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Prince
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 Posted - 08 Sep 2010 : 17:55:08
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Abba Sheriff Hydara, a native of Bakalarr village in Upper Nuimi District, North Bank Region (NBR) believed to be in his 80s, Monday shot his wife, Basora Hydara to death with a single barrel gun at his garden in the outskirts of Bakalarr Village in Upper Nuimi District.
Abba Hydara also shot one of his sons, Marabi Hydara on his right shoulder at the same time and place. Briefing journalists on the incident at the Police Headquarters Tuesday in Banjul, where the accused is being detained, Superintendent Sulayman Secka, public relations officer of the Gambia Police Force (GPF) said he (the accused) said he has no regrets for killing his wife, and even disclosed his intention was to kill his three children along with the deceased.
http://observer.gm/africa/gambia/article/husband-shoots-wife-to-death-says-he-has-no-regrets
Vanity (proceeds from a garden) forced him to kill his own children. This man is clearly disturbed. This is an abomination!
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Sep 2010 : 18:23:40
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Why does this man have a gun? How widespread is the ownership of guns? Is there any control over it?
How very sad for someone to lose their life over such domestic issues. My thoughts are with the children. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 08:03:33
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This is just sad, and of course plain stupid. I suspect there is more to it than simple "vanity". This appears to be a complex divided polygamous family. Many men, I have seen, in such situations are just ticking "time-bombs"...
Gun ownership is widespread in the Gambia, although gun violence is extremely rare. My dad owned two pistols, two of my uncles had hunting guns, and I know many other people who possessed such guns.
I think the prominent PPP politician, Omar Jallow (O.J.) was reportedly found in possession of an unlicensed (unregistered) gun following the July 22 military coup. So it is possible many others possess guns that are not licensed or registered. I think gun licences are due annually, and I know many people especially in the rural areas struggle to raise that fee. Now that the Gambia is so hard that every penney (butut) of one's income must go to feed the family, illegal gun ownership may be actually 'epidemic'... |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 09:04:23
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I had no idea that this was the case.  |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 12:01:18
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Originally posted by kayjatta
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Gun ownership is widespread in the Gambia, ........... My dad owned two pistols, two of my uncles had hunting guns, and I know many other people who possessed such guns................ illegal gun ownership may be actually 'epidemic'...
Kay i dont think there is any evidence for this. i dont think its as widespread as you make it sound.
like the UK, The Gambia has one of the lowest firearm related deaths in the world. even the police are not armed in public. unlike ven the UK, there are practically no shops selling guns or ammunition.
however,as you rightly pointed out this is an isolated (very) case, perhaps the first this decade!!.
even if people dont pay the licence, its pointless using it for whatever reason as it exposes illegal ownership as in this case. Hence he is being charged, additionally for having a gun without a licence. you may say its too late for the victims. i agree.
gambiabev, no need to worry, as far as guns are concerned you're as safe as in the UK. lol
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kayjatta
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 12:32:07
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quote:
Originally posted by njucks
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Originally posted by kayjatta
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Gun ownership is widespread in the Gambia, ........... My dad owned two pistols, two of my uncles had hunting guns, and I know many other people who possessed such guns................ illegal gun ownership may be actually 'epidemic'...
Kay i dont think there is any evidence for this. i dont think its as widespread as you make it sound.
like the UK, The Gambia has one of the lowest firearm related deaths in the world. even the police are not armed in public. unlike ven the UK, there are practically no shops selling guns or ammunition.
however,as you rightly pointed out this is an isolated (very) case, perhaps the first this decade!!.
even if people dont pay the licence, its pointless using it for whatever reason as it exposes illegal ownership as in this case. Hence he is being charged, additionally for having a gun without a licence. you may say its too late for the victims. i agree.
gambiabev, no need to worry, as far as guns are concerned you're as safe as in the UK. lol
It is hard to find evidence of illegal gun ownership, Njucks. It usually takes a tragedy like this, which is itself rare in the Gambia.
In the case of O.J., it was during the search and seizure of PPP officials that "his gun" was discovered.
In the rural areas, it is possible that one in every four households (compounds) has some form of a gun mainly for hunting but also for defence. Registration records of these guns are hardly verified until tragedy strikes.
Guns were so common in the community I grew up that my brother and I, as children, used to tell my dad to buy us our own guns...
So gun ownership may be more widespread than we seem to be aware and acknowledge... |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 12:37:10
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Well fortunately in Gambia most people with guns seem to use them for what they were intended for, ie hunting.
Also in Gambia perhaps there is less mental health issues and guns combined, which is a powerful and dangerous cocktail as in many USA cases and a few in UK.
Drugs and guns combine in Uk and USA and I fear that may be on the way to Gambia too.  |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 14:42:44
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| The old man should get the death penalty, period. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 19:11:43
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Originally posted by kayjatta
.................. It usually takes a tragedy like this, which is itself rare in the Gambia.
kay, maybe i'm in denial. but its just had to believe that my neighbours are all sleeping with pistols and shotguns under their pillows.
mansasulu, i think you shopuld come more towards the left, thats a very extreme viewpoint |
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Prince
507 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 19:52:56
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kay, maybe i'm in denial. but its just had to believe that my neighbours are all sleeping with pistols and shotguns under their pillows.
Kay is right Njucks, many Gambians keep guns at home. I remember shooting my first bullet at around 11, when I visited the village for holiday.
However, gun ownership does not necessarily translate into gun crime. Countries like Switzerland and Finland, have high gun ownership rates, while their gun related crimes remain negligible. Brazil, on the other hand, has a similar gun ownership rate to the UK, but they maintain the highest gun-crime rate in the world.
Anyways, I'll hold off my NRA talk...
Whatever it is that causes a seemingly religious old man to viciously kill his family in the middle of Ramadan, is very unfortunate.
Maybe, Kay has a point, some of these polygamous families are "ticking time-bombs." Especially, in these trying economic times. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 20:12:52
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| How sad and terrible. My sympathy goes to the surving children and the wife who has lost her life. There is more to this story which may come out later. If the old fool is sane, should be purnished to the full extent of the law [old or not]. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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Prince
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 20:15:10
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Times are indeed changing... I don't want to sound like an old alarmist lady but these heinous crimes -in quick succession- against our way of life was unheard-of in the recent past.
24-year-old man murdered in Brikama
One Buba Jawara, a 24-year-old man was on Monday allegedly murdered by one Malang Sonko in Brikama.
Speaking to reporters on Wednesday at the Police Headquarters in Banjul, the police public relations officer, Superintendent Sulayman Secka described the incident as unfortunate. He explained that it started when the accused, Malang Sonko attempted to rape the aunt of the deceased. According to Superintendent Secka, the deceased tried to rescue his aunt and this resulted to a fight between him and the accused, who allegedly hit him on the neck with a stick, thereby causing his death. The police spokesperson said the body of the deceased was abandoned under the rain but was later found by a passerby, one Yaya Fadera. The said Yaya informed one of his family members, one Sherrifo Fadera, who then reported the matter at the Brikama Police Station.
http://observer.gm/africa/gambia/article/24-year-old-man-murdered-in-brikama |
"When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty." |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 20:56:48
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quote:
Originally posted by Prince
Times are indeed changing... I don't want to sound like an old alarmist lady but these heinous crimes -in quick succession- against our way of life was unheard-of in the recent past.
I totally agree. In my day it was extremely rare if at all to hear events like these. I blame it on the recent westernisation [more so Americanisation] of our culture. Senegambian ethics, tradition and cultue must be preserved rather than being tainted. Even if you listen to Senegambian radio or TV programmes in the local languages these days [especially the Wolof and Fula language programmes] the presenters always throw in some English or French even arabic rather than presenting the programme from start to finish in our local languages as they used to do in the old days. If we are not careful Westernisation will engulf our culture and tradition.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 21:28:04
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| Njucks, the one man had no regrets for taking the life of another human being and you believe I have an extreme viewpoint on the crime? If mine is extreme, I wonder what we can call the old man's view point? |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 10 Sep 2010 : 07:24:55
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I am not a proponent of the death penalty, but that is a different issue. However, before we assign guilt, it must first be established that this alleged murderer is sane, if that issue is brought up; and that the facts of the crime as narrated match the forensic and medical records of the crime...
NB: Kay is not an atty. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 10 Sep 2010 : 19:01:25
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"i think you shopuld come more towards the left,"
That's good then ,let's all become socialists,
(not communists ,that's too extreme !)
Everyone here is entitled to their opinions and strongly held views, not so ?
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Originally posted by njucks
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Originally posted by kayjatta
.................. It usually takes a tragedy like this, which is itself rare in the Gambia.
kay, maybe i'm in denial. but its just had to believe that my neighbours are all sleeping with pistols and shotguns under their pillows.
mansasulu, i think you shopuld come more towards the left, thats a very extreme viewpoint
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 10 Sep 2010 19:06:52 |
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