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shaka
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 Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 18:59:50
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http://observer.gm/africa/gambia/article/koukoie-samba-sanyangs-letter-to-president-abdoulaye-wadeclose-contact-exposed-2
I do not discount it as fake. For the simple fact that it bears all the hallmarks of a Koukoie letter and the content of the letter i am very familiar with from what i gleaned from the Senegalese press as well as from the Gambia. Secondly the events mentioned in the letter occured and the personalities mentioned all fit the bill.
Those who are familiar with a Koukoie letter will see very little reasons to doubt that this is a typically styled Koukoie letter. Begining with dedication of a whole paragraph of introductory greetings as a self styled born-again Koran quoting, pious religious devotee wishing the blessings of Allah 'the benevolent, the creator of the universe and earth; saviour of human beings' and so on to intended audience or recipient. Then comes the 'pirim params' of a revolutionised Uthopian Africa and pan-Africanism with all the colourful political jargons, which only he is qualified to lead. He tops it all with the demonization of Jammeh as Satan's ambassador to the Sene-Gambian people and how he must be removed by all force necessary.
Regarding the events mentioned above, it is an open secret in both Senegal and the Gambia that Wade courted Koukoie to help quench the Casamance rebellion with a counter-insurgency as well as to topple the Jammeh regime. It is also a known fact that Koukoie the conman he is, played double agent to both regimes, meeting both Jammeh and Wade and netting a fortune from both camps. That was until Colonel(not commandant) Malick Cisse, Wade's Special Counsel, spin doctor and the self confessed man who divorced Wade from swindlers and conmen, came along the scene. The man is not military but a retired Fire Brigade Colonel. Koukoie was captured and jailed by the Nino Viera regime towards its last days and used as bargaining chip for both Gambia and Senegal to get its essentials. Jammeh parted company with a few hummers, money, food stuff and military gears to have Koukoie extradited to the Gambia. But the Senegalese had the last laugh by upping the stakes and had Koukoie flown in a private presidential jet facilitated by Colonel Malick Cisse and General Abdoulie Fall. In Dakar he was lavished with VIP treatment and left for Dubai. I do not know exactly what his beef with Colonel Cisse was but it certainly revolve around wanting more money to 'finish the job' judging from the content of the letter. It is for these reasons i believe this letter might just be authentic. How it came in the possession of the Sheikh and Observer i do not know. Probably the work of another double agent.
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shaka
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 20:31:08
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| Shaka, thanks for this information and the links. I have just posted the video (part 1 above) at: http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8462 because it starts playing instantly. |
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shaka
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Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 20:36:36
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| I was going tell you to do exactly that. Thanks a lot. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 26 Nov 2009 : 12:31:56
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Shaka, good try but how the letter is leaked is the question. Certainly both President Wade and Kukoie gain nothing by releasing the letter...
As far as I am concerned, the letter is yet to be authenticated. I think anyone very familiar with Kukoie can fabricate a letter like this to fit his style and rhetoric. It is not hard to do, but an intelligence expert could spot time, spacial, and other discrepancies in the document. Has this letter been analysed by any intelligence agency yet, either in Senegal or Gambia. Even in the U.S. it takes a few days for the CIA/FBI to analyse and authenticate Bin Laden's tapes...
Meanwhile, the Gambian authorities have already started talking about a so-called "Wade's plot against the Gambia", but is Wade implicated of anything at all in the letter. In my view, this letter is at best Kukoie's plea for Wade's recognition and assistance. We have not heard a word from either Wade or Kukoie (according to the letter) that indicates conspiracy. We know that the large number of Gambian dissidents, both military and civilian, just across the border in Senegal is giving Jammeh sleepless nights, but I think both the Gambia and Senegal should focus on analysing to authenticate the letter first rather than the Daily Observer and the APRC zealots hastily charging President Wade |
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Dembish
Gambia
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Posted - 26 Nov 2009 : 13:47:20
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| kay, well said.I will not jump to conclusions and a million dollar question which rings in my head is just what you have asked,HOW DID THE LETTER LEAKED TO BANJUL,if this was a letter addressed to president wade,and how authentic is this letter.Anyway be it true or false the letter has inevitably inflicted damages already, going by the reactions in Banjul.But my advice is for every Gambian to analyse this letter with opend mind,hence the story stillremain onesided without president wade's reaction to the said letter.The relationship between these two countries is greater and more important than president wade,president jammmeh and kukoi.So let us react bearing that relationship in mind than the intrest of these few.God bless Senegambia. |
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shaka
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Posted - 26 Nov 2009 : 16:02:31
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| Kay you may have perhaps emphasized on the easiest questions to have asked in this saga. How was the letter leaked........came into the possession of the Gambian intelligence? You have to understand that Wade was only meant to be the third party to have contact with this letter. There was a second party, a courier between Koukoie and Wade. Could the courier had double crossed Koukoie and sold hot intelligence to the Sheikh. If money was the ends here then surely what is good for the baboon is good for the 'patapareh.' Is it possible the letter never reached it's intended recipient, President Wade? Besides intelligence is sold willy nilly in Africa. For a few hundreds or thousands of Dollars you can easily get classified intelligence from poorly paid government intelligence agents. I am not authenticating the letter. All i am saying is that the names and events in the letter perfects the bill. I try not to be of the school of all evil except Jammeh's is good. That Dakar had tried to destabilised Jammeh's regime is not my fact but a generally known fact even confessed by a known coup plotter of dual Gambian and American citizenship in the person of Tamsir Jasseh to the American Embassy in the Gambia before publicly confessing to the Gambia people on national TV. If the evil that threatened the relationship of two countries is the making of both sides, why should one side be lauded while the other is scorned. The videos i have shared especially the second and third one labelled part 1 and 2 exposed one of the most dangerous characters in Sene-Gambia in the person of Colonel Malick Cisse. There are people of similar ilk in both governments who 'counsel' the two presidents. Men who are willing to destroy lives to serve their interests and agendas. At least the Senegalese people are coming to know the evil within as the Walf TV journalist did a brilliant job to exposed the evil they complot against the Senegalese people daily in this brilliant tête-à-tête. If only the Gambian press was equally free and near as vibrant. |
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MADIBA
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Posted - 27 Nov 2009 : 00:49:02
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Given the fact that Wade has strained relations with the ivorian president Gbagbo and the Guinean opposition for his interferences; i want believe the aunthecity of the letter.Wade is a disappointment to not only the senegalese people but africa as a whole. He has failed in his role as an elder states man.
Past and present senegalese governments seek to 'colonize' the Gambia thats no secret. e.g their rude demands for bridging bambatenda/yellitenda ferry crossing is a case in point.
Even a clownish president should never accept to bow to pressures from dakar. Relations must be based on mutual trust and respect. Dont get me wrong here, the sengambian people are one and come before anything else. But when it comes to politics we are talking abt two sovereign states, and here size doesnt really matter.
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kobo
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Posted - 27 Nov 2009 : 04:42:21
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Originally posted by Dembish
The relationship between these two countries is greater and more important than president wade,president jammmeh and kukoi.So let us react bearing that relationship in mind than the intrest of these few.God bless Senegambia.
Thanks Shaka & Dembish amongst others! Am reasonably convinced that letter is authentic and sold for personal interest to President Jammeh. More from FOROYAA Online - The Alleged Letter From Kukoi To Wadda and Ahmadinejad’s Visit - Editorial - Newspaper under http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4028 |
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kobo
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Posted - 27 Nov 2009 : 05:39:52
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Observer newspaper Wade's plot against gambia will not work - Says APRC Bakau strong man under http://www.observer.gm/africa/gambia/article/wades-plot-against-gambia-will-not-work-says-aprc-bakau-strong-man
Kukoi branded " a dissident [Koukoie], who is a fugitive, a traitor and betrayer of the needs and aspirations of the people, to bring sufferings to their fellow Africans."
Inevitably for political reasons Kukoi became a fugitive. However I don't understand what makes him a traitor and betrayer; if it's his right to fight a political cause or personal agenda (for e.g. to became a Head of State, revolutionary against a system he believe is bad or want good radical changes ) for his country
"Basiru went further to point out to Koukoie Samba Sanyang and his criminal gang that that ugly history of 1981 will never be repeated in this country. He stressed that what happened in 1981 can never reoccur as Gambians are fully aware of his banditory tactics; that the security of the country can never be undermined by him. He stated that The Gambia is a democratic country and that the security of the country will not be compromised."
Yes 1981 was ugly because of tragedies or sufferings! Also I don't understand why Kukoi is considered a bandit with criminal gang politically He started his political cause long before President Jammeh left High School and before The Gambia has army. However I believe that he is a threat to President Jammeh and A.P.R.C!
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kayjatta
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Posted - 27 Nov 2009 : 06:58:50
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Originally posted by shaka
Kay you may have perhaps emphasized on the easiest questions to have asked in this saga. How was the letter leaked........came into the possession of the Gambian intelligence? You have to understand that Wade was only meant to be the third party to have contact with this letter. There was a second party, a courier between Koukoie and Wade. Could the courier had double crossed Koukoie and sold hot intelligence to the Sheikh. If money was the ends here then surely what is good for the baboon is good for the 'patapareh.' Is it possible the letter never reached it's intended recipient, President Wade? Besides intelligence is sold willy nilly in Africa. For a few hundreds or thousands of Dollars you can easily get classified intelligence from poorly paid government intelligence agents. I am not authenticating the letter. All i am saying is that the names and events in the letter perfects the bill. I try not to be of the school of all evil except Jammeh's is good. That Dakar had tried to destabilised Jammeh's regime is not my fact but a generally known fact even confessed by a known coup plotter of dual Gambian and American citizenship in the person of Tamsir Jasseh to the American Embassy in the Gambia before publicly confessing to the Gambia people on national TV. If the evil that threatened the relationship of two countries is the making of both sides, why should one side be lauded while the other is scorned. The videos i have shared especially the second and third one labelled part 1 and 2 exposed one of the most dangerous characters in Sene-Gambia in the person of Colonel Malick Cisse. There are people of similar ilk in both governments who 'counsel' the two presidents. Men who are willing to destroy lives to serve their interests and agendas. At least the Senegalese people are coming to know the evil within as the Walf TV journalist did a brilliant job to exposed the evil they complot against the Senegalese people daily in this brilliant tête-à-tête. If only the Gambian press was equally free and near as vibrant.
This is at best a nice speculation Shaka. You have not based this on any concrete fact.
1. There is no evidence of a third party or courier between Kukoie and President Wade. Until facts emerge, it remains a wild speculation...
2. The source of this letter is the Daily Observer. No intelligence agency in the Gambia or Senegal claimed it is from them, even the Daily Observer who published the letter didn't say that. If the NIA were the interceptor of this letter as a result of an intelligence operation, why didn't the Daily Observer credit them as the source? |
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shaka
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Posted - 27 Nov 2009 : 16:10:21
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Kay you are rather dissapointing me as a law stundent with your naivity. Ofcourrse i am speculating outside the content of this letter but i am as well stating facts within its content. You asked how this letter could have possibly come to the possession of the Observer. I gave you possiblities within the facts of the letter as well as outside of it.
The facts of the letter clearly states that Koukoie could not have delivered this letter to Wade on a hand to hand basis because of a strain in relation and restricted access between the two, allegedly orchestrated by Colonel Cisse. Hence the only possibility of Wade receiving this letter is through a third party, a courier, as depicted from the following statement among others:
Honestly, I do not have to own up to a crime I have not committed. What happened was the work of the devil that separates man from the truth. Sincerity is always the hallmark of honest men and not traitors. Since our last meeting at State House with your former Prime Minister, Idrissa SECK, and Mr. Cheick Tijan Gadio, Minister of Foreign Affairs during which you requested that we work and cooperate hand in hand, I have had the misfortune of falling into the dirty hands of a swindler and traitor of the nation of Senegambia. This is none other than Cheick Malick Cisse who was playing the role of coordinator of our efforts. He intentionaly and criminally sabotaged our plan of action.
I was cut off from all contacts with you and I had neither the coordinates nor the means to contact your two collaborators whom you requested to work with me. For security reasons I could not make noise so that you would be aware of the difficult situation that Commandant Malick CISSE created just to prevent me from seeing you because he has betrayed you by sitting on the small amount of money you gave to ease my travels and contacts with other Gambian compatriots, for the preparation of a concrete programme of action to facilitate the agreed operation.
To answer your question i stated to you a courier might have double crossed Koukoie as just one of the possiblities of the Observer coming into possession of the letter among others. I was merely stating that the question of how the Observer was able to get this letter if indeed it is authentic is perhaps one of the easiest questions to answer in this episode.
Regarding the observer being the only source to have any contact with this letter you must be really naive to believe that they published this letter without authorisation from State House and the NIA. Like i told you before i am in no way authenticating this letter but i am simply giving you reasons to be open minded about it. I am neither discrediting it as fake nor am i authenticating it. I hope that is clear with you. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 30 Nov 2009 : 06:58:29
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| Thanks Shaka, I am pleased that you are not attempting to give some degree of authenticity to this letter. The letter remains unauthentic, and deserves the snub it is receiving everywhere. Thanks again for your time... |
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ylowe
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Posted - 30 Nov 2009 : 20:23:20
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| The Senegalaise opposition in banjul few weeks ago and a letter few weeks later.am I losing my mind? |
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Aku_pickin
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Posted - 01 Dec 2009 : 00:44:51
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Originally posted by ylowe
The Senegalaise opposition in banjul few weeks ago and a letter few weeks later.am I losing my mind?
Excellent point. |
Justice must be served as impunity brings more repression and corruption! |
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