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Moe
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 Posted - 04 Sep 2009 : 06:13:10
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"Yow damala ragal",The Satala is all your's for now ,will reply to the valid points you raised later........................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by shaka
Moe can you pass some Chonkom around in the mean time. I need to break my fasting.quote:
Originally posted by Moe
It will be eaten alive later today Janko,kinda busy right now.............................................Peace
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2009 : 16:11:38
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With all this mining mining tafal tafal the fact remains that Darboe commands the largest opposition party. If the intent is to sideline Darboe and replace him with some one else it has to be done in a respectful and in and open manner.
Sekou Touray was wrong when he thought Africans will put national allegiance above tribal allegiance.
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God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 04 Sep 2009 : 19:06:58
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Tarangba; no "tafal tafal" at all
The danger is projecting history on our everyday life, here and now; 2009. That is not denying the fact that history is part of what we are. But when history becomes a factor that explains or legitimizes the here and now; there shall be no progress.
“Sekou Touray was wrong when he thought Africans will put national allegiance above tribal allegiance.”
Sekou had a vision and a very good one as well; the question is, do we stand by and point fingers to it as a failure or do we work hard to achieve it. Sekou did invest in achieving that vision and thanks to his “Culture Revolution” perspective African art has triumph over the world. I do not think we should stop there but rather try to find ways that defines us as one nation and one people. Gambianism is the national platform where a Gambian is defined by merit and not by tribe.
Mr. Darboe being the leader of the biggest opposition party, as you rightly said, makes him an interesting persona in Gambian politics not his tribe or class. So, questioning, scrutinising and expanding Mr. Darboes statements is critiquing a leader on a national platform with the intention to get the best out of any aspirant to the highest position in Gambia.
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shaka
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Posted - 06 Sep 2009 : 23:50:12
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| Well said Janko. Let's scrutinise. I wonder what happened to the scrutinisers. They have gone AWOL all of a sudden. Tribalism? As if Terangba would know the meaning of the word. |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2009 : 08:23:51
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Leave the Awol guys alone you have a satala full of the best stuff from all worlds , It was a pleasue .............................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by shaka
Well said Janko. Let's scrutinise. I wonder what happened to the scrutinisers. They have gone AWOL all of a sudden. Tribalism? As if Terangba would know the meaning of the word.
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2009 : 12:45:15
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| You traitor, you have given me a empty satala and there is no genie in it to call upon to fill it either. What have you done to the bloody thing. The AWOL guys? The Sheikh will be here another hundred years. |
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2009 : 13:55:00
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I know one thing for sure APRC cannot be beaten at the ballot box unless and until the opposition figures out a way to unite, pick a leader and run under one umbrella. Now the 1 Million question is how do you pick a leader in an African setting when everyone wants to he in charge, what are your suggestions/ The objective of participating in this forum should not be to fight and insult each order, it should be formulating ideas. What are your suggestions? UDP is a dominant party, by virture of its size all other parties have to work with or through UDP to acheive meaningful results.
There is an old saying that goes like this (please feel free to correct me) you do not tell a grown man to get up from his chair so that you can sit, the respectful way is to ask the elder to move a tad bit (locally we say balal man nya puss man toog) The approach used last time will not work and APRC is thriving on the lack of unity and leadership.
I have written my thesis on tribalism and its impact on progress in African; I have learnt and come to believe deep down in me that the quickest way to advance is to allow the best and the brightest to lead. Hire and Promote people because of their skills and abilities and not regional, tribal affiliation.
LET US NOT FIGHT THE BATTLES THAT OUR FATHERS FOUGHT (Read Gambia’s political history and you will know what am talking about)
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2009 : 14:15:57
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| Shaka I will look in my records and locate my thesis. I came up during the floppy dive era so it will take some digging. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 09 Sep 2009 : 22:55:56
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Good questions, Terangba …
Let’s say the political field of play is level and the most important is replacing the government.
There is no need to register a new so called umbrella party to legitimise the partnership or collusion rather all parties should maintain their independence but find a way to synchronise efforts, joint campaigns and harmonised strategies.
The most important question now is to find a form of partnership between the parties? It is not wise to start with a discursion about leadership; that is climbing the tree from the top.
Trees are climbed from the bottom. So, to start at the very beginning is to formulate the form of collusion; a common goal, a joint alternative budget proposition, jointly locate and agree on key development areas. These are important tools that would give a concrete alternative to the electorate and a solid ground for the collusion to stand on.
The question remains; Is replacing the government the most important?
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Edited by - Janko on 09 Sep 2009 22:59:16 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2009 : 23:47:26
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"Election is a formality" - President Jammeh
Janko, help me to understand that. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 10 Sep 2009 : 02:38:32
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“"Election is a formality" - President Jammeh”
Thanks, Karamba for entrusting me with the impossible task of explaining the above statement.
Let’s assume that the political field of play is level, with flag waving linesmen, whistle blowing referees and other judges to set the record straight in case the referee or linesmen oversee or make mistakes.
First, I have to admit that the explanation am about to give is not absolute but speculative. Why? Because I do not know the context in which it was articulated. In my speculation I take for granted that it is in relation to what I said in my last post pertaining to the political situation in Gambia and particularly the condition of the opposition and how the question of partnership or collusion could be shaped.
Election is a formality if there is no alternative to the sitting government. Then the electorates just go to the polling station without a reasom for contemplation or sit at home hence there is nothing new that gives them the hope of change or at least engage their reason. Why is there no alternative?
Because there are no concrete plans that I have heard of from the opposition apart from the expression of the desire to change. I have not read any alternative, budget proposition, development plans or strategies of mobilizing the electorate towards that end, as yet. I am ready to reevaluate my position if new developments come to my knowledge tomorrow.
Secondly, election is a formality when only 10% of the electorate knows what is being said by their politicians/representatives and 90% are clueless about the political agendas of respective parties. Election is a formality when only 10% of the population can contest in elections whiles 90% is exempted because they can not read and write English. It is a formality if the representatives only meet the electorate every 4 -5 years when its time to renew their mandate.
Is changing the government the highest priority in Gambia today or do we need to correct the structural discrepancies that are a hinder to accountability and other freedoms.
As I said, this is a speculation but please share you perspective.
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terangba
Egypt
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Posted - 10 Sep 2009 : 05:00:53
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| APRC is enjoying absolute power becuase there is no crediable alternative. No one wants to hear that. |
God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2009 : 05:15:45
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Shaka here is the intro to my thesis; hope others can learn a thing or two from this or debunk it.
The experience of growing up in a third world country, where luxuries such as running water and electricity were non existent, and walking over five miles to the nearest school was a daily task, has served as a catalyst to pursue my higher educational goals.
I would like to focus my research on the impact of tribalism and how it has impeded development in Africa.
After the Berlin Conference in 1886, the Continent of Africa was divided into countries without any regard to tribal lines. This division forced people who had lived for centuries without any interaction with each other to coexist. It is my belief that most, if not all conflicts and social problems can be linked to tribalism. Tribalism is an ethnic based political system which is rooted in the bankrupt idea that the goal of politics and government is to funnel as much of the pie as possible to one’s family, tribe, or circle with little or no regard for the public good.
Tribalism impedes innovation, fractures the fabric of society; and causes people to rely on patronage and paybacks as a means of advancing. Instead of unifying the county to move forward on solving problems, it divides neighbors from neighbors. Poor policies such as tribalism in Africa has caused development to first stagnate and then decline over the past decades. In 1960, South Korea was as poor as most African countries, but forty years later, it is rich enough to offer aid to Africa. Most Southeast Asian countries have made tremendous progress and have joined the industrialized countries of the world, while most African countries rely on foreign aid as a source for development. Critics say that foreign aid to Africa must be changed for a number of reasons, but mainly because it has not helped to alleviate poverty. In addition, few aid initiatives are really well thought out and most of the money intended for projects rarely reach the intended target groups. A study found that in Uganda less than 30 per cent of aid earmarked for primary school education actually reached the schools. The missing money is usually stolen, wasted or re-apportioned to other priorities identified by politicians or middle level and senior government officials.
I would like to specifically focus my research on developing an XXXXX that can be tailored to break the cycle of tribalism. Upon completion of my research I would like to devise a XXXXX that will ensure that people are hired and promoted by merit and not tribal connection. This XXXXXX will ensure that the best and brightest can lead Africa in the right direction.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 10 Sep 2009 : 08:18:11
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Terangba, there is no doubt tribalism is a factor in Africa's political and economic stagnation. However, tribalism alone is not sufficient to explain the continent's current predicament. I think, with the exception of a few countries, African tribes have co-existed successfully in peace.
I am concerned that there may be factors that appear to be tribalist when in fact they are purely or substantially political
Unless you incorporate the concept of tribalism as suggested by Benjamin Barber in his work "Jihad versus McWorld", the broad topic you are embarking on will not be adequately substantiated by the singular narrow tribalist approach... |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2009 : 11:31:50
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quote:
Originally posted by terangba
APRC is enjoying absolute power becuase there is no crediable alternative. No one wants to hear that.
Not that simple, but a good question.
To oppose is not the question but to effectively manage the opposition is the answer.
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