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toubab1020
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 Posted - 14 Jan 2010 : 12:26:00
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This from the Observer,maybe as the DO has become involved Mr Buba Jammeh may get some form of result,or perhaps not, I doubt if the van will ever be seen again,still I might be wrong, who knows.I would have thought that this is a case of Theft and not fraud,unless some information has come into the hands of "Fraud Squad Unit of The Gambia Police Force is currently looking into the circumstances "
http://observer.gm/africa/gambia/article/police-investigating-disappeared-vehicle-says-pro-secka
Thursday, 14 January 2010
The police public relations officer, Superintendent Sulayman Secka, has confirmed to the Daily Observer that the Fraud Squad Unit of The Gambia Police Force is currently looking into the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of a 14-seater van with Registration number BJL 1079 C, at the Mobile Traffic Unit in Kanifing.
The police PRO however, declined to further comment on the matter but maintained that the issues surrounding the disappearance of the vehicle are being investigated. This confirmation came following the Daily Observer#146;s inquiry into the matter, following a tip-off that a commercial van with Registration number BJL 1079 C was missing at the Mobile Traffic Unit of The Gambia Police Force in Kanifing, after it had been impounded by some traffic officers at the Wellingara football field, on September 17, 2008. The #145;disappeared#146; vehicle was said to be the property of one Buba Jammeh, a commercial driver, and a resident of Faji Kunda.
Narrating the incident to the Daily Observer, Buba Jammeh, the driver and owner of the vehicle, who walked to the Daily Observer office in Kanifing, said on 17 September 2008, his vehicle was seized by traffic officers, who mounted a checkpoint at the Wellingera football field, for driving without a side mirror at the back of the vehicle. He revealed that the officers who seized his vehicle were five in number namely: one Badjan, a testing officer, whose full name was not known, one Musa Sanyang, a police officer, a prosecutor, whose name is also not known, the police vehicle driver and another officer whose name was also unknown to him.
He said after waiting for one hour, the officers did not talk to him and he decided to move, all of a sudden, he said, the officers chased him with their vehicle and intercepted him. He further revealed that his vehicle was then seized and parked at the Mobile Traffic Unit in Kanifing and he was asked to be reporting to the Mobile Traffic Unit on a daily basis. According to Jammeh, after reporting to the Mobile Traffic for two weeks, he could not set eyes on his vehicle and he decided to ask the police officers about the whereabouts of his vehicle but no one responded to him.
Jammeh further informed the Daily Observer that he lodged a complain to the police high command and the Ministry of Interior, but to no avail. He appealed to the authorities to help get back his vehicle. The commercial driver told this paper that he uses the money he earns from driving the van to take care of himself and his family.
Author: by Omar Wally
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kayjatta
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Posted - 14 Jan 2010 : 12:38:13
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Toubab, it is both theft and fraud. It is theft because the van is taken away without authorization (stolen)by someone other than the owner. It is fraud because in the process of taking away the van, the perpetrators used deception.. My opinion... |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 14 Jan 2010 : 13:00:06
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I also think that impounding a vehicle for not having a side mirror is too severe and abusive (even if the driver fled the scene).
The Gambia probably should introduce the "ticket system" (that is if they do not have it already) and have a traffic court... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 14 Jan 2010 : 13:23:29
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Kay,As far as I can see from the newspaper there is no mention of deception being used to remove the van,there is however credible evidence that the van has been stolen (ie theft) because it was there, no dispute about that,and now it isnt there, no dispute about that.
P.S. I am not an Att. etc
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Toubab, it is both theft and fraud. It is theft because the van is taken away without authorization (stolen)by someone other than the owner. It is fraud because in the process of taking away the van, the perpetrators used deception.. My opinion...
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toubab1020
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Posted - 14 Jan 2010 : 13:30:44
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| The reason why the van was impounded is simple, the officers felt that the driver would never be seen again without them looking for him,more unnecessary work,broken mirror very petty,why bother? and why leave the driver for 1 hour without doing anything? I am afraid that there is more to this story than just a stolen van.This is the reason why the matter is being investigated by the "Fraud Squad Unit of The Gambia Police Force". Will the story be told in the future ? NO .my opinion.... |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 14 Jan 2010 : 13:36:49
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Originally posted by toubab1020
Kay,As far as I can see from the newspaper there is no mention of deception being used to remove the van,there is however credible evidence that the van has been stolen (ie theft) because it was there, no dispute about that,and now it isnt there, no dispute about that.
P.S. I am not an Att. etc
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Toubab, it is both theft and fraud. It is theft because the van is taken away without authorization (stolen)by someone other than the owner. It is fraud because in the process of taking away the van, the perpetrators used deception.. My opinion...
There is more to the story than meets the eye. After legally impounding the vehicle by legitimate authority, its subsequent disappearance could natuarrally involve deception of the owner, the police dept. or both. If the vehicle is sold, then it could only be sold to another through similar deception. I think the case has to be made after investigation. My opinion . |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 14 Jan 2010 : 13:48:03
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| There is NO EVIDENCE OF DECEPTION,all that you point out is supposition. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 14 Jan 2010 : 13:52:19
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There is NO EVIDENCE OF DECEPTION,all that you point out is supposition.I would however agree that if Evidence is found then depending on what is found there may be a case for other charges,and that as you say "I think the case has to be made after investigation" would apply.Will charges be brought, I wonder,politics you see, and no I will not explain further
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Originally posted by kayjatta
There is more to the story than meets the eye. After legally impounding the vehicle by legitimate authority, its subsequent disappearance could natuarrally involve deception of the owner, the police dept. or both. If the vehicle is sold, then it could only be sold to another through similar deception. I think the case has to be made after investigation. My opinion .
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kayjatta
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Posted - 14 Jan 2010 : 13:58:38
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| Actually there is no evidence of theft either. The vehicle is probably just moved to the back of the police building- a different location perhaps. Of course pending the investigation. I think the "theft and fraud" are just charges. Evidences will emerge after the investigation. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 14 Jan 2010 : 15:04:15
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"The vehicle is probably just moved to the back of the police building- a different location perhaps."
Yes of course it could ! Why didn't I think of that 
Never the less there is still the question of why ,"Fraud Squad Unit of The Gambia Police Force is currently looking into the circumstances "
Instead of The stolen motor vehicle unit,GPF must have one ?
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kayjatta
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Posted - 15 Jan 2010 : 06:49:05
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| There we go Toubab |
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afonso
Gambia
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Posted - 15 Jan 2010 : 22:28:03
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| This is a clear abuse of Office by Officer Musa Sanyang and his group. The vehicle if found with a defective mirror should have been tested there by badjan the testing officer and the driver served with a summons to appear in court if need be. There is no justification in impounding the vehicle when the testing officer present could have tested the vehicle instantly and give a verdict.Its unlawful to cease someones vehicle on such grounds thus deny him of his livelihood since September 2008 to date. The driver should sue them for loss of earning including the loss of his vehicle. Then and there such irresponsible Police Officers would learn to go by the game.The President was just talking about such few days back and now this has surfaced, I seek the most appropriate sanction on this matter to deter a recurrence |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 16 Jan 2010 : 13:32:21
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That would seem a good course of action,going to court costs money,if the investigation is indeed taking place effectively,it would be better to wait for that outcome and thereby be in a position to present that evidence in any court proceedings that you may have to bring.All this legal stuff is very good and does exist to solve problems,but its very very slow and what with adjournments an other delays a resolution takes a long time.
Whilst all this is going on Mr Buba Jammeh still has not got his van and consequently he will be unable to take care of his family,jobs are hard to find,so Mr Buba Jammeh has a big ongoing problem.
I hope that any bantaba in cyberspace reader who has the ear of H.E. may suggest that it would be good to reslove this problem for his namesake !
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toubab1020
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kayjatta
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Posted - 18 Jan 2010 : 07:03:08
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Originally posted by afonso
This is a clear abuse of Office by Officer Musa Sanyang and his group. The vehicle if found with a defective mirror should have been tested there by badjan the testing officer and the driver served with a summons to appear in court if need be. There is no justification in impounding the vehicle when the testing officer present could have tested the vehicle instantly and give a verdict.Its unlawful to cease someones vehicle on such grounds thus deny him of his livelihood since September 2008 to date. The driver should sue them for loss of earning including the loss of his vehicle. Then and there such irresponsible Police Officers would learn to go by the game.The President was just talking about such few days back and now this has surfaced, I seek the most appropriate sanction on this matter to deter a recurrence
I totally agree. Perhaps a civil suit should be considered in parallel to the ongoing criminal investigation... |
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afonso
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Posted - 18 Jan 2010 : 15:03:08
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| Thanks kayjatta.Sometimes I wonder why some selfish Police Officers act to tarnish the image of our Police Force. The Motor Traffic ACt of The Gambia clearly states all action to be taken in such areas. This is to have the vehicle tested by a certified testing officer(Chief Inspector Badjan is one) and then the driver be served with both certificate to show the vehicle has been tested(the driver will signed on two copies of this certficate one he will retain and another will be with the Police and a summons to appear in court. The vehile after being tested should be released to the owner to have it repaired before using it on the road again.This will allow the driver to work and keep money to pay for any fine he might be asked to pay in court.Therefore I wonder why on earth was his vehicle seized and kept since September 2008 to date???Real abuse of office and a heartless approach by General Musa Sanyang and his greedy ignorant crew. I am confident they will pay a heavy price for this mess |
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