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kayjatta
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 Posted - 31 Dec 2009 : 06:41:04
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Kay did you know that Transport For London TFL's Oyster Card was subsidized by the Venzenulans oil under the Former Mayor of London Ken Livingston?
This gun ho approach is very shallow to the current seriousness of the Terror threat but then this is the bantabaa a gossip house not to be taken seriously?? That's why when crack pots were calling for the overthrow of jammeh including YJ. Some fools on the ground took it so seriously and made a vain attempt at carrying it through and guess where they are today lamenting in Mile Two?
Peace
Sister Omega
No I didn't know that; how was it subsidized by Venezuelan oil? |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 31 Dec 2009 : 08:28:28
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Kayjatta
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Strong relations with anti-Western rogues like Iran and Libya which are known financiers of terrorists, and Venezuela.
According to CIA website, here are the foreign trade of USA and Venezualla.
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US 40.7%, Netherlands Antilles 7.8%, China 4.7% (2008)
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US 26.3%, Colombia 12.7%, Brazil 10.3%, China 7%, Mexico 4.8% (2008)
So please explain to me. Why is USA relationship with Venezuella is acceptable but Gambia's relationship with venezuella presents risk? Why USA is doing trade with Venezuealla? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 31 Dec 2009 : 09:04:01
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Turk, we are not talking about trade. We are talking about the sharing of political and ideological thinking and philosophy. U.S. still gets a lot of its energy from Venezuela, and oil sales to the U.S. is a major lifeline for the Venezuelan economy, but there is no sharing of political ideology. In fact there is serious poltical tension between the U.S. and so-called Bolivarian Republic.
In the case of the Gambia, there is very little real trade between the Gambia and Venezuela, since the Gambia essentially has nothing to sell. The relationship between the Gambia and Venezuela is largely a diplomatic cooperation, the sharing of political and ideological philosophy in exchange for some fuzzy aid package (largely educational scholarships,and I suspect military aid for the Gambia.
Jammeh's political and ideological cooperation with Venezuela (along side Cuba, Bolivia, Iran, Libya...), a staunch anti-Western advocate is what I was espousing ... |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 31 Dec 2009 : 10:33:55
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Your espousing does not mean much. Saudi Arabia is the strongest ally, most of the terrorists suspects were saudi.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 31 Dec 2009 : 10:41:31
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I think you need to listen or read my analysis of "Why they don't like us". There is a paradox in our (U.S.) relations with saudi Arabia and Egypt. The saudi and Egyptian governments love us, they are our allies because we protect and fund them, but their citizens do not like us. Do you see the paradox.
However, Jammeh's cooperation with Chavez and Ahmaddinejad is not founded on any such alliance with the U.S. This is the point I am trying to make. Got it??? |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 31 Dec 2009 : 11:04:37
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The saudi and Egyptian governments love us, they are our allies because we protect and fund them, but their citizens do not like us.
At least you are honest that USA is not sincere about spreading democracy. As long as puppet governments, it does not matter if the country is under king or dictator. I found it very unethical while you oppose Jammeh at the same time you support the USA policy favoring saudi/egypt government that is not supported by majority. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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kayjatta
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Posted - 01 Jan 2010 : 07:31:43
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"The scheme follows an agreement signed earlier this year by the Mayor, Transport for London and Venezuelan Oil Company PetrÓleos de Venezuela Europa. This provided a 20 per cent reduction in the price of fuel for London's bus fleet, which will be passed on to cut fares for some of the least well off Londoners. At the same time, London will provide Venezuela with advice and technical expertise in fields of city management in which London is a world leader such as transport, town planning, tourism and the protection of the environment."
Did you miss this quid pro quo? This kind of deals are called 'relationships based on self interest'; it is not a Venzuelan economic aid to the U.K. It does not indicate political alliance or diplomatic cooperation. It is a small deal between the London municipality (not even a state or the Kingdom) and so-called Bolivarian Republic. Therefore, the quid pro quo (what-for-what) is not a 'sweet-heart' deal. What the Londoners saved in the oil discount, is paid for in technical advice: the economics of comparative advantage. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 21:20:23
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Yes I agree with you kay it was the economics of comparative advantage. Unfortunately Ken Livingston who sealed the deal for the mutual benefit of both Londoner and Venzenula was castigated by Boris Johnson who claims the following http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-mayor/article-23550941-tube-and-bus-fares-soar-but-its-kens-fault-says-mayor.do
The point I'm making Kay is so easy to spin and take things comletely out of context to suit politic whims. however the dealhas now been scrapped even the headline made by Boris is a lie. Bus fares in london have now gone up from 80p to £1.20 each way from 1/01/10. Therefor a 10p increase was a lie to score a political point but who pays the price those who are poor of course. Both those in London and the poor in Venezula.
Although as you put London is nothing but a city let's put into its geographical context London has approximately a 25 miles radius its population is officially 8 million which is roughly 8 times bigger population than Gambia.
Peace
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