into
<BR>many other cultures where they still have no real place ;and ours is one
of them.
<BR>
<BR>Inspite of the hype of a democratic and egalitarian culture,Western Culture
is still pretty much what
<BR>it has always been:
<BR>a patriarchal,masculine,sexist and a misogynistic culutre. In it,this world
is really a world of men and
<BR>the role of women is basically to provide support and comfort for the men
in their struggle to secure
<BR>the kind of material comfort that can approximate the one
<BR> lost in the Garden of Eden.We have seen countless of time in the
Hollywood Movies that whenever
<BR>a Western Man has a pretty
<BR> dumb blonde on his side that would provide sex, comfort and support
and would do what she is
<BR>told without asking
<BR>a lot of questions, there is practically nothing that that man cannot accomplish,
and sometimes even
<BR>the laws of physics
<BR>cannot stand in his way when he wants to accomplish something.But the problem
is that not all the
<BR>pretty blondes are dumb.Once in a while,quite naturally,a blonde would
show up who would want to
<BR>question the wisdom of some the things
<BR>you want to accomplish.Now that is trouble! Hillary Rodham Clinton is a
case in point.When she
<BR>started to not only
<BR>ask questions but also give answers to problems posed by America's shameful
unwillingness to
<BR>guarantee Health Insuranse for all
<BR>its citizens,she was soon scandalously shouted down.And as all of us now
know,she is now playing
<BR>the role of the devastatingly cute and meek blonde one step behind the
principal actor of the
<BR>film,Bill.Anybody familiar with the politics of Gender War,family,Sex and
Sexuality in America would
<BR>know the earth-shaking emancipatory potential of a permanently free health
insurance policy for
<BR>every woman and child in America.That surely can't be good for the power
structure of patriarchy
<BR>and the Ego of the men who control America!!
<BR>
<BR>NEXT TIME,WE WILL LOOK AT THE Cosmogony OF THE BLACK PEOPLE.
<BR>
<BR>
REGARDS BASSSS!!
<BR>
<BR>--
<BR>SZDDˆð'3Af¨
<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 19:53:03 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: "GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU" <GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: (PART2) CIRCUMCISION REVISITED
Message-ID: <314AF1EE.6EDB@QATAR.NET.QA>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
MR.JAWARA & MIS E.JANNEH!!
Now we are entering Barbarian Territory ! But before we can put under
the
microscope that black practice that both of you characterized as
BARBARIC,we need to check with the non-barbarian races and see how
civilized
their anchors and compasses are.It is only then that we would be able
to
see to what degree Africans are barbaric.So,we will
take Western Culture,reputedly,the most civilized,the most
rational,the
most scientific and the most modern of them all.We will use the word
COSMOGONY
here.It means that body of facts, fictions,
theories,and myths that explains to any given people their origin and
their
objectives in life, as explained above.And the structure and the form
that
the culture of any given people would take would be determined to a
large
extent by their cosmogony.So, the Cosmogony of Western Culture is as
follows:
The Supreme God is a Male.So when he finished creating Heaven and
Earth,he
decided that he would create a creature in his own image,so he created
a male human being and named him ADAM.But somehow he,as an afterthought
,realised
that,without a company,this creature would be lonely and miserable,so
he
got him a company.He did that by taking Adam's RIB and turning it into
another human being,and named that human being EVE.After that,he sent
the
couple to a Garden called EDEN that was supposed to be their permanent
lodging
place.Everything that they could ever have wanted was there.There was
no
desease,old age or death.There was one catch though.Everything was
free
for the taking of the couple except one thing: the Fruit Of Knowledge
..That
was the prerogative of the Supreme himself.They must never touch
that.But
,somehow,the prospect of knowing what the
Supreme himself knows was too tantalizing for Eve to pass up.So,she
,somehow,one
way or the other,was able to persuade Adam to overcome his reluctance
to
Cross the Line.Of course,the Supreme's reaction was swift and
merciless.They
were immediately expelled from the Eternal Garden and from that day
on,they
would have to work,sweat,get old,get desease,struggle,die and be
judged
by the Supreme on the day of judgement.No more free food and no more
immortality.The
party was effectively over.Now,what can we make of this story? We have
already said that a culture is determined to a large extent by the story
of the origin of a given people.In the Sub-Conscious of the Western
person, God,the creator is a Male and the
first human being he created was a male(Patriarchy),the second
person,Eve,was
not on the original list of the things that were supposed to be
created,but
was created only because Adam,who was supposed to be created needed
company(Sexism).Eve
was not even created with the primary material,the black soil,that
Adam
was created with,but with a minute part of Adam's body(Inequality).Eve
is made responsible for the expulsion from Paradise :Misogyny(hatred of
women).
Now,the picture is pretty clear.As far as Western culture is concerned,
the struggle of mankind is a
struggle to get back to the free-food status that was prevalent in the
Garden of Eden; and that can be done only by not repeating
the very mistake that led to the violent disruption of such a status in
the first place.Of course,many
other factors have played a part in Western culture and thinking since
then,but,with this story,you can do pretty well at understanding
the contradictions inherent in Western Culture and the kind of rhetoric
used to deal with those
contradictions.
And we will see later that because of the violent intrusion of Western
Culture that resulted from
Colonialism and Imperialism
both those contradictions and the rhetoric that accompany them have been
artificially implanted into
many other cultures where they still have no real place ;and ours is one
of them.
Inspite of the hype of a democratic and egalitarian culture,Western
Culture is still pretty much what
it has always been:
a patriarchal,masculine,sexist and a misogynistic culutre. In it,this
world is really a world of men and
the role of women is basically to provide support and comfort for the
men in their struggle to secure
the kind of material comfort that can approximate the one
lost in the Garden of Eden.We have seen countless of time in the
Hollywood Movies that whenever
a Western Man has a pretty
dumb blonde on his side that would provide sex, comfort and support and
would do what she is
told without asking
a lot of questions, there is practically nothing that that man cannot
accomplish, and sometimes even
the laws of physics
cannot stand in his way when he wants to accomplish something.But the
problem is that not all the
pretty blondes are dumb.Once in a while,quite naturally,a blonde would
show up who would want to question the wisdom of some the things
you want to accomplish.Now that is trouble! Hillary Rodham Clinton is a
case in point.When she
started to not only
ask questions but also give answers to problems posed by America's
shameful unwillingness to
guarantee Health Insuranse for all
its citizens,she was soon scandalously shouted down.And as all of us now
know,she is now playing the role of the devastatingly cute and meek
blonde one step behind the principal actor of the film,Bill.Anybody
familiar with the politics of Gender War,family,Sex and Sexuality in
America would know the earth-shaking emancipatory potential of a
permanently free health insurance policy for
every woman and child in America.That surely can't be good for the power
structure of patriarchy and the Ego of the men who control America!!
NEXT TIME,WE WILL LOOK AT THE Cosmogony OF THE BLACK PEOPLE.
REGARDS BASSSS!!
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SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 09:21:54 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>,
"GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU" <GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Observer Online
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ABDOU wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
> On the issue of possibly imposing a list-wide fee, I think that
> would be unwelcome by UW if someone were to complain that s/he was being
> forced to pay for list services that are supposed to be free.
> On teaming up with another paper, the problem there seems to be
> that The Point and Foroyaa do not have the technical resources that The
> Observer has. So putting them online would require greater efforts on our
> part. If people feel that we should still explore this avenue, I will
> support the consensus.
> Kenneth Best is listed as a fellow at the Freedon Media Forum at
> Columbia. I will try and see if I can get hold of him. I will get back
> to you about any talks I have with him.
> Thanks and bye for now,
> -Abdou.
>
> *******************************************************************************
> A.TOURAY
> Computer Science
> Columbia University
> New York, NY 10027
>
> MY URL ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
>
> A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
> SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
> I WANDER AND I WONDER.
> ALAS, ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
> *******************************************************************************
ABDOU!!
I CAN NOW SEE THAT ITS NOT SUCH A GOOD IDEA TO IMPOSE A LIST-WIDE
FEE.BUT I STILL CANNOT RECONCILE THE LIST'S STRONG RHETORIC
IN FAVOR OF PHILANTROPIC WORK IN THE GAMBIA AND ITS ALMOST TOTAL
UNWILLINGNESS TO PAY FOR IT.
REGARDS BASSSS!!
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 17:08:50 +0100
From: Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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Hi Musa and others,
concerning selection of the school: there are needy students through all
levels of education. Illiteracy is still immense - this would speak for
support of a primary school. Most students drop out of the educational
system in secondary, as far as I know - which would indicate that here
is another crucial point for our contributions. Last but not least,
there are not enough high schools, they are concentrated in the urban
areas respectively, which would draw our attention to higher education
in the rural areas.
As I'm not clear on this point, I would like to discuss the selection of
a school, before we start acting. Musa, it sounds like you intend to
support Gambia College. I have no problem with the one time action, you
proposed - I'll start putting things together. But I would like to
ensure maximum benefit of our support for single students, the school as
well as the area where it is located and it should therefore be
carefully chosen. What do others think about it?
Concerning transport I would propose for our one-time-action to rely on
Gambians who are going home or other people going there. I know someone
who is going end of April, another mid June ...
I think it was Omar S. Saho who was negotiating transport of medical
materials with Sabena. Please tell us more! Are they willing to allow
special conditions for purposes like ours?
Andrea
Musa Sowe wrote:
>
> ANDREA; I ALSO HAVE SOME BOOKS THAT I AM CATALOGING FOR THE PURPOSE OF
> DONATIONS. WHY NOT YOU AND I START THE PROCESS. YOU PUT TOGETHER WHAT
> MATERIALS YOU CAN. 1 WILL SEND MY LIST TO THE HEAD OF GAMBIA COLLEGE FOR
> THEM TO SELECT WHICH OF THE BOOKS THEY WILL NEED SINCE I WILL NOT WANT TO
> IMPOSE ON THEM ANY MATERIAL THAT THEY WILL NOT BE INTERESTED IN. AS SOON
> AS I RECEIVE THE LIST BACK YOU AND I CAN PUT HEADS TOGETHER TO SEE WHAT
> WOULD BE THE CHEAPEST WAY TO SHIP WHAT YOU'VE GOT AND WHAT I'VE GOT.
> WE CAN SEND THIS AS A ONE TIME DONATION WHILE THE COMMITTEE IS
> WORKING ON A DRAFT PROPOSAL FOR COLLECTIVE ACTION. IN THE MEAN TIME YOU
> AND I CAN TEST THE WATERS WITH THIS ONE TIME DONATION AND MAYBE WE WILL
> LEARN SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR DRAFTING THE PROPOSAL. WHAT DO
> YOU THINK? ANYONE ELSE HAS IDEAS, ESPECIALLY ON THE SHIPPING PART.
>
> HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU SOON , THANKYOU..............MUSA
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 17:10:21 +-100
From: "Matarr M. Jeng." <mmjeng@image.dk>
To: "'The Gambia And Related Issues Mailing List.'"
<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Fwd: Hillary Clinton Arrives In Dakar
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Hillary Clinton Arrives In Dakar=20
Mar. 17, 1997
DAKAR, Senegal (PANA) - Hillary Clinton, the wife of the United States =
president, arrived in Dakar, Senegal, Monday, on the first leg of a =
six-nation African tour to promote democracy and civil society.=20
She was initially due to arrive Saturday but was delayed by the brief =
hospitalisation of President Bill Clinton, who underwent knee surgery.=20
Hillary Clinton is accompanied by ranking U.S. officials, and by =
daughter Chelsea, 17. One U.S. official in her delagation is George =
Moose, former U.S. ambassador to Senegal and now the deputy secretary of =
state for African affairs at the Department of State.=20
In a statement to the media, Clinton said she was determined to =
strengthen the already good relations between Dakar and Washington.=20
My visit to the village of Saam Ndaay and the United States Peace Peace =
Corps Training Centre will give me the opportunity to see how to work, =
hand in hand, towards the development of relations between the two =
countries, she said.=20
The former slave island of Goree, some three kilometres from Dakar, in =
the Atlantic Ocean, was, she said, a symbol of the historical relations =
between our two nations.=20
It was also, she said, reminiscent of the horrendous memories of slavery =
but constitutes at the same time a testimony of the force of human =
spirit.=20
She added: The United States of America has benefited from the genius of =
men coming from the African continent .=20
She said Senegal had maintained a strong and vibrant democratic =
tradition and had been active in peacekeeping and conflict settlement =
operations around the world.=20
Clinton is scheduled to meet Senegalese President Abdou Diouf today and =
later visit Goree island, where she will be shown the women's museum and =
the house of slaves.=20
She will also visit in the Peace Corps training facility Saam Ndaay, in =
the Region of Thies, 80 East of Dakar. Then, she will tour U.S. =
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:36:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
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Gambia-l:
Omar FW Touray (Gunjur or Sweden) has now joined our Bantaba. He is now
based in The Gambia and we expect a formal introduction from him soon.
Peace!
Amadou Scattred Janneh
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:52:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
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Hellow everyone: After several attempts I was able to get through to
Gambia College and have been in contact with Dr. Bojang, the
Vice-Principal (The principal was not in) The feedback I got is as
follows:
1. No. of students = 1000
Total recent graduation (couple of weeks ago) = 552
out of this total, 3/4 are in Education
2. Gambia College has a small library. Some of the units within the
college have no library or have only a rudimentary library.
3. The college provides faculty and students with supplies such as pens,
pencils, notebooks etc (when they are avilable).
4. Some of the discipline areas that need urgent help:
.....Early Childhood education (a program recently started) has no text
books at all.
....Psychology, Education, Environmental Science, Literature, Physical
sciences, Special Education, computer science all urgently need textbooks
and reference material. According to Dr. Bojang students are constantly
complaining about the lack of reference material in the different areas of
study.
5. The college has 4 IBM compatible computers but cannot put them to full
use because of lack of the appropriate software or relevant literature.
6 When I spoke with Dr. Bojang he was just arriving from Banjul to look
for CARD BOARD which he needed as part of a mini- experiment for his
class.
He did not find what he needed so he had to improvise.
6. The college has also started to train teachers for Islamic studies.
Plans are currently underway to develop Gambia College along with UTI and
MDI into a university which will offer degree programs in Education,
Agriculture, Nursing, Community Health and other technical areas.
The Chairman over the college has given directives for the college to
actively pursue collaborative efforts that will help it deal with all the
various areas of challenge. So my call came at a very appropiate time.
Dr. Bojang suggests that I speak with the the chairman as well. I plan to
do that. He will send me the college's comprehensive plan,curriculum and
the country's overall educational strategy and other relevant information.
I mentioned to him our preliminary discussion on this net and my
discussion with other individuals who are not currently on this net. I
made it clear to him that I do not know if anything will come out of these
preliminary discussions and how far they will go. Or, that if anything
comes out of them what the direction will be. Therefore, all I can do is
to commit myself as an individual at this time.
I will be sending Dr. Bojang a list of textbooks this friday. If
anyone else has books that they can spare I will be more than glad to
include them in the list or if you wish to write to him directly I am sure
he will be glad to hear from you.
ANDREA; (POSTAGE)
A friend of mine working for the post-office did a little research
and here is the result:
1. There is what is called the M-BAGS
With the Embags one can:
A) Mail books and related materials(only) to Gambia at the
following discounted rates:
Surface mail (will take about 2 months) 0.79 cents per pound
Air ( couple of weeks) $6.27 per pound
B) The shipment has to be at least 11 pounds and not more than 66
pounds.
C) It has to be sent direct to one address (I don't quiet
understand that part yet so I will find out more about that.)
So Andrea, I am not sure for whom you intend your donation. Let us talk
some more and finalise the arrangements. If anyone else wants to join
this one time endeavour, I will be glad to work with you.
I also tried several times but was not able to contact anyone yet at the
National Library.
PROPOSAL COMMITTEE: NKOYO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START TO PUT THINGS
TOGETHER.
Thank you for your time Musa
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 14:58:53 -0400 (AST)
From: "Inqs." <nfaal@is2.dal.ca>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
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>
> PROPOSAL COMMITTEE: NKOYO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START TO PUT THINGS
> TOGETHER.
>
So far, the members of the education improvement programme, are
Musa Sowe
Francis Njie
Malanding Jaiteh
Andrea Klumpp.
Nkoyo Faal.
I would like to encourage others members of the list and their
friends who are non-members to sign up for this venture so that we can
start making the necessary moves to make our intentions a reality. Look
forward to hearing from you all,
Thanx.
Nkoyo.
IF YOU DON'T DO IT, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK IT'LL GET DONE?
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:17:09 -0800 (PST)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
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Alhagie Mbowe has been added to the list. We welcome him and will be
looking forward to introduction and contributions.
Thanks
Tony
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Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
University of Washington
Box 353200
Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 22:40:47 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: "GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU" <GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: New member
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Amadou Scattred Janneh wrote:
>
> Gambia-l:
>
> Omar FW Touray (Gunjur or Sweden) has now joined our Bantaba. He is now
> based in The Gambia and we expect a formal introduction from him soon.
>
> Peace!
> Amadou Scattred Janneh
MR.JANNEH!!
WELL,IS IT NOT FANTASTIC THAT OMAR ALSO IS IN THE BANTABAA?! WE WERE
TOGETHER IN KUWAIT BACK IN THE LATE SEVENTIES,AND HAVE MET A COUPLE OF
TIMES IN THE SWEDISH CAPITAL.SO,A HUGE WELCOME FOR
FOR MR.TOURAY!!
MR.JANNEH KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK DOWN THERE, AND SAY HELLO TO OMAR FOR
ME.
REGARDS BASSSSS!!!
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 14:44:11 -0500 (EST)
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
Message-ID: <199703171944.OAA17586@oak.ffr.mtu.edu>
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>
> >
> > PROPOSAL COMMITTEE: NKOYO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START TO PUT THINGS
> > TOGETHER.
> >
> So far, the members of the education improvement programme, are
> Musa Sowe
> Francis Njie
> Malanding Jaiteh
> Andrea Klumpp.
> Nkoyo Faal.
>
> I would like to encourage others members of the list and their
> friends who are non-members to sign up for this venture so that we can
> start making the necessary moves to make our intentions a reality. Look
> forward to hearing from you all,
> Thanx.
> Nkoyo.
>
>
Thanks Nkoyo and Musa. I will get back to you guys later.
Malanding Jaiteh
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:39:06 +-100
From: "Matarr M. Jeng." <mmjeng@image.dk>
To: "'The Gambia And Related Issues Mailing List.'"
<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
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She will also visit in the Peace Corps training facility Saam Ndaay, in =
the Region of Thies, 80 East of Dakar. Then, she will tour U.S. =
sponsored development projects on democratic institutions and the =
education of Arican woman.=20
After Senegal, she will fly to South Africa, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Uganda =
and Eritrea for similar tours.=20
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Greetings
Matarr M. Jeng.
Copyright =A9 1997 The Panafrican News Agency. All Rights Reserved.=20
Material may not be redistributed, posted to any other location, =
published or used for broadcast without written authorization from the =
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 20:17:02 -0500
From: gndow@spelman.edu (Gabriel Ndow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re:Self Introduction To Gambia-1 Members
Message-ID: <199703180117.UAA00815@aardvark.spelman.edu>
Greetings:
Saul, let me take this opportunity to welcome you to gambia-l. I am sure by now you know that it is indeed a Free for all forum. Sometimes it can be tedious filtering through the mails, separating items of interest from junk! My advice, check your mail daily if you can and quickly scan through titles (if volunteered) or browse and delete. Make the 'delete' button your friend.
Regards to Cindy and the kids.
LatJor
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 23:58:39 -0500 (EST)
From: ASJanneh@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: More on Sissoko
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Sissoko apparently discovered oil on his land in THE GAMBIA, according to
media reports. Check it out!
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MIAMI, March 16 (Reuter) - West African millionaire Babani Sissoko =
may have been convicted of bribing a U.S. Customs agent, but that hasn't =
stopped him from spreading his wealth around in Miami. =
=0D
Sissoko, who pleaded guilty to paying a $30,000 bribe to a U.S. Custo=
ms agent in a bid to ship two military helicopters to Gambia and was sche=
duled to report in April to do his prison time, has been spending money l=
ike there's no tomorrow, the Miami Herald reported Sunday. =
=0D
Sissoko's three lawyers, all of whom were given $60,000 Mercedes cars=
last week, say he hands large bills to the homeless and others as he tra=
vels through the city each day. =
=0D
He gave $300,000 to the Miami Central High School marching band so it=
could travel to New York to play in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. =
=0D
``I know it sounds strange, but he says that giving away the money ju=
st makes him happy,'' Theodore Klein, one of his lawyers, told the Herald=
=2E =
=0D
The Herald said there are wildly differing versions as to how Sissoko=
, 51, got his millions. The millionaire himself, in different interviews,=
has said his fortune came from diamond mining in Liberia, ivory and gold=
trading in Cameroon and Zaire, wood trade in Gabon, and oil found on his=
land in Gambia. =
=0D
In Miami last week, Sissoko was seen in the company of arms merchant =
Sarkis Soghanalian, the Herald reported. =
=0D
Among the acts of largesse noted by the Herald: =
=0D
A masseuse who went to Sissoko's condo but wasn't allowed to touch hi=
m because he's Moslem and can't be touched by any woman but his four wive=
s was given a gold watch and $10,000 cash for her troubles. =
=0D
Sissoko met a woman at a car dealership while she was negotiating the=
price of a Range Rover and told the dealer to put the car on his tab. ``=
I was sent by God,'' he reportedly told the woman. =
=0D
The valet at his condo gets tips of as much as $400. =
=0D
Sissoko and his lawyers claim he was entrapped by the Customs agent. =
=0D
11:50 03-16-97
=0D
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:07:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: A plea for The Observer Online.
Message-ID: <858672652@mail.earthlink.net>
Gambia-L,
I must say, I'm quite surprised by the response, or lack thereof, to the Observer Online project. According to the administrators, only 50 members have replied with the wish to subscribe but surely this cannot be representative of the true wishes of our group.
If anything, I thought that this project would bring even more members to the list out of the sheer interest in receiving current news from the homeland. The mere fact that you are receiving this shows that you have an interest in "Gambian and Related Issues" so I find it difficult to believe that only less than a quarter of us are really interested in receiving the Daily Observer, the Gambia's largest circulating daily, on our computer screens in a timely fashion.
I believe that over ninety-five percent of us are actually interested but have not indicated so for a variety of reasons. The most obvious might be the actual cost. I'll get to that later. Others might be skeptical of the entire project, believing that it will not take off and that time and money will be wasted. Then I'm sure there are those of you who may be more optimistic but are waiting to see how things go or waiting for developments to take take place. Finally, I believe some of us have the intention of committing ourselves to the project but for some reason or the other have not yet come around to doing so.
Of course there are some who may have technical reasons, like the inability to browse a web page, limited access to the net or a perceived lack of self know-how on such things. Some of us may be limited to just receiving email. Others may not even know about the project at all or have responded affirmatively without acknowledgement.
The plea I make here is that all those who are at least interested should make it known. If any of these reasons or others are preventing you from subscribing (actually showing your intent to eventually subscribe), then you should by all means also make those reasons known.
As far as the cost is concerned, even at twenty dollars a year, this is a huge bargain. The printed version of the paper goes for fifty cents (five dalasi) a copy or two dollars and fifty cents (five issues) a week. The ten dollar annual subscription for Observer Online would actually get you only one month's worth of the printed version not to mention the cost of postage and with the online version you will be receiving the entire news in a timely fashion, either daily or biweekly.
Some of you might be thinking that since you will not have a hard copy you should not have to pay for it. Just about all the top papers in the world are available for free online from The New York Times, to The Guardian and Weekly Mail in S.A. to Asahi Shimbun in Japan., but you have to remember that all of these papers are also readily available in any good newspaper store or, for the cost conscious, any good library for free. This is not the case with The Observer or any Gambian newspaper. You must also realize that these high circulation papers can afford to offer an internet version of their publications without affecting their bottom line. The Observer is struggling just to keep it's operations going.
For the interested but skeptical, all I can say is that the only thing that is really preventing this from taking off is the apparent lack of interest from this group. The initiators of the project have already spent valuable time trying to get this off the ground including planning, calling and meeting with the staff of the paper back home and in one case even offering their own hardware to make this happen. Even the people at the Observer will have to work slightly harder to provide us with this service for very little in return. The most we can do then is to at least express how we really feel about the whole affair.
As I mentioned earlier, there are probably as many reasons as there are members on this list that could explain the lack of response. I believe if these reasons are made known to our administrators then they in turn can plan the project accordingly.
I offer then to pass a simple questionnaire individually to all members and then pass the the results to the managers. While the process cannot be totally anonymous, your answers will come back directly to me or better yet, if willing, one of the managers and NOT to the list as a whole.
This is simply a suggestion to get a worthy initiative going but it will require the cooperation of all members.
Peace.
Lat
P.S. We should also try and do a better job in spreading the word on this project and the list as well to those who have access to the net.
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:29:29 -0500 (EST)
From: SBarry1035@aol.com
To: Gambia-L@u.washington.edu
Subject: Fwd: African millionaire in DC
Message-ID: <970318002925_852990435@emout05.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-03-17 02:36:05 EST, SBarry1035 writes:
<<
>>
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Forwarded message:
Subj: African millionaire in DC
Date: 97-03-17 02:36:05 EST
From: SBarry1035
To: Gambia-l@u.wash.edu
This story was in the Washington post on Sunday:
Kader TounKora said he got $2,000 cash just for showing up last week at the
Watergate
hotel. So the Silver Spring man returned yesterday, hoping to get more- and
he was't
alone.
More than100 people jammed the the lobby, the stairwell and almost every
other nook
and cranny of the posh Northwest Washington hotel after they heard that a
wealthy
African diplomat, Foutanga Dit Babani Sissoko, of Mali, was giving away
money.
" He is a rich guy who tries to help anyone with a problem", said tounkora,
who brough
his camera on his second trip to the hotel. " He doesn't need to know where
you are
from. White or black, rich or poor, he'll help anyone."
Although most of the hopeful were natives of Mali, the Ivory Coast and
Algeria, at least
one Kansan was among them,if only by accident. Former Senator Robert J.Dole,
a
resident of the watergate apartments, came into the hotel yesterday afternoon
and was
curious about the crowd. He chuckled when he learned that the people were
waiting for
a diplomat known for handing out wads of cash.
Oh? Where is he? Dole quipped " I'm out of work." When Dole was told that
Sissoko
was asleep in his fifth-floor suite, he asked:"Does he need a wake up call? I
think I'll
get my suitcase.
Since Sissoko arrived at the Watergate on Thursday,dozens of African have
strolled
around the hotel- young women clad in colorful Afircan garb: men wearing
everything
from jeans to suits. All waiting anxiously.
On Friday, Sissoko handed out money to the homeless people in Georgetown,
said his
attorney, Thomas R Spencer Jr. He reportedly tipped a room service waiter
$200 Spencer added. Yesterday, the most rampant rumor was that Sissoko gave a
woman A check for $10,000
But most--if not all--of those waiting at the left disappointed. Watergate
officials moved most of the crowd to a downstairs conference area by
midafternoon, and when Sissoko
came into the lobby, he said he does give money away , but he bore no gifts .
" God
made me this way," Sissoko said through an interpreter. "Yes,I give them
money.They are like my children."
Sissoko ,52, never attended school, Spencer said. He worked as a house
servant in Africa before making his fortune from gold and diamond mines, oil
wells and airlines
He has four wives and six children Spencer said.
" He is a devout muslim, has been extremely lucky in his life and has made
it a habit
to give money", Spencer said. Earlier this month, Spencer said, his client
gave $300,000
to a florida marching band after learning that it was trying to raise
$150,000 to appear in the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade in NY.
Sissoko was town to meet with his legal advisers. He is facing prison time
for offering
$30,000 to a U.S Customs agent in exchange for expediting a license he needed
so he
could export Two helicopters from Miami to Africa, Spencer Said.
Excuse the length and any typos.
Have a nice week.
Sal
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:59:12 +0100
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970318075912.0068e8f4@golf.uib.no>
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At 14:58 17.03.97 -0400, NKOYO wrote:
> So far, the members of the education improvement programme, are
>Musa Sowe
>Francis Njie
>Malanding Jaiteh
>Andrea Klumpp.
>Nkoyo Faal.
>
> I would like to encourage others members of the list and their
>friends who are non-members to sign up for this venture so that we can
>start making the necessary moves to make our intentions a reality. Look
>forward to hearing from you all,
> Thanx.
> Nkoyo.
NKOYO! Count me in. KEEP UP THE HARD WORK GUYS. MUSA, I really admire your
will and dedication - keep up the clean heart. Feel free to get in touch,
directly, if there is anything I could contribute with.
GOOD LUCK!!
::)))Abdou Oujimai
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Fax. +47 55 58 96 87
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 01:36:32 -0800 (PST)
From: " alieu bah" <alieu@hotmail.com>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Introduction
Message-ID: <199703180936.BAA24223@f23.hotmail.com>
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Hello Everybody!
I am a gambian residing in finland and have lived here for two years.
I am studying to become an engineer in telecommunications.
Before, I was working as a teacher under Action-Aid and I have worked in all
divisions except western division .I ended my teaching carrier in Latri Kunda
(danso).
I would welcome any comments from anybody .
Alieu.
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:47:37 +0100
From: Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <332E72C9.EEE@kar.dec.com>
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Hello Listmanagers!
Could you please add Sheriff Faye to the list? His e-mail adress is
sheriff@imf128049.fzk.de
Thanks and regards,
Andrea
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 13:50:58 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: "GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU" <GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
Message-ID: <314D4011.6408@QATAR.NET.QA>
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Musa Sowe wrote:
>
> Hellow everyone: After several attempts I was able to get through to
> Gambia College and have been in contact with Dr. Bojang, the
> Vice-Principal (The principal was not in) The feedback I got is as
> follows:
>
> 1. No. of students = 1000
> Total recent graduation (couple of weeks ago) = 552
> out of this total, 3/4 are in Education
> 2. Gambia College has a small library. Some of the units within the
> college have no library or have only a rudimentary library.
> 3. The college provides faculty and students with supplies such as pens,
> pencils, notebooks etc (when they are avilable).
> 4. Some of the discipline areas that need urgent help:
> ....Early Childhood education (a program recently started) has no text
> books at all.
> ...Psychology, Education, Environmental Science, Literature, Physical
> sciences, Special Education, computer science all urgently need textbooks
> and reference material. According to Dr. Bojang students are constantly
> complaining about the lack of reference material in the different areas of
> study.
> 5. The college has 4 IBM compatible computers but cannot put them to full
> use because of lack of the appropriate software or relevant literature.
> 6 When I spoke with Dr. Bojang he was just arriving from Banjul to look
> for CARD BOARD which he needed as part of a mini- experiment for his
> class.
> He did not find what he needed so he had to improvise.
> 6. The college has also started to train teachers for Islamic studies.
>
> Plans are currently underway to develop Gambia College along with UTI and
> MDI into a university which will offer degree programs in Education,
> Agriculture, Nursing, Community Health and other technical areas.
>
> The Chairman over the college has given directives for the college to
> actively pursue collaborative efforts that will help it deal with all the
> various areas of challenge. So my call came at a very appropiate time.
> Dr. Bojang suggests that I speak with the the chairman as well. I plan to
> do that. He will send me the college's comprehensive plan,curriculum and
> the country's overall educational strategy and other relevant information.
> I mentioned to him our preliminary discussion on this net and my
> discussion with other individuals who are not currently on this net. I
> made it clear to him that I do not know if anything will come out of these
> preliminary discussions and how far they will go. Or, that if anything
> comes out of them what the direction will be. Therefore, all I can do is
> to commit myself as an individual at this time.
>
> I will be sending Dr. Bojang a list of textbooks this friday. If
> anyone else has books that they can spare I will be more than glad to
> include them in the list or if you wish to write to him directly I am sure
> he will be glad to hear from you.
>
> ANDREA; (POSTAGE)
> A friend of mine working for the post-office did a little research
> and here is the result:
>
> 1. There is what is called the M-BAGS
> With the Embags one can:
> A) Mail books and related materials(only) to Gambia at the
> following discounted rates:
> Surface mail (will take about 2 months) 0.79 cents per pound
> Air ( couple of weeks) $6.27 per pound
> B) The shipment has to be at least 11 pounds and not more than 66
> pounds.
> C) It has to be sent direct to one address (I don't quiet
> understand that part yet so I will find out more about that.)
>
> So Andrea, I am not sure for whom you intend your donation. Let us talk
> some more and finalise the arrangements. If anyone else wants to join
> this one time endeavour, I will be glad to work with you.
>
> I also tried several times but was not able to contact anyone yet at the
> National Library.
>
>
> PROPOSAL COMMITTEE: NKOYO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START TO PUT THINGS
> TOGETHER.
>
> Thank you for your time Musa
MUSA!!
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE KIND OF SOFTWARE THE COLLEGE WOULD NEED.THAT
IS SOMETHING I THINK I CAN HELP THEM WITH WHEN THE GAMBIAN
STUDENTS HERE ARE GOING BACKHOME FOR THEIR SUMMER VACATION.
REGARDS BASSSSS!!
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 14:32:49 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: "GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU" <GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: A plea for The Observer Online.
Message-ID: <314D49E0.D2A@QATAR.NET.QA>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Latir Downes-Thomas wrote:
>
> Gambia-L,
>
> I must say, I'm quite surprised by the response, or lack thereof, to the Observer Online project. According to the administrators, only 50 members have replied with the wish to subscribe but surely this cannot be representative of the true wishes of our group.
>
> If anything, I thought that this project would bring even more members to the list out of the sheer interest in receiving current news from the homeland. The mere fact that you are receiving this shows that you have an interest in "Gambian and Related Issues" so I find it difficult to believe that only less than a quarter of us are really interested in receiving the Daily Observer, the Gambia's largest circulating daily, on our computer screens in a timely fashion.
>
> I believe that over ninety-five percent of us are actually interested but have not indicated so for a variety of reasons. The most obvious might be the actual cost. I'll get to that later. Others might be skeptical of the entire project, believing that it will not take off and that time and money will be wasted. Then I'm sure there are those of you who may be more optimistic but are waiting to see how things go or waiting for developments to take take place. Finally, I believe some of us ha
>
> Of course there are some who may have technical reasons, like the inability to browse a web page, limited access to the net or a perceived lack of self know-how on such things. Some of us may be limited to just receiving email. Others may not even know about the project at all or have responded affirmatively without acknowledgement.
>
> The plea I make here is that all those who are at least interested should make it known. If any of these reasons or others are preventing you from subscribing (actually showing your intent to eventually subscribe), then you should by all means also make those reasons known.
>
> As far as the cost is concerned, even at twenty dollars a year, this is a huge bargain. The printed version of the paper goes for fifty cents (five dalasi) a copy or two dollars and fifty cents (five issues) a week. The ten dollar annual subscription for Observer Online would actually get you only one month's worth of the printed version not to mention the cost of postage and with the online version you will be receiving the entire news in a timely fashion, either daily or biweekly.
>
>
>
> For the interested but skeptical, all I can say is that the only thing that is really preventing this from taking off is the apparent lack of interest from this group. The initiators of the project have already spent valuable time trying to get this off the ground including planning, calling and meeting with the staff of the paper back home and in one case even offering their own hardware to make this happen. Even the people at the Observer will have to work slightly harder to provide us with
>
> As I mentioned earlier, there are probably as many reasons as there are members on this list that could explain the lack of response. I believe if these reasons are made known to our administrators then they in turn can plan the project accordingly.
>
> I offer then to pass a simple questionnaire individually to all members and then pass the the results to the managers. While the process cannot be totally anonymous, your answers will come back directly to me or better yet, if willing, one of the managers and NOT to the list as a whole.
>
> This is simply a suggestion to get a worthy initiative going but it will require the cooperation of all members.
>
> Peace.
>
> Lat
>
> P.S. We should also try and do a better job in spreading the word on this project and the list as well to those who have access to the net.
LATIR!!
PLEASE,PRESS ON WITH THIS INVESTIGATION.IF BRINGING DOWN THE FEE TO,SAY
FIVE DOLLARS, AS MUSA JALLOW HAS ONCE PROPOSED,WOULD MAKE EVERYONE SIGN
UP,THEN THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK DOWN THERE!!
REGARDS BASSSS!!
SIGN UP
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:03:18 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
To: "'gambia'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Proposal/food for thought
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My friends of Gambia-I. How glad I am. Remember how I by introducing
myself some months ago, was asking you, what you were ready to do to
help back home. And I put education first. Now it seems something is
going to happen.
As many of NGO-organisations put efforts in primary schools, and in
some secondary schools, and are backed up in their home-countries for
doing so. And as Momodou Camara said, many of these NGO=B4s also run =
many
scolarships for children and youngsters in the Gambia.=20
( For instance The Danish Gambian Friends Organisation has over the past
5 years send more than 50 containers of materials to the Gambia, and
they have a gambian-based committee, which takes over and do the
operation inside The Gambia. The same with the scholarships. One danish
woman spend 3 months last year seeking up every child and youth on the
scholarship-list, found them, seeing that they was attending education
in the school mentionned, talked with the head master of each school,
went to the social Ministry etc., and payed visit to many of the
families.) Let these NGO=B4s still organize some help that way, because
that is what they are best to do in their homelands.
Therefor I think the idea of putting your efforts into schools up the
river, or in an institute is fine.
One of my best gambian friends, Mr. Sawalo Jack is teaching at the
Gambia College, that=B4s why I=B4ve planned, that my support should =
include
Gambia College, but also GTTI, and every comming institute, because I
find it necessary that many of the young students can stay home as log
as possible, and some of you can come home and teach. The Gambian
University must be based in a shortcomming future, I hope.
Last time I was at The Gambia College, I noticed that the Library needed
new, modern books and materials, newer editions. And excuse me, more
african-related books. I did see the computors, but I could also see the
lack of software. They told me, that they were to get it from Canada (?)
I don=B4t remember if it was a Canadian aid, or sponsorship. (I can see
from the introductions, that some of you have access to software, so it
should be possible to supply The Gambia College, if we know, what is
needed). But as I also mentionned in a previous letter, sending books
and materials to the Gambia cost a lot of money. So first bying books
(for me often in London or New York) or collecting them (from danish
students or institutes), and then posting them, is more costy, than
sending the money to The Gambia, and let them spend the money there. But
till now I had now alternative. So the students I=B4ve been supported =
the
last 4 years, has got it that way. Else I post money for their fees,
exam-fees, and sometimes for house-renting and food-supplies for their
families. I=B4m glad that they are all doing well. But it is only =
because
of personal knowledge of them, I come to support. I would prefer to give
my support generally, so it=B4s not people adressed to me, who I =
support,
even it=B4s nice to come to know them personally, and corresponding with
them, giving support, greetings, positive "strokes", etc.
So if some of you put up a committee, which operates in The Gambia, I
will gladly send my savings to such one, and let them dicide where and
how to help.
I can say, that my plan was to go to The Gambia around the elections,
but my money was spend on a student instead. Now my plan is to go the
comming tourist season, because The Gambia should host a big
football-tournament, and they have just employed a dane as national
coach. But maybe I=B4ve spend my savings befor that ? Because I also =
send
footballs and team-shirts, trousers etc. to teams outside the Banjul and
SereKunda area, because the "football-mafia" around the big clubs in
there, try to keep everything in their own pockets, instead of
supporting small groups or teams up the River. That way they keep
themselves at the top, face no competition, and ruin the Gambia Football
in the long run. But that is another issue, which I can come up to later
on. You know I=B4m employed in Danish Sports Confederation, and I=B4ve =
seen
recreational sports for youth in the Gambia, and I=B4m dissappointed of
what I=B4m seen till now. There are so much that could be done with very
little help. But also lack of facilities and materials at f.i. The
Gambia College hinders comming teachers from being better on that
subject. Oh I=B4ll stop here, else ....
Keep on going, keep us informed. Asbj=F8rn Nordam
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:17:34 GMT+1
From: "Heidi Skramstad" <heidis@amadeus.cmi.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: A plea for The Observer Online.
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I am really eager to see The Observer on-line, and suggest that those
of us who are interested and can pay, spend $30 each. The sum could
be divided into two payments a year. Even that
is extremely cheap compared to what many of us spend on newspapers in
Scandinavia or the US during a year. And I think the news in The
Observer may be of greater interest to many of us.
Those who are bad off and have no chance to pay, may apply to the
committe and ask for a free subscription. I don't think that would
create any problem. I believe few of those who are really interested
are unable to pay, but those who are, should be sponsored by the rest
of us.
Heidi Skramstad
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:50:15 +0000
From: "BALA SAHO" <B.S.Saho@sussex.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: How Ignorant people can be!!! (fwd)
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Hell Sisters and Brothers,
I don't know why you posted such a stupid and derogating message
to me. I don't want to be part of such a 'self pity', 'self defeat',
team. Let us take pride in ourselves. We are encouraging media access
to racist views as some already mentioned.
Have pride
Peace
bala
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:50:49 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
To: "'gambia'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: The Observer online
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Even I don=B4t know how I will be able to receive or read the Observer, =
I
would like to support the project. Luckily it=B4s at my job, I=B4ve =
access
to Gambia-I (It also causes some problems, when I=B4ve been off for 2
weeks)That also means, that the telephone-connection is payed by my
employer, so it=B4s easy for me to say " yes". Like Heidi Skramstad =
I=B4m
ready to pay more than first suggested, to get it started, so we can see
it running, and no more talk. I=B4m aware that some of you are students,
short of money, have limited access etc. , and all that mentionned by
Latir Downes-Thomas, but maybe people who know more about how this will
function, can say a bit of how we download on our own computor for
later reading, to save connecting-time (=3Dmoney) etc., or what it is
called. Myself, I know nothing about all this. I just look forward to
see it in progress. Asbj=F8rn Nordam
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:58:25 +0000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <19970318155759.AAA9094@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Sheriff Faye to has been added to the list and as a custom, we
expect to have an introduction from him. Welcome to the Gambia-l
Sheriff, please send an introduction of yourself to the list.
Best regards
Momodou Camara
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http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara
**"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's
possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible"***
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:23:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Ylva Hernlund <yher@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Fwd: African millionaire in DC
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Echoes of last summer when the crowds gathered in front of Amies Beach
Casino for his daily appearance....
On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 SBarry1035@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 97-03-17 02:36:05 EST, SBarry1035 writes:
>
> <<
> >>
>
>
> ---------------------
> Forwarded message:
> Subj: African millionaire in DC
> Date: 97-03-17 02:36:05 EST
> From: SBarry1035
> To: Gambia-l@u.wash.edu
>
> This story was in the Washington post on Sunday:
> Kader TounKora said he got $2,000 cash just for showing up last week at the
> Watergate
> hotel. So the Silver Spring man returned yesterday, hoping to get more- and
> he was't
> alone.
>
> More than100 people jammed the the lobby, the stairwell and almost every
> other nook
> and cranny of the posh Northwest Washington hotel after they heard that a
> wealthy
> African diplomat, Foutanga Dit Babani Sissoko, of Mali, was giving away
> money.
>
> " He is a rich guy who tries to help anyone with a problem", said tounkora,
> who brough
> his camera on his second trip to the hotel. " He doesn't need to know where
> you are
> from. White or black, rich or poor, he'll help anyone."
>
> Although most of the hopeful were natives of Mali, the Ivory Coast and
> Algeria, at least
> one Kansan was among them,if only by accident. Former Senator Robert J.Dole,
> a
> resident of the watergate apartments, came into the hotel yesterday afternoon
> and was
> curious about the crowd. He chuckled when he learned that the people were
> waiting for
> a diplomat known for handing out wads of cash.
>
> Oh? Where is he? Dole quipped " I'm out of work." When Dole was told that
> Sissoko
> was asleep in his fifth-floor suite, he asked:"Does he need a wake up call? I
> think I'll
> get my suitcase.
>
> Since Sissoko arrived at the Watergate on Thursday,dozens of African have
> strolled
> around the hotel- young women clad in colorful Afircan garb: men wearing
> everything
> from jeans to suits. All waiting anxiously.
>
> On Friday, Sissoko handed out money to the homeless people in Georgetown,
> said his
> attorney, Thomas R Spencer Jr. He reportedly tipped a room service waiter
> $200 Spencer added. Yesterday, the most rampant rumor was that Sissoko gave a
> woman A check for $10,000
>
> But most--if not all--of those waiting at the left disappointed. Watergate
> officials moved most of the crowd to a downstairs conference area by
> midafternoon, and when Sissoko
> came into the lobby, he said he does give money away , but he bore no gifts .
> " God
> made me this way," Sissoko said through an interpreter. "Yes,I give them
> money.They are like my children."
>
> Sissoko ,52, never attended school, Spencer said. He worked as a house
> servant in Africa before making his fortune from gold and diamond mines, oil
> wells and airlines
> He has four wives and six children Spencer said.
>
> " He is a devout muslim, has been extremely lucky in his life and has made
> it a habit
> to give money", Spencer said. Earlier this month, Spencer said, his client
> gave $300,000
> to a florida marching band after learning that it was trying to raise
> $150,000 to appear in the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade in NY.
>
> Sissoko was town to meet with his legal advisers. He is facing prison time
> for offering
> $30,000 to a U.S Customs agent in exchange for expediting a license he needed
> so he
> could export Two helicopters from Miami to Africa, Spencer Said.
>
>
> Excuse the length and any typos.
>
> Have a nice week.
>
> Sal
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:18:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: A plea for The Observer Online.
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Gambia-l:
I am willing to pay $50 per year. Let me know when the first payment is due.
(For the "Observer," of course!)
Amadou Scattred Janneh
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:35:06 +-100
From: "Matarr M. Jeng." <mmjeng@image.dk>
To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: SV: A plea for The Observer Online.
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Fra: Amadou Scattred Janneh[SMTP:AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us]
Sendt: 18. marts 1997 14:18
Til: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
Emne: Re: A plea for The Observer Online.
Gambia-l:
I am willing to pay $50 per year. Let me know when the first payment is due.
(For the "Observer," of course!)
Amadou Scattred Janneh
Iam ready for it too. We need a newspaper from Gambia to our list however expensive or not.
Greetings
Matarr M. Jeng.
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:08:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: Gambia-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: A plea for The Observer Online.
Message-ID: <858723124@mail.earthlink.net>
I'm happy to see there has been some positive response. If the list managers could give me the go-ahead and suggestions for the appropriate questions, I will work on a draft and send it to them for their approval.
Again, they can then send me a list of the email addresses (without the names) and I will send out the questionnaires individually to each member who will in turn fill them out send them back to me.
I'm sure something can then be worked out to the maximum benefit of the majority of the list.
Peace.
Lat
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 23:39:46 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: "GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU" <GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: (Part3) CIRCUMCISION REVISITED - BLACK COSMOGONY
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MR.E.JAWARA & MIS E.JANNEH!!
-- Now,lets look at the African COSMOGONY.The DOGON TRIBE of Western
MALI are one of those few black Africans that have been able to
successfully resist the destruction of their Cosmogony by those of the
Trouble Makers.The SERRERS and the JOLAS in the Gambia & Senegal are
others,but because the Dogon's is almost a copycat
of that of upper Egypt four thousand years ago,we will use that one
here.And it goes like this:In the begining,there was a Cosmic egg.And
this egg contained TWINS who were to become a perfect
androgynous(male&female) beings.But because one of the twins broke out
of the egg prematurely,the
original plan of perfect androgynous beings was thwarted.And as a reult
of the abortion of the original plan,
humans were now forced to live with the Imperfection of the TWO
SEXES.So,because of this,males and females
come together in sexual union in IMITATION of the ARCHETYPE of the
PERFECTION of the original creation.
Based on their this story,the Dgons believe that because the original
process of creating perfect twins, each of which would have been a
perfect androgynous ( fifty percent male and fifty percent female)human
beings - because that Devine process was not successfully completed, all
human beings,regardless of whether they
appear male or female,are born imperfect.It is because of this belief in
the inherent imperfection of all newly born babies that the Dogon
society,and black humanity in general for that matter,decided to
intervene as a way of controlling the damage done by the unfortunate
failure of the original Devine process.This is where the INFAMOUS
CIRCUMCISION comes into the equation;that very process that some of our
brothers and sisters on this list characterized as Barbaric! So,let us
listen to what the Dogon high Priestess had to say about this
process:"So long as it retains its foreskin and clitoris,indications of
the sex opposite to the apparent sex, masculinity or femininity have
equal strenght.Thus,its not accurate to compare the UNcircumcised to a
woman;
like a girl on whom excision has not been performed, he is both male and
female. If this indecision were allowed to continue,he or she would have
no interest in procreation .These then are the various reasons for
circumcision and excsion:the need to rid the child of an evil force,the
need for him or her to pay a debt of blood
and to turn definitively towards one sex." Wow,what a sophistication!!
Now how can we read this story? First of all,the fact that the Dogons
have been able to preserve their philosophy that guides their life
thousands of years after their great,great ancestors emigrated from
their original
place of existence, areas around the Great Nile Basin, is itself a
miracle.The second thing is that,as we can
see in their Cosmogony,the Devine is not a MALE but male and female at
the same time,and because all
Devines tend to create Humans in their own image,the first Human Being
as far as the original intention
was concerned, was both male and female at the same time.That means NO
Patriarchal figure in this Cosmogony.
The third thing is that if the original plan had succeeded,the first
human beings would have been Identical Twins and equal partners in the
struggle of life(EQUALITY).The fourth thing is that even though one of
the twins was responsible for the failure of the Devine Plan by being a
little bit too hasty to get out of the First Egg, the Dogons
are blaming neither of them for the abortion. They simply know that
first experiments can go dangerously wrong sometimes,and that includes
devine experiments.So,there is no Misogyny,no Guilt and no Finger
Pointing in the
Dogon World View. The Dogons simply wanted to deal with this Mega
failure of the Devine plan in a mature and sophisticated manner, so they
came up with A Strategy That In Their Thinking Would Help Reduce The
Fall-out
Or Side Effects Of The Disasterous Failure Of The Original Devine Plan
..So,they came up with SOMETHING,and that thing was CIRCUMCISION!
None of us need to be a Biology Major to know that, even in 1997, babies
are still born carrying both Male and Female HORMONES in them,
regardless of the gender they would eventually become,and that people
whose physical profiles tell us that they are males can nonetheless have
more Female Hormones (Estrogen) in them
than Male Hormones (Testosterone).And the same thing can be true of
people whose physical profiles tell us that they are Females.So,it can
now be perfectly understandable that a society whose ultimate and
superior objective is to produce that PERFECT HUMAN BEING that failed to
materialise in the first act of creation to
device cultural measures that would, in their belief, help the sex
organs perform their functions in the most perfect
manner possible.We have said before that the World View of Western
Cutlure is driven by the deep-seated belief
that the only way to get back the grace of God that was lost after the
FALL is to excel materially as much as possible.And that is precisely
why John Calvin,the sixteenth Century French theologian and the
spiritual father of modern capitalism,taught the Europeans that
"thrift,industry and hardwork are forms of moral virtue"and that
"business success is evidence of God's Grace".If we can understand the
mentality that says that material success
(success in the Capitalist World) is a sign of God's happiness with the
successful,albeit its almost impossible
to create capital without cheating or stealing or exploiting others - if
we can understand that mentality,then it cannot be that terribly
difficult to understand a world view that says that the driving force of
their existence is to
imitate the archetype of the first perfect creaion,and that,that can
only be be realised when the sacred union of sex is performed by two
people one of whom must be a Perfect Male and the other a Perfect
Female,and that in turn can take place only after performing a surgical
operation on the genitals to eliminate any possibility of gender
ambuguity between couples.
Now that we know why black people are as stubborn about retaining
circumcision,as Westerners are in exporting
the virtues of Capitalism to every corner of the globe,we can now talk
about what some people on this list call
the BUSH SCHOOL; I call it THE PEDAGOGY OF CIRCUMCISION. That will be
our next article on Circumcision.
TO BE
CONTINUED ......................
REGARDS BASSSS!!!
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:06:34 -0500
From: "William O'Donnell" <billod@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: African millionaire in DC
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On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Ylva Hernlund wrote:
>
> Echoes of last summer when the crowds gathered in front of Amies Beach
> Casino for his daily appearance....
I was wondering if that was the same guy. What is his history?
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:38:13 -0600
From: Ndey Drammeh <NDRAMME@wpo.it.luc.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: A plea for The Observer Online. -Reply
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Gambia-L,
How about setting the annual subscription fee at a minimum of $5.00 as
suggested by Bass Kolleh, just to get the ball rolling. Then, those who
are able and willing to contribute more should be encouraged to do so.
Ndey Kumba
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:32:43 -0500
From: "PA-MAMBUNA O. BOJANG" <paomar@iglou.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: A plea for The Observer Online.
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Heidi Skramstad wrote:
>
> I am really eager to see The Observer on-line, and suggest that those
> of us who are interested and can pay, spend $30 each. The sum could
> be divided into two payments a year. Even that
> is extremely cheap compared to what many of us spend on newspapers in
> Scandinavia or the US during a year. And I think the news in The
> Observer may be of greater interest to many of us.
>
> Those who are bad off and have no chance to pay, may apply to the
> committe and ask for a free subscription. I don't think that would
> create any problem. I believe few of those who are really interested
> are unable to pay, but those who are, should be sponsored by the rest
> of us.
>
> Heidi Skramstad
>
HEIDI, This is a great idea. I can see you as an extrimist of equality.
I am willing to pay $30 annual subscibtion myself and also agree on the
free access for those who are not in a position to contribute. This way
we can all get it together and deliberate on the critical issues. Let
the committee go ahead and do what they have to do so we can get it
going on.
BASS, Thanks for the history on circumcision. Its both informative and
educational. Never stop.
GOD BLESS!
Pa-Mambuna
Lexington.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 01:08:02 -0500 (EST)
From: ASJanneh@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: "Daily Observer" matters
Message-ID: <970319010801_280666670@emout20.mail.aol.com>
Ndey & Gambia-l:
I believe the $10-subscription for the "Daily Observer" to be more than
reasonable; and I doubt if it is the cost that is keeping many of our fellow
List members from joining the bandwagon, so-to-speak. We are talking about
less than $1 per month for access to invaluable information about The Gambia.
We should maintain it at $10, and those of us who want to contribute more
should be encouraged to do so!
It's time that we get things working!
AL NING BAARA!
Amadou Scattred Janneh
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 01:36:16 -0500
From: mdarbo@intrepid.net (Yama Darboe)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: UDP Press Release on Attacks on it's Supporters
Message-ID: <199703190636.BAA12592@loki.intrepid.net>
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What happened on Sunday, the 2nd, of March, 1997 is hereby proclaimed to be
provocative and unacceptable. We hold the government of the Alliance For
Patriotic Reorientation and Construction (APRC) squarely responsible for the
behaviour of the Inspector-General of police and his deputy and their forces
for trying to keep yesterday alive(remember 22nd. September, 1996!) by
continuing to do what the Armed Forces Provisional Ruling Council(AFPRC)
attempted to do so unsuccessfully and with such disastrous results. The UDP
is beginning to embed the conviction that the APRC government is nurturing a
system that lacks the means for its own reform and transformation and
eventually its own preservation.
Since the proclamation of democracy and the rule of the law, a fact mirrored
in the adoption of the constitution and the holding of both Presidential and
Natinal Assembly Elections, the hidden code of the government of the APRC
began to be exposed in a set of actions and beliefs that run through all
their activities. This is manifest in cases of obsessive militaro-philia- a
kind of gladiatorial infatuation with tactical intimidation and brute force.
On the 27th. February, 1997, the UDP secretariat applied through the
Inspector General of Police for a permit to lead a procession of motorcade
from Yundum Airport, accompanied by drumming and aided by the use of a
Public Address System, to Welcome the arrival on Sunday, the 2nd. of March,
1997, of the party leader from the preparatory meeting held in Gabarone,
Botswana and that preceded the Roundtable of Heads of State and Governments
of Commonwealth Africa, ironically, on Democracy and Good Governance in
Africa . In a DEMOCRACY, this NORMAL and RESPECTFUL request is translated
into a provision of security and thoroughfare for the procession of
motorcade. In the Gambia of APRC, unfortunately, the UDP secretariat was
deceitfully directed to pick up the permit at the KOMBO STATION (where
permits were never issued anyway) and deposit a copy of the application for
permit. The Inspector-General of Police consequently severed all
communications with UDP officials. On Sunday (2.3.97), the UDP secretarait
cut down on the number of their vehicles that led the procession to the
residence of the Party Leader where a large crowd was found jubilating.
The Police, however, disrupted the jubilation by storming into the premises
of the party leader, beating up whoever they came across and ended up
transporting FOUR UDP supporters who are presently detained in Kombo Station.
The UDP understands that leadership is the art of influencing others to
cooperate in the achievement of common goals. To survive, our country needs
leadership able to reconceptualize this vision, revamp any negative existing
procedure and to revitilize programmes before crisis makes drastic changes
unavoidable or reach a point of no return. The failure of the APRC
government is to be found in the chronic immobility and/or retrogression of
the system. Those currently in power never had the intention of
relinguishing it and even immediately after the conference on Democracy and
Good Governance in Africa the entire government apparatus have continued to
exhibit a commitment to preserve itself by preventing change.
One of the principal justifications of actions of democracy is the assumed
capacity of the actors to complete the exploration of a given course of
action in simulation before the action is undertaken in fact. It is
precisely at this that incompetence most frequently reveals itself. The
actor fails in his job becasue he did not expect the unexpected, not beacsue
he did not do his best to avoid the rocks as soon as he sees them, but
because he should have been aware of their existence without the need to see
them. In other words, a country like a big ship, cannot change course fast
enough after the reef has been spotted; a long range view is required.
The UDP wishes to state categorically the party's refusal to associate
itself in a system that inherently is sowing the seeds of its own
destruction. The party shall not, from now on, be intimidated into
operating outside the perimetres of the law, even if it means resisting
actions violently. We shall not be derailed from our democratic principles
and will henceforth resist any organisation intolerant of competitors for
power who are inclined towards asserting their organisation's own
pre-eminence against rivals through total suppression.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 01:36:23 -0500
From: mdarbo@intrepid.net (Yama Darboe)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: UDP Press Release on the Vice-Presidency Issue
Message-ID: <199703190636.BAA12602@loki.intrepid.net>
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On Thursday 16th. January, 1997 col. Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh(rtd) took the oath
of office to defend and uphold the constitution of the Second Republic of
The Gambia after he had "assented" (a curious and strange constitutional
practice) to a resolution passed by the National Assembly for the adoption
of the Constitution.
When the President swore to uphold the constitution every Gambian expected
that a properly constituted new cabinet within the contemplation of the
constitution will be formed immediately. It took almost two months for this
to be done. The recent press release from the Office of the President
appointing a new cabinet falls far short of the requirements of the
constitution. A perusal of the constitution reveals that no specific
offices of the secretaries of state is provided for in the constitution; but
section 70 (1) provides no uncertain terms that there shall be a Vice
President of the Gambia who shall be the principal assistant to the
President etc. The Office of the Vice President is, like that of the
Attorney-General and the Chief Justice to mention a few, a creation of the
constitution. Section 73 (1) stipulates in what manner a cabinet should be
formed and constituted by providing that there shall be a cabinet which
shall consist of the President, the Vice-President and the Secretaries of State.
The press release by the president's Office shows that the President
continues to violate a constitution which expresses the will and resolve of
the Gambian people for good governance and a just, secure and prosperous
society", a constitution that the Gambian people have given as a beacon of
hope; a constitution that the President has sworn to defend and uphold.
The absence of a Vice-President in the so-called cabinet is indicative of
the fact that there is still no cabinet as envisaged by section 73 (1) of
the constitution. There is no discretion vested in the President to appoint
a cabinet without a Vice-President. Whilst we we do assume to know the
reasons for not appointing a Vice-President, it is clear that there is no
want of persons in the rank and files of the APRC who are on account of
their age, educational qualification and standing in the community eminently
qualified to be appointed Vice-president.
The cumulative effect of section 61 (2) of the constitution and the oath
taken by the President impose a very heavy implication on him to ensure that
provisions of the constitution are strictly adhered to. But the obligation
will not be discharged if the President is bent on satifying the wishes and
aspirations of others which may not be in accord with the constitution.
Appointing a cabinet in contravention of section 73 (1) is a violation of
the constitution and a wilful violation that which justifies the invocation
of section 67 (10 (a) of the constitution. We call on the President to
rectify the situation and appoint a cabinet in accordance with the very
constitution that he himself admires so woll and to which he has "assented"
****** NOTE*******
I tried to reproduce the text of the press release as accurately as
possible. Any error is solely mine and not that of the UDP leadership.
-Yama
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:27:59 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: "GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU" <GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fwd: African millionaire in DC
Message-ID: <314E8C2F.6134@QATAR.NET.QA>
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William O'Donnell wrote:
>
> On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Ylva Hernlund wrote:
>
> >
> > Echoes of last summer when the crowds gathered in front of Amies Beach
> > Casino for his daily appearance....
> I was wondering if that was the same guy. What is his history?
HIS HISTORY IS THAT HE IS A TOTALLY DERANGED MILLIONIARE WHO IS TOO SICK
TO REALISE THAT THE MONEY HE IS NOW THROWING AWAY IN THE U.S. IS MILLION
TIMES NEEDED IN BOTH GAMBIA AND MALI.THAT IS HIS HISTORY!!
REGARDS BASSSS!!
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:01:01 +0100 (MET)
From: Olafiaklinikken Olafia <olafia@online.no>
To: <Gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE:PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT
Message-ID: <199703191201.NAA28927@online.no>
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Hello ANDREA KLUMPP
How are you hope fine, thanks alot for your concern for The Gambia. I was
very happy with your mail of March the 14. and the remarks. I started
writing about the Health and Educational Issues of The Gambia but the
respond was rather reluctant. But thanks to Musa Sowe who triggerd it up
again after almost two months of silence on the issue.
As an individual i always contribute tio The Gambia=B4s Health and Education
Sector during my once or twice a year visit to The Gambia. I always take
things with me either to a school, Hospital or a Health Centre, which i
started some three years ago. Sabena World Airlines is a great support to my
this little effort by doing the freight free of charge.
I also do have access to cheap school materials from exercisebooks, pens,
pencils, rulers, rubbers etc. I am leaving for The Gambia march the 27.
whereby i will taking the above mentione materials and this time it will be
TUJEREnG PRIMARY SCHOOL.
Your questios about contributing and or funds and individual sponsorship, my
opinion is all three are needed, materials, funds and individual
sponsorship. I did adopt three primary school kids whom i do pay their
school fees. Concerning individual sponsorship and donating school materials
i would like to propose the following for you:
1. Visit the desired school you wanto adopt school children from and donate
materials to. Deliver the material to each an every student in the classroom
in person not through the teachers or scholl administration.
2. Talk to the children individually without the interference of a teacher
and assess the family background and needs and then choose the ones you want
to sponsor.
3. Visit the family talk to the parents or guardian and inform them your
wish to sponsor their child.
4. Don=B4t send money through the school administration or teacher but=
through
the parentsor guardian. Make it quite clear to them that every time
schoolfees is paid a receipt MUST be sent to you. If at all no receipts are
produce there will be no further funding.
There is another thing i would like to hear your opinion about. That is i am
having 50 chairs and tables which i got from my department during the
re-furnishing of our lunchroom. Along with 7 typewriters and 2 computers. My
Choice for a donation is TUJERENG PRIMARY SCHOOL. I earlier read about this
promary school in The Point where the Headmaster was appealing for
assistance concerning tables and chairs for the school. I seeking and hoping
for assistance here from Norway for the shipment. What can you advice on or
do concerning this.
With kind regards
Omars S. SAho, Consultant
Ullevaal University Hospital
Dept. for STD & HIV
Postuttak Gronland P.K.
N-0133 Oslo
Norway
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:35:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Ylva Hernlund <yher@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Fwd: African millionaire in DC
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970319083406.35004F-100000@dante22.u.washington.edu>
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Yes, it was definitely the same guy, before he left Gambia. I don't know
anything about his(story) but Bakau was abuzz with rumours last summer
about his turning up and handing out money many nights a week....
On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, William O'Donnell wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Ylva Hernlund wrote:
>
> >
> > Echoes of last summer when the crowds gathered in front of Amies Beach
> > Casino for his daily appearance....
> I was wondering if that was the same guy. What is his history?
>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 11:35:11 -0600
From: Francis Njie <francis_njie@il.us.swissbank.com>
To: latir@earthlink.net
Cc: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: The Observer Online: Additional Survey Questions & Some Comments
Message-ID: <9703191735.AA02186@new_delhi>
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Latir et al, I can't thank you enough...
Please add the following to the survey:
(1) You have access to the Internet through
[] your college/university/school
[] your job
[] an Internet Service Provider (ISP; e.g. AOL, Compuserve, MSN)
[] some other means; please state ----> ___________
(2) Which of the following do you have access to?
[] E-mail
[] World Wide Web (WWW)
[] File Transfer Protocol (FTP)
[] Gopher
(3) Do you have prohibitive time restrictions on your Internet account?
[] Yes
[] No
(4) Do you have prohibitive data transmission restrictions (e.g. 50 megabytes
of data transmission per month for WWW access) on your Internet account?
[] Yes
[] No
If yes, for which of the following is data transmission restricted?
[] E-mail
[] World Wide Web
[] FTP
[] Gopher
We could arrange access to plain text files of the paper via FTP or Gopher for
users that do not have access to the Web. We could also arrange e-mail access
to the paper via ListProcessor (much like gambia-l). I suspect the
ListProcessor is freeware (??); however, we can easily write a bare-bones list
processor if that's not the case. (We certainly will not be using gambia-l for
this purpose given the commercial nature of The Observer Online service and the
fact that the University of Washington would probably have gripes about the
commercial use of its facilities.)
Because it probably will not be possible to prevent subscribers from
saving/e-mailing/printing the content (Alas, Java applets can intrude only so
much!), subscribers will not be forced to stay online to read the paper so that
the time restriction concern will NOT be an issue. I pose the time restriction
question above just to obtain the information for possible future use.
Finally, while (I believe) data transmission restrictions for users without
personal Web pages are almost nonexistent with regular ISPs, I think there are
still some out there. Hence, the question regarding data transmission.
Thanks again...
- Francis
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:07:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Alias431@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
Message-ID: <970319200548_-1638528423@emout16.mail.aol.com>
Nkoyo,
You can count me in on the education improvement programme.
Thanks!
Haddijatou Secka
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:43:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: The Observer Online: Additional Survey Questions & Some Comments
Message-ID: <858851202@mail.earthlink.net>
Gambia L,
Francis wrote:
>
> Latir et al, I can't thank you enough...
>
> Please add the following to the survey:
>...
Please ignore this message (except perhaps the explanation at the end). The full questionnaire will be sent out shortly.
Thanks.
Lat
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:09:19 +0000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <19970320090905.AAA12620@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Rick Johnson has been added to the list and as a custom, we
expect to have an introduction from him. Welcome to the Gambia-l
Rick, please send an introduction of yourself to the list.
Best regards
Momodou Camara
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:14:39 -0800 (PST)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Senegalese students clash with police (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970320081349.14814A-100000@saul2.u.washington.edu>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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FYI -
Tony
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:21:35 PST
From: Reuters <C-reuters@clari.net>
Newsgroups: clari.world.africa.western, clari.news.protests,
clari.news.education.higher, clari.news.education
Subject: Senegalese students clash with police
DAKAR, Senegal (Reuter) - Students at Senegal's Dakar
university ransacked university buildings and clashed with
police Tuesday after they refused to let them hold a meeting on
campus, witnesses said.
Police dispersed the students with tear gas and made at
least 10 arrests, the witnesses added. Some students hurled
rocks and ransacked the main administrative building and a
restaurant.
``We wanted to hold a meeting and inform our comrades about
the outcome of our meeting with the minister of education
concerning our living conditions,'' law student Ousmane Diop
told Reuters.
The students have been negotiating over allowances, medical
cover and other benefits.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:20:53 +0000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <19970320162042.AAA6084@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Omar Gibba has been added to the list and as a custom, we
expect to have an introduction from him. Welcome to the Gambia-l
Mr. Gibba, please send an introduction of yourself.
Best regards
Momodou Camara
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:59:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: The Observer Online Survey
Message-ID: <858916937@mail.earthlink.net>
Gambia-L
You should have received the questionnaire in your mailboxes. If you have not, kindly notify me at my address and I will make sure you receive it.
Again, if there are any problems let me know.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Lat
latir@earthlink.net
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:26:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU>
To: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>, ;
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970320204650.8891C-100000@panther.Gsu.EDU>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
MUSA!!
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE KIND OF SOFTWARE THE COLLEGE WOULD
NEED.THAT
IS SOMETHING I THINK I CAN HELP THEM WITH WHEN THE GAMBIAN
STUDENTS HERE ARE GOING BACKHOME FOR THEIR SUMMER VACATION.
REGARDS BASSSSS!!
BASS: The software they need the most now is lotus (1,2,3....). But they
will also appreciate any educational software compatible to IBM.
MORE STATISTICS:
1. Gambia college (main campus) has the second largest library in the
country (2nd to the National Library) but it has only about 5000
collections.
2. The college also trains candidates for the High Teacher Certificate.In
the past candidates for this program had to travel to neighbouring
iniversities and U.K
This program is one of the programs that is being planned to be upgraded
to the BSc program.
The college has a continous inservice program to update and retrain
already certified teachers (up to about 400-500 at a time). This ofcuorse
in addition to the preservice programs. All of these are provided with
the necessary supplies (pens, pencils.......).
There is one supplier of these items in Banjul.
3. 90% of all high and middle school teachers in the country are
non-Gambians
4. In some schools non-Gambian teachers form 99%
BASS/Observer online:
I am one of those Gambians that definitely need to be informed more about
what is going on in the country. So I more than welcome the idea of
having a Gambian paper online that would give us at least one perspective
of what is going on. Infact a year ago I read one of the issues of the
Observer paper from someone. I was impressed and wrote to them inorder
to subscribe (hard copies). I did not receive a reply and did not pursue
it further.
However, I am not very familiar with the news worthiness of the paper
(since I have not read it except for that one time) But, I am comfortable
with the fact that many on this net regard it highly. You have also said
that it is the most widely distributed paper in the country and the only
one with the technical capability. So that makes it the best candidate.
So as soon as a cashier is named or announced I will send my contribution.
However, I am still not clear about the following:
1. Is this "our" project or is it the Observer's project?
2. If it is "our" project does that mean that we will set it up and
continue to maintain it for the observer through a volunteer (s) or
salaried person(s).
3. What is the estimate as to how much it will cost to set it up and to
continue to maintain it?
4. Is the $10, $20......based on that estimate?
5. Is the $10, $20..... a fee for service (subscription) or a
contribution (donation)
6. has an amount been agreed upon?
7. If it is a fee for service what happens to complaints by unsatisfied
subscribers (either because of interuption of service etc....)?
8. Will these complaints be addressed to the observer or "us"
9. If "us", do we have a legal identity (registered name.....) or is that
not necessary?.
I am sure some of these have been discussed and addressed before I
joined the net. So that the above questions are not meant to rekindle that
debate but simply to provide me (and maybe others who joined at the same
time or after I did) more info so I could participate in a more informed
way.
My suggestion here is to go ahead and name the cashier to whom the
contributions/subscriptions are to be sent and in what currency. set up a
structure for contributors/subscribers, who need it, to receive receipts.
Set a deadline date for the receipt of these monies to be received. after
that deadline announce how much has actually been collected and how much
more is needed to start the project. Then figure out what to do next,
either ask those already participating to contribute more or try to expand
the market as much as possible, or refund the monies and reschedule the
project.
On that note one thing I know is that the majority of Gambians in
the area that I lived do not have access to the internet. Many of those
who do are students who have acces through universities, or few who have
access through their place of employment. Some universities around here
limit access to students only when they are registered for the quarter, so
students may not even have continous access. So if we want to see this of
the ground, those who are really interested may have to make the
sacrifice.
ANDREA/shipment.
I talked to Dr. Bojang again today and he tells me that the majority of
the shipment they receive is by surface mail. They have had little or no
problem with receiving items by surface mail and that they also understand
that it will take longer. So if the 0.79cents per pound works out with
the M Bags I think that that may be cheaper afterall. Because, don't
you have to pay excess bagage and is that rate not much more expensive.
Well, shipping definitely is going to be our major expense and we have to
work on it. Anyway, this first one time donation that I am sending to the
college, I will try the M Bags and see how that works. I will not mind to
include yours and send it on your behalf as well.
Asbrn..Andrea/adopting aschool, child...
I completely agree with asbrn that the problem has to be tackled from all
fronts...sending materials, adopting a school and child. i just presume
that some if not many already have children within their extended family
structure to sponsor or adopt and are actually currently doing so. If
we develop a project that is simple and focused and not overwhelm
ourselves with alot of logistics and expense then we will not be
overburdened and easily get burnt out and the life of the project will be
longer. I think it is a good idea to dealg with an institution like
Gambia College where it all partly begins... teachers are trained to go
and train children from the early childhood stage to high school. One
well trained teacher can have a positive impact on a lot of students year
after year. One textbook can serve many teachers and students year after
year (at least for a while) But imagine a teacher trained without the
necessary text books and resource materials is graduated to go
and train children also without the necessary resources. So for now,
untill the committee comes up with a draft proposal I will focus my
attention on textbooks and resource material for Gambia College.
And Asbrn you have a lot of experience in this area and because
you are very much involved and have the oppurtunity to visit home up to
twice a year, you will be a big resource for this proposed project. Could
you please go by Gambia College when you visit home and bring us first
hand information as to the reality at the college.
Also, if anyone else on this net has a direct or an indirect link
with the college could you please shed more light on the issue.
Thank you all for the patience. Our system was down for two days
so I tried to squeeze all that I wanted to say since two days ago.
Musa
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:45:33 +0100
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT (update)
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At 22:26 20.03.97 -0500, MUSA SOWE wrote:
>I think it is a good idea to dealg with an institution like
>Gambia College where it all partly begins... teachers are trained to go
>and train children from the early childhood stage to high school. One
>well trained teacher can have a positive impact on a lot of students year
>after year. One textbook can serve many teachers and students year after
>year (at least for a while) But imagine a teacher trained without the
>necessary text books and resource materials is graduated to go
>and train children also without the necessary resources.
MUSA, I have just been thinking of the same thing before I came across of it
in your posting. Everything here is true. We can't deliver quality students
without well trained quality teachers. So I think your starting point is
very essential and urgent. Myself, I never anticipated such problems within
the Gambia College, so thanks to you for digging up the necessary info. KEEP
IT UP and GOOD LUCK
HAVE A NICE WEEKEND GAMBIA-LERS!!!!!!!!!!!
Best of Regards,
::)))Abdou Oujimai
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:31:16 +0000 (GMT)
From: J GAYE <J.Gaye@Bradford.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: New Memeber
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Can you please add Omar Baldeh's name to the list. His address is:
O.BALDEH<obaldeh@bradford.ac.uk>
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
J.Gaye
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:48:45 +0000
From: "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: WHY WE SHOULD TAKE IT ONE STEP AT A TIME
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It's true that sometimes life is full of trying circumstances ,
And sometimes we must struggle fo just minimal advances.
Despite events that slow us down and magnify our worries ,
We must learn that progress is a word that seldom hurries .
To try to grasp the total picture is a strong temptation .
Often we attempt too much and add to our frustration .
Laying out before us all the things that must be done may be harder
than to focus on a single one.
Don't approach too many tasks that all your hopes are gone .
A single step will lead you to another later on.
Believe in yourselves like I do and don't let nobody hold you down.
Believing in God is is extremely important but believing in yourself
is also very important. One cannot believe in God when one does
not believe in oneself first.
Beaware of both the NEGATIVE and POSITIVE aspects of your
self- image because that way you can make yourself a better person
Be cautious of people who at all times say nothing to your ears
but praises however don't let those ones who always criticise you
hold your pride and self-esteem. FIAT OF JUSTITIA.
M'BAI OMAR F.
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:03:41 +0000
From: "M'BAI OF" <O.F.M'Bai@icsl.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: THE SECRET OF LIVING
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Make each day a magnificent adventure.
Accept the challenges that come your way.
Seize each opportunity that you find ,
Without concern for what others might say.
Experience each day with open arms ,
Savoring both victory and strife ,
Welcoming the good and the bad together,
For only then will you know the joy of life.
Don't be misled by those people out there giving you the impression
that they know it all when they don't welcome the good and the bad
together or accept the challenges that come their way.
M'BAI OMAR F.
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 05:21:30 -0500 (EST)
From: KeurSamba@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Hello
Message-ID: <970321052130_1410056417@emout18.mail.aol.com>
Hello Gambia-L
My name is Allen Harris and I subscribed yesterday, March 20, 1997. I'm
pleased to meet you all.
I am African-American, 45 years old, and live in Chicago, where I work as a
newspaper sub-editor. I have long been interested in Africa. I'm also
subscribed to SUNUGAAL, Malinet and Zaire-L and am looking for more
Africa-related lists to join.
About my America Online screen name, KeurSamba: as you may know, it is the
name of a nightclub in Paris. I've been there and had a great time. But other
than sentimentally, I have no connection to it.
keursamba@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:50:23 +0000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <19970321115018.AAA39378@LOCALNAME>
Omar Baldeh has been added to to the Gambia-l. Welcome Omar and
please send an introduction of yourself to the list.
regards
Momodou Camara
*******************************************************
http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara
**"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's
possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible"***
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 15:59:24 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: "GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU" <GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Hello
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KeurSamba@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello Gambia-L
>
> My name is Allen Harris and I subscribed yesterday, March 20, 1997. I'm
> pleased to meet you all.
>
> I am African-American, 45 years old, and live in Chicago, where I work as a
> newspaper sub-editor. I have long been interested in Africa. I'm also
> subscribed to SUNUGAAL, Malinet and Zaire-L and am looking for more
> Africa-related lists to join.
>
> About my America Online screen name, KeurSamba: as you may know, it is the
> name of a nightclub in Paris. I've been there and had a great time. But other
> than sentimentally, I have no connection to it.
>
> keursamba@aol.com
KEURSAMBA!!
GAMBIA-L IS MOST GLAD TO HAVE YOU.SO FEEL FREE AND BE AT HOME WITH
US.THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK DOWN THERE.
REGARDS BASSSS!!!
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:30:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New Member
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Gambia-l:
Omar Baldeh is our newest member. We expect a formal introduction from
him soon. Welcome to the BANTABA Mr. Baldeh!
AL NING BAARA
Amadou Scattred Janneh
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 17:16:09 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: "GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU" <GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>,
CHEMSM@PANTHER.GSU.EDU
Subject: AN OBSERVER COMMITTEE MEMBER'S RESPONSE TO MUSA SOWE
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MR.SOWE!!
I WILL TRY TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS BUT WILL FORWARD YOUR
MESSAGE TO FRANCIS AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE Observer Technical Committee
TO ANSWER THE REST.THEY ARE THE ONES DIRECTLY IN CONTACT WITH THE
Observer PEOPLE.AND HERE WE GO:
1) NO, WE ARE NOT IN ANYWAY RELATED OR WANT TO EVER BE RELATED TO THE
OBSERVER COMPANY OR PEOPLE.ALL WE WANT IS TO BUY THEIR PAPER AND BE ABLE
TO READ IT ON A REGULAR BASIS
IN THE GAMBIA-L,PERIOD.
2)NO,IT IS NOT A MUST THAT THE PAPER THAT WE WOULD HAVE HERE BE THE
Observer.WE JUST
NEED A GAMBIAN PAPER HERE.AND IF THE APPARENT FOOT-DRAGGING ON THE PART
OF THE OBSERVER
CONTINUES,PERHAPS WE NEED TO FORGET ABOUT THEM AND HIRE BOTH Foroyaa AND
THE Point SIMULTAEOUSLY IF OUR MEAGRE RESOURCES CAN DO THAT.TWO POINTS
OF VIEW ARE ALWAYS BETTER
THAN ONE!!
3) QUITE FRANKLY,THE SUBSCRIBTION FEE HAS NOT YET BEEN DEFINITIVELY
ESTABLISHED.WE ARE
VERY CONCERNED THAT BECAUSE MANY OF OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS ARE
STUDENTS,THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO PAY THE INITIAL $20 FEE SUGGESTED.BUT
LATIR IS CONDUCTING A SURVEY THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT
QUESTION.I PERSONALLY WILL PAY TWENTY DOLLARS EVEN IF THE FEE AGREED
UPON LATER ON IS LESS THAN THAT.THAT IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO MANY OTHER
THINGS
ON THIS LIST AFTER AND BEYOND HAVING ACCESS TO THE OBSERVER,FORYAA OR
POINT OR WHATEVER.
3) ALSO READ BELOW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED WITH REGARDS TO
THE OBSERVER
ISSUE BEFORE YOU JOINED THE LIST.
REGARDS BASSSSS!!
New Business:
>
> 1. we need to decide on a subscription fee for the Daily Observer. Since
> only about 50 people out of the targeted 100 people expressed interest in
> subscribing , it was suggested by the technical committee that we raise the
> fee from $10 a year to $20 a year. What do you all think??? We need to make
> a decision right away. your response is needed!
>
> 2. As far as our responsibilities, we do need to decide on who will be
> responsible for recieving the money sent in by subscribers. There are two
> accountants (that i know of) in this group -- N'Dey Drammeh and Momodou
> Jagana. My suggestion is to have these two handle the money part. One
> person recieves it and both double check and then send it to the tech
> committee or who ever is suppose to get all the money ( i have to double
> check on this with abdou/francis). Ndey and Momodou let us know and talk to
> each other too. Folks, we need to decidee how the payments will be made
> (personal checks or money orders). I suggest no cash or credit cards, for
> the obvious reasons. We do want to keep a documented account of all payments.
>
> 3. I also need someone to work with me in answering questinos that potential
> subscribers may ask. If any one of you feel that you are knowledgeable
> enough about the group to handle questinons, let me know.
>
> 4. We also need two volunteers to act as 'secretaries' who will send in
> progress reports to gambia-l and to the technical committee. This is
> something that will probably be done whenever we have something to report
> on. It will not be a lot of work because I know we are all busy with other
> things. So if you read your mail regularly ( say once a day or a couple of
> times a week), please volunteer for this position.
>
> 5. That's all I can think of right now. Send in you suggestions if
> anything else comes to mind. Also let me know what you would like to do. I
> appointed the accountants because I happen to know what they do. So go
> ahead and send in your brief introductions/experiences/abilities...
>
> I'll send in a list of the people who are interested in subscribing.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> 3
> ----------------------
> N'Deye Marie N'Jie
> Graduate Associate
> Dept. of Food, Agricultural & Biological Engineering
> The Ohio State University
> 590 Woody Hayes Drive, Columbus OH 43210
> <njie.1@osu.edu; 688-3445 (W)>
> -----------------------------
NDEYE!
WITH REGARDS TO THE $20,I AGREE.
MY JOB IS BASICALLY READING AND WRITING (English-Arabic Legal
Translator),SO I WOULD BE GLAD TO HELP WITH ANY TASK THAT OTHER MEMBERS
MAY NOT FIND ENOUGH TIME ON THEIR HANDS TO DO,BECAUSE I SPEND MUCH OF
THE DAY INFRONT OF MY PC,BOTH AT HOME AND AT WORK.
REGARDS BASSS!!
--
SZDDˆð'3Af¨
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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 00:05:20 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: Kabul enters dark age as windows are
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I hope this interests some of us!
Lamin Drammeh.
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>http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/97/03/20/timfgnasi01001.html?14214
>58
>
>March 20 1997
>SOUTH ASIA
>
>Kabul enters dark age as windows are
>painted over to hide corrupting women
>
>BY CHRISTOPHER THOMAS
>SOUTH ASIA CORRESPONDENT
>THE Taleban Islamic militia, which has banned most forms of fun and
>entertainment in the two thirds of Afghanistan under its control, has
>ordered householders to paint over windows in case unveiled women are seen
>from outside. It said women s faces corrupted men.
>Strange orders have made Taleban the laughing stock of much of the Islamic
>world, although those living under its regime find life far from amusing. A
>recent regulation bans taxi drivers from transporting women not covered
>head-to-toe in a veil. Photographing people has been declared un-Islamic and
>incurs severe punishment, although passport pictures are exempt.
>The window rules were announced on Taleban-controlled Voice of Sharia radio.
>Second-floor windows must be painted over to a height of 6ft because they
>"pose a threat to neighbours as far as Islamic hejab [women s dress code] is
>concerned", Kabul City Council said. The Attorney-General s office in the
>city said that women s faces were "a source of corruption for men who are
>not related to them".
>Kabul, traditionally a liberal city (I-(B until the 1970s it was known for its
>discos, bars and restaurants (I-(B has been ruled by Taleban since September.
>Women must be fully veiled in the street and are beaten for non-compliance.
>They are banned from working or studying at university, consequently
>inflicting severe hardship on thousands of war widows who once worked on
>projects run by international aid agencies, which find it difficult to
>operate without them.
>The ban on photography makes the work of press photographers all but
>impossible. Journalists are required to stay in a government-owned hotel at
>daily rates that exceed the annual incomes of most Kabul residents and they
>face severe curbs on their movements, being supposed to use only
>government-approved taxi drivers and translators. This ensures their
>movements can be monitored and that dissidents can never meet them safely.
>Music is illegal, unless it is religious. Kabul University has reopened, but
>with only male students and teachers, and there are no schools for girls.
>Mufti Muhammad Masoom Afghani, the Afghan Ambassador at the
>Taleban-controlled Embassy in Islamabad, briefed diplomats and United
>Nations officials this week on efforts to combat narcotics. This was
>designed to counter reports that Taleban is involved in the drugs trade (I-(B
>which it certainly is.
>Production of raw opium, refined into heroin in mobile laboratories in
>Afghanistan and tribal areas of Pakistan, has increased under Taleban rule,
>judging by satellite photographs of poppy production.
>Next page: Huli Wig Men prepare to become big spenders
>Copyright 1997.
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 97 09:14:07 CST
From: "Numukunda Darboe" <ndarboe@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
To: KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA,
"GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: AN OBSERVER COMMITTEE MEMBER'S RESPONSE TO MUSA SOWE
Message-ID: <ndarboe.1209344887A@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
Correction from Bass's response to some of Mr. Sowe's questions:
The initial suggested fee was $10 instead of $20, and since we did not have
the anticipated number of subscribers, someone within the committee
suggested a fee raise in order to meet our financial needs.
ndarboe
>MR.SOWE!!
> I WILL TRY TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS BUT WILL FORWARD YOUR
>MESSAGE TO FRANCIS AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE Observer Technical Committee
>TO ANSWER THE REST.THEY ARE THE ONES DIRECTLY IN CONTACT WITH THE
>Observer PEOPLE.AND HERE WE GO:
>
>1) NO, WE ARE NOT IN ANYWAY RELATED OR WANT TO EVER BE RELATED TO THE
>OBSERVER COMPANY OR PEOPLE.ALL WE WANT IS TO BUY THEIR PAPER AND BE ABLE
>TO READ IT ON A REGULAR BASIS
>IN THE GAMBIA-L,PERIOD.
>
>2)NO,IT IS NOT A MUST THAT THE PAPER THAT WE WOULD HAVE HERE BE THE
>Observer.WE JUST
>NEED A GAMBIAN PAPER HERE.AND IF THE APPARENT FOOT-DRAGGING ON THE PART
>OF THE OBSERVER=20
>CONTINUES,PERHAPS WE NEED TO FORGET ABOUT THEM AND HIRE BOTH Foroyaa AND
>THE Point SIMULTAEOUSLY IF OUR MEAGRE RESOURCES CAN DO THAT.TWO POINTS
>OF VIEW ARE ALWAYS BETTER
>THAN ONE!!
>
>3) QUITE FRANKLY,THE SUBSCRIBTION FEE HAS NOT YET BEEN DEFINITIVELY
>ESTABLISHED.WE ARE
>VERY CONCERNED THAT BECAUSE MANY OF OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS ARE
>STUDENTS,THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO PAY THE INITIAL $20 FEE SUGGESTED.BUT
>LATIR IS CONDUCTING A SURVEY THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT
>QUESTION.I PERSONALLY WILL PAY TWENTY DOLLARS EVEN IF THE FEE AGREED
>UPON LATER ON IS LESS THAN THAT.THAT IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO MANY OTHER
>THINGS
********************************************************************************
Numukunda Darboe
Chemistry Dept.
University of Mississippi
(601) 232 5143 Lab
ndarboe@olemiss.edu
Home Page at: http://members.tripod.com/~ndarboe/
OLEMISS REBELS 1997 SEC WEST BASKETBALL CHAMPIONS
GO REBELS!!!!!!!
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:48:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Raye Sosseh <gt8065b@prism.gatech.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Observer sub.
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You can add my name to the list. Please let me know, how I have
to go about paying.
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* Raye Sosseh *
* George Woodruff School of Mechanical Engineering *
* Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 *
* Internet: gt8065b@prism.gatech.edu *
* *
* Quote of the week *
* ----------------- *
* "If at first you succeed, don't take any more *
* stupid chances." *
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:52:15 -0500 (EST)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Brief Internet overview
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Welcome to all new members of GL.
And now here is a brief overviw.
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Latest news:
DEC just introduced a 533 mhz 61164 alpha chip.
just $595 in thousands, made by Samsung in Korea...
First chip to break the 500 mhz barrier...
CYBERWATCH
For those who want to control what their children see on
the internet, you might want to consider these:
NetNanny
WebTrack
CyberPatrol
SurfWatch
CyberSitter
Safe Surf
KinderGuard
EFF [Electronic Frontier Foundation]
INTERNET USAGE HAS DOUBLED
A study by CommerceNet and Nielsen Media Research concludes that Internet
use has more than doubled in the last 18 months, from 10% to 23% of all
persons in the U.S. and Canada over age 16. A Nielsen executive says: "Not
that long ago, the people using the Web tended to be a rather homogeneous
group -- young, upscale and rather well educated. The big gains that we're
seeing now are coming from outside that group." (Washington Post 13 Mar 97)
[All notes in this format are relayed from Edupage]
You might want to note that this trend indicates that approximately 50%
are probably trying the Internet, since the number of households with a
computer is now between 40% and 50% in the United States.
A quick look would indicate that Internet usage is increasing slightly
faster than computer usage. . .however. . .be aware that as any usage
statistic approaches 50%. . .the level of usage can never double again.
USAGE is also showing some growth but not as large as measured by the
Internet advocates, who claim that the average user spends about 20 hours
a week on the Net.
Let's face it, if the average user is on the Net for 20 hours a week,
and watching TV for 40 hours a week, there really isn't any more time.
SPEEDING UP OF HTTP PROTOCOL
The World Wide Web Consortium in Cambridge, Mass., an industry
standards-setting group, says that a redesign of the http protocol that has
been the basis of the Web since 1990 will speed up downloads by two to eight
times. Browsers supporting the new H.T.T.P./1.1 protocol will be available
in the spring. (New York Times 17 Feb 97)
ALTA VISTA ENHANCES SEARCH PROCEDURES
Digital's Alta Vista search engine has added an enhancement that categorizes
Web search results. By clicking on a button, LiveTopics organizes pages
with similar content into groups, bringing structure and meaning to the
process. The LiveTopics software creates its topics dynamically using
statistical analysis, rather than relying on a group of predefined
categories. The beta version is available at:
<http://altavista.digital.com/ (InfoWorld Electric 13 Feb 97)
EXPERIMENT SHOWS STUDENTS DO BETTER ONLINE
A sociology professor at California State University at Northridge conducted
his own experiment to test online learning, randomly dividing his statistics
class in half, and teaching one half by lecture and the other half by Web
assignments, online discussion groups and e-mail. The students who'd been
banned from the physical classroom scored an average of 20% higher than
those who'd attended in-person. "The motivation for doing this was to
provide some hard, experimental evidence that didn't seem to exist
anywhere," says the prof, who plans to expand his research to determine
whether the online students performed better because they spent more time
collaborating with their classmates, or because of the online format of the
class. (Chronicle of Higher Education 21 Feb 97)
BAGHDAD SEES INTERNET AS END OF CIVILIZATION
An editorial in the Iraqi government newspaper Al-Jumhuriya says that the
Internet -- which is not accessible in Iraq -- is "the end of civilizations,
cultures, interests, and ethics," and "one of the American means to enter
every house in the world. They want to become the only source for
controlling human beings in the new electronic village." (AP 17 Feb 97)
MICROSOFT WANTS TO STANDARDIZE INTERNET BROADCASTING
Microsoft has proposed a standard format for delivering television-like
channels through the next version of its Internet Explorer Web browser,
capitalizing on the new strategy of using "push" technology to deliver
information to customers, rather than passively waiting for them to retrieve
it. A Microsoft VP says the standard would make it easier for other Web
site operators to personalize their sites for individual users, and to add
animation to their pages: "Internet Explorer 4.0 allows you to take any Web
site and turn it into a channel." Netscape is proposing a competing
standard, which is incompatible with the Microsoft technology: "Both
companies have decided, 'Hey, it's time to batten down the hatches and go
into battle mode,'" says a Forrester Research analyst. (Wall Street Journal
12 Mar 97)
SCHOOLS OFFER WEBMASTER DEGREES
Universities are heeding the call from companies for more qualified techies
capable of designing and managing a corporate Web site, and are now
beginning to formalize such training with degree programs geared toward
producing "Webmasters." Rather than stressing computer science skills, the
programs tend to lean toward either library science (with a special emphasis
on technology) or graphic media design. Included in the degree programs are
courses in such disciplines as organizational psychology, library science,
graphic design, and business. For example, Indiana University offers a
master's degree in information science, building on the library science
program for which it has long been known, and John Brown University is about
to offer a bachelor-of-science degree in digital media. Other programs can
be found outside the U.S. in Australia and Canada. (Chronicle of Higher
Education 14 Mar 97)
APPLE PARES WORKFORCE
Apple Computer announced it will cut its 13,000 workforce by several
thousand employees and will scale down the company's large product line,
particularly peripheral communications products, such as the Pippin, and
some versions of its Macintosh Performa. "We are going to start doing what
we do well and stop doing what we don't do well," says Apple's executive VP
of marketing. (Wall Street Journal 14 Mar 97)
HIGH ACCESS CHARGES = LOWER NET USE
A forthcoming study by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and
Development indicates that high Internet access costs, not language
differences, are what really dictate a country's Internet usage. While U.S.
customers pay only the Internet service provider's charge and nothing for a
local phone call, most other countries have a system where they allow both
access charges and a per-minute local phone call charge. "You can talk
about cultural differences. You can talk about how there are less personal
computers in Europe than in the U.S. But the fact is that prices charged by
European phone companies for local calls are slowing down the market," says
a telecommunications analyst at the OECD. The report shows that consumers
in the most expensive countries, Mexico and Ireland, pay more than $90 a
month in access charges and phone bills for 20 hours of Internet use,
compared to Canada, for instance, where 20 hours cost about $21. (Wall
Street Journal 14 Mar 97)
AT&T PLANS $9 BILLION DOLLAR UPGRADE
AT&T will invest up to $9 billion this year in upgrading its communications
network -- almost double what it usually budgets for such improvements.
About $5 billion of that will go toward the business-markets division to
beef up the backbone network, improve fast packet technology, and enhance
voice and local services. (Information Week 10 Mar 97)
LAWSUIT AGAINST AMERICA ONLINE
A new $100 million class action lawsuit against AOL has been filed in a U.S.
District Court in Los Angeles, alleging that the company engaged in
racketeering, mail fraud and wire fraud when it adopted a flat-fee $19.95 a
month pricing plan it knew would produce a huge surge of business that it
could not handle and would result in poor service to existing customers,
such as those who are filing the suit. America Online says the lawsuit is
frivolous. (Reuter 14 Mar 97)
TELEDESIC GETS APPROVAL FROM FCC
Teledesic, the privately owned company owned by Craig McCaw and Bill Gates,
has won FCC approval to proceed with its plans to launch an 840-satellite
computer network. In 1990, Teledesic's plan was to use an orbiting grid of
satellites to send data around the world, but the current plan is to provide
high-speed computer access by transmitting from a rooftop antenna to the
satellites in orbit. The Boeing Corporation could play a big part in
building or launching the satellites, and other companies are also likely to
help underwrite the $9-billion project. (Seattle Times 15 Mar 97)
PC MAKERS OFFER REBATES
Computer owners who purchased their machines between May 1, 1991 and May 1,
1995 may be eligible for a $13 rebate on their next purchase of a computer
monitor under a proposed settlement of a false-advertising class-action suit
against PC makers. The suit alleges that the computer companies advertised
that the monitors accompanying their systems were larger than the actual
viewing area size. IBM, Dell Computer Corp., Digital Equipment Corp.,
Hewlett-Packerd Co., Compaq Computer Corp. and Apple Computer Inc. are all
named in the lawsuit. Customers will receive a $13 coupon that may be
applied toward the purchase of a new monitor from any of the companies
named. The coupons will be good for three years, after which they'll be
redeemable for $6 cash. (St. Petersburg Times 17 Mar 97)
Enjoy the weekend.
Regards,
Moe S. Jallow
Hayes MicroComputer
Norcross, GA 30092
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mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:20:13 +0100
From: Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT
Message-ID: <3332C34D.51E6@kar.dec.com>
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Musa,
>I think it is a good idea to deal with an institution like
>Gambia College where it all partly begins... teachers are trained to go
>and train children from the early childhood stage to high school.......
thanks for answering my question concerning first- secondary-
highschool, urban or rural area. I agree, we can support all by
supporting future teachers.
>2. The college also trains candidates for the High Teacher >Certificate.In the past candidates for this program had to travel to >neighbouring universities and U.K
>The college has a continous inservice program to update and retrain
>already certified teachers (up to about 400-500 at a time). This >ofcuorse in addition to the preservice programs. All of these are >provided with the necessary supplies (pens, pencils.......).
>3. 90% of all high and middle school teachers in the country are
>non-Gambians
>4. In some schools non-Gambian teachers form 99%>
What about focussing on Gambian (future) teachers? Would this make
sense? Is it possible to direct the material to a specified group or is
it up to the director? !!!!I don't want the material to be sold!!!! Are
they using 3 1/4" diskettes?
>Anyway, this first one time donation that I am sending to the
>college, I will try the M Bags and see how that works. I will not mind >to include yours and send it on your behalf as well.
Sending the stuff from Germany to the States and from there to The
Gambia sounds not very economical. But I would propose to use a
reference like THE GAMBIA MAILING LIST or something like that, i.e. not
to send it on an individual basis but to make our initial one-time
contributions the opening of other ones to follow. What do you think?
Omar S. Saho: Thanks a lot for the advise! You gave me and others
valuable hints how to avoid disappointment and abuse of contributions.
Sorry, for the shipment I can't give you information. But what about
contacting Gambian based NGOs with UK/US/NO - branch (Tango) for space
in a container?
So long for now, happy weekend to all of you!
Andrea
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:14:18 -0800 (PST)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: News story
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970321111137.5513A-100000@saul3.u.washington.edu>
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13:13 GMT,
21 March
1997
AFP 1997
Gambia-groundnut : Gambian groundut output is "disastrous":
cooperative head
BANJUL, March 21 (AFP) - The production of groundnut oil in
Gambia has been "disastrous" this
year, the director general of the cooperatives for the
country's main agricultural product, Lamin
William Jammeh, said on Friday.
Total production this year amounted to 16,000 tonnes which
was half the amount produced in 1996.
The causes of the decline were low rainfall, inefficient
division of resources, exhaustion of arable
land, a shortage of seed and fertilizer, a lack of
cooperation between agricultural services and
peasant farmers, and an exodus from the countryside, he said.
Jammeh appealed for international help for the Gambia
Cooperative Union which serves as a bank
for the farmers and absorbs production.
The union, which was set up in 1959, has 110,000 members and
operates 84 collection points.
It was shaken in 1989 and 1993 by financial scandals, and
financiers withdrew guarantees.
========================================================================
Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
University of Washington
Box 353200
Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
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Date: 21 Mar 97 14:15:05 EST
From: "Dr. S. G. Kamara" <73244.2701@CompuServe.COM>
To: GAMBIA-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Swiss deputies move to freeze Mobutu billions of $$$$
Message-ID: <970321191504_73244.2701_FHO60-1@CompuServe.COM>
Forwarding from LEONENET FYI.
Kamara.
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TO: "LEONENET", INTERNET:LEONENET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
DATE: 3/21/97 6:43 AM
RE: Swiss deputies move to freeze Mobutu billions of $$$$
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Swiss-Zaire-assets : Swiss deputies move to freeze Mobutu
millions BERNE, March 20 (AFP) - A Swiss deputy has called on
the government to freeze assets deposited by President Mobutu
Sese Seko of Zaire in unnamed accounts. Socialist deputy
Christian Grobet put forward a motion proposing that the
accounts of those believed to have enriched themselves at the
expense of their people be immediately blocked and the identity
of the accounts revealed. He called on the government to keep
an eye on the funds deposited in Switzerland by Mobutu to stop
them disappearing, in the hope that they might be used to
rebuild Zaire. The motion was recorded, but the government will
not give its reply untilthe next parliamentary session.
Mobutu is thought to have salted away vast sums at his country's
expense during more than 30 years' rule. He has admitted keeping
accounts in Switzerland, but the value of the deposits is not
known. The Swiss press has speculated that his Swiss fortune
may total four billion dollars.
The Swiss government would be happy to avoid further controversy
over Mobutu, after being criticised for according the dictator
a visa last summer to receive treatment for prostate cancer and
convalesce in a luxury hotel on the shores of Lake Geneva.
The reputation of the Swiss banking system has also taken a
serious knock following allegations that Jewish gold stolen
during World War II is still tucked away in Swiss vaults. "In
the curerent circumstances, international public opinion will
not forgive the Swiss another Marcos affair," said Grobet.
The late Filipino president Ferdinand Marcos, deposed in 1986,
held some 500,000 dollars in Swiss accounts. The cash is still
frozen pending efforts to recover it by the current Manila
administration and those persecuted under Marcos's regime.
Switzerland has also provided a haven to the hived-off millions
of other rulers, including Haiti's Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier,
the executed Romanian despot Nicolae Ceaucescu, the former Malian
dictator Moussa Traore and General Manuel Antonio Noriega of
Panama.
gl/cm/mro
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1997
Zaire-Mobutu : Mobutu urges ceasefire, reconciliation as heads
home
(new series)
ROQUEBRUNE-CAP-MARTIN, France, March 20 (AFP) - Zaire's ailing
President Mobutu Sese Seko called Thursday for a ceasefire and
talks between all sides in Zaire on the eve of his expected
return to the crisis-hit central African country. Speaking from
his French Riviera villa where he is recovering from cancer,
Mobutu made no specific reference to armed rebels who have seized
a huge swathe of territory in the east of the country, but called
on all who love Zaire "to come together." "As I prepare to
return to my country and rejoin my people, I invite all Zaireans
to make a national restart," he said in his first official
statement for weeks, confirming he is to return to Kinshasa on
Friday. "I call on all those who have responsibility and who
love their country to come together immediately to resolve this
crisis," he said in a statement.
Mobutu's 32-year-old grip on power has been shaken by the
uprising, launched last October, which has seen Tutsi-led rebels
sweep westwards, seizing key towns including the strategic centre
of Kisangani, and sending ill-disciplined government troops
fleeing.
"A ceasefire must be implemented to end the suffering which our
people are enduring and to allow humanitarian aid to be
transported securely to those who need it," the beleaguered
Zairean strongman said. "A national council representing the
various strands and sensibilities, the army, parliament, must be
able to meet rapidly to find, with all our brothers without
exception, the appropriate path to end this situation which is
afflicting our country so severely," he added.
Mobutu and his embattled prime minister Kengo wa Dondo were
preparing to head home in a last-ditch effort to save their
crumbling regime from collapse at the hands of rebel forces.
Kengo, who had represented Zaire at a mini-summit of African
leaders on the Zairean crisis in Nairobi, returned from the
Kenyan capital to Kinshasa earlier Thursday afternoon.
Mobutu, 66, who has spent most of the past five months
recuperating in France following prostate cancer surgery, is due
to leave from Nice airport Friday morning, his son and spokesman
Mobutu Nzanga said earlier. "The important thing for him is his
return to the capital. For the good of the people, it is urgent
to find a diplomatic, and not a military solution to the
conflict," he said. He said that after arriving home, the
Zairean president would meet representatives of his country's
main institutions "and will talk with the military and diplomats
in Kinshasa to try to find a rapid solution to the situation."
"The political process, decided for a long time, must be set in
motion without delay to give our country stable institutions and
designate representatives who are freely chosen by the people,"
Mobutu concluded.
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Date: 21 Mar 97 14:17:34 EST
From: "Dr. S. G. Kamara" <73244.2701@CompuServe.COM>
To: GAMBIA-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: UNICEF Executive Director Applauds....
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UNICEF Executive Director Applauds Action
to Eliminate Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) in Africa
Calls World Health Organization's Regional Plan a "Model for All
Nations"
NEW YORK, March 20: Carol Bellamy, Executive Director of
the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF), applauded the new World
Health Organization (WHO) Regional Plan to Accelerate Elimination of
Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) in Africa, calling it "good news for
all of Africa and a model for all nations of the world."
The plan, which covers Western and Central Africa, was unveiled
this week in Yaounde, Cameroon in cooperation with UNICEF and with the
participation of the United Nations Fund for Population Activities
(UNFPA). It takes a three-prong approach: First, educating the public
and lawmakers about the need to eliminate FGM; second,
"de-medicalizing" FGM -- that is, tackling FGM on the basis that it is
a violation of human rights as well as a danger to women's health;
finally, working with the entire UN system to encourage every African
country to develop a national, culturally-specific plan to eradicate
FGM.
Events in Cameroon this week kick off the region's "Fight FGM Week"
and include live testimonials by girls who have undergone FGM.
Bellamy noted that the release of the regional plan will serve as a
prelude to an international campaign against FGM by United Nations
agencies, to be announced in April.
FGM is a dangerous procedure often performed with an unsterile
knife or razor, nearly always without anesthesia, to girls usually
between the ages of four and twelve. Part or all of the clitoris --
sometimes the inner lips of the vagina as well -- are amputated.
Hemorrhaging and infection often follow. The consequences, some of
which haunt a woman for the rest of her life, include pain, urinary
infection, incontinence, inability to reach orgasm, infertility,
psychological trauma and sometimes, death.
"Mutilation is not required by any religion," Bellamy points out.
"It is a tradition designed to preserve virginity, ensure
marriageability and control sexuality -- and one that only serves to
keep women `in their place.'" FGM is an explicit violation of the
Convention on the Rights of the Child, the 1989 international treaty
that UNICEF is working to uphold.
FGM is performed primarily in Africa, with Egypt,
Ethiopia, Kenya, Nigeria, Somalia and the Sudan accounting for 75% of
all cases. In Djibouti and Somalia, 98% of girls are mutilated. In
Sierra Leone, a powerful secret society recently cut the genitals of
about 600 girls in a camp for displaced people.
(more)
FGM Regional Plan
Page 2
Several African countries have begun to take steps to eliminate FGM,
but there remains an enormous distance to go. Sudan's ministries of
health and education are working with aid agencies on a school
curriculum on harmful traditional practices. Ivory Coast has drafted
a bill to ban FGM that is expected to be passed by the government
soon. In Burkina Faso, a law has been adopted that makes FGM an
offense punishable by a prison term of six months to 10 years and a
fine of up to $1,800.
It is also possible to find FGM in Asia, Europe, Canada and the
United States. In the U.S., as of March 27, 1997, practicing FGM will
become a crime punishable by a fine, a prison term of up to five
years, or both.
Bellamy believes that actions against FGM like those taken in
Africa and around the world spell real change for girls and women
everywhere. "We're finally seeing a ripple effect, where countries
are beginning to recognize that it is within their power to make this
violence stop."
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 20:37:36 +0000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Alghali Commission Submits Report
Message-ID: <19970321200518.AAA36678@LOCALNAME>
>From FOROYAA issue of 13 - 20 March 1997
-----------------------------------------------------------------
The members of the Commission of Inquiry into Government Departments
and their line ministries have submitted their reports.
In presenting their report, Justice Alghali said that "We are
concious of the fact that not everybody will be pleased with our
findings, particularly those who are adversely affected."
According to Justice Alghali:
During their investigations for Customs and Excise 182 witnesses
gave evidence and several were recalled again and again. there were
530 Exhibits.
For the Accountant General a total of 151 witnesses gave evidence,
there were 777 Exhibits.
Income Tax the number were 110, the total Exhibits were 260.
Memphis World Trade center the number of witnesses were 6, the total
Exhibits were 33.
Total liability for Accountant General's Department is
D33,890,630.62.
Total liability for Customs & Excise is D101,262,940.28.
Total liability for Income Tax is D36,771,197.59.
Total liability Memphis World Trade is D2,912,223.9.
Grand Total liability is D174,836,992.45
Total amount collected is D30,398,204.21
Balance to be collected is D144,438,788.24
_______________________________________
FOROYAA promised to review the Report in the the next issue.
Perhaps if there is anyone on the list with the Report, he or she
can enlighten us.
Momodou Camara
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:21:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Ylva Hernlund <yher@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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I have been following this wonderful planning of shipping supplies to
Gambia. I had this idea which might be completely unworkable, but I'll
throw it out there and see what ya'll think: I was working tonight
(waitressing...) at a fundraising event for a non-profit organization
called MiraMed. It is a group which promotes "tourism with a conscience."
The premise is very simple: tourists who go on MiraMed guided tours are
asked to bring two suitcases, one for themselves, one filled with needed
supplies for schools, orphanages, maternity wards and so on. Now,I'm
wondering if something like that could be done out of Scandinavia, for
example, where masses of tourists go to Gambia. There are some big
differences from the MiraMed situation: they target really rich people and
ask them to actually buy the stuff they take. Most European package
tourists are of much more modest means...but, what if the stuff was
colllected through other means and people were only asked to be carriers
(this is of course not a novel concept, I'm sure we have all asked
someone to bring stuff to Gambia when they go on vacation, but it is a
matter of scale and organization...) The other difference, of course, is
that this is actually a self-contained tour company, and I don't think any
of us want to create one of those. But--would it be totally insane to
approach, for example, Vingresor and plead that a flyer be included
explaining the program to people who buy tours to Gambia, and that someone
then coordinate hooking up with these folks? Considering the numbers of
tourists annually, if only a modest percentage agreed...we're talking a
lot of suitcases! I can foresee all kinds of problems: customs, airport
security ("did you pack this suitcase yourself? did anyone give you
anything to carry?"...), and so on, and of course we couldn't ask people
to haul tables and computers and stuff....I don't know...but I thought I'd
bring it up. There's not much I can personally do from here, hardly anyone
goes from Seattle to Gambia, but if anyone is interested, I took one of
their information packages and can mail it to anyone who might use it.
thanks for "listening" and keep up the good work! Ylva
On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, Andrea Klumpp wrote:
> Musa,
>
> >I think it is a good idea to deal with an institution like
> >Gambia College where it all partly begins... teachers are trained to go
> >and train children from the early childhood stage to high school.......
>
> thanks for answering my question concerning first- secondary-
> highschool, urban or rural area. I agree, we can support all by
> supporting future teachers.
>
> >2. The college also trains candidates for the High Teacher >Certificate.In the past candidates for this program had to travel to >neighbouring universities and U.K
> >The college has a continous inservice program to update and retrain
> >already certified teachers (up to about 400-500 at a time). This >ofcuorse in addition to the preservice programs. All of these are >provided with the necessary supplies (pens, pencils.......).
> >3. 90% of all high and middle school teachers in the country are
> >non-Gambians
> >4. In some schools non-Gambian teachers form 99%>
>
> What about focussing on Gambian (future) teachers? Would this make
> sense? Is it possible to direct the material to a specified group or is
> it up to the director? !!!!I don't want the material to be sold!!!! Are
> they using 3 1/4" diskettes?
>
> >Anyway, this first one time donation that I am sending to the
> >college, I will try the M Bags and see how that works. I will not mind >to include yours and send it on your behalf as well.
>
> Sending the stuff from Germany to the States and from there to The
> Gambia sounds not very economical. But I would propose to use a
> reference like THE GAMBIA MAILING LIST or something like that, i.e. not
> to send it on an individual basis but to make our initial one-time
> contributions the opening of other ones to follow. What do you think?
>
> Omar S. Saho: Thanks a lot for the advise! You gave me and others
> valuable hints how to avoid disappointment and abuse of contributions.
> Sorry, for the shipment I can't give you information. But what about
> contacting Gambian based NGOs with UK/US/NO - branch (Tango) for space
> in a container?
>
> So long for now, happy weekend to all of you!
> Andrea
>
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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 16:33:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU>
To: Ylva Hernlund <yher@u.washington.edu>
Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>, ;
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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HELLOW EVERYONE:
> >ANDREA:
You are right it would not make sense to mail things to
the U.S from Germany for them to be remailed to Gambia. I simply did not
realise that you currently lived in Germany. I could not tell from your
e-mail address. But if we do not give up and keep at it, hopefully sooner
or later we will find a satisfactory solution.
YLVA:
Yes, please if you send me the information you have I
will be glad to pursue it further. I THINK ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO FIND
OUT IF A PLAN IS WORKABLE OR NOT IS TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT IT.
ANDREA:
> > What about focussing on Gambian (future) teachers? Would this make
> > sense? Is it possible to direct the material to a specified group or is
> > it up to the director? !!!!I don't want the material to be sold!!!! Are
> > they using 3 1/4" diskettes?
> >
> > But I would propose to use a reference like THE GAMBIA MAILING LIST
or something like that, i.e. not to send it on an individual basis but to make our initial one-time
> > contributions the opening of other ones to follow.
What do you think?
ANSWER: (ABSOLUTELY, UNLESS SOME ONE HAS AN OBJECTION)
>
>
YES AND YES. FOCUSING ON GAMBIA COLLEGE WILL ADDRESS A LOT OFTHE
CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED HERE. WE WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
DEVELOPING CRITERIA FOR CHOOSING AN ELEMENTARY VS A HIGH
SCHOOL OR WHICH PARTICULAR SCHOOL. COMMUNICATIONS AND CONTACT WILL BE
MUCH EASIER THUS LIMITING THE NUMBER OF MIDDLE PERSONS INVOLVED. THE
DECENTRALIZATION ISSUE WILL ALSO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE GRADUATES FROM THE
COLLEGE ARE POSTED TO SCHOOLS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND THE INSERVICE
TRAINING COURSES RUN BY THE COLLEGE ARE FOR TEACHERS FROM SCHOOLS ALL OVER
THE COUNTRY. BY HELPING THE COLLEGE, WE WILL BE TOUCHING THE LIVES OF
ALMOST ALL CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. BESIDES, THE COLLEGE TODAY IS
DOING MUCH MORE THAN IT HAS DONE IN THE PAST (THE HTC PROGRAM FOR
EXAMPLE). IT IS AT A CROSSROADS WHERE IT IS TRYING TO DO ALOT MORE.FOR
THESE AND MANY OTHER GOOD REASONS,I THINK ANY SUPPORT IN ANY FORM WILL BE
VALUALABLE TO THEM.
I SINCERELY DO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF US IF NOT MANY OF US CAN
ALSO USE SOME SUPPORT WITH FINANCIAL AND OTHER CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE ON
DAILY,WEEKLY, MONTHLY...BASIS. BUT, I ALSO BELIEVE THAT AS YOU READ THIS
MAIL IF YOU LOOK AROUND YOU, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT YOU WILL FIND A PEN OR
PENCIL OR A COMPUTER DISC THAT YOU HAVE NOT USED AND MAY NEVER USE; OR A
TEXT BOOK OR SOME OTHER LITERATURE THAT YOU MAY NOT READ OR NEED AGAIN.
THE POINT IS EACH ONE OF US HAS A POTENTIAL TO CONTRIBUTE IN AT LEAST SOME
SMALL WAY. AND, OUR COLLECTIVE EFFORT MAY GO A LONG WAY.
ANDREA, I WILL FIND OUT FOR YOU WHAT SIZE DISKETTES THEY NEED.
I SUGGEST WE DEAL DIRECTLY WITH DR. BOJANG (THE VICE-PRINCIPAL). I HAVE
TALKED TO HIM SEVERAL TIMES AND I FIND HIM TO BE VERY POSITIVE. OFCOURSE,
I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF HIM BEFORE, BUT I THINK HE WILL COOPERATE WITH US
FULLY AND WILL HELP TO FOSTER THIS ENDEAVOUR. OFCOURSE, IF YOU WISH WHEN
YOU SEND SOMETHING TO HIM YOU CAN INCLUDE A COVER LETTER TO HIM COPIED TO
THE PRINCIPAL AND THE CHAIRPERSON OVER THE COLLEGE. I THINK THE COLLEGE
ADMINISTRATION IS IN A BETTER POSITION TO DECIDE WHERE THE RESOURCES ARE
NEEDED THE MOST.
OMAR saho: PLEASE WHEN YOU TRAVEL HOME THIS TIME, GO BY THE COLLEGE IF
YOU HAVE TIME AND GET US A FIRST HAND ACCOUNT.
THANK YOU EVERYONE. Musa
> >
>
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 00:06:11 +0000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: (Fwd) Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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To: Ylva Hernlund <yher@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:29:23
On 21 Mar 97 at 23:21, Ylva Hernlund wrote:
> I have been following this wonderful planning of shipping supplies
> to Gambia. I had this idea which might be completely unworkable,
> but I'll throw it out there and see what ya'll think: I was working
> tonight (waitressing...) at a fundraising event for a non-profit
> organization called MiraMed. It is a group which promotes "tourism
> with a conscience." The premise is very simple: tourists who go on
> MiraMed guided tours are asked to bring two suitcases, one for
> themselves, one filled with needed supplies for schools, orphanages,
> maternity wards and so on. Now,I'm wondering if something like that
> could be done out of Scandinavia, for example, where masses of
> tourists go to Gambia. There are some big differences from the
> MiraMed situation: they target really rich people and ask them to
> actually buy the stuff they take. Most European package tourists
> are of much more modest means...but, what if the stuff was
> colllected through other means and people were only asked to be
> carriers (this is of course not a novel concept, I'm sure we have
> all asked someone to bring stuff to Gambia when they go on vacation,
> but it is a matter of scale and organization...) The other
> difference, of course, is that this is actually a self-contained
> tour company, and I don't think any of us want to create one of
> those. But--would it be totally insane to approach, for example,
> Vingresor and plead that a flyer be included explaining the program
> to people who buy tours to Gambia, and that someone then coordinate
> hooking up with these folks? Considering the numbers of tourists
> annually, if only a modest percentage agreed...we're talking a lot
> of suitcases! I can foresee all kinds of problems: customs, airport
> security ("did you pack this suitcase yourself? did anyone give you
> anything to carry?"...), and so on, and of course we couldn't ask
> people to haul tables and computers and stuff....I don't know...but
> I thought I'd bring it up. There's not much I can personally do from
> here, hardly anyone goes from Seattle to Gambia, but if anyone is
> interested, I took one of their information packages and can mail it
> to anyone who might use it. thanks for "listening" and keep up the
> good work! Ylva
I have just contacted the Chairman of the Danish Gambian Friendship
Society (Gambias venner) about the sending of School and Hospital
materials to the Gambia. They can transport any of these materials in
the containers they usually send to the Gambia free of charge. The
only condition is that the materials should reach Denmark inorder for
them to be shipped. There might be similar organizations in Sweden
and Norway but If there is anyone on the list in Scandinavia who
wants to send materials for schools or clinics, you are welcome to
call or write to Per Hausmann, Klcvervej 8, 8450 Hammel, Denmark.
Phone (+45) 86963291.
Momodou Camara
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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:57:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU>
To: Numukunda Darboe <ndarboe@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
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Subject: Re: PROPOSAL/FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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BASS/NUMUKUNDA DARBOE: Thanks for that info; It helped.
OMAR SAHO/ASBOJN NORDAM/MODOU CAMARA: A lot of positive stuff is going on
in your area with regards to support for education in the
Gambia. You surely have set a good example. Modou Camara I wish I
could take advantage of that oppurtunity. I am sure others in your area
will.
Those of us in North America hopefully,sooner or later, will get
something as structured as you all have it in your area.
Ylva: Sorry, I did not give the address. I will send it to your personal
e-mail.
Thanks all. Musa
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