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toubab1020
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 Posted - 23 Aug 2010 : 18:38:52
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OK Quite, Baby Dumping was the topic not care in rest homes for the elderly, you could start a new topic there Turk,Politicos or those who prefer the other topic won't want to join in that though .
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Yes, there are always exceptions. Unfortunately, many uses some of these difficulties as convenient excuse when they do not want to deal with their elders. That is a social disease in modern world. I hear stories of lack of attention to elders by their children in caring institutions. Some of them even gets visit once a year or a month. I don't want to shift from the topic. In summary, my point is that family is mostly the best social service and traditional solutions may work much better than modern solutions for social problems.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Sep 2010 : 00:43:32
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Hey Turk and Toubab there is a New topic section maybe you Guys could try pressing it sometimes without spoiling some interesting threads.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 08 Sep 2010 : 12:22:30
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I think turk and I do press the button sister,in the absence of others who only visit and do not contrubute their views in these slow times "tennis" does perhaps take place on bantaba  nice to see you back been busy ?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 08 Sep 2010 : 14:16:43
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The posts are indirectly related to the initial topic. If you don't get that, it is not my fault you having not so much sophisticated thinking on social issues. One thing you could do, ignore the posts you are not capable to relate. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Sep 2010 : 17:11:48
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Turk What does baby dumping have to Elderly care in Gamnbia? To quote Toubab simple is good. if you didn't already know how to start a new thread click New Topic at the end of the line to start a new thread.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2010 : 17:22:10
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Yes it is related to me. Traditional societies like Gambia does have close big family relationships. For example, elder cares are done within family unlike in government or private aged care like in western world.
For a single mother who have unwanted child in western world have access to a government help in western world. In Gambia there is no such thing. Both elder care and a single mother who have unwanted child getting help from government or family is worth to mention. It is dilemma. As we see in elder care, Gambian society is managing to work to take care of elder even though lack of social services provided by government. But in this baby dumping case, because of the 'shame' of having unwanted child, the traditional social service did not work for this particular case. I am not discussion, elder care, i am giving example in elder care how traditional social service works but did not work in this single mother unwanted child.
If you are not intellectual and sophisticated enough to have extensive angle on social issue, don't even post.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Sep 2010 : 18:12:28
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Who the hell so you think you are talking to with your so called inferiority complex and sexiest opinions?  Do you think that you are the only one here who has an awareness of Gambian and western culture Turk?
The subject is about Baby Dumping, which keeps on raisng its ugly head from time to time. How solutions to this problem can be found to stop babies from needlessly dying and supporting these mothers by giving them other choices.
Care of the Elderly is another subject altogether. How many elderly people are dumped in Gambia? This is not the problem neither is this the topic of this thread.
On the whole families in Gambia do take care of their children the best way they can with the means at their disposal. Yes there is room for improvement through poverty alleviation strategies etc.
However having children outside of marriage is such a stagma within Gambian society that such women as mentioned in this report think that they have no other option than to kill their newborn babies and that is not acceptable behaviour as Newborns have a right to be cared for. Mother's who don't have a family support system need to be protected by society because they and their children are vulnerable. It would be foolish to come to the conclusion that Baby Dumping isn't a world phonenoum as reported cases of Baby abandonment does arise elsewhere in other countries. For example in the UK there is an Ante-natal and Post-natal Health services available to women. The Health visitor's service checks on new mothers and their babies as well as Social Services. Non of these services are 100% efficient however they do prevent tragedies like baby dumping from arising.
Turk you've made a sweeping accusation that Lone parents in the west don't care about their children and rely on state handouts. That's a stupid argument. There is no guarantee that all relationships will last forever even when you do have children. What is important is that Parents take responsibility for their children. If for reasons they are unable to care of them then they make sure that they are placed in the care of others who can look after them. This can be within the immediate or extended families, fostered or adopted to other families, or as a last result placed in the care of Social Services.
In regards to Gambia's model UN women and Children's Consultations will be taking place in Gambia this month so hopefully within their consultations they will be taking note of reccommendation that can assist in drawing up a nationwide strategy to assist vulnerable pregnant mother's to prevent more needless babies and infant deaths.
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Lily
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Sep 2010 : 18:28:02
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I realise that in most societies having a baby outside marriage is stigmatised - but is that so throughout The Gambia? I only ask because I do know a couple of families where there are babies and no husbands and the family are taking care of both the girl and the child. In one case they didn't want the gril to marry the boy involved because they thought he had no prospects -
I think your point, Sister Omega, about mothers who don't have a family support system is absolutley right and, if you add to that the mental strain that the woman/women must be under then it is not altogether surprising that baby dumping occurs - in The Gambia, in Europe or indeed anywhere. This sad occurence is a universal problem.
Education and support for women - whoever they are, whatever their backgrounds, whatever their motives is the key.
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turk
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Posted - 11 Sep 2010 : 18:31:26
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so called inferiority complex and sexiest opinions? Sexiest? Interesting! Say what? No not at all. I am just pointing out that you did not get the point and relation of 'elder care' example and how it relates to the topic.
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Turk you've made a sweeping accusation that Lone parents in the west don't care about their children and rely on state handouts.
When did I do that? That is a stupidest conclusion I have ever heard from you, sista. Never accuse such thing. The social services in western world are available for the single mothers. That is a FACT. And there is nothing wrong to receive social services for them. When did I say, lone parents do not care about their children? How did you end up with this conclusion. Quote me. When I said Social Services, I am refering for example, a single mother having a 'free day care', 'welfare cheque', 'unemployment benefits', 'free education', 'free training programs', 'baby bonus' so they can take care of their baby unlike Gambian's single mother who do not have these benefits. I never said leave the baby with Social services. Like I said, that was so baseless and stupid conclusion. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Sep 2010 : 18:56:47
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Hi Lily, thaks for your contribution.
Yes your perfectly right to show us examples of your friends family. Like all societies there are parents who are moderate and others who are conservative in how they run their famillies. I would suggest that one of the ways of finding solutions for this family is to have consultation with local stakeholders and set up a National Plan from there.
Turk I owe you an apology for calling you a Sexist.
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turk
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Posted - 11 Sep 2010 : 19:14:43
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As Gambia has traditional values like taking care of the family members, i.e. elder care, cousins, nephew, nieces; which is great to have and I admire those values. This values are kinda missing in western society. But in the western world there are social services that kinda fill the lack of traditional values of caring 'elder', 'family members in need'. I have a senior mother and I am taking care of her. She lives with me since my father died, for almost 7 months of year, and summer time, she lives in our summer home.
Normally, traditional values would take care of the single mother and unwanted children. But, a guilt factor for some. for 'single mothers who have the unwanted child, traditional values do not offer help. As lack of social services in Gambia for single mother and their child. Unlike elder care, single mothers do not get the same family care. That was the point. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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