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Janko
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 Posted - 10 Dec 2009 : 01:39:29
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Well, I hope you understand the issue better yourself, because I do, does that mean all is well and good, no, far from that. We still have miles ahead, but dialogue is the most effective instrument to a better understanding without it there is no way out.
One thing has became very certain during the course;
tribalism is the root of all forms of corruption. |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Dec 2009 : 16:21:20
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"tribalism is the root of all forms of corruption" - "HIBAATEH", ANY FORM OF DISCRIMINATION, "KAANA WOKEH!" & "JAMFA!".......are causes of failures!
More facts can be gathered from another interview under new Bantaba Gambia politics topic The Rise and Fall of NADD http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8489 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Feb 2010 : 11:47:07
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| You all know my views about politics and polititans,I will not dwell on that further.I have really tried to keep off this political maze that has been created by quoting figures about this and that,figures that come from where ? out of the sky probably, and as we all should know by now figures can be manupulated to show ANYTHING that you want.In order to move the Gambia towards a widely accepted model of government by elected political parties,can any politico here spell out for me (in simple terms of course !) the policies that they represent and stand for? Momodou has expressed the view that African Politics are not about policies but about personalities and individual power that that generates.This system if it exists in African Politics is not effective,Western Politics is unfair also and inhabitated by creatures that should be confined to a deep and dark place ,dispite that Western Politics have an appearence of having policies and fairness the "leaders" are also showmen who care very little for those who elected them after they are elected but take to lining their pockets with money taken from the people as taxes or money taken from industry as "donations" in order to make the party in power more friendly to the requirements of the industry that made the donation,could this be called corruption ? I think that it could, anybody disagree? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Feb 2010 : 14:11:05
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QUOTED from The Point Newspaper:
"Mr. Sallah's style of politics is different from that of his opponents. He focuses in enlightening the people so that they can make an enlightened and informed choice."
Peoples' Democratic Organisation for Independence & Socialism (PDOIS) is trying face any challenges; to achieve education, enlightenment and empowerment of the masses through its Foroyaa, leadership, civic and political activities.
The message captioned from Foroyaa;
"Know yourselves, know your country, and the world. Then you shall be the architect of your own destiny."
Halifa declared (as below) inter alia on this Foroyaa archive Burning Issues : Statement by Halifa Sallah under http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=151
"Two things were my fundamental concerns when I joined other colleagues to establish an opposition party 7 years before the July 1994 Coup detat, that is, the poverty of the people and the lack of awareness of their sovereign rights to determine their destiny."
"The issue of sovereignty under the new world order requires review. Foroyaa has been consistent in teaching that every nation has national Rights, that is, the right to sovereignty, territorial integrity, political Independence and Unity of its population. A Sovereign Nation should not be subjected to any domination by another nation. A sovereign People should not be subjected to any domination by another people. This is a fundamental principle of international Law."
P.D.O.I.S is very versatile on probity, public accountability, budget analysis and provision of alternative sound policies, resolutions and more prospective action plans; e.g from the above statement by Halifa.
P.D.O.I.S (through Foroyaa) have a good track record as a proactive party that debate, challenged or address both ruling party & other opposition parties on any important issues that represent national interests. Please refer ForoyaaEditorial : The Political Arena, The political Parties, the political Personalities and the Sovereign People under http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3731&keywords=Sovereignty+Gambia
Help yourself on variety of articles with Foroyaa Online - Education under http://www.foroyaa.gm/search.php?query=Sovereignty+Gambia&mid=2&action=showall&andor=AND
Courtesy of Kitabul Arerr "The UDP website is a joke!"
http://udpgambia.com/index.html
http://udpgambia.com/involved.html
http://udpgambia.com/manifesto.html
http://udpgambia.com/links.html
"Nothing to "open call[collar?] about.............................................................................lol!" Edited by - Kitabul Arerr on 04 Feb 2010 22:20:43 Bantaba Gambia politics topic A Rejoinder- The way forward under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8694
PDOIS' Agenda for Democracy and Development (ADD) under http://www.gambia.dk/downloads/PDOIS_Agenda_for_Democracy_and_Development_ADD.pdf
A UDP 2006 Party manifesto can be found under Bantaba archive; page 5 on topic Why NADD Broke Down post/Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 25 Feb 2007 13:13:47 under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3100&whichpage=5&SearchTerms=UDP,manifesto
NADD ELECTION MANIFESTO under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.aspTOPIC_ID=1769&SearchTerms=UDP,manifesto
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Feb 2010 : 14:42:13
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Thanks for the links Kobo,I am sorry to say that I found very little that impressed me anywhere,except under the UDP weblink where I read these words "Monday, February 15, 2010
Party Manifesto of Programs and Policies:
Coming Soon! "
Any hope anywhere?
Answers:
1)maybe
2)probably
3)No
4)you must be joking
5)Of course just look at our policies that we will implement if elected !
6)just put a cross against any name
7)You remember the party that I gave?
And so on Ad infinitum.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 15 Feb 2010 : 15:13:45
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Edited post to include UDP 2006 Party manifesto. Please refer back to gather more information Don't take this as a joke for its the sovereignty of a nation that is at stake and we have citizens that table proposals, policies and programmes to address them; as stakeholders
I RESPECT YOUR OPINION FOR NOT BEING IMPRESSED BYE ON ANY MOCKERY, COMEDY OR CHILDISH INSTINCTS FOR I THOUGHT I WANT YOU TO BROWSE ON INTERESTING LINKS FOR PROPER INFORMATION AND AWARENESS THE INFORMATION I ENDEAVOUR TO SHARE MAY NOT SERVE YOUR NEEDS AND NOT INTENDED TO IMPRESS YOU!
THANKS FOR BRIEF EXCHANGE. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Feb 2010 : 16:40:54
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Kobo, The soverignty of a nation is respected, the whole point of politics is to represent the people and make their lives better by your efforts if elected, I see little sign of any of that in the links posted I really think that if Gambians are to get the administration they deserve much greater effort should be exerted by those political parties who feel that they can achieve improvements,in eduction, medical facilities,sanitary services, river use, effective land use for agriculture and so an any of these links mention specific policies such as those? I couldn't find any.
Please direct me to any .AS you state this is not a joking matter and should be taken seriously by those involved,I question if they are taking policies seriously at the moment .
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 15 Feb 2010 : 19:34:08
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quote:
Originally posted by toubab1020
... Momodou has expressed the view that African Politics are not about policies but about personalities and individual power that that generates...
Toubab, I think you are quoting Janko above. It was him who made that comment. Nevertheless, I agree with him.  |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 15 Feb 2010 : 19:40:14
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Toubab I don't think you would expect to find those specifics under a manifesto or detailed action plans the way you want them to be? We understand that a manifesto is "a public declaration of intentions, opinions, objectives, or motives, as one issued by a government, sovereign, or organization."
Foroyaa focused continuously on the civic education of the citizen and to create awareness in all areas of statehood is considered a priority.
“Empowerment of the People Is Our Goal” FOROYAA Online - 1986-A PARTY OF A NEW TYPE ESTABLISHED, THE PDOIS - Focus on Politics - Newspaper under http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=387
More from Foroyaa Editorial : Citizens, Politics and Political Leaders under http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3569&keywords=Sovereignty+Gambia
The above link can give idea "in terms of (responsibility, the use or allocation of) resources and (who is) entitled to social services
Having acknowledge the fact that opposition parties are partners in development of the state; I can only refer you to the visions and missions! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 16 Feb 2010 : 11:50:56
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AM JUST INTERESTED ON THE POINT "THERE IS A PRIOR SUPREME COURT DECISION STATING THAT UDP/NRP WERE, AND REMAIN SUBSUMED IN NADD."
AS QUOTED: "Although Savage CJ was a partisan whose partiality blinded him regarding the limits of his legitimate legal authority, the part of the decision that stated that the UDP, and the NRP, are part of NADD should cause some concern. Notwithstanding that Savage CJ’s legal nicety on the relationship between UDP/NRP, and NADD, was overtaken by practical events in 2006, the legal nature of the relationship is an issue that requires further investigation. There is a prior Supreme Court decision stating that UDP/NRP were, and remain subsumed in NADD."
Courtesy of Senegambia news Supreme Court Overturns CJ Savage's 2008 Decision on UDP/NRP vs Gambia Govt. under http://www.senegambianews.com/article/Politics/Politics/Supreme_Court_Overturns_CJ_Savages_2008_Decision_on_UDPNRP_vs_Gambia_Govt/19054
UNDER NADD THERE WERE NO UDP, NRP, PDOIS, NDAM, PPP BUT WAS A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY TO MOBILISED & EXECUTE STGDP'S UNITED NATIONAL FRONT & COALITION OF ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES TO RALLY UNDER ONE UMBRELLA FOR TACTICAL & STRATEGIC CHALLENGE INORDER TO DEPOSED APRC & JAMMEH FROM POWER FOR 2006.
NADD'S CAUSE WAS A NATIONAL CAUSE & NADD'S BREAKDOWN IS CAUSING MORE HARDSHIP & DANGEROUS PRECEDENTS FOR THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND! |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 16 Feb 2010 : 12:57:42
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OK Momodou, apologies, there has been so much written on this that I get confused,it was from memory only,but as you agree, no harm done.
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Originally posted by Momodou
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Originally posted by toubab1020
... Momodou has expressed the view that African Politics are not about policies but about personalities and individual power that that generates...
Toubab, I think you are quoting Janko above. It was him who made that comment. Nevertheless, I agree with him.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 16 Feb 2010 : 14:23:45
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Kobo,I would expect to find exactly those specifics in a manafesto of ANY party that I was considering voting for,such etherial misty terms such as "Foroyaa focused continuously on the civic education of the citizen and to create awareness in all areas of statehood is considered a priority. " words for the sake of words, policies I can see no evidence of any policies being developed here,talk,and more talk, talk about what?, things that matter to the normal Gambian? not at all, but concepts that he or she has very little interest in at a ground floor level,what they want to know is how can they send their children to school if the harvest is late or the rains don't come on time what help can they expect ?, the price of cement is too high and I cannot repair my house before the rains come,will anyone help me to get a small loan ?. I cannot get a job in a Government department because "I am from the wrong tribe" what can you do for me?. These sorts of things are the things that NORMAL (i.e. non politicians) Gambians would want to know from any party that they would consider voting for.
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Originally posted by kobo
Toubab I don't think you would expect to find those specifics under a manifesto or detailed action plans the way you want them to be? We understand that a manifesto is "a public declaration of intentions, opinions, objectives, or motives, as one issued by a government, sovereign, or organization."
Foroyaa focused continuously on the civic education of the citizen and to create awareness in all areas of statehood is considered a priority.
“Empowerment of the People Is Our Goal” FOROYAA Online - 1986-A PARTY OF A NEW TYPE ESTABLISHED, THE PDOIS - Focus on Politics - Newspaper under http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=387
More from Foroyaa Editorial : Citizens, Politics and Political Leaders under http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3569&keywords=Sovereignty+Gambia
The above link can give idea "in terms of (responsibility, the use or allocation of) resources and (who is) entitled to social services
Having acknowledge the fact that opposition parties are partners in development of the state; I can only refer you to the visions and missions!
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 16 Feb 2010 : 15:30:53
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| Kobo,thanks for your links to the various political entities that exist in The Gambia I hesitate to call them parties ,it appears that we cannot continue our discussion because I wanted to discuss something that your entities fail to recognise as existing,that is policies in politics. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Feb 2010 : 15:43:46
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quote:
Originally posted by toubab1020
Kobo,I would expect to find exactly those specifics in a manafesto of ANY party that I was considering voting for,such etherial misty terms such as "Foroyaa focused continuously on the civic education of the citizen and to create awareness in all areas of statehood is considered a priority. " words for the sake of words, policies I can see no evidence of any policies being developed here,talk,and more talk, talk about what?, things that matter to the normal Gambian? not at all, but concepts that he or she has very little interest in at a ground floor level,what they want to know is how can they send their children to school if the harvest is late or the rains don't come on time what help can they expect ?, the price of cement is too high and I cannot repair my house before the rains come,will anyone help me to get a small loan ?. I cannot get a job in a Government department because "I am from the wrong tribe" what can you do for me?. These sorts of things are the things that NORMAL (i.e. non politicians) Gambians would want to know from any party that they would consider voting for.
When the right leaders are elected, with collective hard work, the right democratic institutions (including civic, community centres & citizens bureau), ideal laws, policies and programmes are clearly defined from the broad agendas & visions, there is civic awareness, education & proper dissemination of information; the results would translate to development, prosperity, peace & stability for the nation (for its citizens albiet many personal problems that you referred cannot be addressed on individual basis by the state.) The forgoing is the politics & challenges on this Foroyaa editorial (organ of PDOIS)
: The Political Arena, The political Parties, the political Personalities and the Sovereign Peopleunder http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3731&keywords=Sovereignty+Gambia
There are other areas of concern (e.g "tribalism and any form of discrimination) covered or can be streamlined by PDOIS' Agenda for Democracy and Development (ADD) under http://www.gambia.dk/downloads/PDOIS_Agenda_for_Democracy_and_Development_ADD.pdf
Foroyaa Editorial : THE PRESIDENT IS ELECTED TO HEAL AN AILING GROUNDNUT TRADE (addressed "harvest, trade season & plight of farmers") under http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4492
The visions, policies and programmes are there and Foroyaa is keeping abreast in politics all facets of development, pubic accountability, transparency, good governance, social services, local community & the citizens!
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Edited by - kobo on 16 Feb 2010 18:47:09 |
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