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GAMBIA-L Digest 52
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Daily Observer Online
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
2) Re: Daily Observer Online
by Lamin Camara <masada@yesic.com>
3) Re:Suggestions for the parliament.
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
4) Introduction from Isatou Sarr
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
5) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
6) RE: Nationalism & National Developmant
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
7) Re: Introduction from Isatou Sarr
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
8) Daily Observer On-line
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
9) Re Daily observer on line
by "BOJANG,BUBA" <BBOJANG@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
10) Algeria Massacre
by buba bojang <bbojang@music.transy.edu>
11) [Fwd: The Online Independent Wednesday, Jan. 15 - 21, (fwd)
by saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
12) I HAVE A DREAM !!!! (fwd)
by saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
13) news
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
14) correct address
by "BOJANG,BUBA" <BBOJANG@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
15) Re: New member
by Saloum Malang <9320083@talabah.iiu.my>
16) ZAKATUL FITR
by Senessie Turay <9210077@talabah.iiu.my>
17) RE: NATIONAL ASSEMBLY ELECTIONS
by "Jobarteh, Momodou" <Momodou.Jobarteh@hordaland.vegvesen.no>
18) Africa- Health
by "Matarr M. Jeng." <mmjeng@image.dk>
19) Re: Gambian Politics
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
20) Re: ZAKATUL FITR
by "tgr" <tgrotnes@online.no>
21) RE: NATIONAL ASSEMBLY ELECTIONS
by jj.17@aof-kbh.dk
22) Forwarded: Proj DIRs/Interns/Volntrs [AFRICA][BRAZIL] -summer (fwd)
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
23) comment on election/tribalism
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
24) Re: comment on election/tribalism
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
25) Fwd: NEWS FROM THE GAMBIA
by TSaidy1050@aol.com
26) ERaM: Conference: African-American Research
by "Dr. S. G. Kamara" <73244.2701@CompuServe.COM>
27) Re:NEWS FROM THE GAMBIA
by JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
28) Re: comment on election/tribalism
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
29) new member
by "N'Deye Marie Njie" <njie.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>
30) Fwd: Postdoc for African American Scholars
by saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
31) Re: Fwd: Postdoc for African American Scholars
by Francis Njie <francis_njie@il.us.swissbank.com>
32) Re: Fwd: Postdoc for African American Scholars
by saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
33) Re: Fwd: Postdoc for African American Scholars
by Debbie Proctor <proctord@u.washington.edu>
34) New members
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
35) Re: Fwd: Postdoc for African American Scholars
by Francis Njie <francis_njie@il.us.swissbank.com>
36) Re: Fwd: Postdoc for African American Scholars
by saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
37) Introduction to the list
by Greg Fegan <gfegan@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
38) Re: Postdoc for African American Scholars
by Mbk007@aol.com
39) RE: Fwd: NEWS FROM THE GAMBIA
by Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
40) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
41) observations on gambia-l
by JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
42) Please! Please!!! Accept my apology. (fwd)
by saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
43) Re: Postdoc for African American Scholars (fwd)
by saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
44) Re: OBSERVATION ON GAMBIA-L
by JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
45) NEWS ON GAMBIA
by TSaidy1050@aol.com
46) RE: Postdoc for African American Scholars
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
47) Re: observations on gambia-l
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
48) Re:NEWS FROM THE GAMBIA
by "BALA SAHO" <B.S.Saho@sussex.ac.uk>
49) Re: observations on gambia-l
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
50) Re: observations on gambia-l
by Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu>
51) Apology to all !!! (fwd)
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
52) Fwd: Postdoc for African American Scholars
by Mbk007@aol.com
53) Re: Apology to all !!! (fwd)
by "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
54) Re: Please! Please!!! Accept my apology. (fwd)
by Debbie Proctor <proctord@u.washington.edu>
55) NEW MEMBER
by "SISSOHO EM" <E.M.Sissoho@icsl.ac.uk>
56) RE:observations on Gambia-l
by JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
57) Re: comment on election/tribalism
by "BEYAI" <P.L.Beyai@newcastle.ac.uk>
58) RE:OBSERVATIONS ON GAMBIA-L
by JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
59) A good tip?
by "tgr" <tgrotnes@online.no>
60) Re: observations on gambia-l
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
61) RE:observations on Gambia-l
by "BALA SAHO" <B.S.Saho@sussex.ac.uk>
62) Forwarding an intro.
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
63) RE: observations on Gambia-l
by Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
64) On Sisokho
by ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
65) Baba Gale Jallow's e-mail address
by Francis Njie <francis_njie@il.us.swissbank.com>
66) Forwarded from Fatou Njie
by "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
67) Re: On Sisokho
by Yaya Jallow <yj0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>
68) REQUEST DENIED!!
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
69) REQUEST DENIED!!!
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
70) 'THE ARCH 22 FIASCO'
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
71) introduction
by "SIRLEAF,ANSUMANA" <ASIRLEAF@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
72) New member
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
73) Re: New member
by Marie Saine <9540008@talabah.iiu.my>
74) Fwd: UN: Human Rights Defenders
by momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
75) [Fwd: Re: 'Political reasoning']
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
76) Re: New member
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
77) RE: REQUEST DENIED!!!
by Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
78) FW: REQUEST DENIED!!!
by Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
79) South Africa- Aids.
by "Matarr M. Jeng." <mmjeng@image.dk>
80) Relevant Quotes
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
81) New member
by Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
82) Re: Political Reasoning II
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
83) Re: FW: REQUEST DENIED!!!
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
84) Re: Request for list subscription
by Debbie Proctor <proctord@u.washington.edu>
85) New member
by sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
86) tip of the week
by Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
87) Re: 'THE ARCH 22 FIASCO'
by Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu>
88) SIGNING OF ON - RE: FW: REQUEST DENIED!!!
by Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
89) RE:observations on Gambia-l
by "Famara A. Sanyang" <famaraas@amadeus.cmi.no>
90) Re: 'THE ARCH 22 FIASCO'
by Ousman Gajigo <gajigoo@wabash.edu>
91) Re: tip of the week
by Debbie Proctor <proctord@u.washington.edu>
92) OBSERVATION
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
93) Comparison(Jawara,Jammeh
by "BOJANG,BUBA" <BBOJANG@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
94) Re: 'THE ARCH 22 FIASCO'
by BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
95) Introduction
by Jkrubally@aol.com
96) Rethinking Basic Education
by KTouray@aol.com
97) Re: New member
by MJagana@aol.com
98) Fwd: Re: Re: Retrieve
by binta@iuj.ac.jp
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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 12:13:49 +0000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Daily Observer Online
Message-ID: <19970119111333.AAA7346@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
We have started to collect names of those interested in subscribing
to the Daily Observer Online for only US$10 per annum. Please send in you name to
me if you are interested in being included in the poll..
Regards
Momodou Camara
*****************************************
Momodou Camara
Charlotte Muncksvej 20.3th
DK-2400 Copenhagen NV
Denmark
Phone/Fax (+45 35829210)
E-Mail:-mcamara@post3.tele.dk
momodou@inform-bbs.dk
URL:- http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara
********************************************
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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 10:17:09 -0800
From: Lamin Camara <masada@yesic.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Daily Observer Online
Message-ID: <32E26525.2C23@yesic.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Camara, Momodou wrote:
>
> Gambia-l,
> We have started to collect names of those interested in subscribing
> to the Daily Observer Online for only US$10 per annum. Please send in you name to
> me if you are interested in being included in the poll..
>
> Regards
> Momodou Camara
> *****************************************
> Momodou Camara
> Charlotte Muncksvej 20.3th
> DK-2400 Copenhagen NV
> Denmark
> Phone/Fax (+45 35829210)
>
> E-Mail:-mcamara@post3.tele.dk
> momodou@inform-bbs.dk
> URL:- http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara
> ********************************************
Momodou:
I am interested in subscribing to the paper; please include my.
Thanks.
Lamin Camara.
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:36:07 +0100
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re:Suggestions for the parliament.
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970120083607.006905b0@alfred.uib.no>
Mime-Version: 1.0
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Karamba!
Nice piece! With such incentives, are we bound to progress. Bass asked how
this and maybe other Gambia-L's material can be made avilable to the
National Assembly. Can Tombomg Saidy give us any advice on this.
Peace!
::)))Abdou Oujimai
At 17:42 18.01.97 -0500, you wrote:
>This being the very first week our distinguished members of parliament are
>reporting to serve as representatives of a nation embarked on a precarious
>path toward progress, I found myself somewhat compelled to dole out a
>handful of unsolicited advise. I, like most people am convinced that this is
>a group consisting of well-intentioned if to a large extent inexperienced
>group of citizens who at the end would like to have accomplished something
>positive and consequential. To a large extent their success or failure both
>as an institution and the very fate of our democracy is predicated on
>wheather they vigorously pursue the following :
>
>1-Move quickly to strengthen the institution by voting into law the creation
>of an office (Parliamentary Accounting Office ) that would be answerable
>only to law makers. It's purpose would be to conduct enquiries, studies and
>help with general oversight of gov't as requested by the MPs..Officials of
>this entity would be strictly professionals who would be barred from
>exhibiting any partisan leanings. To make their task even more effective MPs
>would be wise to devide themselves into comittees say Agriculture, Health and
>Education, Tourism and investment etc. This way if the MPs are less than
>satisfied with a specific policy they would be in a position to investigate
>and get a second opinion.Good governance necessitates one branch constantly
> feeling as if every step they take would be scrutinised. This would also
>ensure that the majority 's ability to railroad controversial policies is
>checked by ensuring that everything passes the muster before becoming law.
>
>2-Strengthen current media laws so that journalists and media outlets are
>able to do their jobs unimpeded. Imformation is what feeds democracy by
>ensuring that people are kept adequately abrest of events.With the gov't
>having a firm grip on the largest media in the country, the people have been
>settling for bland and truncated versions of what is going on in their gov't
>all these years. It is time to adapt a two-pronged media improvement
>strategy. First divest the gov't interest in all media including Radio Gambia
>and TV and declare both asa single semi corporation. Require that the
>corporation be overseen by a multipartisan board. Editorial control would
>have to be the sole responsibility of management who would be required only
>to show fairness by presenting all positions of all parties within a poltical
>debate. This would provide the nation with sufficient information and at the
>same time turn the radio and tv to a robust media as opposed to the dull and
>uninteresting behemoth it is today. Reproters hands can be strengthened by
>requiring gov't officials to adequately answer journalists enquiries. Our
>democracy cannot survive if every bereaucrat can hide behind secrecy laws
>that have nothing to do with national security but successfully thwarts
>reporters quest to unearth wrongdoing. To remedy this i believe legislation
>expanding media access would be a step in the right direction.
>
>3-The House being the premeire deliberative body of the nation i would urge
>you the members to use it to entrench the roots of democracy in the nation as
>a whole. You will do us a greatdeal of service as a nation if you provide us
>the leadership we entrusted you with by examplifying the basic tenets of
>participatory democracy. You must gradually instill in people that good
>governance is predicated on free flow of ideas, disagreements , concession
>building and finally the prevailance of what is for the common good. Through
>you the country must see a willingness to forgo personal feelings and
>relationships if they become impediments to the business of the nation.You
>must also set the tone of the national agenda as opposed to waiting for the
>executive branch to be constantly ahead of you. I realise the majority of you
>are allied to the ruling party but that does not preclude you from being the
>best law makers you can be once you remember that voting with your conceinse
> sometimes may mean bolting your party line
>
>I hope you make a difference.
>
>Karamba
>
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:36:05 +0000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Introduction from Isatou Sarr
Message-ID: <19970120083559.AAA10240@LOCALNAME>
------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:58:00 +0800 (SGT)
From: Iasaton Sarr <9320060@talabah.iiu.my>
To: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk
Subject: Re: Membership to Gambia-l
I am Isatou Sarr from the Gambia. I am a third year BBA undergradaute
student at the International Islamic University Malaysia. I am very
delighted to be part of this family and I hope I will contribute to the
list. I wish you all happy new year and Ramadan Mubarak.
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:48:24 +0000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <19970120084816.AAA20156@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Saloum Malang has been added to the list and as a custom, we expect to
have an introduction from him. Welcome to the Gambia-l Malang , please
send an introduction of yourself to the list.
Regards
Momodou Camara
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:02:24 +0100
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: Nationalism & National Developmant
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970120100224.0068c0a4@alfred.uib.no>
Mime-Version: 1.0
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Bala!
You asked:
"...What role can nationalism play in national development?"
In my opinion, "nationalism" (NOTE: not fanaticism) is our (Africa) only
safety valve from the extent to which we are still dependent on the West. A
reasonable nationalist puts the interest of his/her country first, then
follows the list downwards, region (we may call it "regionalism") and then
"internationalism". I appreciate the state of a global inter-dependency but
we all (North, South, East and West) must start living like one.If our
post-independence leaders did listen to the cries of Kwame Nkurumah, Ahmed
Sekou Touray, Nyerere and etc, we would have been in a different place today.
Peace
::)))Abdou Oujimai
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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 13:23:12 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Introduction from Isatou Sarr
Message-ID: <3100C290.3D5B@QATAR.NET.QA>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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Camara, Momodou wrote:
>=20
> ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:58:00 +0800 (SGT)
> From: Iasaton Sarr <9320060@talabah.iiu.my>
> To: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk
> Subject: Re: Membership to Gambia-l
>=20
> I am Isatou Sarr from the Gambia. I am a third year BBA undergradaute
> student at the International Islamic University Malaysia. I am very
> delighted to be part of this family and I hope I will contribute to the
> list. I wish you all happy new year and Ramadan Mubarak.
Isatou!!
Welcome to the Penchabi!Just feel free to express yourself,and keep up
the good work down there in Malaysia.
Regards Basss!!=20
--=20
SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:57:28 +0000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Daily Observer On-line
Message-ID: <19970120125723.AAA20128@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Here is the list of those interested in subsribing to Daily Observer
Online for only US$10 per annum. Please send me your name if you
are interested in subscribing too and your name is not on the list.
1 Momodou Camara mcamara@post3.tele.dk
2 Matarr .M.Jeng mmjeng@image.dk
3 Peter daCosta ipspdc@harare.iafrica.com
4 Karamba Touray KTouray@aol.com
5 Asbjcrn Nordam asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk
6 Francis Njie francis_njie@il.us.swissbank.com
7 Abdou Touray at137.columbia.edu
8 Tony Loum tloum@u.washington
9 Andrea klumpp klumpp@kar.dec.com
10 Lamin Camara masada@yesic.com
11 Bassirou Drammeh kolls567@qatar.net.qa
12 Musa .K. Jawara Mjawara@aol.com
13 Numukunda Darboe ndarboe@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu
14 Sarian Loum sarian@osmosys.incog.com
15 Abdou Gibba Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no
16 Fatou Khan 0702fk@jtp.brock.dk
17 Malanding .S.Jaiteh msjaiteh@mtu.edu
18 Omar Njie 964njie@alpha.nlu.edu
19 Amadou Faal ALFALL@papl.com
20 Debbie Proctor proctord@u.washington.edu
21 Ylva Hernlund yher@u.washington.edu
22 Moe Jallow mjallow@st6000.sct.edu
23 N'dey Marie Njie njie@postbox.asc.ohio.state.edu
24 Soffie .B. Ceesay CEESAY_SOFFIE@EMS.PRC.COM
25 Dann Ott dott@aed.aed.org
26 Lamin Drammeh binta@iuj.ac.jp
27 Yaya Jallow yj0001@jove.acs.unt.edu
28 Jainum Jatta jj.17@aof-kbh.dk
29 Isatou .B. Kaira kaiisa@hs.nki.no
30 Ndey Drameh NDRAMME@wpo.it.luc.edu
31 Ba Musa Ceesay Ba-Musa.Ceesay@Oslo.Norad.telemax.no
32 Mats Utbult m_utbult@algonet.se
33 Amadou Scattred Janneh AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us
34 Momodou Jagana mjagana@aol.com
35 Leonora N'Dow linguere@aol.com
36 Ya Soffie Sarr msarr@sprynet.com
37 Isatou Secka isatou@Glue.umd.edu
38 Binta Njie njie@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu
39 Pa Lamin Beyai P.L.Beyai@newcastle.ac.uk
40 Bayard Lyons blyons@aed.aed.org
41 Famara A. Sanyang famaraas@amadeus.cmi.no
42 Heidi Skramstad heidis@amadeus.cmi.no
Best regards
Momodou
*****************************************
Momodou Camara
Charlotte Muncksvej 20.3th
DK-2400 Copenhagen NV
Denmark
Phone/Fax (+45 35829210)
E-Mail:-mcamara@post3.tele.dk
momodou@inform-bbs.dk
URL:- http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara
********************************************
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:36:59 EST
From: "BOJANG,BUBA" <BBOJANG@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re Daily observer on line
Message-ID: <20JAN97.10385915.0053.MUSIC@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
Tony,
Please I am interested in the newspaper and do subscribe me.
Thanks Buba Bojang
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:56:38 -0800
From: buba bojang <bbojang@music.transy.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Algeria Massacre
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:17:54 -0800 (PST)
From: saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: [Fwd: The Online Independent Wednesday, Jan. 15 - 21, (fwd)
Message-ID: <9701202217.AA35346@leed.chem.ubc.ca>
Content-Type: text
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:11:12 -0600
> > From: yaw asiedu <mya398@mail.usask.ca>
> > To: oguocha@sask.usask.ca
> > Subject: The Online Independent Wednesday, Jan. 15 - 21, 1997 -- Page 18
> >
> > http://www.ghana.africaonline.com/AfricaOnline/news
> > stand/independent/1/page18.html
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > [Image]
> >
> > Rawlings Is A False Democrat
> > - Nobel Laurette Wole Soyinka
> >
> > Intro- Nigeria & Africa's Nobel Laurette Wole Soyinka is a sworn
> > enemy of military dictatorships. He is not amused at all by the
> > latter - day declaration to democratic values, soldiers who wrecked
> > constitutional rule are making. In an exclusive interview with the
> > editor of our sister paper Ashanti Independent- Ivor Agyemang Duah,
> > Soyinka gave his views on wide range of issues including President
> > Rawlings' victory. Kindly read on.
> >
> > [Image] [Image]Question (Q) : Since you left Nigeria you have
> > toured some African countries- South Africa,
> > Zimbabwe and met with Nelson Mandela in South Africa to
> > discuss the Nigerian situation .
> >
> > [Image]You were alleged to have discussed with Mandela the
> > possibility of a military insurgence against Abacha. What
> > has been the support for you so far?
> >
> > [Image]Answer (A): First of all, I have never recommended that
> > Abacha be overthrown by military action. My whole intention
> > is to put an end to military adventurism once and for all. I never
> > called for military intervention but if that happens, we will make
> > the same demands of the new military regime- hand over power
> > quickly to the lawfully elected representative of the people who is
> > in jail right now and let him run a government of national unity.
> > We believe Abacha's regime should be overthrown by civil action,
> > civil disobedience because he is one of the most ruthless killers
> > the continent has ever known. All along, we count on civil actions
> > which we are working with. We've had the support of various African
> > governments as well as foreign sympathetic democratic governments
> > and institutions to assist in empowering the people in various
> > ways.
> >
> > [Image]In all, it has been a mix bag. Abacha's regime for instance
> > has managed through various means to temper the fire of
> > Mandela which was blazing especially after the execution of Ken
> > SaroWiwa and others. We know the heart of South Africa is in the
> > right place even though the policy of South Africa is these days
> > ambivalent.
> >
> > [Image]Nigeria today has a minority government which like the
> > government in Ghana is hostile and negative. This does not
> > surprise me because Rawlings is after all a false democrat whom
> > Abacha is trying to imitate. His project is to shed the uniform and
> > become a civilian President.
> >
> > [Image]Q: When you went to South Africa, what did you discuss with
> > Mandela because it became a bit controversial in Britain
> > where I was then. The Guardian for instance reported that Mandela
> > promised you military support?
> >
> > [Image]A: One thing I can assure you is, Mandela and I did not
> > discuss military assistance at all. I will be very foolish
> > to ask that of the South Africa regime which is not in a position
> > to embark on any kind of adventurism right now. South Africa has
> > stated over and over that it does not want to become the police
> > intervention force of the African continent.
> >
> > [Image]Yes, we discussed the situation in Nigeria, the issue of
> > sanctions and Mandela's earlier lead for the imposition of
> > oil embargo on Nigeria. I also met with Desmond Tutu and beyond
> > telling you that Mandela remains a true democrat, I cannot give you
> > the details of the discussions.
> >
> > [Image]Q: In Zimbabwe you also met with Vice-President Nkomo who
> > said there was not much opposition in Nigeria itself for
> > others to give you helping hand. Do you think there is?
> >
> > [Image]A: There is but the opposition has been very brutally put
> > down. Leaders of the various democracy movements are in
> > jail- trade union leaders, journalists and editors have been
> > sentenced to long prison terms; some on non-existent charges.
> > Inspite of that, the resistance continues because Nigeria has one
> > of the most irrepressible underground press anywhere in the world
> > in the history of oppression. The Abacha regime continues to harass
> > journalists, burn down media houses but resistance continues.
> >
> > [Image]Remember there has also been acts of Sabotage- burning of
> > airport, police headquarters by state agents, the
> > questionable gunning of presidential plane; so a lot of things go
> > on which people fail to put together as part of the concerted
> > resistance of people manifesting itself in various ways.
> >
> > [Image]I think people tend to oversimplify things when they say
> > there is no resistance in Nigeria. The resistance is up
> > against the most dangerous machinery of repression ever experienced
> > on the African continent.
> >
> > [Image]Since the days of Idi Amin and South Africa. There has been
> > nothing to equal it.
> >
> > [Image]Q: Events in Nigeria should surprise you a bit. Before the
> > Ghana election in 1992, you warned the Babangida Government
> > that Nigeria is not like Ghana when he made attempts to civilianise
> > himself but what is happening in Nigeria now is worse?
> >
> > [Image]A: You are absolutely right.
> >
> > [Image]The warning was seriously meant and still applies to
> > Abacha. Sometimes the forces of political evil appear to
> > triumph but as long as the nature of the entity over which evil
> > appears to triumph remains the same, believe me, the days of the
> > oppressor are numbered.
> >
> > [Image]Abacha believes that what Babangida failed to do, he can
> > achieve by absolute ruthlessness. In fact he has confided
> > in some of his cronies that the mistake Babangida made was that he
> > allowed some people to think that they were untouchable. He was
> > referring to people like Obasango and Yaradua. That was why he
> > deliberately fabricated this non-existent coup just to put in jail
> > not only Obasanjo and Yaradua but others he feared most on trumped
> > up charges.
> >
> > [Image]Take the case of Ransom Kuti, the Chairman of Campaign for
> > Democracy sentenced to jail for fifteen years because he
> > faxed or rather his machine was used to fax abroad the proceedings
> > of one of the testimonies of one of Abacha's victims to the
> > opposition.
> >
> > [Image]This is all the charge for which he is serving fifteen
> > years at a secret trial.
> > [Image]
> > [Image]Abacha's method is taking a lot of Nigerians by surprise.
> > I'm not saying this without any excessive pride but I am
> > one of the very few people whom this did not take by surprise. You
> > need to refer to an article I wrote after Abacha took over Nigeria
> > in which I warned that, there would be no methods that this man
> > would not use.
> >
> > [Image]In this article which was later published by the New York
> > Times, I warned that we have studied all the people in the
> > military with ambition and that Abacha would kill, torture, kidnap
> > and do anything at all to remain in power. I said this was a
> > different creature from Babangida.
> >
> > [Image]The problem is that Nigerians were not prepared. All the
> > energy and strategy went to the overthrow of Babangida and
> > the continued resistance after that through the puppet regime of
> > Shonekan.
> >
> > [Image]Abacha not surprising to a few of us turned to be a
> > creature of pure instinct, greed for material possession
> > and lust for power. He understands nothing outside of that and so
> > Nigerians were caught by surprise. They could not believe that
> > anybody of Abacha's really lamentably low mental capacity could
> > dream of wanting to run a country like Nigeria. They underestimated
> > the extent of his ambition and saw him running his own personal
> > assassination squad as they do in Latin America. This squad was
> > responsible for the death of Abiola's wife- Kudirat.
> >
> > [Image]I remember calling him a stone-age dictator. He called his
> > friends and asked," they call me a stone-age dictator. Why?
> > I haven't done anything." He had not done anything yet but I knew
> > what he was going to do.
> >
> > [Image]Q: Abacha surprised the world when he killed Ken Saro Wiwa.
> > Your own life many thought was in danger. Now that you are
> > outside of Nigeria, do you feel this danger?
> >
> > [Image]A: It is not that I feel the danger, it is very real.
> >
> > [Image]I'm very pragmatic. From time to time, we receive
> > intelligence reports of actual motions towards carrying out
> > Abacha's orders.
> >
> > [Image]The security services in this country have been involved
> > from time to time (and even in Europe) trying to give me
> > extraordinary protection. Generally I carry on my duties as
> > normally as I can.
> >
> > [Image]Q: In the 1960s when most of sub-Saharan countries attained
> > independence, there were hopes. In 1957 Ghana and Malaysia
> > had their independence. The prediction was that Ghana was going to
> > develop faster than Malaysia.
> >
> > [Image]In the 1970s everybody thought with the oil boom, Nigeria
> > would lead Africa. All these have failed. You wrote
> > 'Kongi's Harvest' in such a state of despair. Now we have the Open,
> > Sore of A Continent! Which of these two periods is better in terms
> > of even retrogressing and at a time when the Cold War is also over?
> >
> > [Image]A: Sometimes one cannot escape the old cliche of the good
> > old days, because in retrospect now, those early immediate
> > post-independence days seem to us like paradise; not so much
> > because of what was achieved but because of the spirit. As a
> > remark, my generation saw itself as the renaissance people- we were
> > going to make the continent rival all the achievements of Europe
> > and America, East and West Blocks no matter what.
> >
> > [Image]We saw absolutely no limit to our capacity to transform our
> > environment. The only thing we felt was holding us back was
> > the colonial repression- The emasculation of our vision and our
> > various directions.
> >
> > [Image]Unfortunately our leadership was interested in
> > consolidating their base of power. Much as I admired what
> > Kwame Nkrumah tried to do, I was at the time one of his critics. He
> > introduced the personality cult into the African Continent which
> > was later taken over by Banda who sort of studied under him after
> > he left his exile in Europe. He went to Malawi and practised it. So
> > we had a civilian dictatorship of the left in Ghana and civilian
> > dictatorship of the right in Malawi. Other people then took the
> > cue-Sekou Toure in Guinea who spent all his energy building a
> > machinery of terror which consumed even the first Secretary-General
> > of the Organisation of African Unity.
> >
> > [Image]So when people like me refuse to stop our criticism of
> > African leadership others criticise us and say we are
> > denigrating African leadership but my loyalty is to the masses of
> > the people and not the leadership. For me, the masses have been
> > betrayed again and again.
> >
> > [Image]Few of our leaders in post-independence era understood what
> > independence or liberation was all about.
> >
> > [Image]So the first problem was the development of the personality
> > cult and leadership as apposed to the cult of service. The
> > wasting of resources of the people not towards their development,
> > not towards the elevation of the quality of their life-
> > productivity of their energy, their talents, but simply, towards
> > consolidating their power-building monuments towards their own self
> > glorification. And to correct this, it has become a hurricane,
> > almost impossible task to overcome.
> >
> > [Image]The military of course took a look at the civilians and
> > said. "wait a minute.
> >
> > [Image]Look at these ones. They are enjoying life and we are
> > sitting in the barracks. And they are not even there by the
> > mandate of the people. They turn themselves into one party state,
> > rigging elections. So if they can rig elections, we can do it with
> > the gun." So the cult of militarism took over and of course the
> > military dictatorship had to consolidate themselves against similar
> > ambition within their own rank. So most of the socially creative
> > energy went into the process of consolidation. And these
> > instruments or agencies of terror eat a lot of money. And it
> > becomes a habit so that even if you have much of oil, much of it
> > goes towards self-glorification.
> >
> > [Image]So between "Kongi's Harvest" and "The Open Sore of a
> > Continent," I'm afraid there have been very few glimpses of
> > hope in Africa.
> >
> > Cont. next week.
> >
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:37:56 -0800 (PST)
From: saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: I HAVE A DREAM !!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <9701202337.AA03526@leed.chem.ubc.ca>
Content-Type: text
> Subject: I Have a Dream
> Author: afolabi@ENGR.IUPUI.EDU at internet
> Date: 1/20/97 14:32
>
>
> In the US, today is dedicated to the slain Civil Rights Leader,
> the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Nobel Laurate. Here, for
> your perusal, is the famous speech.
> ------------
> Dare Afolabi
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
>
> I HAVE A DREAM
>
> by
>
> MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
>
> -------
> Delivered on the steps at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C.
> on August 28, 1963.
> -------
>
> Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we
> stand signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree
> came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who
> had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a
> joyous daybreak to end the long night of captivity.
>
> But one hundred years later, we must face the tragic fact that the
> Negro is still not free. One hundred years later, the life of the
> Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the
> chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives
> on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of
> material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still
> languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an
> exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize an
> appalling condition.
>
> In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check.
> When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of
> the Constitution and the declaration of Independence, they were
> signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir.
> This note was a promise that all men would be guarranteed the
> inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
>
> It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory
> note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of
> honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people
> a bad check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we
> refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to
> believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of
> opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check -- a
> check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the
> security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to
> remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to
> engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing
> drug of gradualism. Now is the time to rise from the dark and
> desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice.
> Now is the time to open the doors of opportunity to all of God's
> children. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of
> racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood.
>
> It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the
> moment and to underestimate the determination of the Negro. This
> sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass
> until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality.
> Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope
> that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will
> have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual.
> There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro
> is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will
> continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day
> of justice emerges.
>
> But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the
> warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the
> process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of
> wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by
> drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
>
> We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity
> and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate
> into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic
> heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new
> militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to
> distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as
> evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that
> their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is
> inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.
>
> And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead.
> We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of
> civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be
> satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of
> travel,cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the
> hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's
> basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can
> never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and
> a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No,
> no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice
> rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.
>
> I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great
> trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow
> cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom
> left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the
> winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative
> suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering
> is redemptive.
>
> Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to Georgia, go
> back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern
> cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed.
> Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.
>
> I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties
> and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream
> deeply rooted in the American dream.
>
> I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out
> the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-
> evident: that all men are created equal."
>
> I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of
> former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to
> sit down together at a table of brotherhood.
>
> I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert
> state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression,will be
> transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
>
> I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation
> where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the
> content of their character.
>
> I have a dream today.
>
> I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's
> lips are presently dripping with the words of inter position and
> nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little
> black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little
> white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and
> brothers.
>
> I have a dream today.
>
> I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every
> hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made
> plain,and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of
> the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
>
> This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the
> South. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of
> despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to
> transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful
> symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work
> together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail
> together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be
> free one day.
>
> This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing
> with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of
> liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the
> pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring."
>
> And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let
> freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let
> freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring
> from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania!
>
> Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Colorado!
>
> Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California!
>
> But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia!
>
> Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee!
>
> Let freedom ring from every hill and every molehill of Mississippi.
> From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
>
> When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and
> every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to
> speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white
> men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to
> join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free
> at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:36:42 -0500 (EST)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
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MIAMI, Jan. 16 (UPI) _ A man from a small West African village who
made a fortune in hotels, oil wells and gold mines faces a possible
stint in a federal prison after pleading guilty to offering an illegal
payment.
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Mali resident Foutanga Dit Babani Sissoko and three co-defendants
admit they offered a U.S. Customs agent $30,000 in return for releasing
two impounded helicopters.
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The four entered guilty pleas in a Miami federal court Wednesday and
now await a March 4 sentencing date. Each could be sent to prison for
two years and fined $250,000.
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Federal agents impounded two Vietnam-era TH-1F helicopters that
Sissoko's New York-based Negoce International was trying to export to
Gambia ``for humanitarian purposes.''
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The firm had no license required by the State Department for export
of military surplus and an informant alerted authorities.
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Miami attorney Ted Klein says the choppers had been in civilian use
in the U.S. for years and they no longer are equipped for the military.
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``They have the same military value as a 1963 jeep,'' he says.
<p>
Klein also insists the offer of the $30,000 ``gratuity'' to the
customs agent was an innocent reflection of a differt culture.
<p>
He says Sissoko's associates hired people to apply for proper
documentation and thought the payment could expedite the process.
<p>
To remain free until while the case is being adjudicated, Sissoko had
to put up a $20 million bond, thought to be one of the highest ever
demanded in the Southern District of Florida. He may travel around the
Greater Miami area until sentencing, but must be accompanied by a
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:06:12 EST
From: "BOJANG,BUBA" <BBOJANG@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: correct address
Message-ID: <20JAN97.24951862.0061.MUSIC@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
Moe,
the address I posted as Ansumana Sirleaf's is wrong. I omitted some
other words. The correct address is asirleaf@music.transy.edu
Thank you
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:32:09 +0800 (SGT)
From: Saloum Malang <9320083@talabah.iiu.my>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
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As you already know my name is Saloum Malang born and brought up in the
town of Basse Upper River Division.After passing my common entrance
examination in 1984,I got admission in Nasir Ahmadiyyaa Muslim High
School where I sat to the G.C.E O'Levels Examination in 1989.From there,I
continue my education in Gambia High School where I sat to the G.C.E A'
Levels in 1991.I worked with the Standard Chartered Bank Banjul Branch
before coming to Malaysia in 1993 to pursue a degree in business
administration.I guess you must have heard about the International
Islamic University of Malaysia.I am the current Secretary General of The
Gambia Students Association in Malaysia.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:25:34 +0800 (SGT)
From: Senessie Turay <9210077@talabah.iiu.my>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: ZAKATUL FITR
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ASSALAMU ALAIKUM.
ZAKATUL FITR IS AN OBLIGATORY ACT UPON ANY MATURED AND ABLE MUSLIM ON THE
EVE OF EIDUL FITR. IT IS A CHARITY TO BE GIVEN TO THE POOR RIGHT FROM THE
SUN
SET ON THE LAST DAY OF RAMDAN TILL THE NEXT MORNING BEFORE THE EID PRAYER
IS BEING SAID. OFFERING ZAKATUL FITR AFTER PRAYER IS CONSIDERED SADAQAH
AND A SINFUL ACT WITHOUT ANY APPARENT REASON. ACCORDING TO MALIK SCHOOL
OF THOUGHT ZAKATUL FITR SHOULD CONSIST OF THE MAIN CONSUMPTION ITEMS OF
EACH NATION ( RICE,WHEAT, BARLEY ETC..), UNLIKE THE HANAFI SCHOOL OF
THOUGHT WHICH RECOMMENDS GIVING MONEY TO THE POOR INSTEAD OF GRAINS. THEY
SAY THAT THE POOR MAY NOT ONLY NEED TO FILL THEIR BELLIES WITH
FOOD OR GRAIN, BUT THEY MAY ALSO WANT TO SATISFY SOME OTHER NEEDS TOO-
CLOTHINGS,TRAVELLING ETC... SINCE THE ESSENCE OF GIVING ZAKAT F. IS TO
PREVENT THE POOR FROM ASKING ALMS ON THIS HAPPY DAY, WE MUST PROVIDE THEM
WITH BETTER ALTERNATIVES. A MUSLIM CAN CHOOSE EITHER OPTIONS TO DISCHARGE
HIS DUTY TOWARDS THE POOR AND THE NEEDY ON THIS DAY.
FURTHERMORE, THE HEAD OF THE FAMILY IS SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR HIMSELF AND
HIS UNMARRIED DAUGHTERS AND AS WELL AS HIS SONS WHO ARE BELOW THE AGE OF
MATURITY. IT IS NOT HIS RESPONSIBILITY AT ALL TO GIVE ZAKAT ON BEHALF OF HIS
ABLE BACHELORS AND MARRIED SONS. IF THESE GENTLE MEN ARE FACING SOME
FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES DURING THE LAST DAYS OF RAMDAN BUT THEY HOPE TO
RECOVER FROM THEIR HARD UP, THEY CAN BORROW AND PAY THEIR ZAKATUL F.
REMEMBER ONCE YOU ARE AN ELIGIBLE PERSON, YOU MUST CARRY OUT THIS
OBLIGATION.
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU DID ASK WHETHER OUR PARENTS CAN PAY ON OUR BEHALF.
WELL,IF THAT IS THE CUSTOM,, IT IS ACCEPTABLE SINCE WE ARE UNDER THEIR
CONTROL AND CARE. HOWEVER YOUR CASE IS DIFFERENT BUBA, AS YOU ARE MARRIED
WITH TWO KIDS, IT IS YOUR SOLE RESPONSIBILITY TO CARRY OUT THIS OBLIGATION.
YOU CAN EITHER PAY FOR YOUR FAMILY RIGHT IN THE US OR SIMPLY SEND THE
AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BE PAID IN DALASI.
BESIDES THAT YOU ALSO POINTED OUT THE ROLE OF TIME AND THE DIFFERENCES
IN DAYS OF FASTING BETWEEN MUSLIMS AROUND THE GLOBE.
I DON'T SEE IT AS AN OBSTACLE, IF OUR DADS WERE TO PAY ZAKAT ON OUR BEHALF
AND WE ARE A DAY AHEAD OF THEM. IT WILL BE REGARDED AS ZAKAT IN THEIR OWN
CONTEXT WHILST IN THE US OR MALAYSIA IT WILL BE ALREADY EID. THE POINT
TO BE EMPHASIZE HERE IS THAT ISLAM GIVES ACCOMODATION FOR TIME
DIFFERENCES. I THINK WHAT MATTER MOST IS THEIR INTENTIONS, THE TIME AND THE
CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY PERFORM THEIR ZAKAT.
TO SOLVE THIS HURDDLE, IT IS PERMISSIBLE IN MALIK MAZHAB-SCHOOL OF
THOUGHT TO OFFER ZAKAT F. TWO DAYS AHEAD OF EIDUL FITR. SO ARE THE OTHER
SCHOOL OF THOUGHTS. WE CAN HAPPILY GO ON INFORMING OUR BELOVED PARENTS TO
PAY THEIR DUES EARLIER IN ORDER TO PREVENT THIS PROBLEM FROM OCCURING.
FINALLY, WE CAN NOT ALWAYS RELY ON OUR PARENTS AT HOME TO BE PAYING ON
OUR BEHALF. IN CASE THEY FORGET TO MENTION OUR NAMES AMONG THE TENS OF
CHILDREN AND WE ARE ALREADY ELIGIBLE BACHELORS, THEY WILL NOT BE HELD
RESPONSIBLE IN THE EYES OF ALLAH. WE BETTER NOT TAKE THE RISK AT ALL. WE
MUST NOT SEE ZAKATUL FITR AS A BURDEN BUT A MECHANISM THROUGH WHICH WE CAN
ACHIEVE SOCIAL SOLIDARITY AND GOOD COMMUNITY RELATIONS.
BUBA, WITH THIS I END MY NOTE. I HOPE MY MESSAGE IS UNDERSTOOD AT THIS
STAGE.
THANKS FOR READING.
SANUSI TURAY.
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Date: 21 Jan 1997 10:49:00 +0100
From: "Jobarteh, Momodou" <Momodou.Jobarteh@hordaland.vegvesen.no>
To: "Gambia-L -Internet... ." <Gambia-l@u.washington.edu> (Return requested)
Subject: RE: NATIONAL ASSEMBLY ELECTIONS
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Thank you very much Momodo for having presented the National Assembly
elections result. Your presentation of the results is indeed very important
to know the polls of each candidate
Thanks
Alhagi
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Gambia-l,
The National Assembly elections are now history but here are the
number of votes each candidate had.
Banjul Administrative Area
**************************
Banjul Central
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Christian Samuel Davies UDP 967
Pa Sallah Jeng IND(Independent) 860
Ahmed Jeggan Loum PDOIS 356
Musa Sinyan APRC 2201
Banjul North
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Ebou Ndow UDP 1491
Sheikh Omar Njie APRC 1834
Banjul South
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David Jones APRC 2011
Pa Babou Seedy Njie UDP 1479
Kanifing Administrative Area
*************************
Bakau
--------
Demba Sanneh Bojang UDP 5320
Saihou Sanyang APRC 3727
Serrekunda East
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Fabakary Tombong Jatta APRC 9575
Bakary M.S.A. Manneh UDP 8067
Halifa Sallah PDOIS 8529
Serrekunda West
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Adama Bah PDOIS 2347
Gibou Momodou Jagne UDP 6701
Sulayman Joof APRC 10313
Brikama Administrative Area
*************************
Foni Kansala
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Kawsu L. Gibba AFRC 3009
Momodou L Nyassi UDP 256
Kombo Central
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Abdou Badjie APRC 8045
Wassa Janneh UDP 6928
Ousman G A Kebbeh PDOIS 735
Kombo East
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Pa Saikou Kujabi UDP 3636
Kebba M Touray APRC 5009
Kombo North
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Seedy .S. Ceesay PDOIS 1243
Yusupha F.A. Cham UDP 8279
Musa Suso APRC 13866
Kombo South
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Kebba Barrow UDP 4 962
Yusupha K Sanyang NRP 479
Paul Mendy APRC 7888
Kerewan Administrative Area
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Central Baddibu
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Janko Fatou Jaiteh APRC 2298
Abou Karamba Kassama UDP 3192
Illiassa
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Sainey Kebba Jadama UDP 4599
Araabo Ansu Kanyi APRC 5362
Jokadu
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Amadou Khan APRC 2878
Baba Abu Khan UDP 1869
Lower Baddibu
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Manjanko Saamsusa UDP 2576
Alhaji Ablie Suku Singateh APRC 2931
Lower Niumi
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Jain Coli Fye APRC 8878
Musa Malang Sonko UDP 1875
Sabach Sanjal
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Kebba Land Camara APRC 4720
Yankuba Solly Camara UDP 2791
Upper Niumi
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Ousman Jallow APRC 4617
Ebrima Kanjura Sonko UDP 2251
Mansakonko Administrative Area
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Jarra Central
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Momodou Lamin Ceesay UDP 681
Alkali Jallow IND 947
Phoday Lang Sarr APRC 1202
Jarra East
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Ebou Ceesay PDOIS 216
Ousman Lang Sama Dabo APRC 1654
Seedy Amang Kanyi UDP 2336
Jarra West
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Baba Jobe APRC 2981
Kemeseng M. Jammeh UDP 3224
Lamin Manneh PDOIS 124
Kiang Central
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Babading K.K. Daffeh UDP 1104
Demba Jobarteh APRC 755
Musa Gallel Jabou Njadoe NRP 1147
Kiang East
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Buba Samura UDP 1412
Ansumana Sanneh APRC 1377
Kiang West
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Sulayman Darboe PDOIS 534
Omar Kebba Mass UDP 3405
Menata Njie APRC 1323
Janjanbureh Administrative Area
**************************
Janjanbureh
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Daddy Kaba Dampha APRC 524
Foday Jibang Manka UDP 405
Lower Fulladu West
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Saikou Foday Njie APRC 4805
Ebrima Hurana Jobarteh PDOIS 628
Dawda Malang Fanta Sama UDP 3748
Lower Saloum
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Ebou Faal UDP 447
Abdou Mamsamba Njie NRP 1499
Fafa Touray APRC 3134
Niamina Dankunku
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Jaye Jallow PDOIS 672
Sanna Jallow APRC 1451
Niamina West
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Lamin Wollow Samba Jallow IND 1608
Baboucarr Sonko APRC 1161
Niani
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Ousman Janko PDOIS 190
Buray Alpha Jowoh NRP 749
Kebba Baboucarr Sabally APRC 2225
Almamy Aboubaker Touray UDP 2730
Nianija
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Dawda Bah APRC 1476
Essa Bah IND 47
Sami
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Idrissa Samba Sallah APRC 3045
Sheriff Sawaneh UDP 2327
Essa Wally PDOIS 293
Upper Fulladu West
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Churchill Falai Bandeh APRC 6046
Tijan Babou Ramou Njie PDOIS 666
Amadou Sanneh UDP 3878
Upper Saloum
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Hamat Ngai Kuma Bah NRP 2765
Sainey Mbye APRC 2157
Basse Administrative Area
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Basse
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Momodou Sellu Bah APRC 5072
Ibrahima K. Kejera PDOIS 511
Sisia K. L. Sagnia UDP 3637
Jimara
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Saihou Mballow UDP 4452
Kanimang Sanneh APRC 4599
Kantora
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Omar Baru Camara APRC 3792
Hassan Jallow IND 5534
Sandu
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Pa Ousman Drammeh IND 2911
Lamin Giana PDOIS 373
Abdoulie Kanaagi Jawla APRC 3210
Tumana
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Netty Baldeh APRC 4950
Saikuba Ceesay PDOIS 1356
Mbemba M Tambedou UDP 2515
Wulli
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Alhamdiou A K Conteh UDP 1098
Mamadi Karlo Jabai APRC 4641
Sidia Jatta PDOIS 5499
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:14:51 +-100
From: "Matarr M. Jeng." <mmjeng@image.dk>
To: "'The Gambia And Related Issues Mailing List'"
<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Africa- Health
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<Picture: Panafrican News Agency>
News Stories | Environment | Economics | Science and Health | Sports | =
Africa Press Review=20
Copyright 1996 Panafrican News Agency and Africa News Service. All =
rights reserved.=20
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published or used for broadcast without written authorization from the =
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20 Jan 97 - Africa-Health
African Adolescent Early Births Raise Concern
>From Peter Masebu; PANA Staff Correspondent
ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia (PANA) - Recent television footage of Rwandan =
refugees returning from Zaire or Tanzania had one thing in common -- =
they showed that virtually all women in procreation age had babies.=20
The most visible of these were weary-looking and sick teenage girls, =
struggling with babies imposed on them through uncontrolled or forced =
sex, as they lived in sprawling refugee camps in the two countries of =
exile.=20
The situation is so critical that the issue of adolescent health needs =
of African displaced and refugee populations, estimated at around eight =
million, features prominently on the agenda of the ongoing forum on =
African Adolescent Reproductive Health, which began Monday and ends =
Friday.=20
However, even without the ever-increasing African conflicts, the =
continent's reproductive health situation was already on a dangerous =
trend.=20
This trend is what prompted the United Nations Fund for Population =
Activities and the Washington-based Centre for Development and =
Population Activities (CEDPA) to call a forum for more than 300 decision =
makers, reproductive health experts and youth in the Ethiopian capital.=20
According to the meeting organisers, Sub-Saharan Africa, where more than =
50 percent or more of young women give birth before the age of 20, "has =
the world's highest rate of child bearing."=20
They said, in documents circulated here, that the risk of girls in the =
10-14 age bracket dying from pregnancy-related causes "may be five times =
higher than in their early twenties."=20
Besides the fact that a child born to an adolescent mother in =
Sub-Saharan Africa is more likely to die in infancy, the forum's =
convenors are worried by the high prevalence of sexually transmitted =
diseases, including HIV/AIDS, among unmarried, sexually active =
adolescents "with multiple partners."=20
One of the forum's documents estimates that 67 percent of AIDS cases and =
80-90 cases of HIV infections in children are in Sub-Saharan Africa. =
Some 40 million people are expected to live with the AIDS-causing virus =
worldwide within three years.=20
CEDPA president, Mrs. Peggy Curlin, told PANA that she expected less =
speeches but frank discussions and suggests on how to go about =
addressing the issue of adolescent reproductive health.=20
"I hope this will be a different meeting from previous other =
conferences," she said, adding that the working groups that have been =
established would identify gaps in current adolescent health programmes =
so as to bridge them.=20
Unlike previous meetings where bureaucrats and experts had a say in =
everything to do with reproductive health, young people have this time =
been invited as co-facilitators of working group meetings.=20
A variety of other participants, including reproductive health programme =
managers, service providers, religious leaders, legal experts and donors =
are also attending the Addis Ababa forum.=20
The involvement of donors is important in that, pressed with poverty and =
structural adjustment programmes, African states have tended to relegate =
issues like reproductive health.=20
Consequently, they end up with annual population growth which outstrip =
that of the economy.=20
A number of participants have indicated in separate interviews that they =
hoped the current forum, on preparing African youth for the next =
millennium, would be the watershed to greater sensitivity by =
governments, donors and other actors towards reproductive health issues. =
However, reproductive health matters can only be addressed properly if =
there is peace within African states.=20
Without peace, the world will continue to see teenagers struggling with =
unwanted babies -- as is currently happening in Africa's Great Lakes =
region.=20
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Greetings
Matarr M. Jeng.
AFRICA NEWS Home Page | AFRICA NEWS CENTRAL | The Nando Times=20
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:19:29 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Gambian Politics
Message-ID: <199701211014.TAA28435@mlsv.iuj.ac.jp>
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Gambia-l,
Any news about the new Cabinet? Does the vice presidency have the
minimum age requirement clause of 30 years? If so, will the incumbent
be asked to step down in line with the Constitution? Now that the
new parliament is in place and the Constitution in force, are the
AFPRC decrees still effective?
Another important question: Will the new parliament enact into law a
maximum 2-term limit on the presidency--an provision the Constitutional
Review Commision claimed was omitted from the draft constitution?
My own comments later!
Lamin Drammeh.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:27:48 +0100
From: "tgr" <tgrotnes@online.no>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: ZAKATUL FITR
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No offence, but somebody should perhaps tell this gentleman about the "Caps
Lock" function?!
Tosh Grotnes.
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> From: Senessie Turay <9210077@talabah.iiu.my>
> ASSALAMU ALAIKUM.
>
> ZAKATUL FITR IS AN OBLIGATORY ACT UPON ANY MATURED AND ABLE MUSLIM ON THE
> EVE OF EIDUL FITR. IT IS A CHARITY TO BE GIVEN TO THE POOR RIGHT FROM THE
> SUN
> SET ON THE LAST DAY OF RAMDAN TILL THE NEXT MORNING BEFORE THE EID PRAYER
> IS BEING SAID. OFFERING ZAKATUL FITR AFTER PRAYER IS CONSID...........
> THANKS FOR READING.
> SANUSI TURAY.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:46:14 GMT+100
From: jj.17@aof-kbh.dk
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: NATIONAL ASSEMBLY ELECTIONS
Message-ID: <15F40C36433@aof-kbh.dk>
Thank you very much for giving us the result of the national Assembly
Electikons.
Thank you very much
Jainum Jatta
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:49:02 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
To: "'gambia'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: comment on election/tribalism
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This is Asbj=F8rn, just to say that joining this BANTABA is a fantastic
source of information and point of views for me. Thanks to all of you.
Right now it=B4s 11.30 p.m. and I=B4m sitting reading and writing since =
6.=20
I was linked on january the 5th, and since then a broad stream of
"letters" are on my screen every day I come to office, and it=B4s hard =
to
find the time to read all of it, nor to put my comments into it.=20
Reserve also keeps me from this forum, because I=B4m an outsider, white,
not frequent guest in your country, not well-read in african society,
politics as general or gambian issues specially. But I will try and see
what happens. You can allways ignore it because I=B4m a representative =
of
that "west", which I know some of you, -even living in it-, love to
hate. The written words sometimes is read otherwise, than is was ment,
when put on the paper. And slight differences are not seen. A
communication model says, that app. 55 % of the message given, comes
from the body-language, and that is not yet possible to transfer here.
If I should find more excuses, it could be, that I don=B4t master =
english
or other foreign languages.=20
Without knowing so, I think that one sentence written by Mr. T. Saidy,
when he forwarded the result of the Gambian elections, maybe was
misunderstood by some of you. I felt that there were some of you, who
reacted drawing the gun instantanious and shot him. Some of us has this
political reflex, when we believe that our opponent has not shown up
political correctness.
But thanks to that, I has got so many comments on the political
situation, and the tribal issue, the Gambian history, as never befor.
Many of my gambian friends belong to different tribes. But it is very
seldom I hear them say anything about it, and as a foreigner I=B4m not
aware the differenties, only by language, and that one is obvious.
After parliament-elections in Denmark, when finishing counting the seats
of every party, forming the government, we also try to see if all
"corners of the country" are in some way "represented". Are there
persons from the countryside, small villages, bigger towns and the big
cities ? Do we find young people, middle age and elderly people among
the elected ? How many of the parliamentarians have a workingclass-,
farmers-, commercial-, industrial- or other background ? How many are
low educated, and how many with an academic degree. How many women
compared to men.=20
That does not mean that we think that they are or should be elected of
these reasons. Idealistic they are elected because of the ideas, the=20
politics they stand for. And I think that is the same in The Gambia,
which all your different comments confirm. But when a person join a
party or stand up for election, he/she is exactly like anyone of us, not
"neutral" so to say. We become that person we are, from the way we are
braught up, the social influence, what we learn both from studies, but
also from life. Our choice of political party or platform, comes from a
wish or belief of what is right. Who and what will I fight for ? And
that does not come out of the blue sky. It=B4s little by little put
together inside you, based on the above mentionned. And the personality
is also different. Some is quiet, steady, confident, feel comfortable
when daily life is all in order or secured. And others are ready to take
the risc of new ideas, are impatient if they do the same day out and day
in, they want new things to happen all the time.=20
Some people says: "What are we going to do? "We must produce, achieve
results etc" "Don=B4t waste time on education-do like me, and you will =
se
the results. I=B4m an expert in my field, and it comes only from hard
work."=20
Others say. "How shall these things be done" "We must have structure,
order, regulations, else things will fall " And then again others will
say "Who should do this" They are interested in persons, social
behavior.=20
We feel in Denmark, that there are few women in politics, there are lack
of young people aged 18-30, and people from business-and industry are
missing in parliament. We have very few low-educated persons, and only
2-3 artists there. Many politicians in Denmark come directly out of the
universities. They had never tried real life. But that doesn=B4t mean =
that
you , when you are inside the poll-room think of that. "I must vote on
the only young candidate to make the Parliament more balanced" No, I
vote for him, if I beleive in what he is saying to do. Maybe his
campaign was turned to young people at his own age. That is OK to me. He
will se the political question from his platform, with his background,
and maybe because he is young he sees something in that matter, which
his elderly party-fellow does not. It=B4s the same for local
community-elections. If an emmigrant, an african, asian or person from
Turkey stands for a seat, I believe, that even without playing the
racial/etnic/tribal card, many countrymen has sympathies for him. But
they are not voting only because his is an african, they also try to
listen to his "programme".
And I=B4m sure that after noticed who can form a government, what will =
be
the politic-headlines and programmes for the next period, many danes
inside also feel that they are satisfied when a farmer stands up in
parliament even his is a political opponent. Right now the most popular
minister i Denmark is a total unknown social democrat, who the Prime
Minister put into the Ministry of agriculture and fisheries 2=BD year
ago. Before he was a postman in the "dark countryside". Even deep-blue
conservatives respect him. And the ordinary danes feel it=B4s fantastic
that this man with only 7 years in school can handle one of the most
sensitive ministries in Denmark, and also balance our big problems to
EU. It=B4s some kind of identification. Not that because he is from the
countryside, I=B4m supporting him, or agree on all he says or stands =
for,
but we who are hard working, not having the best jobs, feels that "his
is one of us", "he will see the political agenda from a platform like my
own".
And when a woman succeed I know from some of my friends, that there are
women who are proud and finds its good. But because you are a women you
don=B4t agree on all the female politician says, and you should not play
the card "Women vote for me", that is no longer political accepted in
Denmark. It had some sympathy some years back.
But you can not because you become a politician hinder people to
identify with you. If they know you are from a specific tribe, they
unconscious maybe to a certain point, feel sympathy for you, listen more
to you than your opponent, if they themselves belong to the same tribe.
But it=B4s not a "law" or "rule". It could be the same on religion. If I
know that the candidate has the same faith in God as I have myself, I
have sympathy for him because when it comes to questions on etics in
some legislation, I think that this man will take the same position in
the question as me, because we are braught up on the same religious
background.
And politics is not allways a question on analysis, ideology,
"presenting the right "bible"", but many times it=B4s mostly feelings,
sentiments: "I like that man, I believe in him", more than I=B4m sure =
that
his calculations on the future state-budget is correct. In Denmark we
nearly never see a politician who "play the social/etnic/tribal card" so
to say. It is not political correct to stand up and say. "You farmers
vote for me, because I=B4m a farmer myself". But the man has a lot of
sympathy amongst the farmers before he even opens his mouth, telling
what he will do. Some years ago we had a social democrat as Prime
Minister, who came from the lowest working class, from that union, and a
lot of working class people voted for him, and not for the social
democrats programme. Today the prime Minister, also a social democrate,
but with an akademic degree, have great , great problems to appeal to
the traditional voters for socialdemocrates. The working class people
can not identify themselves with him. They don=B4t trust in him.=20
Now I come back to my opening. I think that after recognized that APRC
got 33 seats, UPD 7, NRP 2, PDOIS 1 and 2 were captured by "socalled"
(I don=B4t beleive one can be political independant ) independent
candidates, Mr. T. Saidy just made such an overweiw comment, that he was
glad to see see that all kind of people were represented among the total
parliament-members. I don=B4t think he wanted to "play the tribal card".
But then the discussion about the present governments results judged
upon the former. In Denmark it is very very rare, that we can have a
majority-government. After 1945 it has only happend twice, and the last
one lasted only 2 years. We have a tradition, that the Government has
from budget to budget, from law to law, from project to project, deal
and negotiate with the opposition. That=B4s why it=B4s sometimes not to =
see
the difference between a left-wing based social democrate government,
and a middle-oriented socialdemocratic one, or a middle-based right-wing
government.=20
Maybe it is easier in The Gambia to point out the difference between two
majority-governments, because they can rule accordingly to the
party-programme. So the differences should fall out more clearly.
To me it was interesting to stay in The Gambia in 1995, when the
corruption-cases ran in court. People were talking about it, and to me
they expressed their believe in this day of reckoning with the former
administration. As a new manager, leader, board of directors it is
allways good strategi to show up visible signs that "new times has to
come". From my job as an adviser on grass-root level in sports, I
sometimes has to advise a totally new elected board in the club, that if
they feel it is necessary to do something to get the members support
after a period of frustration, the best thing is to do something
visible, and something they feel good sentiments for. But the biggest
menace is, that you later on are taking in doing the same, or doing
nothing. That will cause big big backlash or setback.
I don=B4t believe it=B4s an easy job to take over in the Gambia, and =
such a
new government has to show up visible results immediately, so people can
see that it=B4s not talk and talk and talk, or promisses, but something
happens. It=B4s not up to me to judge your government, and we in the =
west
has no such right. So my comment will only be, the same as I told my
gambian friends, when it comes to politics: I go and watch. I know what
a bag of rice costs, and how many cups a good wife can get out of it. I
look for the daily life first. Is there emprovements for the families, I
pay visit. Next I look for the educational system, are there schools so
the children don=B4t have to go on two shifts, are there materials. Is =
it
possible to take an education, and use it inside the country. I=B4m =
also
looking on the infra -structure, communication, the health- and social
systems. There are many jobs in these sectors, that many gambians could
maybe have a job, earn a living. From my first visit in 1979 I went home
and told my friends, that The Gambia could be in the region, what
Denmark is in western Europe, the food-producing country. Animals,
dairy-products, fisheries, with energy produced on sun-cell, wind ect.
And because of all them high educated Gambians placed all ower the
world, I think that this small country could become leading in
develloping high-technology-based industry in west-africa (but people
who know about such things may correct me).
But all the time I know, that it is not fair to compare to where I come
from. Because I don=B4t go to the Gambia so often, I can see if it=B4s
better or worser, when I go. If some of my gambian friends ever join
into politics (and some of them might do) I have promissed to be their
conscience, keep telling them, what they said in the very loud
discussion I=B4ve been witness to over the past 17 years. I=B4m also =
aware
of the role I play myself, and my countrymen i Denmark, in Europe, in
the West. There is not much to applaud, when it comes to deal on
Africa-issues. That is another story, which we can take later. Now I
will stop with this very very long comment, find my car and ride to my
home. Thanks once again for letting me into this Bantaba.=20
Asbj=F8rn Nordam=20
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 01:19:30 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: comment on election/tribalism
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Asbjorn,
What a well elaborated piece! Thank you for sharing such views with
us. Although some of us are sometimes too quick to brush aside
outside views, on the whole such comments are well placed and
pertinent. Let all members share their opinions with us on isuues that
may seem even 'too Gambian'. There is a lot to learn from one another.
Once again, thanks for shedding light on some salient issues.
Lamin Drammeh.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:38:00 -0500 (EST)
From: TSaidy1050@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Fwd: NEWS FROM THE GAMBIA
Message-ID: <970121123543_173636837@emout04.mail.aol.com>
All members of the list should try and have a copy of WEST AFRICA magazine of
January 20-26, 1997. This issue covers The Gambia, and both President Jammeh
and Mr. Ousainou Darboe are interviewed .
Peace
Tombong
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Forwarded message:
Subj: NEWS FROM THE GAMBIA
Date: 97-01-21 04:18:05 EST
From: TSaidy1050
To: gambia-l@u.wasshington.edu
CC: Bai-Mass.Taal@unep.org(bai-masstaal)
Gambia-l,
I hope this is not a stale news, for I was away for the past ten days. I was
in The Gambia and I was unable to get access my email because I could not
find anyone with on America on Line.
The National Assembly was opened on Thursday, January 16, 1997. The Speaker
is Mr. Mustapha B. Wadda, and Deputy Speaker is Mrs Cecilia Cole, both are
nominated members of the National Assembly. The were both unanimously voted
in. The constitution allows the President to select four nominated members to
the National Assembly, and as such, the other two nominated members are Hameh
Kebbeh and Tamsir Jallow.
Mr. Aliue Ngum, former Permanent Secretary at Ministry of Finance and
Economic Affairs, is now the Secretary General. He is replaced By Mr. Yusupha
Kah as the Permanent Secretary at the Ministry of Finance and Economic
Affairs.
I am sure most of us are waiting for the Cabinet to be announced. It will be
announced very soon, and you will be the first to know.
Peace
Tombong Saidy
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Date: 21 Jan 97 14:28:03 EST
From: "Dr. S. G. Kamara" <73244.2701@CompuServe.COM>
To: GAMBIA-L <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: ERaM: Conference: African-American Research
Message-ID: <970121192802_73244.2701_FHO58-2@CompuServe.COM>
Forwarding from LEONENET.
Thanks.
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From: "t.zack-williams", INTERNET:t.zack-williams@UCLAN.AC.UK
TO: Multiple recipients of list LEONENET, INTERNET:LEONENET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
DATE: 1/21/97 1:54 PM
RE: ERaM: Conference: African-American Research
I forward (from H-ETHNIC) the following information as of potential
interest to eram-list subscribers.
Sincerely,
ERaM Convenor Dr Apurba Kundu <a.kundu@bradford.ac.uk>
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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:42:00 -0500
From: Josef Barton <texbart@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
Subject: CFP: Collegium for African-American Research, Liverpool 4/97
[ Paul Lauter <Paul.Lauter@MAIL.TRINCOLL.EDU> writes:]
As many of you will know, the biennial conference of the
Collegium for African American Research (CAAR) is coming up April 24-28
in Liverpool. Though primarily European-based, CAAR invites
partidcipation of scholars of African American culture, history, society
from other parts of the world.
Three requests:
First: For the conference I have been assembling a collection of
syllabi of courses on areas of African American studies. (A similar
collection, mainly of courses on African American literature, was compiled
for the last CAAR conference in Tenerife in 1995.) I have significant
numbers of syllabi for literature courses, but I do need syllabi for
courses in history, politics, social issues, and the like. These are
very useful for colleagues who do not have regular access to the internet
and other means of sharing such resources.
Please send syllabi to me via e-mail or by snail mail to Paul
Lauter, English Department, Trinity College, Hartford, CT 06106, USA.
Second, Ann Fitzgerald and I have been asked to help organize one
or more sessions on teaching African American studies. If you are
interested in participating in such a session, please write to us at the
same address. (Unfortunately, I have no knowledge of funding available
to defray travel expenses.)
Finally, I would appreciate it if people receiving this post and
subscribing to other relevant lists would forward this to such lists. I
think our outreach has been fairly modest so far.
For further information about the CAAR conference, please contact
Prof. Dr. Maria Diedrich, president of CAAR:
<diedri@uni-muenster.de>
Thanks much, paul lauter
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:37:12 -0600 (CST)
From: JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re:NEWS FROM THE GAMBIA
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If Yahya Jammeh of all persons can become a president of a country, in my view,
the make-up of his cabinet should not be surprising.It appears, in The Gambia
anybody can become anything....and I mean anything.....the system would operate
just fine..ceteris paribus.
Yahya Jammeh's Gambia is the classical case of the line "the end justify the
means".
I HOPE I'M WRONG....
MUSA BASSADI
VANDERBILT.
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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 22:41:22 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: comment on election/tribalism
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Asbj=F8rn Nordam wrote:
>=20
> This is Asbj=F8rn, just to say that joining this BANTABA is a fantastic
> source of information and point of views for me. Thanks to all of you.
> Right now it=B4s 11.30 p.m. and I=B4m sitting reading and writing since=
6.
> I was linked on january the 5th, and since then a broad stream of
> "letters" are on my screen every day I come to office, and it=B4s hard =
to
> find the time to read all of it, nor to put my comments into it.
> Reserve also keeps me from this forum, because I=B4m an outsider, white=
,
> not frequent guest in your country, not well-read in african society,
> politics as general or gambian issues specially. But I will try and see
> what happens. You can allways ignore it because I=B4m a representative =
of
> that "west", which I know some of you, -even living in it-, love to
> hate. The written words sometimes is read otherwise, than is was ment,
> when put on the paper. And slight differences are not seen. A
> communication model says, that app. 55 % of the message given, comes
> from the body-language, and that is not yet possible to transfer here.
> If I should find more excuses, it could be, that I don=B4t master engl=
ish
> or other foreign languages.
> Without knowing so, I think that one sentence written by Mr. T. Saidy,
> when he forwarded the result of the Gambian elections, maybe was
> misunderstood by some of you. I felt that there were some of you, who
> reacted drawing the gun instantanious and shot him. Some of us has this
> political reflex, when we believe that our opponent has not shown up
> political correctness.
> But thanks to that, I has got so many comments on the political
> situation, and the tribal issue, the Gambian history, as never befor.
> Many of my gambian friends belong to different tribes. But it is very
> seldom I hear them say anything about it, and as a foreigner I=B4m not
> aware the differenties, only by language, and that one is obvious.
> After parliament-elections in Denmark, when finishing counting the seat=
s
> of every party, forming the government, we also try to see if all
> "corners of the country" are in some way "represented". Are there
> persons from the countryside, small villages, bigger towns and the big
> cities ? Do we find young people, middle age and elderly people among
> the elected ? How many of the parliamentarians have a workingclass-,
> farmers-, commercial-, industrial- or other background ? How many are
> low educated, and how many with an academic degree. How many women
> compared to men.
> That does not mean that we think that they are or should be elected of
> these reasons. Idealistic they are elected because of the ideas, the
> politics they stand for. And I think that is the same in The Gambia,
> which all your different comments confirm. But when a person join a
> party or stand up for election, he/she is exactly like anyone of us, no=
t
> "neutral" so to say. We become that person we are, from the way we are
> braught up, the social influence, what we learn both from studies, but
> also from life. Our choice of political party or platform, comes from a
> wish or belief of what is right. Who and what will I fight for ? And
> that does not come out of the blue sky. It=B4s little by little put
> together inside you, based on the above mentionned. And the personality
> is also different. Some is quiet, steady, confident, feel comfortable
> when daily life is all in order or secured. And others are ready to tak=
e
> the risc of new ideas, are impatient if they do the same day out and da=
y
> in, they want new things to happen all the time.
> Some people says: "What are we going to do? "We must produce, achieve
> results etc" "Don=B4t waste time on education-do like me, and you will =
se
> the results. I=B4m an expert in my field, and it comes only from hard
> work."
> Others say. "How shall these things be done" "We must have structure,
> order, regulations, else things will fall " And then again others will
> say "Who should do this" They are interested in persons, social
> behavior.
> We feel in Denmark, that there are few women in politics, there are lac=
k
> of young people aged 18-30, and people from business-and industry are
> missing in parliament. We have very few low-educated persons, and only
> 2-3 artists there. Many politicians in Denmark come directly out of the
> universities. They had never tried real life. But that doesn=B4t mean t=
hat
> you , when you are inside the poll-room think of that. "I must vote on
> the only young candidate to make the Parliament more balanced" No, I
> vote for him, if I beleive in what he is saying to do. Maybe his
> campaign was turned to young people at his own age. That is OK to me. H=
e
> will se the political question from his platform, with his background,
> and maybe because he is young he sees something in that matter, which
> his elderly party-fellow does not. It=B4s the same for local
> community-elections. If an emmigrant, an african, asian or person from
> Turkey stands for a seat, I believe, that even without playing the
> racial/etnic/tribal card, many countrymen has sympathies for him. But
> they are not voting only because his is an african, they also try to
> listen to his "programme".
> And I=B4m sure that after noticed who can form a government, what will =
be
> the politic-headlines and programmes for the next period, many danes
> inside also feel that they are satisfied when a farmer stands up in
> parliament even his is a political opponent. Right now the most popula=
r
> minister i Denmark is a total unknown social democrat, who the Prime
> Minister put into the Ministry of agriculture and fisheries 2=BD year
> ago. Before he was a postman in the "dark countryside". Even deep-blue
> conservatives respect him. And the ordinary danes feel it=B4s fantastic
> that this man with only 7 years in school can handle one of the most
> sensitive ministries in Denmark, and also balance our big problems to
> EU. It=B4s some kind of identification. Not that because he is from the
> countryside, I=B4m supporting him, or agree on all he says or stands fo=
r,
> but we who are hard working, not having the best jobs, feels that "his
> is one of us", "he will see the political agenda from a platform like m=
y
> own".
> And when a woman succeed I know from some of my friends, that there ar=
e
> women who are proud and finds its good. But because you are a women you
> don=B4t agree on all the female politician says, and you should not pla=
y
> the card "Women vote for me", that is no longer political accepted in
> Denmark. It had some sympathy some years back.
> But you can not because you become a politician hinder people to
> identify with you. If they know you are from a specific tribe, they
> unconscious maybe to a certain point, feel sympathy for you, listen mor=
e
> to you than your opponent, if they themselves belong to the same tribe.
> But it=B4s not a "law" or "rule". It could be the same on religion. If =
I
> know that the candidate has the same faith in God as I have myself, I
> have sympathy for him because when it comes to questions on etics in
> some legislation, I think that this man will take the same position in
> the question as me, because we are braught up on the same religious
> background.
> And politics is not allways a question on analysis, ideology,
> "presenting the right "bible"", but many times it=B4s mostly feelings,
> sentiments: "I like that man, I believe in him", more than I=B4m sure t=
hat
> his calculations on the future state-budget is correct. In Denmark we
> nearly never see a politician who "play the social/etnic/tribal card" s=
o
> to say. It is not political correct to stand up and say. "You farmers
> vote for me, because I=B4m a farmer myself". But the man has a lot of
> sympathy amongst the farmers before he even opens his mouth, telling
> what he will do. Some years ago we had a social democrat as Prime
> Minister, who came from the lowest working class, from that union, and =
a
> lot of working class people voted for him, and not for the social
> democrats programme. Today the prime Minister, also a social democrate,
> but with an akademic degree, have great , great problems to appeal to
> the traditional voters for socialdemocrates. The working class people
> can not identify themselves with him. They don=B4t trust in him.
> Now I come back to my opening. I think that after recognized that APRC
> got 33 seats, UPD 7, NRP 2, PDOIS 1 and 2 were captured by "socalled"
> (I don=B4t beleive one can be political independant ) independent
> candidates, Mr. T. Saidy just made such an overweiw comment, that he wa=
s
> glad to see see that all kind of people were represented among the tota=
l
> parliament-members. I don=B4t think he wanted to "play the tribal card".
> But then the discussion about the present governments results judged
> upon the former. In Denmark it is very very rare, that we can have a
> majority-government. After 1945 it has only happend twice, and the last
> one lasted only 2 years. We have a tradition, that the Government has
> from budget to budget, from law to law, from project to project, deal
> and negotiate with the opposition. That=B4s why it=B4s sometimes not to=
see
> the difference between a left-wing based social democrate government,
> and a middle-oriented socialdemocratic one, or a middle-based right-win=
g
> government.
> Maybe it is easier in The Gambia to point out the difference between tw=
o
> majority-governments, because they can rule accordingly to the
> party-programme. So the differences should fall out more clearly.
> To me it was interesting to stay in The Gambia in 1995, when the
> corruption-cases ran in court. People were talking about it, and to me
> they expressed their believe in this day of reckoning with the former
> administration. As a new manager, leader, board of directors it is
> allways good strategi to show up visible signs that "new times has to
> come". From my job as an adviser on grass-root level in sports, I
> sometimes has to advise a totally new elected board in the club, that i=
f
> they feel it is necessary to do something to get the members support
> after a period of frustration, the best thing is to do something
> visible, and something they feel good sentiments for. But the biggest
> menace is, that you later on are taking in doing the same, or doing
> nothing. That will cause big big backlash or setback.
> I don=B4t believe it=B4s an easy job to take over in the Gambia, and su=
ch a
> new government has to show up visible results immediately, so people ca=
n
> see that it=B4s not talk and talk and talk, or promisses, but something
> happens. It=B4s not up to me to judge your government, and we in the we=
st
> has no such right. So my comment will only be, the same as I told my
> gambian friends, when it comes to politics: I go and watch. I know what
> a bag of rice costs, and how many cups a good wife can get out of it. I
> look for the daily life first. Is there emprovements for the families, =
I
> pay visit. Next I look for the educational system, are there schools so
> the children don=B4t have to go on two shifts, are there materials. Is =
it
> possible to take an education, and use it inside the country. I=B4m al=
so
> looking on the infra -structure, communication, the health- and social
> systems. There are many jobs in these sectors, that many gambians could
> maybe have a job, earn a living. From my first visit in 1979 I went hom=
e
> and told my friends, that The Gambia could be in the region, what
> Denmark is in western Europe, the food-producing country. Animals,
> dairy-products, fisheries, with energy produced on sun-cell, wind ect.
> And because of all them high educated Gambians placed all ower the
> world, I think that this small country could become leading in
> develloping high-technology-based industry in west-africa (but people
> who know about such things may correct me).
> But all the time I know, that it is not fair to compare to where I come
> from. Because I don=B4t go to the Gambia so often, I can see if it=B4s
> better or worser, when I go. If some of my gambian friends ever join
> into politics (and some of them might do) I have promissed to be their
> conscience, keep telling them, what they said in the very loud
> discussion I=B4ve been witness to over the past 17 years. I=B4m also aw=
are
> of the role I play myself, and my countrymen i Denmark, in Europe, in
> the West. There is not much to applaud, when it comes to deal on
> Africa-issues. That is another story, which we can take later. Now I
> will stop with this very very long comment, find my car and ride to my
> home. Thanks once again for letting me into this Bantaba.
> Asbj=F8rn Nordam
Asbjorn!!
Well,I almost always have something to add to commentaries of this
nature,but ,quite frankly, I am lost for words this time around!!
so,instead of trying to add anything to it,I would rather print this
piece and try to read it again at work tomorrow.
So,My very good friend,thanks for such a clear and sophisticated
commentary on the political situation in the Gambia.Its always very
refreshing and instructive to listen to such intelligent neutral voices
like yourself.And keep up the good work down there!!
Regards Bassss!!=20
--=20
SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:49:23 -0500
From: "N'Deye Marie Njie" <njie.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: new member
Message-ID: <199701211954.OAA18549@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu>
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Managers:
I'd like you to subscribe my sister Fatou N'Jie to the newsgroup. Her
e-mail address is fanjie@gsu.edu. Thanks!
----------------------
N'Deye Marie N'Jie
Graduate Associate
Dept. of Food, Agricultural & Biological Engineering
The Ohio State University
590 Woody Hayes Drive, Columbus OH 43210
<njie.1@osu.edu; 688-34455 (W)>
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:33:53 -0800 (PST)
From: saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Fwd: Postdoc for African American Scholars
Message-ID: <9701212033.AA37302@leed.chem.ubc.ca>
Content-Type: text
Gambia-lers,
Gonna be out of grad. school soon? Here is something you may want to
consider while looking for a permanent/better paying job...most of
these jobs end up being filled by Africans instead of the African
Americans they are meant for. They are busy "with their mind on their
money and their money on their mind"..no diggity!!
Good luck.
Madiba.
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>Offering 2 postdoctoral fellowships for African American Scholars.
>The program application deadline is Jan. 31 1997, and applications from
>all disciplines can be submitted. The program features:
>$34,000 - $36,000 stipend depending on experience;
>$3,000 for travel or research related expenses;
>fringe benefits
>Applicants must be African American citizens or permanent aliens and
>they must have received the Ph.D. degree from an accredited university
>by July 1, 1997. The tenure of the program begins August 15, 1997 and
>the awards can be for 1 or 2 years.
>For more information email may be sent to fellowship@deans.umd.edu.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>I am an engineering faculty at Maryland and would be willing to
>consider supporting applicants who wish to work in fiber optic
>technologies such as fiber optic lasers, fiber optic sensor systems,
>or life-cycle assessment and reliability of fiber optic components. I
>also have been active in investigation of gender based cognitive
>differences hat influence learning and peer evaluation in an
>engineering environment.
>Anyone who is interested in these areas is welcome to contact me by
>e-mail and also I invite you to take a look at my website for a quick
>review of my work. Keep in mind that the site is under construction
>Patricia Mead
>ashaki@glue.umd.edu
>http://www.glue.umd.edu/~ashaki
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** Madiba Saidy **
** Advanced Materials and Process Engineering Laboratory **
** University of British Columbia, Vancouver, CANADA. **
** Tel :- (604) 822-4540 (Lab.) Fax :- (604) 822-2847 (lab.) **
** (604) 228-2466 (home) (604) 228-2466 (home) **
** Email :- saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca / msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca **
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 15:15:59 -0600
From: Francis Njie <francis_njie@il.us.swissbank.com>
To: saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca
Cc: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: Postdoc for African American Scholars
Message-ID: <9701212116.AA02028@new_delhi>
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>> They are busy "with their mind on their
>> money and their money on their mind"..no diggity!!
The following is an excerpt from the introduction to gambia-l that was sent to
me when I joined the list:
"Subscribers will be expected, and required to maintain a mature, and
responsible tone in the contributions they send to the list... Further,
slandering and libelling of people will not be tolerated, and will result in
immediate and permanent loss of subscription."
Assuming this still applies, the above comment about African Americans,
whether meant in jest or not, is probably ill-advised. There are numerous
compelling reasons why gambia-l should not be seen as alienating to anyone...
With all due respect,
Francis
PS: Please don't take this personally. This is just advice for the benefit of
the list.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:34:52 -0800 (PST)
From: saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
To: francis_njie@il.us.swissbank.com (Francis Njie)
Cc: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: Postdoc for African American Scholars
Message-ID: <9701212134.AA11040@leed.chem.ubc.ca>
Content-Type: text
> From francis_njie@il.us.swissbank.com Tue Jan 21 13:16:38 1997
> >> They are busy "with their mind on their
> >> money and their money on their mind"..no diggity!!
>
> The following is an excerpt from the introduction to gambia-l that was sent to
> me when I joined the list:
>
> "Subscribers will be expected, and required to maintain a mature, and
> responsible tone in the contributions they send to the list... Further,
> slandering and libelling of people will not be tolerated, and will result in
> immediate and permanent loss of subscription."
>
> Assuming this still applies, the above comment about African Americans,
> whether meant in jest or not, is probably ill-advised. There are numerous
> compelling reasons why gambia-l should not be seen as alienating to anyone...
>
> With all due respect,
> Francis
>
> PS: Please don't take this personally. This is just advice for the benefit of
> the list.
Gambia-lers,
Now I know that when God created Man, he rationed sense of humor...or
may be I've got a bad taste.
The above quotations are common lines (especially the first) in
virtually all RAP songs..so I did not coin it and by the way, I don't
take anything personal especially for someone I don't know!!!
Respectfully,
Madiba.
--
********************************************************************
** Madiba Saidy **
** Advanced Materials and Process Engineering Laboratory **
** University of British Columbia, Vancouver, CANADA. **
** Tel :- (604) 822-4540 (Lab.) Fax :- (604) 822-2847 (lab.) **
** (604) 228-2466 (home) (604) 228-2466 (home) **
** Email :- saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca / msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca **
********************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:01:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Debbie Proctor <proctord@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Postdoc for African American Scholars
Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.95c.970121134406.26187A-100000@carson.u.washington.edu>
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My sentiments exactly. Francis your comment should be taken
personnally. I took Mr. Saidy comments personnally to the point that I
sent of copy only of the intern announcement (not the editorial comments)
to every African American scholar and student I know.
This one can't be taken as humorous. Mr. Saidy remember you have listers
from all ethnic groups from all over the world reading this information.
You as a scholar in your own right should know better than this.
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Francis Njie wrote:
>
> >> They are busy "with their mind on their
> >> money and their money on their mind"..no diggity!!
>
> The following is an excerpt from the introduction to gambia-l that was sent to
> me when I joined the list:
>
> "Subscribers will be expected, and required to maintain a mature, and
> responsible tone in the contributions they send to the list... Further,
> slandering and libelling of people will not be tolerated, and will result in
> immediate and permanent loss of subscription."
>
> Assuming this still applies, the above comment about African Americans,
> whether meant in jest or not, is probably ill-advised. There are numerous
> compelling reasons why gambia-l should not be seen as alienating to anyone...
>
> With all due respect,
> Francis
>
> PS: Please don't take this personally. This is just advice for the benefit of
> the list.
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:39:17 +0000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New members
Message-ID: <19970121221540.AAA11400@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Serigne Mamadou Ka , Greg Fegan and Fatou N'jie have all been added to
the list and as a custom, we expect to have an introductions from
them.
Welcome to the Gambia-l , please send an introduction of your selves
to the list and we look forward to your contributions.
We are collecting names of those interested in subscribing to the Daily
Observer On-line for US$10 per annum, so just let us know if you are interested.
Regards
Momodou Camara
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 17:10:54 -0600
From: Francis Njie <francis_njie@il.us.swissbank.com>
To: saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
Cc: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: Postdoc for African American Scholars
Message-ID: <9701212311.AA02092@new_delhi>
Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3risc v124.8483.5)
Content-Type: text/plain
>> Gambia-lers,
>>
>> Gonna be out of grad. school soon? Here is something you may want to
>> consider while looking for a permanent/better paying job...most of
>> these jobs end up being filled by Africans instead of the African
>> Americans they are meant for. They are busy "with their mind on their
>> money and their money on their mind"..no diggity!!
>>
>> Good luck.
>> Madiba.
Madiba,
I've also heard the mentioned lyrics in at least one song. My advice did not
concern the lyrics per se. Given the context, the "humour" is really
potentially offensive sarcasm.
I'd imagine a good number of African Americans would be offended by the
suggestion that these post-doc positions are being filled by Africans because
African Americans are engaged in activities (whatever these happen to be) that
do not lead to their occupying these positions. The obvious conclusion one
would draw from the context is that African Americans are not academically
inclined-- As you stated, 'They are busy "with their mind on their money and
their money on their mind"... '
Whether there is any hint of truth in the suggestion or not, it is potentially
an alienating insult. And to the extent that the list's policy (as detailed in
the introduction I cited earlier) is not to alienate anyone, I believe the
statement in the given context should be seen as derogatory to the list's
interests.
Again, this is only advice for the benefit of the list.
With all due respect,
Francis
Begin forwarded message:
From: saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Postdoc for African American Scholars
To: francis_njie@il.us.swissbank.com (Francis Njie)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:34:52 -0800 (PST)
Cc: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
In-Reply-To: <9701212116.AA02028@new_delhi> from "Francis Njie" at Jan 21, 97
03:15:59 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25]
> From francis_njie@il.us.swissbank.com Tue Jan 21 13:16:38 1997
> >> They are busy "with their mind on their
> >> money and their money on their mind"..no diggity!!
>
> The following is an excerpt from the introduction to gambia-l that was sent to
> me when I joined the list:
>
> "Subscribers will be expected, and required to maintain a mature, and
> responsible tone in the contributions they send to the list... Further,
> slandering and libelling of people will not be tolerated, and will result in
> immediate and permanent loss of subscription."
>
> Assuming this still applies, the above comment about African Americans,
> whether meant in jest or not, is probably ill-advised. There are numerous
> compelling reasons why gambia-l should not be seen as alienating to anyone...
>
> With all due respect,
> Francis
>
> PS: Please don't take this personally. This is just advice for the benefit of
> the list.
Gambia-lers,
Now I know that when God created Man, he rationed sense of humor...or
may be I've got a bad taste.
The above quotations are common lines (especially the first) in
virtually all RAP songs..so I did not coin it and by the way, I don't
take anything personal especially for someone I don't know!!!
Respectfully,
Madiba.
--
********************************************************************
** Madiba Saidy **
** Advanced Materials and Process Engineering Laboratory **
** University of British Columbia, Vancouver, CANADA. **
** Tel :- (604) 822-4540 (Lab.) Fax :- (604) 822-2847 (lab.) **
** (604) 228-2466 (home) (604) 228-2466 (home) **
** Email :- saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca / msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca **
********************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:13:45 -0800 (PST)
From: saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
To: proctord@u.washington.edu
Cc: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: Postdoc for African American Scholars
Message-ID: <9701212313.AA03184@leed.chem.ubc.ca>
Content-Type: text
> My sentiments exactly. Francis your comment should be taken
> personnally. I took Mr. Saidy comments personnally to the point that I
> sent of copy only of the intern announcement (not the editorial comments)
> to every African American scholar and student I know.
>
> This one can't be taken as humorous. Mr. Saidy remember you have listers
> from all ethnic groups from all over the world reading this information.
> You as a scholar in your own right should know better than this.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Debbie,
I can understand how you feel since you took it as an insult to your
people...(I wish I thought about that before making those unfortunate
comments).
So I hereby apologize for the ill-advised comments..I don't have
anything against African Americans. I hope my apology will be accepted.
I'll be away on vacation for the next 4 - 5 weeks and will use some of
the time to reflect on the bad deeds I have committed including today's
inadvatent comments...I was raised to be respectful to the values of
other people.
I'll send you a personal apology...I'll be unsubscribing from the list
as soon as send this mail 'cause I'm getting ready to leave town.
God bless us all...
Respectfully,
Madiba.
--
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** Madiba Saidy **
** Advanced Materials and Process Engineering Laboratory **
** University of British Columbia, Vancouver, CANADA. **
** Tel :- (604) 822-4540 (Lab.) Fax :- (604) 822-2847 (lab.) **
** (604) 228-2466 (home) (604) 228-2466 (home) **
** Email :- saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca / msaidy@unixg.ubc.ca **
********************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:50:36 -0600
From: Greg Fegan <gfegan@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Introduction to the list
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970122025036.006ad1b8@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 10:39 PM 01/21/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Gambia-l,
>Serigne Mamadou Ka , Greg Fegan and Fatou N'jie have all been added to
>the list and as a custom, we expect to have an introductions from
>them.
>Welcome to the Gambia-l , please send an introduction of your selves
>to the list and we look forward to your contributions.
>
>We are collecting names of those interested in subscribing to the Daily
>Observer On-line for US$10 per annum, so just let us know if you are
interested.
>
>Regards
>Momodou Camara
>
>
>
Hello to all friends of The Gambia.
My name is Greg Fegan and I and my spouse Kathie had the great pleasure of
living in The Gambia from 1992-1994 whilst working at the MRC in Fajara. We
lived in Bakua Sanchaba oppposite the road down to the fish processing unit.
I greatly enjoyed my time there and have many friends in Gambia whom I miss.
Presently I'm studying for a PhD in Epidemiology at Tulane University's
School of Public Health & Tropical Medicine here in New Orleans. I'll
shortly be taken my comprehensive exams and will then be looking for a
thesis project.
Best Wishes
Greg Fegan
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:38:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Mbk007@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: yahyad@aol.comal
Subject: Re: Postdoc for African American Scholars
Message-ID: <970121233821_-2113671926@emout04.mail.aol.com>
Madiba, I am very dissapointed by the comments you made about African
Americans. Am very dissapointed to see a comment of this nature comming from
a living being. You should be ashame of your self , and you should get on
-line right now and apologize to all African Americans, and all the Gambia-l
members. This kind of attitude should will not be accepted here. Left to me
alone, you should be banned from this organization.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:02:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Latir Downes-Thomas <latir@earthlink.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: Fwd: NEWS FROM THE GAMBIA
Message-ID: <853920219@cyprus-c.it.earthlink.net>
> All members of the list should try and have a copy of WEST AFRICA magazine of
> January 20-26, 1997. This issue covers The Gambia, and both President Jammeh
> and Mr. Ousainou Darboe are interviewed .
>
> Peace
> Tombong
> ---------------------
I would also suggest that list members find the latest copies (Jan. 1997) of NEW AFRICAN magazine and FOCUS ON AFRICA, a BBC publication, where various articles and letters on the Gambia that may be of interest can be found.
Peace.
Lat
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 06:41:15 +0000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <19970122054124.AAB6062@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Cherno Waka Jagne has been added to the list and as a custom, we expect to
have an introduction from him. Welcome to the Gambia-l Cherno , please
send an introduction of yourself to the list.
Regards
Momodou Camara
*******************************************************
http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara
**"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's
possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible"***
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:07:28 -0600 (CST)
From: JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: observations on gambia-l
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I must admit that Gambia-l fell far short of my expectations before joining
the group back in september of last year. Quite frankly, we have lost a
momentous opportunity to deliberate effectively and exhaustively on matters
relating to our national development. We lost the opportunity because during the past six months or so, our country was at a cross road in search of it's
identity, during which time a well cordinated participation of a group like
Gambia-l in the national debate would have had a sway there. Unfortunately,
I believe we fail to make Gambia-l of all the good things it ought to be. The
attack on African Americans....an element of the black diaspora, is unwarranted,silly and repugnant ....Francis is right to condemn the statement in its
totality and so do I.
I know the author of this unfortunate piece, he used to be a friend and this
much I knew about him, that he is a very respectable and decend man (he used
to be )he might have made a poor judgment. Therefore, let us accept his apology
and move on.
Pushing this incident aside, there are some thorny issues facing our country
that if we join collectively as a group we could have solved, but allow
ourselves to be caught up on issues that are not pertinent or have no bearing
to the situation in Banjul. To give a few examples, Alpha Robinson about a
couple of months ago came up with a proposal and supported by me of the need
to advance the Swiss Gate debate further,the idea got dead on the out set.
Francis also made a similar proposal, the result was a mirror symmetry with
Alpha's.
The punch line of my argument is that, we could made some material gains with
...rather we could have made some material gains with this group if there were some order and cordination among ourselves. On a side note, those members
blaming Sir Dawda for doing nothing can now be appreciative for the fact
that he was able to maintain tranquility on a circuit far complicated than
Gambia-l. Folks, it's difficult to organise human beings and this experiment
holds true with a small sample of Gambia-l........no bad sentiments intended
for the remark.
Thank you for reading through,
MUSA B.
VANDERBILT.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:14:01 -0800 (PST)
From: saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Please! Please!!! Accept my apology. (fwd)
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> From saidy@chem.ubc.ca Tue Jan 21 21:57:10 1997
> From: Madiba Saidy <saidy@chem.ubc.ca>
> Message-Id: <9701220556.AA12828@dalton>
> Subject: Please! Please!!! Accept my apology.
> To: proctord@u.washington.edu
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 21:56:59 PST
> Cc: saidy@chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
>
> Hi Debbie,
>
> I can understand why you feel offended...I really didn't mean what most
> people will infer from those comments..This is extremely unfortunate on
> my part.
>
> Please accept my apology...I don't have anything against any individual
> African American or collectively as a people. History will teach us all
> that we are the same people, so I can't hate my people, now I know that
> I have a bad taste in humor.
>
> please, Please !! I know you are upset, but remember that we all need a
> second chance...I'm off to Australia over the weekend and I'll try by
> all means to have access to the info. highway to send another apology.
>
> I hope I did not ruin the rest of the week for you. I'll write again
> before I leave.
>
> Good night!
>
> Respecfully,
>
> Madiba.
>
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:41:55 -0800 (PST)
From: saidy@leed.chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Postdoc for African American Scholars (fwd)
Message-ID: <9701220641.AA30330@leed.chem.ubc.ca>
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Folks,
I just subscribed to the list inorder to apologize to everybody about
those unfortunate comments I made this morning..I tried sending one
earlier to no avail, but luckily Momodou Krubally called me from
Seattle and I sent him an apology for the entire list...he will post it
sometime tomorrow.
I am very ashamed of those comments..and I'm sure I've let a lot of
people down. I have a great deal of respect for all list members and so
does a lot of you..I hope this will continue to be the case.
Once again my apologies to everyone..M. B. Krubally will forward to the
list, an apology I tried posting earlier. I thought I'll enjoy the
Australian summer in a few days time, unfortunately this emberassing act
will certainly interfere with that.
This being the Holy month of Ramadan, I should know better not to upset
anybody.
I usually work late into the night, but I can't concentrate at all...so I
guess I'll just meditate and hope that I'll be forgiven..we all deserve a
second chance.
To the list administrators/owner, your intent is not the creation of a
forum for gender/ethnic bashing but rather one for issues pertaining to
the upliftment of our people...I know I've slipped from that direction
but promise that from now onwards I'll be more than careful about what I
write.
Respectfully,
Madiba.
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:53:31 -0600 (CST)
From: JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
To: GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: Re: OBSERVATION ON GAMBIA-L
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FRIENDS,THE PARAGRAPH BEGINNING WITH....PUSHING THIS INCIDENT ASIDE ON
THE ABOVE MENTIONED SUBJECT IS ERRORNEOUS AND SIMPLY IGNORE IT. IT'S
HOTCH-POTCH.
IT'S VERY LATE NIGHT HERE IN NASHVILLE, FOR THOSE OF YOU AWAKE,
GOOD MORNING.
MUSA B.
VANDERBILT.
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 04:29:38 -0500 (EST)
From: TSaidy1050@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: NEWS ON GAMBIA
Message-ID: <970122042937_73065130@emout12.mail.aol.com>
BANJUL, Jan 21 (Reuter) - Taiwanese Foreign Minister John Chang was visiting
Gambia on Tuesday and was due to hold talks with President Yahya Jammeh,
officials and diplomats said. They said Chang, who arrived in the West
African nation late on Monday, would meet Jammeh before leaving on Wednesday.
Gambia opted for ties with Taiwan in 1995 -- a year after Jammeh and fellow
army officers toppled civilian independence leader Sir Dawda Jawara,
alienating the tourist nation's traditional Western allies.
China suspended relations with Gambia. Chang has already visited South Africa
during his current African tour. President Nelson Mandela announced in
November that South Africa would scrap diplomatic recognition of Taiwan,
regarded by Beijing as a renegade province.
(c) Reuters Limited 1997
REUTER NEWS SERVICE
Source: AFP news agency, Paris, in French 2053 gmt 16 Jan 97
Excerpt from report by the French news agency AFP
Banjul, 16th January: Mustapha Wadda was today elected by legislators as
Speaker of the new Gambian National Assembly that resulted from the 2nd
January legislative elections, official sources announced in Banjul today.
Mr Wadda, who is one of the four legislators nominated by Gambian President
Yahya Jammeh in accordance with the constitution, was secretary at the
Presidency before his nomination.
The Gambian legislators also elected Mrs Cecilia Cole - also nominated as
legislator by President Jammeh - as Deputy Speaker of the National
Assembly...
(c) BBC Monitoring Summary of World Broadcasts.
AFRICA
BBC MONITORING SERVICE
BBC MONITORING SERVICE: AFRICA 18/1/97
Peace
Tombong
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:00:21 +0100
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: Postdoc for African American Scholars
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Hi Members!
Madiba Saidy's remark on our brothers/sisters (African Americans) is
unacceptable in any civilized society. He accepts, regrets and apologizes
for this unspeakable statement (thanks to member's reactions) which some may
justify by the notion of "freedom of speech". Thanks to everyone for raising
an alarm on this. I regard all these condemnations yet, as supplements to
all my contributions attributed to tribalism and politics, something some
members get "sickened in the stomach"..... I believe that any problem should
be dealt with at the very instant it arises (as in this case - "...African
American...") to avoid it's escalation. So folks, talk about problems if
they exist. If anyone wants to run away from them by pretending they don't
exist, do so with your fullest conscience but please shut up rather than
mislead.
This brings me to my observation on ASBJ=D8RN NORDAM's well elaborated=
piece.
This too, I would sum up as a supplement to what I, so far, have been
advocating for a fruitful Gambian political structure where tribe, gender,
social-belonging and so forth plays absolutely no role. Thanks, ASBJ=D8RN.=
To
comment further on this (as seen from today's structure), it is unfortunate
that we have no women representatives (as far as I know) in the National
Assembly (a very unbalanced distribution). The reason, according to my
guess, is women are not very interested to get involved in politics at this
stage. This is a mere personal guess and should not be regarded as something
obvious. However, women enjoyed a very high percentage (ca. 40%) in the
AFPRC government's cabinet. This is comparable to even many "Western
democracies"-whatever it means. Let's hope that this trend will be
maintained by the forthcoming APRC government.
May I please appeal to all members to pardon and accept Madiba Saidy's
apology for the sake of a tolerant co-existence. I think he has got the
message quite clearly.
Peace!!
::)))Abdou Oujimai =20
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:11:13 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: observations on gambia-l
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JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu wrote:
>=20
> I must admit that Gambia-l fell far short of my expectations before joi=
ning
> the group back in september of last year. Quite frankly, we have lost a
> momentous opportunity to deliberate effectively and exhaustively on mat=
ters
> relating to our national development. We lost the opportunity because d=
uring the past six months or so, our country was at a cross road in se=
arch of it's
> identity, during which time a well cordinated participation of a group =
like
> Gambia-l in the national debate would have had a sway there. Unfortunat=
ely,
> I believe we fail to make Gambia-l of all the good things it ought to b=
e. The
> attack on African Americans....an element of the black diaspora, is unw=
arranted,silly and repugnant ....Francis is right to condemn the statemen=
t in its
> totality and so do I.
> I know the author of this unfortunate piece, he used to be a friend and=
this
> much I knew about him, that he is a very respectable and decend man (he=
used
> to be )he might have made a poor judgment. Therefore, let us accept his=
apology
> and move on.
>=20
> Pushing this incident aside, there are some thorny issues facing our co=
untry
> that if we join collectively as a group we could have solved, but allow
> ourselves to be caught up on issues that are not pertinent or have no b=
earing
> to the situation in Banjul. To give a few examples, Alpha Robinson abou=
t a
> couple of months ago came up with a proposal and supported by me of the=
need
> to advance the Swiss Gate debate further,the idea got dead on the out s=
et.
> Francis also made a similar proposal, the result was a mirror symmetry =
with
> Alpha's.
>=20
> The punch line of my argument is that, we could made some material gain=
s with
> ..rather we could have made some material gains with this group if ther=
e were some order and cordination among ourselves. On a side note, thos=
e members
> blaming Sir Dawda for doing nothing can now be appreciative for the fac=
t
> that he was able to maintain tranquility on a circuit far complicated t=
han
> Gambia-l. Folks, it's difficult to organise human beings and this exper=
iment
> holds true with a small sample of Gambia-l........no bad sentiments int=
ended
> for the remark.
>=20
> Thank you for reading through,
> MUSA B.
> VANDERBILT.
Musa!!
Perhaps we fall short of your expectations simply because most of us
are not hell-bent on hating the Buyam Boy simply because of his obscure
or humble origins;or because most of us are too good students of history
to realise that Mr.Jammeh's task of pulling our tiny nation into the
twenty-first century is made enormously complicated by the fact that his
predecessor,the Black English Knight from Barra-Jally,did nothing that
should count for anything,infrastructurally speaking;or because we
believe,like you,that the END does not justify the MEANS most of the
time,but,unlike you,we also believe that extraordinary circumstances
require extraordinay measures:If FaFa Jawara could usurp our democracy
and changed it into a virtual monarchy for three decades without showing
anything for it,what can be so wrong in usurping that virtual monarchy
and changing it into a civiliazed military and be able to show a lot for
it in just two short years!! These are just some of the reasons why we
fall short your expectations.We are very sorry that we could not live up
to your expectations,but there is very little we can do about it.
Regards Basssss!!
--=20
SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:47:39 +0000
From: "BALA SAHO" <B.S.Saho@sussex.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re:NEWS FROM THE GAMBIA
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Mr. Jawara,
I don't seem to understand your message very well. May I ask for
clarity please or am I not following well?
Peace and Unity
Bala
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:37:12 -0600 (CST)
> Reply-to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
> From: JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re:NEWS FROM THE GAMBIA
> If Yahya Jammeh of all persons can become a president of a country, in my view,
> the make-up of his cabinet should not be surprising.It appears, in The Gambia
> anybody can become anything....and I mean anything.....the system would operate
> just fine..ceteris paribus.
>
> Yahya Jammeh's Gambia is the classical case of the line "the end justify the
> means".
>
> I HOPE I'M WRONG....
>
> MUSA BASSADI
> VANDERBILT.
>
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:38:14 +0100
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: observations on gambia-l
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970122133814.0069a5c8@alfred.uib.no>
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BASS!
May I borrow from you:
=20
"A BRILLIANT RESPONSE!! I CAN'T SAY IT BETTER MYSELF. KEEP THE GOOD
WORK"
Regards
::)))Abdou Oujimai
At 13:11 22.01.96 +0300, you wrote:
>JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu wrote:
>>=20
>> I must admit that Gambia-l fell far short of my expectations before=
joining
>> the group back in september of last year. Quite frankly, we have lost a
>> momentous opportunity to deliberate effectively and exhaustively on=
matters
>> relating to our national development. We lost the opportunity because
during the past six months or so, our country was at a cross road in
search of it's
>> identity, during which time a well cordinated participation of a group=
like
>> Gambia-l in the national debate would have had a sway there.=
Unfortunately,
>> I believe we fail to make Gambia-l of all the good things it ought to be.=
The
>> attack on African Americans....an element of the black diaspora, is
unwarranted,silly and repugnant ....Francis is right to condemn the
statement in its
>> totality and so do I.
>> I know the author of this unfortunate piece, he used to be a friend and=
this
>> much I knew about him, that he is a very respectable and decend man (he=
used
>> to be )he might have made a poor judgment. Therefore, let us accept his
apology
>> and move on.
>>=20
>> Pushing this incident aside, there are some thorny issues facing our=
country
>> that if we join collectively as a group we could have solved, but allow
>> ourselves to be caught up on issues that are not pertinent or have no=
bearing
>> to the situation in Banjul. To give a few examples, Alpha Robinson about=
a
>> couple of months ago came up with a proposal and supported by me of the=
need
>> to advance the Swiss Gate debate further,the idea got dead on the out=
set.
>> Francis also made a similar proposal, the result was a mirror symmetry=
with
>> Alpha's.
>>=20
>> The punch line of my argument is that, we could made some material gains=
with
>> ..rather we could have made some material gains with this group if there
were some order and cordination among ourselves. On a side note, those=
members
>> blaming Sir Dawda for doing nothing can now be appreciative for the fact
>> that he was able to maintain tranquility on a circuit far complicated=
than
>> Gambia-l. Folks, it's difficult to organise human beings and this=
experiment
>> holds true with a small sample of Gambia-l........no bad sentiments=
intended
>> for the remark.
>>=20
>> Thank you for reading through,
>> MUSA B.
>> VANDERBILT.
>
>
>Musa!!
> Perhaps we fall short of your expectations simply because most of us
>are not hell-bent on hating the Buyam Boy simply because of his obscure
>or humble origins;or because most of us are too good students of history
>to realise that Mr.Jammeh's task of pulling our tiny nation into the
>twenty-first century is made enormously complicated by the fact that his
>predecessor,the Black English Knight from Barra-Jally,did nothing that
>should count for anything,infrastructurally speaking;or because we
>believe,like you,that the END does not justify the MEANS most of the
>time,but,unlike you,we also believe that extraordinary circumstances
>require extraordinay measures:If FaFa Jawara could usurp our democracy
>and changed it into a virtual monarchy for three decades without showing
>anything for it,what can be so wrong in usurping that virtual monarchy
>and changing it into a civiliazed military and be able to show a lot for
>it in just two short years!! These are just some of the reasons why we
>fall short your expectations.We are very sorry that we could not live up
>to your expectations,but there is very little we can do about it.
>
> Regards Basssss!!
>--=20
>SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:23:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu>
To: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: observations on gambia-l
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Bass,
=09Talking about infrastructures, could you please comment on the=20
fact that cars in Banjul can no longer pass under the arch (but Yaya=20
Jammeh ofcourse) because there is a risk that it might collapse due to=20
vibrations? Could you also comment on why a feasibility study was not=20
done before wasting $10 million dollors to build it in the first place.=20
Anna.=20
> Musa!!
> =09Perhaps we fall short of your expectations simply because most of us
> are not hell-bent on hating the Buyam Boy simply because of his obscure
> or humble origins;or because most of us are too good students of history
> to realise that Mr.Jammeh's task of pulling our tiny nation into the
> twenty-first century is made enormously complicated by the fact that his
> predecessor,the Black English Knight from Barra-Jally,did nothing that
> should count for anything,infrastructurally speaking;or because we
> believe,like you,that the END does not justify the MEANS most of the
> time,but,unlike you,we also believe that extraordinary circumstances
> require extraordinay measures:If FaFa Jawara could usurp our democracy
> and changed it into a virtual monarchy for three decades without showing
> anything for it,what can be so wrong in usurping that virtual monarchy
> and changing it into a civiliazed military and be able to show a lot for
> it in just two short years!! These are just some of the reasons why we
> fall short your expectations.We are very sorry that we could not live up
> to your expectations,but there is very little we can do about it.
>=20
> =09=09=09=09=09=09=09Regards Basssss!!
> --=20
> SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
>=20
>=20
**********************************************
*=09Anna Secka=09=09=09 *
* 312 Barnum Hall=09=09=09 *
* University of Bridgeport *
* Bridgeport, CT 06604 *
* Email: secka@cse.bridgeport.edu *=20
**********************************************
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 08:44:57 -0800 (PST)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Apology to all !!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970122084439.5283A-100000@saul6.u.washington.edu>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 21:32:37 PST
From: Madiba Saidy <saidy@chem.ubc.ca>
To: mbk007@aol.com
Cc: tloum@u.washington.edu
Subject: Apology to all !!!
Hi Gambia-lers,
I'm really ashamed of myself tonight...I'm sure I won't have a good
sleep at all.
I hereby once again apologize to every list member, African
American or otherwise for the comments I made in my posting...what I
was trying to pass accross was the fact that Africans are often
considered for positions advertised mainly for African Americans..There
was no intent on my part to denegrate fellow Africans in the diaspora.
I'm terribly sorry!! I know I have dissappointed so many of my former
students, friends and acquaintacies on the list...we all deserve a
second chance..I tried subscribing inorder to send this apology to no
avail, hence I've requested Momodou Krubally of Seattle to forward it
to you all on my behalf.
Once again my apologies...I'll be out of the country over the weekend
and hence won't have access to your forum...but I'll pray that in the
spirit of the RAMADAN that you will all forgive me.
Thanks for reading...have a good night!!
Madiba.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:04:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Mbk007@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Fwd: Postdoc for African American Scholars
Message-ID: <970122120305_1177716362@emout15.mail.aol.com>
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Forwarded message:
From: Mbk007@aol.com
Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu
Reply-to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu (GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues
Mailing List)
Date: 97-01-21 23:43:01 EST
Madiba, I am very dissapointed by the comments you made about African
Americans. Am very dissapointed to see a comment of this nature comming from
a living being. You should be ashame of your self , and you should get on
-line right now and apologize to all African Americans, and all the Gambia-l
members. This kind of attitude should will not be accepted here. Left to me
alone, you should be banned from this organization.
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:17:42 -0500
From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <msjaiteh@mtu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Apology to all !!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <199701221717.MAA01079@spruce.ffr.mtu.edu>
> From GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu Wed Jan 22 11:45:56 1997
> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 08:44:57 -0800 (PST)
> From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Apology to all !!! (fwd)
> Mime-Version: 1.0
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> X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 21:32:37 PST
> From: Madiba Saidy <saidy@chem.ubc.ca>
> To: mbk007@aol.com
> Cc: tloum@u.washington.edu
> Subject: Apology to all !!!
>
> Hi Gambia-lers,
>
> I'm really ashamed of myself tonight...I'm sure I won't have a good
> sleep at all.
>
> I hereby once again apologize to every list member, African
> American or otherwise for the comments I made in my posting...what I
> was trying to pass accross was the fact that Africans are often
> considered for positions advertised mainly for African Americans..There
> was no intent on my part to denegrate fellow Africans in the diaspora.
>
> I'm terribly sorry!! I know I have dissappointed so many of my former
> students, friends and acquaintacies on the list...we all deserve a
> second chance..I tried subscribing inorder to send this apology to no
> avail, hence I've requested Momodou Krubally of Seattle to forward it
> to you all on my behalf.
>
> Once again my apologies...I'll be out of the country over the weekend
> and hence won't have access to your forum...but I'll pray that in the
> spirit of the RAMADAN that you will all forgive me.
>
> Thanks for reading...have a good night!!
>
> Madiba.
>
>
Could we please move on!!
Malanding
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:36:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Debbie Proctor <proctord@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Please! Please!!! Accept my apology. (fwd)
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I accept Madiba apology and I pray the balance of this group do so as
well. We have all been guilty at one time or the other of being
insensitive or spoke without thinking about how what we say impacts
others. While it is necessary to bring it to ones attention, if they
show remorse and ask for our forgiveness, we must do so.
Africans and African Americans all have sterotypes that have plagued
us for 100's of years and only we, as a people, can work to overcome
them.
debbie
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Madiba Saidy wrote:
> Forwarded message:
> > From saidy@chem.ubc.ca Tue Jan 21 21:57:10 1997
> > From: Madiba Saidy <saidy@chem.ubc.ca>
> > Message-Id: <9701220556.AA12828@dalton>
> > Subject: Please! Please!!! Accept my apology.
> > To: proctord@u.washington.edu
> > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 21:56:59 PST
> > Cc: saidy@chem.ubc.ca (Madiba Saidy)
> > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
> >
> > Hi Debbie,
> >
> > I can understand why you feel offended...I really didn't mean what most
> > people will infer from those comments..This is extremely unfortunate on
> > my part.
> >
> > Please accept my apology...I don't have anything against any individual
> > African American or collectively as a people. History will teach us all
> > that we are the same people, so I can't hate my people, now I know that
> > I have a bad taste in humor.
> >
> > please, Please !! I know you are upset, but remember that we all need a
> > second chance...I'm off to Australia over the weekend and I'll try by
> > all means to have access to the info. highway to send another apology.
> >
> > I hope I did not ruin the rest of the week for you. I'll write again
> > before I leave.
> >
> > Good night!
> >
> > Respecfully,
> >
> > Madiba.
> >
>
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:02:25 +0000
From: "SISSOHO EM" <E.M.Sissoho@icsl.ac.uk>
To: Gambia-l@u.Washington.EDU
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Subject: NEW MEMBER
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Friends,
I am glad to be joining the discusion group.There is a danger about
introductions,some reveal too much,some reveal too little!!.I will
try and hold the middle ground.I am reading for the English Bar at
the Inns of Court School of Law in London."Not another Lawyer "
the cynics might say.I hope to be contributing to the discusions.
Regards, Edrisa Sissoho.
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:08:23 -0600 (CST)
From: JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
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Mr. Saho and other interested folks on the piece I wrote on the make-up of
the civilian cabinet if you will, of Yahya Jammeh.
I certainly did not make everything clear on that piece ....my thinking was
that the reader could read between the lines.
The line on,"The end justifies the means" was to highlight the state of
decadence the country is currently in. With this I mean, if Yahya Jammeh
a renegate soldier with no interest or experience of being in charge of a
local supermarket should find himself making the calls in a country is
certainly a point of concern to me. Jammeh prevails because he resorted to
the campaign of terror on the people of the Gambia. I do not have time to
go over his aborninable behaviour during his campaign of terror on the gambian
people. He has reduced the honour of the presidency to the very minimum.
Against this backdrop, any riff-raff could be called on to searve in his cabinetwithout any standard of qualification...in my opinion.
Got to go for now, Bass I shall take on you next.
MUSA B.
VANDERBILT.
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:55:09 GMT0BST
From: "BEYAI" <P.L.Beyai@newcastle.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: comment on election/tribalism
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> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:49:02 +0100
> Reply-to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
> From: Asbjcrn Nordam <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: comment on election/tribalism
> X-To: "'gambia'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> This is Asbjcrn, just to say that joining this BANTABA is a fantastic
> source of information and point of views for me. Thanks to all of you.
> Right now it s 11.30 p.m. and I m sitting reading and writing since 6.
> I was linked on january the 5th, and since then a broad stream of
> "letters" are on my screen every day I come to office, and it s hard to
> find the time to read all of it, nor to put my comments into it.
> Reserve also keeps me from this forum, because I m an outsider, white,
> not frequent guest in your country, not well-read in african society,
> politics as general or gambian issues specially. But I will try and see
> what happens. You can allways ignore it because I m a representative of
> that "west", which I know some of you, -even living in it-, love to
> hate. The written words sometimes is read otherwise, than is was ment,
> when put on the paper. And slight differences are not seen. A
> communication model says, that app. 55 % of the message given, comes
> from the body-language, and that is not yet possible to transfer here.
> If I should find more excuses, it could be, that I don t master english
> or other foreign languages.
> Without knowing so, I think that one sentence written by Mr. T. Saidy,
> when he forwarded the result of the Gambian elections, maybe was
> misunderstood by some of you. I felt that there were some of you, who
> reacted drawing the gun instantanious and shot him. Some of us has this
> political reflex, when we believe that our opponent has not shown up
> political correctness.
> But thanks to that, I has got so many comments on the political
> situation, and the tribal issue, the Gambian history, as never befor.
> Many of my gambian friends belong to different tribes. But it is very
> seldom I hear them say anything about it, and as a foreigner I m not
> aware the differenties, only by language, and that one is obvious.
> After parliament-elections in Denmark, when finishing counting the seats
> of every party, forming the government, we also try to see if all
> "corners of the country" are in some way "represented". Are there
> persons from the countryside, small villages, bigger towns and the big
> cities ? Do we find young people, middle age and elderly people among
> the elected ? How many of the parliamentarians have a workingclass-,
> farmers-, commercial-, industrial- or other background ? How many are
> low educated, and how many with an academic degree. How many women
> compared to men.
> That does not mean that we think that they are or should be elected of
> these reasons. Idealistic they are elected because of the ideas, the
> politics they stand for. And I think that is the same in The Gambia,
> which all your different comments confirm. But when a person join a
> party or stand up for election, he/she is exactly like anyone of us, not
> "neutral" so to say. We become that person we are, from the way we are
> braught up, the social influence, what we learn both from studies, but
> also from life. Our choice of political party or platform, comes from a
> wish or belief of what is right. Who and what will I fight for ? And
> that does not come out of the blue sky. It s little by little put
> together inside you, based on the above mentionned. And the personality
> is also different. Some is quiet, steady, confident, feel comfortable
> when daily life is all in order or secured. And others are ready to take
> the risc of new ideas, are impatient if they do the same day out and day
> in, they want new things to happen all the time.
> Some people says: "What are we going to do? "We must produce, achieve
> results etc" "Don t waste time on education-do like me, and you will se
> the results. I m an expert in my field, and it comes only from hard
> work."
> Others say. "How shall these things be done" "We must have structure,
> order, regulations, else things will fall " And then again others will
> say "Who should do this" They are interested in persons, social
> behavior.
> We feel in Denmark, that there are few women in politics, there are lack
> of young people aged 18-30, and people from business-and industry are
> missing in parliament. We have very few low-educated persons, and only
> 2-3 artists there. Many politicians in Denmark come directly out of the
> universities. They had never tried real life. But that doesn t mean that
> you , when you are inside the poll-room think of that. "I must vote on
> the only young candidate to make the Parliament more balanced" No, I
> vote for him, if I beleive in what he is saying to do. Maybe his
> campaign was turned to young people at his own age. That is OK to me. He
> will se the political question from his platform, with his background,
> and maybe because he is young he sees something in that matter, which
> his elderly party-fellow does not. It s the same for local
> community-elections. If an emmigrant, an african, asian or person from
> Turkey stands for a seat, I believe, that even without playing the
> racial/etnic/tribal card, many countrymen has sympathies for him. But
> they are not voting only because his is an african, they also try to
> listen to his "programme".
> And I m sure that after noticed who can form a government, what will be
> the politic-headlines and programmes for the next period, many danes
> inside also feel that they are satisfied when a farmer stands up in
> parliament even his is a political opponent. Right now the most popular
> minister i Denmark is a total unknown social democrat, who the Prime
> Minister put into the Ministry of agriculture and fisheries 2.5 year
> ago. Before he was a postman in the "dark countryside". Even deep-blue
> conservatives respect him. And the ordinary danes feel it s fantastic
> that this man with only 7 years in school can handle one of the most
> sensitive ministries in Denmark, and also balance our big problems to
> EU. It s some kind of identification. Not that because he is from the
> countryside, I m supporting him, or agree on all he says or stands for,
> but we who are hard working, not having the best jobs, feels that "his
> is one of us", "he will see the political agenda from a platform like my
> own".
> And when a woman succeed I know from some of my friends, that there are
> women who are proud and finds its good. But because you are a women you
> don t agree on all the female politician says, and you should not play
> the card "Women vote for me", that is no longer political accepted in
> Denmark. It had some sympathy some years back.
> But you can not because you become a politician hinder people to
> identify with you. If they know you are from a specific tribe, they
> unconscious maybe to a certain point, feel sympathy for you, listen more
> to you than your opponent, if they themselves belong to the same tribe.
> But it s not a "law" or "rule". It could be the same on religion. If I
> know that the candidate has the same faith in God as I have myself, I
> have sympathy for him because when it comes to questions on etics in
> some legislation, I think that this man will take the same position in
> the question as me, because we are braught up on the same religious
> background.
> And politics is not allways a question on analysis, ideology,
> "presenting the right "bible"", but many times it s mostly feelings,
> sentiments: "I like that man, I believe in him", more than I m sure that
> his calculations on the future state-budget is correct. In Denmark we
> nearly never see a politician who "play the social/etnic/tribal card" so
> to say. It is not political correct to stand up and say. "You farmers
> vote for me, because I m a farmer myself". But the man has a lot of
> sympathy amongst the farmers before he even opens his mouth, telling
> what he will do. Some years ago we had a social democrat as Prime
> Minister, who came from the lowest working class, from that union, and a
> lot of working class people voted for him, and not for the social
> democrats programme. Today the prime Minister, also a social democrate,
> but with an akademic degree, have great , great problems to appeal to
> the traditional voters for socialdemocrates. The working class people
> can not identify themselves with him. They don t trust in him.
> Now I come back to my opening. I think that after recognized that APRC
> got 33 seats, UPD 7, NRP 2, PDOIS 1 and 2 were captured by "socalled"
> (I don t beleive one can be political independant ) independent
> candidates, Mr. T. Saidy just made such an overweiw comment, that he was
> glad to see see that all kind of people were represented among the total
> parliament-members. I don t think he wanted to "play the tribal card".
> But then the discussion about the present governments results judged
> upon the former. In Denmark it is very very rare, that we can have a
> majority-government. After 1945 it has only happend twice, and the last
> one lasted only 2 years. We have a tradition, that the Government has
> from budget to budget, from law to law, from project to project, deal
> and negotiate with the opposition. That s why it s sometimes not to see
> the difference between a left-wing based social democrate government,
> and a middle-oriented socialdemocratic one, or a middle-based right-wing
> government.
> Maybe it is easier in The Gambia to point out the difference between two
> majority-governments, because they can rule accordingly to the
> party-programme. So the differences should fall out more clearly.
> To me it was interesting to stay in The Gambia in 1995, when the
> corruption-cases ran in court. People were talking about it, and to me
> they expressed their believe in this day of reckoning with the former
> administration. As a new manager, leader, board of directors it is
> allways good strategi to show up visible signs that "new times has to
> come". From my job as an adviser on grass-root level in sports, I
> sometimes has to advise a totally new elected board in the club, that if
> they feel it is necessary to do something to get the members support
> after a period of frustration, the best thing is to do something
> visible, and something they feel good sentiments for. But the biggest
> menace is, that you later on are taking in doing the same, or doing
> nothing. That will cause big big backlash or setback.
> I don t believe it s an easy job to take over in the Gambia, and such a
> new government has to show up visible results immediately, so people can
> see that it s not talk and talk and talk, or promisses, but something
> happens. It s not up to me to judge your government, and we in the west
> has no such right. So my comment will only be, the same as I told my
> gambian friends, when it comes to politics: I go and watch. I know what
> a bag of rice costs, and how many cups a good wife can get out of it. I
> look for the daily life first. Is there emprovements for the families, I
> pay visit. Next I look for the educational system, are there schools so
> the children don t have to go on two shifts, are there materials. Is it
> possible to take an education, and use it inside the country. I m also
> looking on the infra -structure, communication, the health- and social
> systems. There are many jobs in these sectors, that many gambians could
> maybe have a job, earn a living. From my first visit in 1979 I went home
> and told my friends, that The Gambia could be in the region, what
> Denmark is in western Europe, the food-producing country. Animals,
> dairy-products, fisheries, with energy produced on sun-cell, wind ect.
> And because of all them high educated Gambians placed all ower the
> world, I think that this small country could become leading in
> develloping high-technology-based industry in west-africa (but people
> who know about such things may correct me).
> But all the time I know, that it is not fair to compare to where I come
> from. Because I don t go to the Gambia so often, I can see if it s
> better or worser, when I go. If some of my gambian friends ever join
> into politics (and some of them might do) I have promissed to be their
> conscience, keep telling them, what they said in the very loud
> discussion I ve been witness to over the past 17 years. I m also aware
> of the role I play myself, and my countrymen i Denmark, in Europe, in
> the West. There is not much to applaud, when it comes to deal on
> Africa-issues. That is another story, which we can take later. Now I
> will stop with this very very long comment, find my car and ride to my
> home. Thanks once again for letting me into this Bantaba.
> Asbjcrn Nordam
>
>
Asbjcrn,
Thanks for a well said piece.
PLB
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:37:52 -0600 (CST)
From: JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: RE:OBSERVATIONS ON GAMBIA-L
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Bass this is Musa and I thank you for your comments. Before I make fresh
assaults , please note a typo on the very latest posting prior to this....
aborminable....and the line "without any standard for...not of "
Now to you Bass, I must credit you for being a true advocate of your believes
and convictions. I always enjoy your endurance and enthusiasm on the discussion.However, I found it very difficult to comprehend or to understand the
objectivity of your spasmodic support for Jammeh even when its absolutely
clear that his activities in the office of the president is dubious to say
the least. The Swiss Bank saga and the Malian business man currently awaiting
trial in Miami who was ushered into the vice presidential residence in Bakau.
......to give a few example.I can state with exactitude that this man was in
hand-in-glove with Jammeh.It's sad and pathetic that the image of our country
is tarnished under this boy from Bu-yam ....to borrow your term.
Finally, Bass I never asked anybody on the list to write anything that will
appeal to my political philosophy or interest as your statement connotes. I
can do that on my own very effectively. Reading through your postings Bass,
I can fairly say that you are a typical "Bantaba" debater who only sees the
facts nonchalantly to advance his views for what ever reason. I do not have
time to sway your thinking on the net...because any attempt by me to do that
would tantamount to an effort by me to move HELLA-KUNDA mountain. Nothing
personal pal...
MUSA B. JAWARA
VANDERBILT.
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:22:13 +0100
From: "tgr" <tgrotnes@online.no>
To: "The GAMBIA-L list" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: A good tip?
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Even if I do enjoy every message I get from the Gambia-L list members,
I dear myself to ask some of you good members to perhaps edit your mail a
little
sometimes before you reply to a long subject.
Perhaps only keeping a few lines of the subject you are replying to, since
the
subject itself already is present on the subscribers mail?!
Just a tip. :-)
Best regards,
Tosh Grotnes
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:12:08 +0100
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: observations on gambia-l
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A REMINDER!!!
Mr. Jawara!
Refresh your memories on,.....your ousted Jawara's past cabinets, how many
incompetent "illiterates" held ministerial posts? The Nigerian oil saga, who
was in the centre of it? Jawara. How about Jawara's business with the
English-based Nigerian businessman who was "allegedly" involved with one of
our Ex-First Ladies?....... it goes on, but I choose to limit myself, for
the meantime, to the nature of what seems "wrong" for you under President
Jammeh, but "right" under deposed Jawara.
ONE THING YOU'VE GOT TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH, PAL, IS YAYA JAMMEH HOLDS THE
GAMBIAN PRESIDENCY TODAY. IT WAS JAWARA YESTERDAY AND TOMORROW IT'S GONNA BE
SOME OTHER GAMBIAN SOMEWHERE:
GOD BLESS GAMBIA!!
::)))Abdou Oujimai
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:19:45 +0000
From: "BALA SAHO" <B.S.Saho@sussex.ac.uk>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: RE:observations on Gambia-l
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Mr. Jawara, and all Gambians
PLEASE PLEASE, I am not sure... if you are not sentimentalising the
subject. Are we interested in our country or in persons or in
parties? How can you compare the PPP era with any other human era?
Hey we are human and every human being makes errors but can the
mistakes be corrected? Remember why we are all outside, because our
country has not provided for us for more than 30 years. That means
that many of us had to live from hand to mouth for several years. Are
you not sad about that? Is blood not running in our veins to have
mercy for the deprived? Are we going to let our children to point at
us and say, "Our mothers and fathers were bunch of *****s". How could
they mismanage the economy not ten years, not twenty years, but for
more thirty years? How can we correct the situation? (Please
understand that I am not nullifying everything under PPP but they
were insignificant)
Here I want to explain how we as a nation (not a tribe, to hell with
that colonial invention: sorry for my language) can pull our
resources together and make The Gambia a better nation.
One thing that bothered Africa for so long is the tendency to cling
to tribe/clientage. Instead of supporting the incumbent because he is
a Gambian we refer to tribal nonsense. Some writers have gone so far
to suggest that one of the best things one could do in Africa is to
abolish multi partisim for for a while. This would mean the incumbent
leader/government will adhere only to national interest. He or She can as
well have his or her own party but the party and state affairs will be
separate. He or She makes sure at all costs national interest is
served first. What do we demand from such a leader? Such a leader
must be radical, well informed or be surrounded by well informed
women and men with the country's interest at heart. This would mean
that at a point in development, though we have different views of how
to run the country our main objectives are for the country and not
for any tribe, party or individual. Think about America, Japan,
England etc, etc, They have multi party systems but no one worries if
the right or left takes over power because in any case they will serve
first the country. On the other hand think about Africa and all
followers of PPP's jawara, the Kaundas, the Mois, the list goes on...
So what am I actually trying to say? What I am trying to say is that
we have a chance under the present regime to turn the wheel in motion
on the course to national development. I hope that the president
bears in mind at all times the interest of our nation.
Think about it. In Africa we have become so dependent even on the
West that without help we are no where. For example for 30 years
under PPP no significant development took place. We have become so
dependent, from "Banta Plas" the community development Aid in the 60s
to all the more than 200 NGOs. Good God, do we have to wait for an
NGO to tell us how to clean our streets or dig our toilets or how to feed
our children?
I think we are much better off now than before under PPP.
PEACE AND UNITY
Bala
> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:08:23 -0600 (CST)
> Reply-to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
> From: JAWARAMB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: RE:observations on Gambia-l
> Mr. Saho and other interested folks on the piece I wrote on the make-up of
> the civilian cabinet if you will, of Yahya Jammeh.
> I certainly did not make everything clear on that piece ....my thinking was
> that the reader could read between the lines.
>
> The line on,"The end justifies the means" was to highlight the state of
> decadence the country is currently in. With this I mean, if Yahya Jammeh
> a renegate soldier with no interest or experience of being in charge of a
> local supermarket should find himself making the calls in a country is
> certainly a point of concern to me. Jammeh prevails because he resorted to
> the campaign of terror on the people of the Gambia. I do not have time to
> go over his aborninable behaviour during his campaign of terror on the gambian
> people. He has reduced the honour of the presidency to the very minimum.
> Against this backdrop, any riff-raff could be called on to searve in his cabinetwithout any standard of qualification...in my opinion.
>
> Got to go for now, Bass I shall take on you next.
>
> MUSA B.
> VANDERBILT.
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:54:31 -0500 (EST)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Forwarding an intro.
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 03:59:53 -0500
From: listproc@u.washington.edu
To: OUSMAN.JOBE@EY.COM
Cc: tloum@u.washington.edu, at137@columbia.ed, at137@columbia.edu
Subject: Error Condition Re: Ousman Jobe Intro
Subject: Ousman Jobe Intro
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 03:59:53 -0500
It's a pleasure to be a new member of this list. Here are a couple tidbits
about myself:
My name is Ousman Jobe (as you probably know from the heading of this message!)
I came to the U.S. after graduating from high school in Paris, France back in
1991
I graduated from the University of California at Berkeley in 1995 with a B.A.
in Economics and a minor
in Business administration emphasizing accounting.
I currently work for the professional services firm of Ernst & Young LLP in San
Francisco as a Staff 2 in the Audit Department.
Passions include soccer, travel, Le Francais y el Espanol and meeting
intelligent people.
I look forward to engaging in open and lively discussions with the rest of
you-- INSHA ALLAH!
OJ
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:57:26 -0500
From: Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: observations on Gambia-l
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Mr. Saho:
The Gambia is suffering the consequences of a 30 year inertia,
economically/developmentally, or what have you. However, we never
feared for our lives, i.e., guns. Granted, the A(F)PRC came in with a
claim to clean house which explains the support they received from the
majority of us. They got greater support when they again said they will
not be running for political office but will hand over to a
democratically elected government. We all know what happened; We all
know what house they cleaned and emptied into personal Swiss bank
accounts, we all know what they have done to their colleagues who dared
to question the course they were charting!
Mr. Saho, I think it is time we stop dedicating so much time to
comparing the erstwhile regime to the present one. We have what we have
now and it behooves us all to question the practicality of their
programs, hold them accountable for their misdeeds. Nobody is
trumpeting the good deeds during their time and we do not have to do so
for the present regime either. They are where they are to do good for
the people and when they do not do so, we let them know, unequivocally,
that we do not want them.
To Mr. Bass, could you please refrain from referring to Yaya Jammeh as
the Bwiam boy and Mr. Jawara as the man from Barra Jalli - I believe the
connotation to be unflattering and that they serve no purpose. Yaya is
Yaya and Mr. Jawara is Mr. Jawara - all Gambians. Thanks to all for the
indulgence.
Soffie
WHEN A PEOPLE VOTE LIKE SHEEP THEY JUST MIGHT BE LED TO THE SLAUGHTER -
NEVER VOTE BECAUSE YOU FEAR THE GUN!!!!
>----------
>From: BALA SAHO[SMTP:B.S.Saho@sussex.ac.uk]
>Sent: Thursday, January 23, 1997 10:19AM
>To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
>Subject: RE:observations on Gambia-l
>
>
>
>Mr. Jawara, and all Gambians
>PLEASE PLEASE, I am not sure... if you are not sentimentalising the
>subject. Are we interested in our country or in persons or in
>parties?
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:07:05 -0500 (EST)
From: ABDOU <at137@columbia.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: On Sisokho
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95L.970123135524.26783G-100000@terve.cc.columbia.edu>
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Hi folks,
As some of you have seen in the news, Babanding Sisokho has
pleaded guilty to all the federal charges against him and is awaiting
sentencing in Florida.
I have the following questions:
I saw with my own eyes that this non-Gambian actually lives in the
official residence of the Vice President and is GUARDED BY GAMBIAN
SOLDIERS ! Why are poor Gambians paying to have a multi-millionaire
guarded ? Why is this man, who has had a history of run-ins with the law,
living in a house subsidized by Gambian taxpayers ??
What has happened to the investigation into the drug shipment
addressed to the Gambian Ministry of Agriculture ? Why was so much
government resources spent trying to defend this man and proclaim his
innocence ? If you remember, our own Mr. Saidy took part in such a
defense.
In other words, why is this man so special to Jammeh ? Are we now
to dismiss charges that this man is involved in his illegal activities in
league with the Gambian government hence the special treatment ?
Thanks and bye for now,
-Abdou.
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A. TOURAY.
at137@columbia.edu
abdou@cs.columbia.edu
abdou@touchscreen.com
(212) 749-7971
MY URL's ON THE WWW= http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~at137
http://www.psl.cs.columbia.edu/~abdou
A FINITE IN A LAND OF INFINITY.
SEEKING BUT THE REACHABLE.
I WANDER AND I WONDER.
ALL RESPITE IS FINAL.
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 13:10:14 -0600
From: Francis Njie <francis_njie@il.us.swissbank.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Baba Gale Jallow's e-mail address
Message-ID: <9701231910.AA00910@new_delhi>
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Does anyone know the e-mail address of Baba Gale Jallow of The Observer or
where we can get it?
Thanks a lot...
- Francis
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:54:10 -0800 (PST)
From: "A. Loum" <tloum@u.washington.edu>
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Forwarded from Fatou Njie
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970123114750.5816F-100000@saul7.u.washington.edu>
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Fatou, your " panther " address has been added to the list.
Ms Jacob Krubally has been added to the list. We welcome her and will be
looking forward to her introduction and contributions.
Thanks
Tony
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Anthony W Loum tloum@u.washington.edu
Supervisor, Business Administration Library 206-543-4360 voice
100 Balmer Hall 206-685-9392 fax
University of Washington
Box 353200
Seattle, Wa.98195-3200
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Hi everyone,
My name is Fatou N'Jie and I am currently at Georgia State University
doing my Masters in Decision Sciences. I am an alumnus of Gambia High
School, class of 1988. Friends and relatives out there can email me at
the address below. I look forward to hearing from all of you. Chow!!!
****************************************
* Fatou N'Jie *
* Decision Sciences *
* Georgia State University *
* *
* email: fanjie@gsu.edu *
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:31:11 -0600 (CST)
From: Yaya Jallow <yj0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: On Sisokho
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970123181940.23298A-100000@jove.acs.unt.edu>
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Abdou
Thanks for that piece on Sisoko. I believe that this saga adds to the
serious questions that Gambians must ask of Jammeh. Clearly, where there
is smoke, there is fire. And I'm concerned that we may have a wolf in
sheep clothing sitting in as president of our beloved nation. The only
vehicle that can press on some of these questions is the Gambian
media, yet unfortunately some of the memebers are facing the threat of
political oblivion.
I cannot but wonder if we will ever see the true meaning of our own
national anthem "let justice guide our actions"
Good day
Yaya
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 05:25:14 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: REQUEST DENIED!!
Message-ID: <31059889.134C@QATAR.NET.QA>
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SOFFIE!!
THANKS FOR YOUR ADVICE,BUT NO THANKS.BECAUSE I DON'T NORMALLY
THINK WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S HEADS.IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS ANYTHING
UNFLATTERING ABOUT LINKING PUBLIC FIGURES TO THEIR ORIGINS,THAT IS VERY
SAD INDEED.BUT SINCE YOU ARE NOT QUESTIONING EITHER MY IDEAS OR THE
LOGIC I USE TO EXPRESS THEM,BUT ONLY ATTEMPTING TO SUFFOCATE MY FREEDOM
AND PERSONAL STYLE,THERE IS NOT MUCH I CAN TELL YOU EXCEPT THAT YOUR
REQUEST IN DENIED.
REGARDS BASSS!!
--=20
SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 05:39:32 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: REQUEST DENIED!!!
Message-ID: <31059BE4.465F@QATAR.NET.QA>
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SOFFIE!!
THANKS FOR YOUR ADVICE,BUT NO THANKS.BECAUSE I DON'T NORMALLY
THINK WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S HEADS.IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS ANYTHING
UNFLATTERING ABOUT LINKING PUBLIC FIGURES TO THEIR ORIGINS,THAT IS VERY
SAD INDEED.BUT SINCE YOU ARE NOT QUESTIONING EITHER MY IDEAS OR THE
LOGIC I USE TO EXPRESS THEM,BUT ONLY ATTEMPTING TO SUFFOCATE MY FREEDOM
AND PERSONAL STYLE,THERE IS NOT MUCH I CAN TELL YOU EXCEPT THAT YOUR
REQUEST IS DENIED.
REGARDS BASSS!!
--=3D20
SZDD=3D88=3DF0'3Af=3DA8=3D03
--=20
SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 06:04:53 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: 'THE ARCH 22 FIASCO'
Message-ID: <3105A1D5.4E5@QATAR.NET.QA>
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ANNA!
I know that I sometimes bore some people with my these
INFRASTRUCTURAL'SONGS',and that I never tire of either singing them to
my self or making others listen to them when I sing,just like what my
wife does
with the Yusu Ndure songs, only that mine has a much more serious side
to it than hers.
I normally enjoy more talking about those structures that are
functional,that impact on the lives of ordinary men and women,boys and
girls in the Gambia:the FarraFeni Hospital ,for instance;the Gambia
Port;the Primary and secondary schools that keep on popping all over the
place with dizzying regularity nowadays;the tv.station that not only
makes it possible for the Government's opponents to hurl insults at the
very revolution that made it possible for them to appear on a t.v.
screen for the first time in their lives,but also puts an end to
our nations infantile dependence on the the Senegalese t.v.,thus
reclaiming some of our almost lost national pride. So,these practial
structures are the kinds of structures that I enjoy talking about
most.But if you think there is something so fishy about the ARCH 22 that
makes me evade talking about it,I can try my hands on that too.
First of all,I don't know what type of arithmetic you used to arrive at
the number:$10million Dollars as the construction cost of the
ARCH,because the last time I checked with my NEW AFRICA MAGAZINE the
number Quoted there was $1.5million Dollars.SO,you either did not do
your homework,or simply inflated the number for propaganda
purposes,which makes me wonder if your other claim that no feasibilty=20
study was conducted prior to the construction of the monument is also
correct.But I can still,for the sake of the argument,assume that you
are correct that Mr.Jammeh capriciously,scandalouly,and wastefully spent
$10 precious Million Dollars of one of the poorest countries of the
world on an insignificant structure that is now at the brink of falling
apart because of its structural inability to withstand the vibrations
caused by passing vehicles.If that is the case,then I am very sorry and
sad about that,not because of the millions of dollars that went into its=20
construction - those are peanuts compared to the $600 milion thieved by
the FaFa Jawara-Saihou sabally Criminal Syndicate - but because the
monument may not be there by the time my children and your children
would be old
enough to visit it in one of their History classes with their History
Professor from the Gambia University who would tell them that the
History of our this tiny country could be condensed into basically four
phases:
first,it was the pre-White,pre-Colonial Feudal Society Phase;then
followed by a long
brutal era of British Colonialism and exploitation,subjugation and
humiliation;and then a third Phase in which a heartless black criminal
oligarchy with Gambian passports and British
dreams of exploitation ruled for thirty-two eternal years,during which
they successfully hynotized almost all Gambians into believing that
even though their country was tiny,poor and ignorant it was still the
Switzerland of west Africa, because the peace,quiet and tranquility it
had was very much in short supply elsewhere on the Continent.And then
came the fourth and crucial Phase known as the JULY 22 PHASE, when the
the Gambian nation was rid of the oligarchy by a group of young
patriotic Gambian soldiers who restored the country ,its politics,its
resources and its dignity back to its rightful owners,the Gambian
people.The professor would then point to the the number twenty-two on
the front panel of the arch and explain to them that it symbolises the
fateful day in july 1994 when the criminal clan and their henchmen and
-women that had mindlessly and contemptuously conspired to defraud the
the Gambian people for three decades was dethroned and expelled from the
echelons of power in our
beloved country;the first day that tyranny and contempt for the Gambian
people ended and the first day that real independence and nationhood
began;
the very first day that that mass hypnosis was replaced by mass
infrastructural constructions;the very first day that the politics and
affairs of the Gambian state became a mass property as opposed to being
the monopoly of few over-fed elites who had so much contempt for the
Gambian people.
So,ANNA,for me personally,the historical,philosopical,aesthetical and
moral significance of the ARCH far outways,or should I say
overwhelms,the couple of peanuts spent to erect it or even the clumsy=20
and haphazard manner in which the entire project was executed;for me,it
is the symbolic representation of the revolution that destroyed the
power structures of the very criminal clique that had sucked the Gambian
blood for so long AND WITH with such impunity.So,my failure to comment
on this
edifice has nothing to do with either its high price tag or the
whimsical process that gave rise to its construction,but everything to
do with my obsession with the structures that make life easier for the
ordinary Gambian folks.But ,for the records,I do love ARCH 22 very
much,its defects notwithstanding,because every historic epoch needs a
monument ,not only
as a tribute and a testament to the achievements and failures of that
epoch,but also as a remider and source of inspiration for the succeeding
generations.And ,quite evidently,there is no monument that can so
eloquently tell the story of the Revolution that took place in the
Gambia
in July 22,more than ARCH 22.
Regards Basss!!
--=20
SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
--=20
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:43:43 EST
From: "SIRLEAF,ANSUMANA" <ASIRLEAF@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: introduction
Message-ID: <23JAN97.24547079.0031.MUSIC@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
Ladies, and Gentleman;
My name is Ansumana Sirleaf affectionally called Ansu Sirleaf.
I am from Monrovia, Liberia,and a sophomore student at Transylvania
University in Lexington,Kentucky.
Thanks for subscribing me in the Gambia - L, and I will be very glad
share information with you guys from my country later.
Best regard.
Ansu Sirleaf
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 06:36:19 +0000
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <19970124053649.AAA14100@LOCALNAME>
Gambia-l,
Marie Saine has been added to the list and as a custom, we expect to
have an introduction from her. Welcome to the Gambia-l Marie, please
send an introduction of yourself to the list.
Regards
Momodou Camara
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:18:00 +0800 (SGT)
From: Marie Saine <9540008@talabah.iiu.my>
To: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk
Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: New member
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.970123215835.21844A-100000@talabah.iiu.my>
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My name is Marie Saine. I am a Gambian but presently studing in
International Islamic University Malaysia. I attended Albion Primary
School and having passed my Common Entrance Examination,I proceeded to
Saint Joseph's High School. I sat for my O'levels in 1992 and was admitted
in Saint Augustine's High for my A'levels which was successfully
completed in 1994. I then went to UK for a course in Infomation
Technology. I am now reading law in the above mentioned University.
Thanks
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 07:19:40 +0100
From: momodou@inform-bbs.dk (Momodou Camara)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Fwd: UN: Human Rights Defenders
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Subject: UN: Human Rights Defenders
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Protection for Human Rights Defenders Needs Defense
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Further background information on the Human Rights Defenders
Declaration is being posted on HRI's Web Site:
http://www.hri.ca/uninfo/hrbodies/defender.htm
Should you have any questions or wish to discuss aspects of
this initiative, feel free to contact:
Laurie S. Wiseberg, Executive Director
Human Rights Internet, 8 York St, Suite 302
Ottawa, Ontario K1S 0W1, Canada
Tel (1-613) 789-7407; Fax (1-613) 789-7414
E-mail: <<hri=40hri.ca> or <<laurie=40hri.ca>
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DEFEND YOUR RIGHT TO DEFEND HUMAN RIGHTS
Dear Friends
We have an urgent matter to bring to your attention that
requires immediate action. Below is background information on
the UN Draft Declaration on Human Rights Defenders, which is
under negotiation in Geneva. Please consider whether you
and/or your organization can sign the attached joint NGO
statement on the Declaration and send your responses as soon
as possible.
Thank you for your attention=21
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Did you know...
* that governments are drafting a Declaration to Protect the
Rights of Human Rights Defenders at the United Nations?
* that negotiations are being held hostage by some
governments' proposals to erode existing standards which
recognize rights to free speech, assembly, access to
information, etc. that are necessary to promote and protect
human rights?
* that the Human Rights Defenders Declaration UN Working Group
will be meeting February 24-28 in Geneva?
* that there is a danger of the Working Group being abandoned
due to lack of progress, or worse, that the Declaration will
approve unacceptable restrictions on human rights advocacy?
* that there is urgent need to for you to speak up now by
contacting us, your government and other UN delegates?
DO NOT DELAY=21 JOIN US AND DEFEND YOUR RIGHT TO DEFEND
HUMAN RIGHTS=21
OVERVIEW
In 1985, the UN Commission on Human Rights established a
committee, called a =22working group=22, to draft a UN Declaration
on the Right and Responsibility of Individuals, Groups, and
Organs of Society to Promote and Protect Universally
Recognized Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. The Working
Group, composed of government representatives, is also open to
participation by all interested NGOs. So far, it has almost
agreed on the text of a declaration. Yet several of the most
critical rights for human rights defenders remain unresolved.=20
It seemed that the Declaration would be completed in 1992, but
a few governments obstructed its completion by proposing
measures that would restrict the rights of human rights
defenders rather than protect them. The Working Group normally
operates by consensus rather than voting; one country or a
handful can block the whole process. At present, the Working
Group has not yet reached final agreement on the following
issues:
* Some governments are insisting on including language that
would require human rights defenders to carry out their work
in conformity with national laws and regulations. In
countries where national laws and regulations do not protect
rights to free speech, association, movement, etc., such an
agreement in a UN text would be very dangerous. In many
countries, national laws fall short of international
standards. Language affirming that international law is the
framework is essential.
* Many delegations have challenged language guaranteeing the
right of defenders =22individually and in association with
others, to solicit, receive and utilize voluntary financial
or other contributions, for the purpose of promoting and
protecting, through peaceful means, human rights and
fundamental freedoms=22. At issue is whether the Declaration
should spell this out specifically or not. For many NGOs,
this is a critical issue. To do a professional job, NGOs
need the freedom to organize and fund their activities. For
certain governments, this is one of the most controversial
issues and it will be difficult for it to emerge as part of
the final draft.
* Other unresolved issues include whether groups have the
right to defend the rights of others as well as one's own
(troubling proposals state that one should only be allowed
to advocate on behalf of one's own rights), the right to
defend those who cannot appoint a representative (such as
the =22disappeared=22 or minor children), and the right to
advocate outside of one's own country.
RESULTS FROM THE 1996 WORKING GROUP SESSION
Because of a stalemate at the week-long 1996 meeting of the
working group, a recommendation was adopted by consensus for
the Chairman-Rapporteur, Jan Helgesen of Norway, to develop an
entirely new, consolidated text. Many delegates to the
Working Group supported this because opposing countries were
inserting ever-increasing and redundant restrictions into the
text.
Some of the governments which have been most supportive of a
strong Declaration are considering abandoning it at this point
due to lack of progress. Small participation by NGOs in the
effort gives them the impression that the Declaration is not
important to NGOs, the groups it would protect. For this
reason, we believe that it is essential for NGOs throughout
the world to make their voices heard on this matter before it
is too late.
WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO:
* Send a message to governments, including your own, stating:
(1) that they should work for the strongest possible draft
that would protect all human rights defenders and groups;
(2) that they should make sure there are no restrictions on
human rights advocacy; and
(3) that they should not abandon this effort. (Send them a
message by e-mail, letter or fax, preferably to their UN
mission in Geneva. Selected contact information is at the
end of this document).
* Sign on to a joint NGO statement sponsored by the
International Human Rights Council at The Carter Center,
Human Rights Internet and the Jacob Blaustein Institute for
the Advancement of Human Rights. (The text of the statement
is below.)
* Send a message to Jan Helgesen, Chairman-Rapporteur of the
Defenders Declaration Working Group concerning your views on
the Declaration at: Faculty of Law, University of Oslo, Karl
Johans Street 47 N-0162 OSLO, NORWAY; Fax. (47-22) 859-620
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JOINT NGO STATEMENT
ON HUMAN RIGHTS DEFENDERS DECLARATION
We, the undersigned, appeal to member states of the United
Nations engaged in negotiations on the Draft Declaration on
the Right and Responsibility of Individuals, Groups, and
Organs of Society to Promote and Protect Universally
=0ARecognized Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms to work
toward completing a strong declaration, as soon as possible.
Given the importance and precarious nature of the work
conducted by human rights defenders at all levels, it is
essential that this Declaration affirm the vital role of human
rights advocates and their right to promote and protect human
rights at home and abroad.
We believe that stronger efforts must be made to reach an
acceptable text and that this effort must not be abandoned.
Governments should insist on the inclusion in the Declaration
of the following rights of human rights defenders that are
still under discussion. These are core rights which already
exist in other international agreements in other forms and
they must be upheld:
* the right to advocate human rights ideas freely and openly
and to communicate them to others;
* the right to participate in non-violent activities aimed at
promoting observance of human rights;
* the right to use the law and state institutions in the
defense of human rights, and to appeal to them when the
victims cannot do so for themselves;
* the right to form, join or affiliate with national, regional
or international human rights organizations;
* the right to receive and publish information at home and
abroad;
* the right to obtain and utilize the resources necessary for
human rights defense;
* the right to communicate with national and international
NGOs on human rights issues and to have access to
intergovernmental organizations;
* the right to defend human rights in a manner consistent with
international standards, without being constrained by national
laws and regulations that fall short of international
standards.
* the right to defend the rights of others as well as one's
own.
It is our view that compromise on any of these principles
would erode rights that are already guaranteed to defenders by
existing international human rights instruments. We cannot
accept such an outcome. We are counting on the commitment of
justice-minded governments to support the above as a minimal
negotiating position and to bring the Declaration to a
successful speedy conclusion.
=0A
Signed,
Name:
Organization:
Address:
Phone:
Fax:
E-mail:
Comments:
Send above to Human Rights Internet at:
advocacy=40humanrights-hri.org
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=0ASELECTED CONTACT INFORMATION FOR
UN MISSIONS IN GENEVA
Phone and Fax numbers for States that are members of
the 1997 Session of the Commission on Human Rights:
Dial 41-22 for Geneva, unless State does not have
mission in Geneva, in which case country and city
codes will appear before phone and fax numbers.
AFRICAN STATES
Algeria: Phone 774 19 85 - 774 19 86; Fax 774 30 49
Angola: Phone 348 40 50; Fax 348 40 46
Benin: Phone (0032 2) 374 91 92 - 375 06 74; Fax (0032 2) 375
83 26
Cape Verde: Phone (0049 228) 26 50 02; Fax (0049 228) 26 50 61
Egypt: Phone 731 65 30 - 731 65 39 - 731 26 38; Fax 738 44 15
Ethiopia: Phone 733 07 50 - 733 07 58 - 733 07 59; Fax 740 11
29
Gabon: Phone 345 80 01 - 345 72 17; Fax 340 23 09
Guinea: Phone (001 212) 687 8115 - 687 8116 - 687 8117; Fax
(001 212) 687 8248
Madagascar: Phone 740 16 50 - 740 27 14; Fax 740 16 16
Mali: Phone (0049 228) 35 70 48; Fax (0049 228) 36 19 22
Mozambique: Phone 347 90 46; Fax 347 90 45
South Africa: Phone 849 54 54; Fax 849 54 32
Uganda: Phone (0032 2) 762 58 25; Fax (0032 2) 763 04 38
Zaire: Phone 740 22 85; Fax 740 37 44
Zimbabwe: Phone 758 30 11 - 758 30 13 - 758 30 26; Fax 758 30
44
ASIAN STATES
Bangladesh: Phone 732 59 40 - 732 59 49; Fax 738 46 16
Bhutan: Phone 798 79 71; Fax 788 25 93
China: Phone 792 25 48 - 792 25 43 - 793 35 91 - 792 25 37
(HR); Fax 793 70 14
India: Phone 732 08 59; Fax 731 54 71 - 738 45 48
Indonesia: Phone 345 33 50 - 345 33 57 - 345 33 58 - 345 33
59; Fax 345 57 33
Japan: Phone 717 31 11; Fax 788 38 11
Korea: Phone 791 01 11; Fax 788 62 49
Malaysia: Phone 788 15 05 - 788 15 09 - 788 15 23; Fax 788 04
92
Nepal: Phone 344 44 41 - 345 29 34; Fax 344 40 93
Pakistan: Phone 734 77 60; Fax 734 80 85
Philippines: Phone 731 83 20 - 731 83 29; Fax 731 68 88
Sri Lanka: Phone 734 93 40 - 734 93 49 - 734 98 50; Fax 734 90
84
EASTERN EUROPEAN STATES
Belarus: Phone 734 38 44; Fax 734 38 44
Bulgaria: Phone 798 03 00 - 798 03 01; Fax 798 03 02
Czech Republic: Phone 740 38 88 - 740 36 68 - 740 36 61; Fax
740 36 62
Russia: Phone 733 18 70 - 734 66 30 - 734 46 18; Fax PPhone=20
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:52:15 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:48:40 JST +900
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Gambia-l,
Shall we pose for a moment and reconsider some of our arguments.
There has been so much comparison between Jawara and Jammeh that I
fear history may come to repeat itself. 30 years of PPP rule is
today dubbed by many as three lost decades, for whatever reason only
the sayers could say. Many of us have so easily forgotten that
despite the chance we had to rectify the `anomalies', most of us
felt content with the status quo ante. Praise singing of the PPP was
a norm; dissent was sacrilege. With all its pitfalls, we must credit
PPP for making Gambia the smiling coast of Africa. There was peace,
mutual understanding, and a balance in administration. All these were
relative; comparable to the best that most of our neighbours yearned
for. This credit we must give the PPP. Inflation was close to single
digit, cost of living manageable, and expectations about the future
positive. For most of the time, rule of law and stability were
ensured. Remember this was done in 30 years!--to long?
Secondly, who were the PPP government? You and I. The revelations of
the various commissions indicated one fact very clearly, i.e., it was
businessmen and CIVIL SERVANTS who wreaked havoc on our own people.
The politicians had their share, but we the commoners had the lion's
share. We all wanted to work for the Customs Dept. or another similar
institution where fiddling was possible!
More importantly, aren't we too quick in passing judgement on Yahya.
Should we compare a two-year old to an adult of 30? Remember that
a political race of this kind, especially in Africa, is never won until
it is over. Today we are saying all this about PPP because they are
out of power. Why don't we give the APRC time to wean off from the
breast. Let the dust settle and then we take count. Who knows they may
come out even better than we think. But before then it is prudent for
us to exercise restraint in casting blame and praise when it is still
sunrise. The temperature may rise!
TO BE CONTINUED>
Lamin drammeh.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:02:07 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: New member
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Marie Saine wrote:
>=20
> My name is Marie Saine. I am a Gambian but presently studing in
> International Islamic University Malaysia. I attended Albion Primary
> School and having passed my Common Entrance Examination,I proceeded to
> Saint Joseph's High School. I sat for my O'levels in 1992 and was admit=
ted
> in Saint Augustine's High for my A'levels which was successfully
> completed in 1994. I then went to UK for a course in Infomation
> Technology. I am now reading law in the above mentioned University.
>=20
> Thanks
MARIE!!
Welcome onboard,you would simply love it down here! I am an
ex-ST.AUGUSTINIAN myself,but that was centuries ago.SO,keep up being
smart and participate fully in the Gambia Debate.
Once again WELCOME !!
Regards Bassss!!
--=20
SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:23:30 -0500
From: Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
To: "'GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>,
"'KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA'" <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
Subject: RE: REQUEST DENIED!!!
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=PRC%l=CRY1-970124132330Z-32277@mcl2.prc.com>
Bass:
Did I imply in what I wrote that you normally "think with other people's
heads"!! I certainly hope not and if I did, it was not intended. I do
not make assumptions on other people's thinking faculties when our only
interaction has been through this medium. Carefully read what I wrote,
(another request you have every right to deny, for no where do I suggest
that linking public figures to their places of origin is unflattering.
Every person in Gambia knows the origin of Jawara and Jammeh. We cannot
keep on comparing the two people (30 years vs. 2 years) when other
substantive issues should be addressed. Learn not repeat the misdeeds
of the past and do away with our complacency.
And Bass, allowing one's freedom or personal style to be suffocated
would tantamount to thinking with other people's heads, a practice to be
avoided.
Respectfully,
Soffie ("Many receive advice, only the wise profit from it." - Syrus)
>----------
>From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH[SMTP:KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA]
>
>SOFFIE!!
> THANKS FOR YOUR ADVICE,BUT NO THANKS.BECAUSE I DON'T NORMALLY
>THINK WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S HEADS.IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS ANYTHING
>UNFLATTERING ABOUT LINKING PUBLIC FIGURES TO THEIR ORIGINS,THAT IS VERY
>SAD INDEED.BUT SINCE YOU ARE NOT QUESTIONING EITHER MY IDEAS OR THE
>LOGIC I USE TO EXPRESS THEM,BUT ONLY ATTEMPTING TO SUFFOCATE MY FREEDOM
>AND PERSONAL STYLE,THERE IS NOT MUCH I CAN TELL YOU EXCEPT THAT YOUR
>REQUEST IS DENIED.
>
> REGARDS BASSS!!
>--=20
>SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
>
>
>
>
>--
>SZDD^?'3Af?
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:27:38 -0500
From: Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: FW: REQUEST DENIED!!!
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=PRC%l=CRY1-970124142738Z-32395@mcl2.prc.com>
>----------
>From: Ceesay Soffie
>Sent: Friday, January 24, 1997 8:23AM
>To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List;
>'KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA'
>Subject: RE: REQUEST DENIED!!!
>
>Bass:
>
>Did I imply in what I wrote that you normally "think with other people's
>heads"!! I certainly hope not and if I did, it was not intended. I do not
>make assumptions on other people's thinking faculties when our only
>interaction has been through this medium. Carefully read what I wrote,
>(another request you have every right to deny, for no where do I suggest that
>linking public figures to their places of origin is unflattering. Every
>person in Gambia knows the origin of Jawara and Jammeh. We cannot keep on
>comparing the two people (30 years vs. 2 years) when other substantive issues
>should be addressed. Learn not repeat the misdeeds of the past and do away
>with our complacency.
>
>And Bass, allowing one's freedom or personal style to be suffocated would
>tantamount to thinking with other people's heads, a practice to be avoided.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Soffie ("Many receive advice, only the wise profit from it." - Syrus)
>
>
>
>----------
>From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH[SMTP:KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA]
>
>SOFFIE!!
> THANKS FOR YOUR ADVICE,BUT NO THANKS.BECAUSE I DON'T NORMALLY
>THINK WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S HEADS.IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS ANYTHING
>UNFLATTERING ABOUT LINKING PUBLIC FIGURES TO THEIR ORIGINS,THAT IS VERY
>SAD INDEED.BUT SINCE YOU ARE NOT QUESTIONING EITHER MY IDEAS OR THE
>LOGIC I USE TO EXPRESS THEM,BUT ONLY ATTEMPTING TO SUFFOCATE MY FREEDOM
>AND PERSONAL STYLE,THERE IS NOT MUCH I CAN TELL YOU EXCEPT THAT YOUR
>REQUEST IS DENIED.
>
> REGARDS BASSS!!
>--=20
>SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
>
>
>
>
>--
>SZDD^?'3Af?
>
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 16:09:22 +-100
From: "Matarr M. Jeng." <mmjeng@image.dk>
To: "'The Gambia And Related Issues Mailing List'"
<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: South Africa- Aids.
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News Stories | Environment | Economics | Science and Health | Sports | =
Africa Press Review=20
Copyright 1996 Panafrican News Agency and Africa News Service. All =
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23 Jan 97 - South Africa-AIDS=20
South African To Fund Possible AIDS Breakthrough=20
>From Lionel Williams ; PANA Correspondent=20
JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (PANA) - The South African cabinet is =
considering the funding of advanced research into an anti-AIDS =
medication which the country's researchers claim has produced far better =
results than any existing drug.=20
The Johannesburg daily newspaper "The Citizen" reports that a team of =
scientists from the University of Pretoria Wednesday briefed the cabinet =
on the new medicine -- Virodene P158 -- which they claim could even pull =
full-blown AIDS sufferers from the brink of death. They are asking for =
about 800,000 U.S. dollars in state funding to continue their research.=20
"We should indeed assist with regard to the encouragement of such =
research," Deputy-President Thabo Mbeki told the media after the =
meeting. He said a final decision on the funding would be taken soon.=20
Both the scientists and some of the volunteer patients involved in the =
project said they believed the research gave rise to fresh hopes that a =
definite cure for AIDS might be found before the turn of the century.=20
Their short-term prognosis is that Virodene -- the chemical composition =
-- kills the HIV in the body and allows people infected with the virus =
to live a long and normal life.=20
While another two years of research is required to determine whether the =
drug will ultimately cure AIDS, another six months of testing will =
determine whether there is any re-emergence of the virus in any patient =
who has undergone the full Virodene treatment.=20
One of the scientists involved estimated that Virodene would cost AIDS =
patients only between 18 and 35 dollars a month. Indications were that =
only a six to eight-week course of Virodene would be required.=20
Prominent AIDS researchers here -- although delighted by the news -- =
reacted cautiously when they were informed about the breakthrough.=20
The head of the AIDS Virus Research Unit of the Medical Research Council =
of South Africa, Dr. Des Martin, said they were clearly interested and =
excited about any news regarding potential cures and remedies for AIDS.=20
But, he pointed out that it was difficult to comment on the scientific =
merits of the so-called cure, since the evidence had not yet been =
submitted for scientific scrutiny or peer review.=20
"We wait with interest the case studies which should be made available =
to the scientific community at large," he said.=20
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:57:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Relevant Quotes
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"Apathy is the glove into which evil slips its head."
-Bodie Thoene
"In politics, what begins in fear usually ends in folly."
-Samuel Taylor Coleridge
As you can tell, I 've caught up with my work and I am back in the fold!
Peace!
Amadou Scattred Janneh
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:09:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Amadou Scattred Janneh <AJANNEH@pstcc.cc.tn.us>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
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Gambia-l:
Mr. Yunusa Bah of Quantum Associates Co. in The Gambia has just been added
to our Bantaba (electronic "gathering" place). In keeping with tradition,
we expect a brief intro from him soon.
Amadou
Scattred Janneh
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 02:38:11 JST +900
From: binta@iuj.ac.jp
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Political Reasoning II
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Gambia-l,
I wish to pick up from where I left......
We all want a better Gambia and a better world where people of all
shades may live together without fear and with little prejudice. Over
the past weeks, discussions centred on ethnicity in the Gambia, but I
think the issue was blown out of proportion. Thanks to the timely
intervention of Dr. Nyang 'Cowards' like me were able to stay out.
A discussion of that nature is meaningful only when its objective is to
educate. But when it is meant to arouse sentiments, reasoning may
give way to political rhetorics. The Gambia is at a cross-road where
the old meets the new; the former 'elitists' vs 'saviours'. Upon all
this, the wrestle ground is bare; the Gambia, an entity often called
a political and economic absurdity still reeling from that stigma.
Tell me, given our resources, do we expect miracles? And if they do
happen against our expectations, mustn't they be questioned. For only
then can we satisfy our detractors. The surname of governance is
accountability for otherwise its mother will become revolution.
Can we recall the postings on Daily Observer's future and on the
swearing-in of the new Speaker. These postings are very dissimilar
but with clear messages to all lovers of the Gambia--the dearth of
human resources in our country. The Observer's problems feature the
lack of Gambian technicians who can handle the printing machines! Our
Speaker of the House was sworn-in to office by yet another foreign
Chief Justice! Tell me, when are we going to have a Gambian CJ
(may the soul of Justice Solomon Njie RIP), and
when will we have enough technical people to run our businesses?
Isn't this a more important issue to discuss than bickering over
things which many a time are a figment of the mind? What can be done
about our education policy? How do we encourage older lawyers to take
up seats on the bench? What is wrong with the Personnel Management
Office (PMO)? Why do we continue to spend thousands of Pounds
training hundreds of Accounting Technicians only for these to follow
economic reasoning and seek better jobs while our hospitals are
manned by outside doctors--Cubans, Chinese etc? Please help with
cogent suggestions which can be forwarded, perhaps thru' Tombong, to
Gambian policy makers. Remember, Japan was able to rise from the
ashes of WWII simply because of its highly cherished human resource.
Thank you all.
Lamin Drammeh.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:03:37 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: FW: REQUEST DENIED!!!
Message-ID: <31067479.2B7A@QATAR.NET.QA>
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Ceesay Soffie wrote:
>=20
> >----------
> >From: Ceesay Soffie
> >Sent: Friday, January 24, 1997 8:23AM
> >To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List;
> >'KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA'
> >Subject: RE: REQUEST DENIED!!!
> >
> >Bass:
> >
> >Did I imply in what I wrote that you normally "think with other people=
's
> >heads"!! I certainly hope not and if I did, it was not intended. I d=
o not
> >make assumptions on other people's thinking faculties when our only
> >interaction has been through this medium. Carefully read what I wrote=
,
> >(another request you have every right to deny, for no where do I sugge=
st that
> >linking public figures to their places of origin is unflattering. Eve=
ry
> >person in Gambia knows the origin of Jawara and Jammeh. We cannot kee=
p on
> >comparing the two people (30 years vs. 2 years) when other substantive=
issues
> >should be addressed. Learn not repeat the misdeeds of the past and do=
away
> >with our complacency.
> >
> >And Bass, allowing one's freedom or personal style to be suffocated wo=
uld
> >tantamount to thinking with other people's heads, a practice to be avo=
ided.
> >
> >Respectfully,
> >
> >Soffie ("Many receive advice, only the wise profit from it." - Syrus=
)
> >
> >
> >
> >----------
> >From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH[SMTP:KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA]
> >
> >SOFFIE!!
> > THANKS FOR YOUR ADVICE,BUT NO THANKS.BECAUSE I DON'T NORMALLY
> >THINK WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S HEADS.IF YOU BELIEVE THERE IS ANYTHING
> >UNFLATTERING ABOUT LINKING PUBLIC FIGURES TO THEIR ORIGINS,THAT IS VER=
Y
> >SAD INDEED.BUT SINCE YOU ARE NOT QUESTIONING EITHER MY IDEAS OR THE
> >LOGIC I USE TO EXPRESS THEM,BUT ONLY ATTEMPTING TO SUFFOCATE MY FREEDO=
M
> >AND PERSONAL STYLE,THERE IS NOT MUCH I CAN TELL YOU EXCEPT THAT YOUR
> >REQUEST IS DENIED.
> >
> > REGARDS BASSS!!
> >--=3D20
> >SZDD=3D88=3DF0'3Af=3DA8=3D03
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >SZDD^?'3Af?=03
> >
> >
SOFFIE!!
In case you have forgotten what you wrote,it will be my pleasure to
remind you: "To Mr. Bass, could you please refrain from referring to
Yaya Jammeh as
the Bwiam boy and Mr. Jawara as the man from Barra Jalli - I believe the
connotation to be unflattering and that they serve no purpose. Yaya is
Yaya and Mr. Jawara is Mr. Jawara - all Gambians. Thanks to all for the
indulgence."
As I said earlier, I am much more comfortable defending my ideas than
having to explain
my freedom and personal style of expressing myself,but if you are still
adamant that constantly linking FaFa Jawara to BARRA JALLI and YAYA to
Buyam serves no purpose I can tell you for a fact that it does.If you
have ever taken a course in Rhetoric you would have known that STATING
THE OBVIOUS and constantly REPEATING WHAT IS FAMILIAR to your audience
can do wonders in the way of bringing them around to your way of
thinking.The fact that both Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Reverend
Jesse Jackson are two of the finest orators America has ever known is in
a way related to their exceptional mastery of these two techniques.And
if you have been following the recently concluded American Presidential
Race, you would have noticed that there was a point in the campaign when
the word BILL CLINTON was almost synonymous with ARKANSAS ; ever heard
of the COMEBACK KID FROM HOPE ? Sure you have.So, the fact that you are
not aware that something has a purpose doesn't mean that it doesn't have
one.=20
Regards Basss!!!
Soffie
WHEN A PEOPLE VOTE LIKE SHEEP THEY JUST MIGHT BE LED TO THE SLAUGHTER -
NEVER VOTE BECAUSE YOU FEAR THE GUN!!!!
>----------
>From: BALA SAHO[SMTP:B.S.Saho@sussex.ac.uk]
>Sent: Thursday, January 23, 1997 10:19AM
>To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
>Subject: RE:observations on Gambia-l
>
>
>
>Mr. Jawara, and all Gambians
>PLEASE PLEASE, I am not sure... if you are not sentimentalis
--=20
SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:20:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Debbie Proctor <proctord@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Request for list subscription
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Could you please add Deeqa Kosar email: kosarsar@scn.org to the list.
She is very interested is The Gambia issues.
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:43:41 -0800
From: sarian@osmosys.incog.com (Sarian Loum)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <199701241843.KAA23883@thesky.incog.com>
All,
Deeqa Kosar of Seattle, Washington has been added to the list as requested. We welcome her and expect an intro the list. Deeqa please send in your intro to gambial-l when you can. Again welcome!
Sarian
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:19:48 -0500
From: Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: tip of the week
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=PRC%l=CRY1-970124191948Z-32771@mcl2.prc.com>
Ergonomics:
* You'll notice that if you're at your computer for a while, your
shoulders, elbows, and wrists tend to tense up. Give your arms a little
break. Stretch out, shake them around, or do whatever. It'll be a
little embarrassing to tell someone that you injured yourself, not from
physical exertion but, from sitting at your computer.
* One thing I've noticed when walking around to other people's computers
is the positioning of the monitors. It's best for your eyes if the
monitor is parallel to your face, and straight out in front of you.
This may sound a little obvious, but you don't know how many people I've
seen with their monitors pointing to the ceiling, or in some strange
position in which you'd have to do yoga just to see the screen.
Consumer:
I've had a week now to use the just released MS Office 97, and from my
first impressions, I'm very...impressed. For a relatively mere $200 you
can upgrade to the Office 97 standard version, or $300 for the Pro
version (with Access and Bookshelf). You can upgrade if you have
practically any old office-type application (see the box for details).
That beats spending $500 or more for the full version.
All the main applications look familiar (Word, Excel, PP) so you won't
have to change your habits to do what you usually do. There are so many
positive new features that listing them would take too long, but the
main ones are: conversion to Web format, default version saving, and
multiple versions in one file. You know how sometimes when you're
opening a document and it says somebody else is using it? Well, now,
everyone in a workgroup can edit the same document.
Other highlights include MS Outlook which replaces Exchange and
Schedule Plus, and Office Art and Office Draw which in most cases
eliminate the need for other drawing applications. Office 97 also
performs faster than Office 95, and is more backwards compatible.
The only thing that bugged me were the animated helper characters that
Microsoft included to help you while you're working. These things posed
no help to me whatsoever, though they were pretty cool to watch.
Though the price for this version is about the same as past versions,
I'd say this is the biggest improvement in MS Office from version to
version I've seen. It's not going to make you run around in the streets
proclaiming this is the best deal in software you've ever gotten (that
would be MS Internet Explorer 3.01 in my opinion because it's free), but
among all office suites (Microsoft, Corel, Lotus) past and near-future
this is the best one I've seen.
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:15:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu>
To: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
Cc: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: 'THE ARCH 22 FIASCO'
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Well I am sorry for incorrectly quoting 10 million dollars instead of=20
dalasis. The last time I checked $1.5 million was never considered=20
peanuts. Even though the current government is TRYING to develop the=20
Gambia by concentrating on infrastructures (good or not), the Ebou=20
Jallow case clearly reveals that they are not free of corruption. Agreed=20
they are building hospitals and schools to benefit the poor, but are=20
they enough qualified nurses and teachers, respectively, to work in these=
=20
places? Should we say that it is the infrastructure that matters and not=20
the quality of the service offered? I know that inorder for the Gambia to=
=20
develop, we must all try to work together, but this can only happen if=20
input comes from both the citizens and the government. What I really mean=
=20
is that a true democracy must exist, not threatening to kill journalists=
=20
and citizens for voicing out their opinions. Until then I am afraid that=20
most of our efforts will be fruitless.=20
Anna.
On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, BASS=20
KOLLEH DRAMMEH wrote:
> ANNA!
> I know that I sometimes bore some people with my these
> INFRASTRUCTURAL'SONGS',and that I never tire of either singing them to
> my self or making others listen to them when I sing,just like what my
> wife does
> with the Yusu Ndure songs, only that mine has a much more serious side
> to it than hers.
>=20
> I normally enjoy more talking about those structures that are
> functional,that impact on the lives of ordinary men and women,boys and
> girls in the Gambia:the FarraFeni Hospital ,for instance;the Gambia
> Port;the Primary and secondary schools that keep on popping all over the
> place with dizzying regularity nowadays;the tv.station that not only
> makes it possible for the Government's opponents to hurl insults at the
> very revolution that made it possible for them to appear on a t.v.
> screen for the first time in their lives,but also puts an end to
> our nations infantile dependence on the the Senegalese t.v.,thus
> reclaiming some of our almost lost national pride. So,these practial
> structures are the kinds of structures that I enjoy talking about
> most.But if you think there is something so fishy about the ARCH 22 that
> makes me evade talking about it,I can try my hands on that too.
>=20
> First of all,I don't know what type of arithmetic you used to arrive at
> the number:$10million Dollars as the construction cost of the
> ARCH,because the last time I checked with my NEW AFRICA MAGAZINE the
> number Quoted there was $1.5million Dollars.SO,you either did not do
> your homework,or simply inflated the number for propaganda
> purposes,which makes me wonder if your other claim that no feasibilty=20
> study was conducted prior to the construction of the monument is also
> correct.But I can still,for the sake of the argument,assume that you
> are correct that Mr.Jammeh capriciously,scandalouly,and wastefully spent
> $10 precious Million Dollars of one of the poorest countries of the
> world on an insignificant structure that is now at the brink of falling
> apart because of its structural inability to withstand the vibrations
> caused by passing vehicles.If that is the case,then I am very sorry and
> sad about that,not because of the millions of dollars that went into its=
=20
> construction - those are peanuts compared to the $600 milion thieved by
> the FaFa Jawara-Saihou sabally Criminal Syndicate - but because the
> monument may not be there by the time my children and your children
> would be old
> enough to visit it in one of their History classes with their History
> Professor from the Gambia University who would tell them that the
> History of our this tiny country could be condensed into basically four
> phases:
> first,it was the pre-White,pre-Colonial Feudal Society Phase;then
> followed by a long
> brutal era of British Colonialism and exploitation,subjugation and
> humiliation;and then a third Phase in which a heartless black criminal
> oligarchy with Gambian passports and British
> dreams of exploitation ruled for thirty-two eternal years,during which
> they successfully hynotized almost all Gambians into believing that
> even though their country was tiny,poor and ignorant it was still the
> Switzerland of west Africa, because the peace,quiet and tranquility it
> had was very much in short supply elsewhere on the Continent.And then
> came the fourth and crucial Phase known as the JULY 22 PHASE, when the
> the Gambian nation was rid of the oligarchy by a group of young
> patriotic Gambian soldiers who restored the country ,its politics,its
> resources and its dignity back to its rightful owners,the Gambian
> people.The professor would then point to the the number twenty-two on
> the front panel of the arch and explain to them that it symbolises the
> fateful day in july 1994 when the criminal clan and their henchmen and
> -women that had mindlessly and contemptuously conspired to defraud the
> the Gambian people for three decades was dethroned and expelled from the
> echelons of power in our
> beloved country;the first day that tyranny and contempt for the Gambian
> people ended and the first day that real independence and nationhood
> began;
> the very first day that that mass hypnosis was replaced by mass
> infrastructural constructions;the very first day that the politics and
> affairs of the Gambian state became a mass property as opposed to being
> the monopoly of few over-fed elites who had so much contempt for the
> Gambian people.
>=20
> So,ANNA,for me personally,the historical,philosopical,aesthetical and
> moral significance of the ARCH far outways,or should I say
> overwhelms,the couple of peanuts spent to erect it or even the clumsy=20
> and haphazard manner in which the entire project was executed;for me,it
> is the symbolic representation of the revolution that destroyed the
> power structures of the very criminal clique that had sucked the Gambian
> blood for so long AND WITH with such impunity.So,my failure to comment
> on this
> edifice has nothing to do with either its high price tag or the
> whimsical process that gave rise to its construction,but everything to
> do with my obsession with the structures that make life easier for the
> ordinary Gambian folks.But ,for the records,I do love ARCH 22 very
> much,its defects notwithstanding,because every historic epoch needs a
> monument ,not only
> as a tribute and a testament to the achievements and failures of that
> epoch,but also as a remider and source of inspiration for the succeeding
> generations.And ,quite evidently,there is no monument that can so
> eloquently tell the story of the Revolution that took place in the
> Gambia
> in July 22,more than ARCH 22.
>=20
> Regards Basss!!
> --=20
> SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
>=20
> --=20
> SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
>=20
>=20
**********************************************
*=09Anna Secka=09=09=09 *
* 312 Barnum Hall=09=09=09 *
* University of Bridgeport *
* Bridgeport, CT 06604 *
* Email: secka@cse.bridgeport.edu *=20
**********************************************
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 16:02:10 -0500
From: Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@ems.prc.com>
To: "'Gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <Gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: SIGNING OF ON - RE: FW: REQUEST DENIED!!!
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=PRC%l=CRY1-970124210210Z-32884@mcl2.prc.com>
Bass: - I have not taken a course in Rhetoric but I enjoy listening to
those who use it to make a relevant point, especially when it is for
progress, with civility. I am sure you are trying to make a point, I
just don't seem to get it. When I hear Clinton, I know he is the
president of the US, as was the case with Jawara, and should be for
Yaya. If you do come up with ideas they should be ones whose time have
come - you may not need to defend them then.
Respectfully
Soffie
>----------
>From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH[SMTP:KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 1996 1:03PM
>SOFFIE!!
> In case you have forgotten what you wrote,it will be my pleasure to
>remind you: "To Mr. Bass, could you please refrain from referring to
>Yaya Jammeh as
>the Bwiam boy and Mr. Jawara as the man from Barra Jalli - I believe the
>connotation to be unflattering and that they serve no purpose. Yaya is
>Yaya and Mr. Jawara is Mr. Jawara - all Gambians. Thanks to all for the
>indulgence."
>
>As I said earlier, I am much more comfortable defending my ideas than
>having to explain
>my freedom and personal style of expressing myself,but if you are still
>adamant that constantly linking FaFa Jawara to BARRA JALLI and YAYA to
>Buyam serves no purpose I can tell you for a fact that it does.If you
>have ever taken a course in Rhetoric you would have known that STATING
>THE OBVIOUS and constantly REPEATING WHAT IS FAMILIAR to your audience
>can do wonders in the way of bringing them around to your way of
>thinking.The fact that both Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Reverend
>Jesse Jackson are two of the finest orators America has ever known is in
>a way related to their exceptional mastery of these two techniques.And
>if you have been following the recently concluded American Presidential
>Race, you would have noticed that there was a point in the campaign when
>the word BILL CLINTON was almost synonymous with ARKANSAS ; ever heard
>of the COMEBACK KID FROM HOPE ? Sure you have.So, the fact that you are
>not aware that something has a purpose doesn't mean that it doesn't have
>one.
>
> Regards Basss!!!
>
>Soffie
>WHEN A PEOPLE VOTE LIKE SHEEP THEY JUST MIGHT BE LED TO THE SLAUGHTER -
>NEVER VOTE BECAUSE YOU FEAR THE GUN!!!!
>>----------
>>From: BALA SAHO[SMTP:B.S.Saho@sussex.ac.uk]
>>Sent: Thursday, January 23, 1997 10:19AM
>>To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
>>Subject: RE:observations on Gambia-l
>>
>>
>>
>>Mr. Jawara, and all Gambians
>>PLEASE PLEASE, I am not sure... if you are not sentimentalis
>--
>SZDD^?'3Af?
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:27:43 GMT+1
From: "Famara A. Sanyang" <famaraas@amadeus.cmi.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: RE:observations on Gambia-l
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Brothers & Sisters,
Thanks to everyone for their contributions and a warm welcome to all
our newest members.
Now to Mr. Jawara (Musa B.).
I know much have already been said about your posting, and for that
matter this will be short. I fully respect your disappointment, on
Gambia-l. Your disappointment is rightly based on your expectations.
As far as am concern (and I guess many agree with me), Gambia-l has been,
and is still a place where people interested in Gambian related
issues can discuss issues of common interest. Government officials
who subscribe in the list in their (un)official capacities, are free, to move
with ideas they pick up from their participation in the discussions.
What am trying to say is that this forum is not a "Government Policy Analysis
Unit" or a "An Opposition in exile". The fact is that many of the
list members are have "trained minds", and that put them in a
position to be able to criticise past and existing systems. Although
some of us tend to disclose qualities which smells of intellectual dishonestly, by
criticising just for the sake of criticising.( I remember being
accuse by some members of the list some time ago, for not being consequent, since, I
criticise the new regime today and praise them tomorrow.)
That some of the good ideas do not reach the policy makers or Gambian voters bac
k
home is not the fault of the Administrators, subscription managers or any individual
member of Gambia-l.
I don't know what you were thinking about when you started comparing
members of Gambia-l and Ex- president Jawara. As far as know the
people who initiated this network, and those maintaining it, are doing this
free of charge. In other words they are sacrificing the little time
they are spared by the modern capitalist system to keep us together.
I believe many people have written very good pieces, and that is for
the sake of sharing the little they know with us.
Many have been reacting negatively, to the comparison of our two post
independence regimes, but, not many seems to notice this absurd
comparison of Sir Dawda and the "Managers" of Gambia-l. Gambia-l
don't have a paid bureaucracy to implement it's ideas.
Rather than "shooting" the way you are doing come with some
suggestions on how we can get our ideas across to the Gambian
people at home, in order to contribute in the building of a better Gambia for
all.
Thanks for your attention.
Shalom,
Famara.
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 16:31:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Ousman Gajigo <gajigoo@wabash.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: 'THE ARCH 22 FIASCO'
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Bass,
>........If that is the case,then I am very sorry
> and sad about that,not because of the millions of dollars that went
> into its construction - those are peanuts compared to the $600
> milion thieved by the FaFa Jawara-Saihou sabally Criminal
Syndicate.....
>
We all know that the Jawara regime was very corrupt. By comparing
Jammeh regime with with former is backward thinking. Jammeh has done
some goods things since he came to power but a fact is a fact.
Corruption and embezzlement by Jammeh, however small in comparison to
Jawara's regime, is still corruption and embezzlement regardless of
whatever good he (Jammeh) did for the country.
Ousman
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:42:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Debbie Proctor <proctord@u.washington.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: tip of the week
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I agree, in all aspect of your message. MS Office even goes thru the
year 2100.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Debbie Proctor, Administrator U of W Conference Housing
(206) 543-8443 McCarty Hall, Box 354471
(206) 543-4094 Seattle, Wa. 98l95
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Ceesay Soffie wrote:
> Ergonomics:
> * You'll notice that if you're at your computer for a while, your
> shoulders, elbows, and wrists tend to tense up. Give your arms a little
> break. Stretch out, shake them around, or do whatever. It'll be a
> little embarrassing to tell someone that you injured yourself, not from
> physical exertion but, from sitting at your computer.
> * One thing I've noticed when walking around to other people's computers
> is the positioning of the monitors. It's best for your eyes if the
> monitor is parallel to your face, and straight out in front of you.
> This may sound a little obvious, but you don't know how many people I've
> seen with their monitors pointing to the ceiling, or in some strange
> position in which you'd have to do yoga just to see the screen.
>
> Consumer:
> I've had a week now to use the just released MS Office 97, and from my
> first impressions, I'm very...impressed. For a relatively mere $200 you
> can upgrade to the Office 97 standard version, or $300 for the Pro
> version (with Access and Bookshelf). You can upgrade if you have
> practically any old office-type application (see the box for details).
> That beats spending $500 or more for the full version.
> All the main applications look familiar (Word, Excel, PP) so you won't
> have to change your habits to do what you usually do. There are so many
> positive new features that listing them would take too long, but the
> main ones are: conversion to Web format, default version saving, and
> multiple versions in one file. You know how sometimes when you're
> opening a document and it says somebody else is using it? Well, now,
> everyone in a workgroup can edit the same document.
> Other highlights include MS Outlook which replaces Exchange and
> Schedule Plus, and Office Art and Office Draw which in most cases
> eliminate the need for other drawing applications. Office 97 also
> performs faster than Office 95, and is more backwards compatible.
> The only thing that bugged me were the animated helper characters that
> Microsoft included to help you while you're working. These things posed
> no help to me whatsoever, though they were pretty cool to watch.
> Though the price for this version is about the same as past versions,
> I'd say this is the biggest improvement in MS Office from version to
> version I've seen. It's not going to make you run around in the streets
> proclaiming this is the best deal in software you've ever gotten (that
> would be MS Internet Explorer 3.01 in my opinion because it's free), but
> among all office suites (Microsoft, Corel, Lotus) past and near-future
> this is the best one I've seen.
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 23:06:20 +0100
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: OBSERVATION
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Dear Members!
Even some members are condemning the political discussions going on in this
room, I have been observing a lot of progress. Some members are accepting
what they never accepted, at least at the time I joined the bantaba.
I THINK WE'LL SOON FIND A COMMON GROUND. KEEP IT UP GUYS.
PS! FOOD FOR THE MIND: LATEST JALIBA KUYATEH, don't miss it. It will
supplement Dr. Nyang's latest piece on Gambia-l.
Have a nice weekend
::)))
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:07:09 EST
From: "BOJANG,BUBA" <BBOJANG@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Comparison(Jawara,Jammeh
Message-ID: <24JAN97.18488798.0022.MUSIC@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU>
Guys,
It is really difficult to deal with money without corrupting
a butut. Anyone in this list would be corrupt when man that office.
As a subject, I can understand if as a king you put D3.00 in your
pocket and put D7.00(budget of D10.00) in the development of the
nation rather than feeding your pocket with the whole budget. This
is the two situations we are trying to compare. Everybody in this list
I hope will prefer the former than the latter. This is JAMMEH situation
versus so call Kairaba Jawara situation.
Let us please focus on other interesting issues for our betterment and
put aside Jawara business completely from our discussion.If Mr X feels
Jammeh is more corrupt than Jawara,fine. I hope we can see where he is
coming from.
Have a nice weekend
Buba Bojang (Bada)
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:39:00 +0300
From: BASS KOLLEH DRAMMEH <KOLLS567@QATAR.NET.QA>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: 'THE ARCH 22 FIASCO'
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Ousman Gajigo wrote:
>=20
> Bass,
>=20
> >........If that is the case,then I am very sorry
> > and sad about that,not because of the millions of dollars that went
> > into its construction - those are peanuts compared to the $600
> > milion thieved by the FaFa Jawara-Saihou sabally Criminal
> Syndicate.....
> >
>=20
> We all know that the Jawara regime was very corrupt. By comparing
> Jammeh regime with with former is backward thinking. Jammeh has done
> some goods things since he came to power but a fact is a fact.
> Corruption and embezzlement by Jammeh, however small in comparison to
> Jawara's regime, is still corruption and embezzlement regardless of
> whatever good he (Jammeh) did for the country.
>=20
> Ousman
OUSMAN!!
Those who cannot think BACKWARD cannot have a sense of their own
history,and those who cannot think ARROUND cannot understand their
present,and those who cannot think FORWARD will not be able to figure
out how to prpare for their future.So,those of us who are so terrified
of confronting the demons of our reccent past History,they should bear
this fact in mind.So,you,MR.GAJIGO, are absolutely free not want to
remind yourself of your country's past sickening history,but does it not
occur to you that maybe some of your other compatriots might do just the
very opposite of what you are doing: to look their History right in the
eye and try to learn from it whatever is learnable there so that they
would be able to equip themselves with the tools that would help them
organize the present and get ready for the future?
Nobody who knows anything about the psychology of power and what it can
do to the human
soul- especially if that power has no rivals that can check its
excesses from time to time - would be under the illusion that the
present regime in the Gambia is either squeaky clean or angelic.There
are lots of things that must be changed before we can call ourselves a
true peaceful and democratic nation.But a rational analysis of the
acievements and failures of the GAMBIAN REVOLUTION is one thing,and a
tedentious negative bla..bla..bla is something else altogether.
Regards Bassss!!=20
--=20
SZDD=88=F0'3Af=A8=03
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 18:30:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Jkrubally@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Introduction
Message-ID: <970125183005_981222522@emout09.mail.aol.com>
My name is Jacob Krubally. I am from Basse. Just came to the U.S recently
to go to college. I am really happy to be a member of this discussion group.
I look forward to reading some of the interesting postings on the list. I
hope to be an active participant in all discussions.
Jacob
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 20:10:45 -0500 (EST)
From: KTouray@aol.com
To: Gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Rethinking Basic Education
Message-ID: <970125201043_1893151767@emout19.mail.aol.com>
Buba Cham is a relative of mine from Chamen in nortern M.I.D.In 1983 he
passed the high school entrance examination and secured a place in Armitage
where i was a second -year student. I remember him being escorted by his
elder brother who was also his principal guardian and sponsor to attend the
customary interview and orientation prior to the opening of School .Almost
as soon as the days' activities wounded down , the elder cham summoned my mom
and broke into tears shaking uncontrollably.He said he was tremendously proud
that Buba was the first among their immediate family to go to school and to
be heading toward a bright future. On the other hand he said he was
devastated at the thoughtof having to essentially curtail his ambotious
brother's future because he was in no position to come up with the first
year's estimate much less sustaining him for the entire five year period he
was expected to be in Armitage. He simply did not have the resources he said
solemnly . Luckily in the end Buba graduated but it came at tremendous cost
to him because he often had to endure long hiatus from school and worst of
all the elder cham and his family were forced into circumstances too terrible
to recount.
I remember Bubas tumultious years in Armitage not because it was
unique.Infact I would contend that a vast majority of us have been a
tremendous strain on our parents limited incomes as we came through high
school. From mid level gov't bereaucrats to the subsistence farmers in the
villages having to foot bills of thousands of dalasis a year for high school
education has become an unaffordable preposition. I do not believe it should
be free but it has become so burdensome that we have to find an innovative
way of easing the crunch on parents. I'd like to float the following
suggestion:
I propose that the gov't go into what i call a covenant with the children of
the nation. This would entail drawing up a precise plan in which the gov't
would pay for the cost of each high school students education not as a free
gov't benefit but as an interest free loan . Upon graduation the students can
pay up what they owe if they enter the job market or they repay by
volunteering in critical sectors of the communities such as tutoring kids ,
being aids in clinics , helping to restore the enviroment or anyother
community enhancing undertaking that is of measurable benefit to the society.
Those that are lucky to go for futher studies would still be required to pay
the inflation adjusted amount if they come back . The consequences of such
an approach would be two-fold:
Parents would be reprived of having to be in the uncanny position of choosing
between paying a high school bill and putting food on the table.
Secondly and perhaps most importantly we would be instilling into our
children a tremendous sense of responsibility.They would see themselves not
only as inhabitants of their communities but also as stakeholders
..Resposibilities foster a great degree of caring and vision. Having throngs
of high school graduates pouring into communities every year doing chores
would redirect the nation's psychi to something we have not yet distinguished
ourselves to be-volunteers. Consequently we will reduce the incipient
idleness that is so deep- rooted in our communities. Before long the entire
nation would be basking in the new can-do spirit that would be evident in our
neighborhoods in the placeof the never ending Attaya sessions.
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 23:21:03 -0500 (EST)
From: MJagana@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: MJagana@aol.com
Subject: Re: New member
Message-ID: <970125232102_1144693698@emout10.mail.aol.com>
Dear gambia-l,
kindly enlist pamodou njie, his e-mail address is pamodou@aol.com
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Corruption: No Longer the Missing Piece in Development Discussions
How can development organizations help governments fight corruption? Long
avoided as a taboo, corruption is increasingly the focus of attention. EDI's
public sector reform group is working not only within the state sector but also
with civil society to change expectations and build a consensus against bribery,
extortion, and cronyism.
Corruption is an impressive spoiler. It can turn a good policy into a messy
failure. It can infect civil society, splitting it into rent-seeking elites and
helpless spectators. It can increase costs, ruin efficiencies, and frustrate
change.
It can also be fought. Among international organizations and national
governments, there's a new willingness to deal pragmatically with chronic
malfeasance in government. According to the Global Coalition for Africa: "Good
governance, which emerged five years ago as an incipient, vaguely defined issue
of donor conditionality, is now a major subject of debate and definition within
Africa, and is recognized as the reform that underpins all other reforms." As
more international organizations and more courageous political leaders work to
combat corruption, it will become harder for societies to condone it.
Although many African leaders have found there is much to gain from trying to
root out extortions and bribery, corruption is not unique to any country or
region. Indeed, at a recent EDI workshop in Jordan, speakers offered experiences
combating corruption in Britain, Hong Kong, Bolivia, Uganda, Singapore and the
U.S.
The anti-corruption movement is tightly linked to the proliferation of
democratic societies and free presses. By raising expectations that elected
officials not exploit public position for private advantage, the media can
create a standard to which current and prospective political leaders can be
held.
However, the transition to openness and accountability is fraught with
difficulties. Countries emerging from closed, secretive autocracies often find
themselves deluged with published reports of corruption and official wrongdoing.
It can seem, in such circumstances, that corruption has become a new pandemic, a
sign that change has unleashed mostly unhealthy forces. In recently democratic
Malawi, for example, amid increasingly shrill charges and countercharges of
bribery and malfeasance, an exasperated parliamentarian declared, "We are all
corrupt."
Oscar Arias Sanchez, Nobel Laureate from Costa Rica, recently warned that people
can become "so disenchanted with the corruption in democratic regimes that they
have even welcomed a new dictatorship."
What is needed is a system that exposes and punishes the truly corrupt and
rewards the honest civil servant. The Economic Development Institute,
collaborating with Transparency International (an NGO that helps governments
fight corruption), is working to advance such systems in East Africa, the Middle
East and elsewhere. Last August the two groups held a workshop in Tanzania that
brought together government officials, non-governmental organizations, and law
enforcement agencies.
Opening the workshop, Tanzania's chief justice, Francis Nyalali, remarked that
corruption had so deeply penetrated his country's politics that there were
reasons to expect that "the worst corrupt practices that this country has ever
seen" would dominate the imminent national elections.
By raising awareness of the damage that can be wrought by corruption, EDI and
its partners helped make it more difficult for Tanzanians to tolerate patterns
of bribery and extortion by government officials. Corruption became a dominant
campaign issue in the presidential elections. An upshot of the workshop was an
anti-bribery pledge that candidates were asked to sign. Benjamin Mkapa, the
ruling party's presidential candidate, made the fight against corruption a
leading campaign theme, and after winning the election won headlines as "Mr.
Clean" because of his insistence on rooting out corrupt officials and installing
civil servants with clean records. He has also taken the unusual step of
disclosing his and his wife's financial holdings. President Mkapa later wrote
Transparency International that the "integrity pledge" has become "a useful
weapon in my armory as I wage this war against corruption."
It would be naive to equate proclamations with changed behavior. However, even
the rhetoric of anti-corruption--reinforced by regularly exposing officials
whose actions belie their declarations--creates an environment where "political
mercenaries" operate with difficulty.
Certain structural steps are important too. A "National Integrity Source Book
for Building More Transparent and Accountable Government," prepared by
Transparency International and EDI with funding from the Ford Foundation, sets
out steps any government can take to build an environment less conducive to
graft.
The book makes the point that corruption "thrives in rigid systems with multiple
bottlenecks and sources of monopoly power in government."
However, the transition from from such a system may present new opportunities
and incentives for bribery. Amid the many uncertainties of change, people "seek
certainty, and they may try to achieve it by paying off officials," the source
book warns.
Sometimes anti-corruption efforts themselves become perverted as officials
launch corruption cases to punish dissidents and unhinge political adversaries.
As economists scrutinize corruption and its consequences, they find that the
damage greatly exceeds the amount involved in bribes and extortions. Losses
occur when government contracts are awarded as a result of bribery rather than
efficiency, or when jobs are lost at firms that refuse to offer bribes and
therefore lose business.
Solidifying legal structures, establishing procurement codes, paying adequate
salaries to civil servants all help. But as much as anything, leaders in the
campaign against corruption see real gains where societies collectively find
their way to different expectations of public behavior, where the long-accepted
pathologies gradually come to be seen for what they are.
EDI plans to translate the source book and publish regional versions for Latin
America, the former Soviet Union, China and the Middle East. Much of EDI's
thrust will continue to be raising public expectations. Says Petter Langseth,
EDI's public sector management specialist, "The main message is that it's okay
for people to expect a government that's not corrupt."
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